... im glad I only buy non-subscription games like Warcraft III and Neverwinter Nights. Nevewinter may not be a MMORPG, but it can actually serve to that purpose with several connected servers.
Have fun in shadowbane world:) It was a great concept... but I guess it still has alot to go yet..
The USA would never have made it has far as to the moon without political reasons (the cold war). Competition was allways good for the space program.
A waste of money? I see it as a way of being less dependent. And should the GPS fail or come under the control of maniacs, its nice to have an alternative.
A waste of money? The ESA is one of the most efficient space agencies in the world. I personally know people working there: everything they do is expected to yeild returns under a tight budjet. Every probe mission features prototype tecnologies from private companies. Even Arianne-space is a private company under contract by the ESA. They are not NASA's white elephant with fortunes to waste in public relations. So stop fooling yourself or drinking pro-bush imperialistic propaganda.
Cooperating? Who's the ones with a multilaterist approach to the world, in a true alliance of nations, unparalleled everywhere? Cooperating doesnt mean "bending over", and friends and allies arent the same as "vassals".
Those Americans may have saved democracy in europe, but that was hardly selfless: they knew they would be the next ones on the line, so better use europe as a war scenario than US eastern shores. Furthermore, if I recall well, they gained their independence with french aid.
P.S. Were on our way to the moon and mars. Check the Aurora program in the ESA site. Regardless of the americans deciding ever to place a foot on mars: we are going to do it. Mark my words.
You should learn from europe. We had our own internal "terrorist groups" to deal with, but we never stoped being a somewhat carefree society, oposed to the current state of North-American paranoia. Try visiting europe *preferably with a Canadian passport right now*, and you can feel the lack of fear in the air, other than the concern about the current US administration. We dont give more importance to any "terrorist" than we would give to "organized crime" and "serial killers". The difference is pretty moot.
Your seing the things from the wrong angle. It isnt the P2P developers that need to develop means for accountability and ways to track down illegitime users. They shall allways exist, and they will allways adapt. The best way for a game/software developer to make a profit from a game/product that can be spread easily over the web, is basing it on the web itself.
Take Neverwinter Nights, Half-Life and Warcraft III for instance. They are quite desirable products and they are highly pirated over P2P. Yet, there are a quite great deal of costumers, including people that copyed the game and then rushed to buy it. Why? Due to a certain ammount of little features:
1)The existance of a set of product IDs stored in the companies vaults, used to identify each copy-owner when he joins the community. Keygens are can be used to unlock local passwords but in order to obtain a key to play freely on the company servers and access the main game router one must either buy it, or steal it by more physical/direct means.
2)An embebed utility to make updates painless and effortless.
3)The game quality, wich alone is good enough to create a vast ammount of loyal fans that will buy the game by the simple fact that it deserves it.
The lesson is... while there might be a great deal of piracy when it comes to single player or local networks games, the great majority of these games most cool feature stays true: the ability to shape and join the community through embebed tools. Want to protect a product from the influence of the web? Make it web-based itself, being the single-player aspect more like a tutorial before jumping for greater things;)
Actually, when watching the trailer I started thinking weather or not the messages on it would be used for political propaganda. Just watch it and replace:
Bush for Gandalf Blair for Aragorn The riders of rohan for the United Nations Bin Laden for Saruman The King of Rohan for the EU Sauron for Saddam
The irony of this is that while prejudicing industry/the current flawed economy model, piracy and P2P in some cases are helping progress by making information available that wouldnt be.
ah, but you seem to forget the concepts known as "profit" and "market laws". Information your tax dollars payed and placed available to the public is considerably cheaper than those you have to pay for.
Namely, what is required to operate a site such as that? To pay the people, the hardware and the connection costs. "Private" profit-seeking sites will "give" you the information under packages, books, CD's or even eBooks you have to pay, and youll pay for all that your tax dollars payed, wich in this case were stuff that beneficted everyone *since america right now is moving towards the land of big brother and ignorance*, plus the profit theill make, the cost of materials, the copyrights and one hundred other excuses that will make the total monetary value of information increase 1000 times. In the end, information that everyone was able to check and learn from will only be available to the rich and to the corporations that can afford it.
Words like "progress", "education", and "information" thus will have 3 new meanings:
Progress: The ammount of fortune a corporation has, and the quantity of trinkets they are able to provide to squeze any money out of the costumers.
Education: A bit of political propaganda, plus some tidibits of mostly useless or dated info to give the people an illusion of knowledge
Information: Anything the media can make you swallow, usefull or not, true or false.
