I really do doubt both of your percentages, using nothing but my common sense, especially the gun figure. I know several people that own more than one gun, and by your reasoning both of them have killed people multiple time with multiple guns, this obviously is not true.
With p2p I would say it depends completely on what network your participating in. I've been in several p2p enviroments (at work, school, and in my free time) that do not cater in illegal stuff, and then I've been on Kazaa, ye ol' Napster, winMX, etc... It depends.
Same with guns, if I buy a little 9mm, I have a higher chance of wanting to use it to pop a cap, than if I buy myself a nice 30-30 hunting rifle,which I'm probably going to use to hunt with. I think if they are after pirates they should target what is developed FOR piracy, and not the blanket technology, same with guns.
This isn't really true. While I'll freely admit to piracy(with some ethical caveats to make myself feel better), I will not conceed the P2P is made exclusivly for piracy. Sure, Kazaa and such ARE, but things like kazaa are not the only p2p networks out there. At my uni I use Direct Connect alot, and mostly for trading class files, and docs, that and me and a couple friends do some movie production and shuttle the projects around on DC, and we trade pictures alot.
Just because most p2p is used for kiddies to download the newest Britany Spears mp3s, doesn't mean that ALL p2p is used for the same. In actuality there are many legal uses for p2p. I think we all would be lying to ourselves though if we claimed that Kazaa was not designed for, and used mostly for, piracy.
Then you have people like my old comm professor who, for my Argumentation class, hooked his laptop to the projector and played the oscar screener for us (A couple months before release), he told us that anyone who reported him to the school would fail the class. I think we got to deconstruct 3 pirated movies in that class.
(not that our ITS department would care, they already told the head of our local P2P that they hate the **AA's, and wouldn't report it)
For the first in history,/. is useful! I was wondering why my box was acting silly, open/., get and error message that an error in lsass.exe will shutdown my computer, and loe, the headline is my problems.... vava la/.!
Actually I doubt that any of that will be mapped, figured out, or most importantly meshed together. The human mind in not just a collection subroutines, it is a collection of subroutines processed through a (drum roll) "emergent byproduct of highly complex strange loops". This means that there is a highly complex self-manipulating symbol system with a deep feedback component, leading to an error message that is conciousness.
I'd recomend that you read some of the works of the brilliant philsopher Daniel Dennet, or the works of Douglas Hofstadter (I'd recommend 'The Minds "I"', by both, or 'Godel, Escher, Bach', by Hofstadter, both are very insightful.)
I'm sure you can fully understand any one of these tools individually, but fitting them into a gestalt is impossible. To understand the human mind you would have to transcend it, which is impossible.
Simple ethics, human empathy. Empathy is an evolved response to keep human societies cohesive, especially true when one human is dealing with another, face to face. I think at the basic level this is it.
WinRar Firefox WinAmp (actually iTunes now) Openoffice.com TweakXP Cacheman Spybot a registry cleaner and finally some game
I had them all backed up and compressed on some backwoods compressed partition on my second HD, alonng will all my documents, patches, and other install as needed progies. The main step is UNINSTALLING all of XPs crap, meaning many trips to safe mode.
Now I just hope I can cool my beer in my engine. Every evening after my commute I would let out a cry "Thank god for cold fusion", and crack a nice cold one.
To pick nits, the real true God created Sophia (wisdom), Sophia created the Demiurge, known as YHVH, who in turn created the universe, then The Demiurge created Archons, which we call angels, to carry out his ill will. But in each person exists a bit of the True Gods Light, and this is our only hope to escape from prison. The Apple for Adam was our first chance for escape (hence knowledge of good and evil), and the Christ our second. According to them. The Demiurge is not evil, just too big for his britches, his universe is a lie, and hence evil.
The term "Gnosticism" means wisdom, personally attained revelation with the Godhead. Only through revelation can we escape the cruel cycle or existance (yes, the Christian Gnostics had a vague form of reincarnation).
Gnosticism outdates Christianity buy a thousands years or so, and some scholars think it is evolved from ancient Egypt. The Zoroastrian and Mithric influence are really too heavy for it to be a pure early Christian invention. Also it fairly wreaks of bastardized Platonism.
Sorry, everyone is a geek in their own little way.
Yay! My old high school. I wonder what exactly is going down, the article in the AZ Republic(an) is just as dumb as the FA. I remember ditching class to help install the modern network, replacing the old AT&T 8088s they had set up, with high tech herc video, and no network to speak of. Piracy was me distributing an old monocrome DOS version of Galaga to play during keyboarding. (Sadly, they used these old boxes up to 1995)
That new network was so full of holes it was funny.