Thats cause your not in Portugal, where people droll over locomotion, a channel that playes here, in brazil and spain with loads of Anime, not counting with every single national channels. Portugal youth is crazy about anime:p Spain had hentai freaks and anime fans even before we did. Not counting with france, wich even translates a good deal of original comics *want the comics of sailormoon, dragonball, and almost everything you can imagine? get it from france.*
UK isnt EUrope *it was suposed to be part of it*, and by the current political affairs, its in danger of becomming more of an American probe preventing Europe from gaining ascension, than a true ally.
How long for a new iron curtain betwen USA and the rest of the world?:) Are we about to see a major North American firewall alike China in the forge? The question in everyones mind is: how far can the current administration in the USA can go?
Oh yes, I do buy albums too if I like them. Yet, im aware that most of the money doesnt go to the authors of songs/books and even software. They get stollen and abused like hell and end up owing those companies more than they gain more frequently. Most makes money out of live concerts and other events alike.
And yes, I agree that one gives out much more than resources in creating something and should be entitled to a compensation wich should be limited in time to like 10-20 years depending on the media. And that compensation should revert directly and significatively to the creators involved. Yet copyright, patents and other laws are way out of order as they are now.
As for simple recognition, one other term popular today is "copyleft", to designate licenses taking the shape of GPL for instance.
Also, regarding this topic, heres a mail someone once sent me:
"Please, do not call it "Intelectual Property".
When you call it intellectual property, you remove so much of the issue...
Grok that the term "intellectual property" was used first by specialized lawyers and other highly knowledgeable people who understand that the term actually means:
Copyrights Patents Trademarks Trade Secrets
And these experts understand that each of those issues is quite unique. The origins and methods of copyright law do not intesect with trademark law, etc. Their justfification is quite different, and thier design is different (at least in the US and Europe). When you say it as one, you imply that there is a unifying idea they all belong under. This is not true, and skews the argument. And the direction is skews the argument is in the second term "property". This is a term which is very bad to use and here's why:
If you look at the copyright and patent laws in the US, they talk about the idea that the work, all work, is part of the public commons. The government is granting a temporary, limited monopoly over that work for a specified period of time. The work has no "owner", rather an author or inventor. The owner is the public, and the government is granting a temporary monopoly over the use. When you realize this, you realize how
malliable those conditions can be, why we have them, and how we can manipulate them to fit the public better.
But using the term property makes people think it's like real property and they feel that they must defend thier property and that anyone who is
copying or using thier work is "stealing", going along with the property analogy when there is no actual theft involved.
So please don't use the term intellectual property, use the appropriate term in the appopriate circumstance (copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret).
Thanks, Forest"
And in another mail:
"This model of creator-consumer is IMHO a remnant of the "printing press" model, that creators and consumers are somehow different and that the rights of one usurp the other, as I will demonstrate below. You assume that when a work is public, then you cannot in any way derive recenue from the effort. This is simply untrue. A concertgoer pays money to see a musician based on either past performance or hearing a previous work.
Work done by a person at a company who then GPLs the program is still paid for thier work, for thier hours of labor, rather than the actual
product. Almost noone gets paid for thier product, rather they get a salary, as are people developing Free Software (or Free Documentation,
etc.) in places like a university.
The issue which I wish Joe would deal more directly with is that the real exploitation is already happening to him, from his publishers, not the public.
There's motivation for the publishers to make the authors think they're under attack from the public- it keeps them from seeing the real
exploitation.
Law abiding groups may see value in
the laws being different and seek to remove the restrictions governemnt has placed on the usefulness of the work.
The "authors need to eat" is a scare tactic. The reality is that smart people will always find a way to make a living if they are physically able and are willing to work."
Sure, lets make a company whose purpose is to kill RIAA and bring the copyrights back to their original moto.
After all, copyrights used to be a way for government to grant a temporary monopoly to authors, as a reward before issuing stuff into public domain. And copyright used to last like 10 years, before companies started to press for longer and longer time limits..
Intelectual property is a modern concept, invented by greedy bastards that ignore that ideas belongs to everyone.
Slashdot Mirror
Site says: Bandwidth limit exceded
Setting up a permanent moon colony would be a feat.
Did the world stoped while I wasnt looking? How many days since the last slashdot news? Thats odd..
Some of you seem to forget that targets need not to make use of that right all the time.
You still have quality papers :p Im portuguese and read the Guardian daily.
... im glad I only buy non-subscription games like Warcraft III and Neverwinter Nights. Nevewinter may not be a MMORPG, but it can actually serve to that purpose with several connected servers.
:) It was a great concept... but I guess it still has alot to go yet..
Have fun in shadowbane world
Why dont you guys rename it "Freedom Linux"? After all Mandrakesoft is french, isnt it?
*sorry, felt like flaming a bit*
Heres from another Portuguese:
The USA would never have made it has far as to the moon without political reasons (the cold war). Competition was allways good for the space program.
A waste of money? I see it as a way of being less dependent. And should the GPS fail or come under the control of maniacs, its nice to have an alternative.
A waste of money? The ESA is one of the most efficient space agencies in the world. I personally know people working there: everything they do is expected to yeild returns under a tight budjet. Every probe mission features prototype tecnologies from private companies. Even Arianne-space is a private company under contract by the ESA. They are not NASA's white elephant with fortunes to waste in public relations. So stop fooling yourself or drinking pro-bush imperialistic propaganda.
Cooperating? Who's the ones with a multilaterist approach to the world, in a true alliance of nations, unparalleled everywhere? Cooperating doesnt mean "bending over", and friends and allies arent the same as "vassals".
Those Americans may have saved democracy in europe, but that was hardly selfless: they knew they would be the next ones on the line, so better use europe as a war scenario than US eastern shores. Furthermore, if I recall well, they gained their independence with french aid.
P.S. Were on our way to the moon and mars. Check the Aurora program in the ESA site. Regardless of the americans deciding ever to place a foot on mars: we are going to do it. Mark my words.
Thats all
You should learn from europe. We had our own internal "terrorist groups" to deal with, but we never stoped being a somewhat carefree society, oposed to the current state of North-American paranoia. Try visiting europe *preferably with a Canadian passport right now*, and you can feel the lack of fear in the air, other than the concern about the current US administration. We dont give more importance to any "terrorist" than we would give to "organized crime" and "serial killers".
The difference is pretty moot.
Your seing the things from the wrong angle. It isnt the P2P developers that need to develop means for accountability and ways to track down illegitime users. They shall allways exist, and they will allways adapt. The best way for a game/software developer to make a profit from a game/product that can be spread easily over the web, is basing it on the web itself.
;)
Take Neverwinter Nights, Half-Life and Warcraft III for instance. They are quite desirable products and they are highly pirated over P2P. Yet, there are a quite great deal of costumers, including people that copyed the game and then rushed to buy it.
Why? Due to a certain ammount of little features:
1)The existance of a set of product IDs stored in the companies vaults, used to identify each copy-owner when he joins the community. Keygens are can be used to unlock local passwords but in order to obtain a key to play freely on the company servers and access the main game router one must either buy it, or steal it by more physical/direct means.
2)An embebed utility to make updates painless and effortless.
3)The game quality, wich alone is good enough to create a vast ammount of loyal fans that will buy the game by the simple fact that it deserves it.
The lesson is... while there might be a great deal of piracy when it comes to single player or local networks games, the great majority of these games most cool feature stays true: the ability to shape and join the community through embebed tools. Want to protect a product from the influence of the web? Make it web-based itself, being the single-player aspect more like a tutorial before jumping for greater things
Actually, when watching the trailer I started thinking weather or not the messages on it would be used for political propaganda. Just watch it and replace:
:p
Bush for Gandalf
Blair for Aragorn
The riders of rohan for the United Nations
Bin Laden for Saruman
The King of Rohan for the EU
Sauron for Saddam
Its puzzling about how much sense it makes
as simple as that. i use windows mostly as a gaming platform.
The irony of this is that while prejudicing industry/the current flawed economy model, piracy and P2P in some cases are helping progress by making information available that wouldnt be.
ah, but you seem to forget the concepts known as "profit" and "market laws". Information your tax dollars payed and placed available to the public is considerably cheaper than those you have to pay for.
Namely, what is required to operate a site such as that? To pay the people, the hardware and the connection costs.
"Private" profit-seeking sites will "give" you the information under packages, books, CD's or even eBooks you have to pay, and youll pay for all that your tax dollars payed, wich in this case were stuff that beneficted everyone *since america right now is moving towards the land of big brother and ignorance*, plus the profit theill make, the cost of materials, the copyrights and one hundred other excuses that will make the total monetary value of information increase 1000 times. In the end, information that everyone was able to check and learn from will only be available to the rich and to the corporations that can afford it.
Words like "progress", "education", and "information" thus will have 3 new meanings:
Progress: The ammount of fortune a corporation has, and the quantity of trinkets they are able to provide to squeze any money out of the costumers.