Actually, your wrong. Your making some sweeping general statement, just because the poster does not support the RIAA does not mean that he does not support all of your examples, over even that they are valid.
Sure, there are certain software companies I will not give money to, and would pirate if I had the need. Price bloating is abhorrant, and should not be supported. Thankfully most the these overly expensive programs have open source alternatives, which I support with use, word of mouth, and money.
I still go to theaters, I still watch movies, I still buy DVDs. The only movies I would ever think of pirating are older flicks, which I have never seen, in order to see if I would buy the DVD. And then of course I don't support the compainies, since I prefer a good used bookstore over blockbuster or suncoast. But the movie industry still gets my money, but only for a higher quality product.
I see my favorite bands whenever they are within 200 miles of my house. If I found them morally repugnant they would not be my favorite band, and thus would not support them. (Hence no Metallica concerts for me, no M.J., rap idiots)
I pirate games until I have the cash to buy it, if I like it. Minor break of law, but no break in personal ethics. If it sucks, I delete it, and never buy it, or play it. Too bad no money is given for a bad product, they should make that even more illegal.
The RIAA, on the otherhand, I find morally repugnant. I think EVERYONE should pirate music from them, hell, piracy is the wrong work, I'm a PRIVATEER of music, it is a war. I have no reason to give them money, prices over inflated, most albums are 90% crap, mercenary buisness practices, and they are one of the cheif killers of personal freedom within the market. Screw Legality for a moment, lets look at ethics, protest. If they made boycott illegal, would you espouce against it?
And, they WOULD NOT receive any of my money, even in a world devoid of P2P, since all of their new music is the standard crap, there may be 4 artists whos CDs I would buy, and I buy those now anyways. Taste should also be legislated as illegal, it makes some idiot loose revenue! Bleh. Give control and profits to the artist, I delete kazaa. Simple, effecitive, hoorah!
Actually I started watching in the middle of the second season, then stopped somewhere in the third, than watched the entire fourth. It just takes a week to realize whats going on.
A fool and their money soon part. Capitalism seems to make this easier, and the internet makes it EVEN easier. I say good for this company, if an idiot wants to spend $30 on a picture of a ring, let him, it is no less idiotic than spending a couple grand on a real one.
Argueably, I use p2p ilegally. But laws do not equal rightness, or goodness. I think that p2p is one of those things that come along, and tell us that our standards are now wrong, and we must spend some time in deep thought about the issues it brings up. While not recompensating the artists is wrong, and there is no way to see it otherwise, it also provides a valueable tool for record companies, what do people really want, when given a choice.
Yes, p2p gives people a choice, beyond the "free or paid" one that is the issue here. When I download a lot of files from my p2p network of choice, I delete the ones that do not do it for me, and keep the ones I actually like. And because of the lack of the limiting price barrier, I have access to millions of artists that I would never be able to sample in the real (non-digital) world, where pricing (restrictive or no) bars me from sampleing much of anything. Sure, the radio allows you to sample music, but only what "they", the record companies, radio stations, and such, allow us to hear. They allow us to here this because some guy/gal at a desk decided by statistical analysis that this is what "we" want.
So with my now close-to-infinite choice, I am exposed to things that I never would have heard before. At no personal risk, finanical risk, or any other form of risk. Meaning that my choice in music has expanded greatly. For example, since I got to college, and hopped from my crappy 56k modem, to a hot university connection, I have deverged from popular modern rock, and started to listen to electronica, jazz, classic rock, and all forms of things that are hard to ever be exposed to IRL.
At this point this does not expand to giving money to the people who deserve it. And this is the problem.
So say I download 100 songs from my p2p of choice, I probably will delete 75 of them, them being utter crap, in my eyes. But the remaining 25 are good enough to listen too. Now I might go download as many songs by these artists as I can. But in the end, I'll usually find myself in my local record store, buying albums from the artists who deserve my music, these are usualy obscure artists, though, or artists that are not contained within the catagory of mass-appeal. Mass-appeal is geared exclusivly to the lowest common denominator, a catagory that no person should be content to live in, because at that level your a tool for the marketing flaks to make money.
I just got hooked on old (dead) femal Jazz vocalists, I have no qualms about pirating this music. The artist gets no recompensation for their efforts, all the money goes to the label. there is no way that any person will convince me of the wrongness of this action. I also have nothing against pirating Elvis mp3s.
Not actual CDs, but itunes and some other services do let you by CDs digitally for $10. Which is pretty nice, even if it is only a digital copy. After the cost of burning your CD would be something like $11-12, which is a good knock off of the price.
Though with itunes I have to convert the aac's to mp3, so it is playable in my mp3 player, which is a pain in the ass.
The other day I was going to buy a best of Billie Holliday CD set, and noticed that the price was in the $30 range. I laughed my ass off, walked home, and copied it off of various sources. She's dead, there is no excuse for charging $30 for a CD, that the artist gets no benefit from.
No, if life is more universal it does not presuppose "a devine somebody-or-other", it would just mean that life is much more common than we thought. Evolution of life is not Earth specific in any way shape or form, actually it is quite easily generalized that life can be formed anywhere where conditions are permissable. Several prevalent theories actually do dictate an interstellar origin of life, by a nondevine seeding.
Actually, we owe most all of our science and technology to the long-term effects of those wonderous greeks. Science as we know is a direct result of Aristotle, most of the Christian dogma is a direct result of Aristotle as well. And early christian theology is a heavy borrower from Plato. Sure, even if in the dark-ages much of the actual writings of the Greeks were lost, the actual influence lived on.
Killing Osama, as the original post recomended, is a ultimatly futile gesture anyways, long or short term, due to Americas worstening reputation. The only fix for our political problem, and those who would blow us up, is a LONG-TERM policy fix. Everything could be lost by History, the world could end tomorrow, so by your reasoning there is no point in even short term fixes, since the short-term may ultimatly be too long.
I'm not thinking of long-term in a technological sence, I'm thinking of it in a spiritual and philosophical sence. Things that shape human thought are ultimatly more important than things. Sure the V2 opened the door for many things intellectual (most unrealized), it proves to be a TOOL, and not something that changed people themselves.
And, BTW, we didn't kill Hitler, he managed to do that himself.
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What about Babbage?
WHERE IS BABBAGE?!
Not to mention Boole...
I really do doubt both of your percentages, using nothing but my common sense, especially the gun figure. I know several people that own more than one gun, and by your reasoning both of them have killed people multiple time with multiple guns, this obviously is not true.
With p2p I would say it depends completely on what network your participating in. I've been in several p2p enviroments (at work, school, and in my free time) that do not cater in illegal stuff, and then I've been on Kazaa, ye ol' Napster, winMX, etc... It depends.
Same with guns, if I buy a little 9mm, I have a higher chance of wanting to use it to pop a cap, than if I buy myself a nice 30-30 hunting rifle,which I'm probably going to use to hunt with. I think if they are after pirates they should target what is developed FOR piracy, and not the blanket technology, same with guns.
"It received many , but it has been said from amongthose Anal Cunt"
I don't get it...
This isn't really true. While I'll freely admit to piracy(with some ethical caveats to make myself feel better), I will not conceed the P2P is made exclusivly for piracy. Sure, Kazaa and such ARE, but things like kazaa are not the only p2p networks out there. At my uni I use Direct Connect alot, and mostly for trading class files, and docs, that and me and a couple friends do some movie production and shuttle the projects around on DC, and we trade pictures alot.
Just because most p2p is used for kiddies to download the newest Britany Spears mp3s, doesn't mean that ALL p2p is used for the same. In actuality there are many legal uses for p2p. I think we all would be lying to ourselves though if we claimed that Kazaa was not designed for, and used mostly for, piracy.
Then you have people like my old comm professor who, for my Argumentation class, hooked his laptop to the projector and played the oscar screener for us (A couple months before release), he told us that anyone who reported him to the school would fail the class. I think we got to deconstruct 3 pirated movies in that class.
(not that our ITS department would care, they already told the head of our local P2P that they hate the **AA's, and wouldn't report it)
For the first in history, /. is useful! I was wondering why my box was acting silly, open /., get and error message that an error in lsass.exe will shutdown my computer, and loe, the headline is my problems.... vava la /.!
Actually I doubt that any of that will be mapped, figured out, or most importantly meshed together. The human mind in not just a collection subroutines, it is a collection of subroutines processed through a (drum roll) "emergent byproduct of highly complex strange loops". This means that there is a highly complex self-manipulating symbol system with a deep feedback component, leading to an error message that is conciousness.
I'd recomend that you read some of the works of the brilliant philsopher Daniel Dennet, or the works of Douglas Hofstadter (I'd recommend 'The Minds "I"', by both, or 'Godel, Escher, Bach', by Hofstadter, both are very insightful.)