Education: A bit of political propaganda, plus some tidibits of mostly useless or dated info to give the people an illusion of knowledge
Information: Anything the media can make you swallow, usefull or not, true or false.
Thats cause your not in Portugal, where people droll over locomotion, a channel that playes here, in brazil and spain with loads of Anime, not counting with every single national channels. :p Spain had hentai freaks and anime fans even before we did. Not counting with france, wich even translates a good deal of original comics *want the comics of sailormoon, dragonball, and almost everything you can imagine? get it from france.*
Portugal youth is crazy about anime
UK isnt EUrope *it was suposed to be part of it*, and by the current political affairs, its in danger of becomming more of an American probe preventing Europe from gaining ascension, than a true ally.
P.S.... How long will it take to see Gildot be considered "too sensitive"...
How long for a new iron curtain betwen USA and the rest of the world? :) Are we about to see a major North American firewall alike China in the forge? The question in everyones mind is: how far can the current administration in the USA can go?
P.S: War on Terrorism? Nah.. I smell oil
It worked. RIAA bought the judge.
And yes, I agree that one gives out much more than resources in creating something and should be entitled to a compensation wich should be limited in time to like 10-20 years depending on the media. And that compensation should revert directly and significatively to the creators involved. Yet copyright, patents and other laws are way out of order as they are now.
As for simple recognition, one other term popular today is "copyleft", to designate licenses taking the shape of GPL for instance.
Also, regarding this topic, heres a mail someone once sent me:
"Please, do not call it "Intelectual Property". When you call it intellectual property, you remove so much of the issue...
Grok that the term "intellectual property" was used first by specialized lawyers and other highly knowledgeable people who understand that the term actually means:
Copyrights
Patents
Trademarks
Trade Secrets
And these experts understand that each of those issues is quite unique.
The origins and methods of copyright law do not intesect with trademark law, etc.
Their justfification is quite different, and thier design is different (at least in the US and Europe).
When you say it as one, you imply that there is a unifying idea they all belong under. This is not true, and skews the argument.
And the direction is skews the argument is in the second term "property". This is a term which is very bad to use and here's why:
If you look at the copyright and patent laws in the US, they talk about the idea that the work, all work, is part of the public commons. The government is granting a temporary, limited monopoly over that work for a specified period of time. The work has no "owner", rather an author or inventor. The owner is the public, and the government is granting a temporary monopoly over the use. When you realize this, you realize how malliable those conditions can be, why we have them, and how we can manipulate them to fit the public better.
But using the term property makes people think it's like real property and they feel that they must defend thier property and that anyone who is copying or using thier work is "stealing", going along with the property analogy when there is no actual theft involved.
So please don't use the term intellectual property, use the appropriate term in the appopriate circumstance (copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret).
Thanks, Forest"
And in another mail:
"This model of creator-consumer is IMHO a remnant of the "printing press" model, that creators and consumers are somehow different and that the rights of one usurp the other, as I will demonstrate below.
You assume that when a work is public, then you cannot in any way derive recenue from the effort. This is simply untrue. A concertgoer pays money to see a musician based on either past performance or hearing a previous work.
Work done by a person at a company who then GPLs the program is still paid for thier work, for thier hours of labor, rather than the actual product. Almost noone gets paid for thier product, rather they get a salary, as are people developing Free Software (or Free Documentation, etc.) in places like a university.
The issue which I wish Joe would deal more directly with is that the real exploitation is already happening to him, from his publishers, not the public.
There's motivation for the publishers to make the authors think they're under attack from the public- it keeps them from seeing the real exploitation.
Law abiding groups may see value in the laws being different and seek to remove the restrictions governemnt has placed on the usefulness of the work.
The "authors need to eat" is a scare tactic. The reality is that smart people will always find a way to make a living if they are physically able and are willing to work."
After all, copyrights used to be a way for government to grant a temporary monopoly to authors, as a reward before issuing stuff into public domain. And copyright used to last like 10 years, before companies started to press for longer and longer time limits..
Intelectual property is a modern concept, invented by greedy bastards that ignore that ideas belongs to everyone.
Actually, P2P is also diminuitive to "Pay to Play", as in related Massive Multiplayer Online Games
eheheh.. I posted about it some moments ago :p looks like someone got first. The goodbye drawing is pretty neat
Cant you understand sarcasm/puns when you see it? He was purposely spelling it that way I bet
What kind of democracy is that where theres only two alternatives?