I'm sure you can fully understand any one of these tools individually, but fitting them into a gestalt is impossible. To understand the human mind you would have to transcend it, which is impossible.
Simple ethics, human empathy. Empathy is an evolved response to keep human societies cohesive, especially true when one human is dealing with another, face to face. I think at the basic level this is it.
WinRar
a registry cleaner
Firefox
WinAmp (actually iTunes now)
Openoffice.com
TweakXP
Cacheman
Spybot
and finally some game
I had them all backed up and compressed on some backwoods compressed partition on my second HD, alonng will all my documents, patches, and other install as needed progies. The main step is UNINSTALLING all of XPs crap, meaning many trips to safe mode.
Now I just hope I can cool my beer in my engine. Every evening after my commute I would let out a cry "Thank god for cold fusion", and crack a nice cold one.
To pick nits, the real true God created Sophia (wisdom), Sophia created the Demiurge, known as YHVH, who in turn created the universe, then The Demiurge created Archons, which we call angels, to carry out his ill will. But in each person exists a bit of the True Gods Light, and this is our only hope to escape from prison. The Apple for Adam was our first chance for escape (hence knowledge of good and evil), and the Christ our second. According to them. The Demiurge is not evil, just too big for his britches, his universe is a lie, and hence evil.
The term "Gnosticism" means wisdom, personally attained revelation with the Godhead. Only through revelation can we escape the cruel cycle or existance (yes, the Christian Gnostics had a vague form of reincarnation).
Gnosticism outdates Christianity buy a thousands years or so, and some scholars think it is evolved from ancient Egypt. The Zoroastrian and Mithric influence are really too heavy for it to be a pure early Christian invention. Also it fairly wreaks of bastardized Platonism.
Sorry, everyone is a geek in their own little way.
And thus we enter the slope to gnosticism.
And I just had my money on Hoffa, though what the heck would have Noahs paired him with? Two corrupt gansters of both sexes?
Now if only could grep the little bastards...
If it wasn't unintentional, why did they throw up a password on them?
Yay! My old high school. I wonder what exactly is going down, the article in the AZ Republic(an) is just as dumb as the FA. I remember ditching class to help install the modern network, replacing the old AT&T 8088s they had set up, with high tech herc video, and no network to speak of. Piracy was me distributing an old monocrome DOS version of Galaga to play during keyboarding. (Sadly, they used these old boxes up to 1995)
That new network was so full of holes it was funny.
Actually, your wrong. Your making some sweeping general statement, just because the poster does not support the RIAA does not mean that he does not support all of your examples, over even that they are valid.
Sure, there are certain software companies I will not give money to, and would pirate if I had the need. Price bloating is abhorrant, and should not be supported. Thankfully most the these overly expensive programs have open source alternatives, which I support with use, word of mouth, and money.
I still go to theaters, I still watch movies, I still buy DVDs. The only movies I would ever think of pirating are older flicks, which I have never seen, in order to see if I would buy the DVD. And then of course I don't support the compainies, since I prefer a good used bookstore over blockbuster or suncoast. But the movie industry still gets my money, but only for a higher quality product.
I see my favorite bands whenever they are within 200 miles of my house. If I found them morally repugnant they would not be my favorite band, and thus would not support them. (Hence no Metallica concerts for me, no M.J., rap idiots)
I pirate games until I have the cash to buy it, if I like it. Minor break of law, but no break in personal ethics. If it sucks, I delete it, and never buy it, or play it. Too bad no money is given for a bad product, they should make that even more illegal.
The RIAA, on the otherhand, I find morally repugnant. I think EVERYONE should pirate music from them, hell, piracy is the wrong work, I'm a PRIVATEER of music, it is a war. I have no reason to give them money, prices over inflated, most albums are 90% crap, mercenary buisness practices, and they are one of the cheif killers of personal freedom within the market. Screw Legality for a moment, lets look at ethics, protest. If they made boycott illegal, would you espouce against it?
And, they WOULD NOT receive any of my money, even in a world devoid of P2P, since all of their new music is the standard crap, there may be 4 artists whos CDs I would buy, and I buy those now anyways. Taste should also be legislated as illegal, it makes some idiot loose revenue! Bleh. Give control and profits to the artist, I delete kazaa. Simple, effecitive, hoorah!
You just won the ubergeek award! Huzzah!
Orz is *frumple*
Same thing with "crackz" and "serialz"...
But oddly it works for "petz" and "catz"...
Pirating animals must be okay for them.
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you mean?
Actually I started watching in the middle of the second season, then stopped somewhere in the third, than watched the entire fourth. It just takes a week to realize whats going on.
A fool and their money soon part. Capitalism seems to make this easier, and the internet makes it EVEN easier. I say good for this company, if an idiot wants to spend $30 on a picture of a ring, let him, it is no less idiotic than spending a couple grand on a real one.
Argueably, I use p2p ilegally. But laws do not equal rightness, or goodness. I think that p2p is one of those things that come along, and tell us that our standards are now wrong, and we must spend some time in deep thought about the issues it brings up. While not recompensating the artists is wrong, and there is no way to see it otherwise, it also provides a valueable tool for record companies, what do people really want, when given a choice.
Yes, p2p gives people a choice, beyond the "free or paid" one that is the issue here. When I download a lot of files from my p2p network of choice, I delete the ones that do not do it for me, and keep the ones I actually like. And because of the lack of the limiting price barrier, I have access to millions of artists that I would never be able to sample in the real (non-digital) world, where pricing (restrictive or no) bars me from sampleing much of anything. Sure, the radio allows you to sample music, but only what "they", the record companies, radio stations, and such, allow us to hear. They allow us to here this because some guy/gal at a desk decided by statistical analysis that this is what "we" want.
So with my now close-to-infinite choice, I am exposed to things that I never would have heard before. At no personal risk, finanical risk, or any other form of risk. Meaning that my choice in music has expanded greatly. For example, since I got to college, and hopped from my crappy 56k modem, to a hot university connection, I have deverged from popular modern rock, and started to listen to electronica, jazz, classic rock, and all forms of things that are hard to ever be exposed to IRL.
At this point this does not expand to giving money to the people who deserve it. And this is the problem.
So say I download 100 songs from my p2p of choice, I probably will delete 75 of them, them being utter crap, in my eyes. But the remaining 25 are good enough to listen too. Now I might go download as many songs by these artists as I can. But in the end, I'll usually find myself in my local record store, buying albums from the artists who deserve my music, these are usualy obscure artists, though, or artists that are not contained within the catagory of mass-appeal. Mass-appeal is geared exclusivly to the lowest common denominator, a catagory that no person should be content to live in, because at that level your a tool for the marketing flaks to make money.
I just got hooked on old (dead) femal Jazz vocalists, I have no qualms about pirating this music. The artist gets no recompensation for their efforts, all the money goes to the label. there is no way that any person will convince me of the wrongness of this action. I also have nothing against pirating Elvis mp3s.
Not actual CDs, but itunes and some other services do let you by CDs digitally for $10. Which is pretty nice, even if it is only a digital copy. After the cost of burning your CD would be something like $11-12, which is a good knock off of the price.
Though with itunes I have to convert the aac's to mp3, so it is playable in my mp3 player, which is a pain in the ass.
The other day I was going to buy a best of Billie Holliday CD set, and noticed that the price was in the $30 range. I laughed my ass off, walked home, and copied it off of various sources. She's dead, there is no excuse for charging $30 for a CD, that the artist gets no benefit from.
No, if life is more universal it does not presuppose "a devine somebody-or-other", it would just mean that life is much more common than we thought. Evolution of life is not Earth specific in any way shape or form, actually it is quite easily generalized that life can be formed anywhere where conditions are permissable. Several prevalent theories actually do dictate an interstellar origin of life, by a nondevine seeding.
Actually, we owe most all of our science and technology to the long-term effects of those wonderous greeks. Science as we know is a direct result of Aristotle, most of the Christian dogma is a direct result of Aristotle as well. And early christian theology is a heavy borrower from Plato. Sure, even if in the dark-ages much of the actual writings of the Greeks were lost, the actual influence lived on.
Killing Osama, as the original post recomended, is a ultimatly futile gesture anyways, long or short term, due to Americas worstening reputation. The only fix for our political problem, and those who would blow us up, is a LONG-TERM policy fix. Everything could be lost by History, the world could end tomorrow, so by your reasoning there is no point in even short term fixes, since the short-term may ultimatly be too long.
I'm not thinking of long-term in a technological sence, I'm thinking of it in a spiritual and philosophical sence. Things that shape human thought are ultimatly more important than things. Sure the V2 opened the door for many things intellectual (most unrealized), it proves to be a TOOL, and not something that changed people themselves.
And, BTW, we didn't kill Hitler, he managed to do that himself.