"This is what the Internet is about. When Microsoft and others pick at the details of RSS, things that were decided years ago, I wish they would help as only they can help, by spreading the word far and wide, helping people make better use of the Internet, now, not when they're ready to profit from it. There are lives being wasted today, problems that urgently need solving that this technology can help solve, a technology whose promise is that it can help people work together. Yet the tech industry always seems to use the promise to drive us into warring camps, much as the Republicans and Democrats do every time we make a political decision in this country"
You see, a lot of these "problems" were solved already. RSS is a subscribe-and-publish mechanism. There are other subscribe-and-publish mechanisms such as email. Under my current usage it transfers power from the email client to the browser (or whatever these people are using these days).
The only way it makes s-and-p better is the *possibility* of automating it but I don't see any applications where this is happening. It must be too much celebrating but I can't think of many apps where this is being used, or any real-world apps where I could use it. Anybody know any different?
I've been reading Marxist Hacker 42 grind down the arguments here with the monotony of a meat grinder, without providing any countervailing evidence. De nada. Zilch. Nothing. Oh, he's taken apart his opponents, re-purposed their arguments for his own. I'm sure there's a special name for this kind of rhetoric. Sadly, he has provided no actual data supporting his viewpoint. In fact, I've not seen any bold statement of MH42 furthering ID which can be taken apart by his opponents.
The trial produced a wad of paper supporting evolution. Name me some studies which have been peer-reviewed in scientific journals which have supported ID *unequivocally*. Even Behe admitted that some of his supporting evidence could be viewed as supporting evolution.
Neither have the ID crowd falsified Evolution; they just take the falsiable test of Evolution and turn into fact with no underlying evidence. In a strict falsiability test, it too would be peer-reviewed. It has been and has been found wanting. All that gives it life is the money provided by multi-millionaires.
I think the ID crowd want it both ways: to be treated as "science" and, when push comes to shove, and their bluff is called, retreat behind faith, blocking discourse.
On one thing Marxist Hacker 42 is right: we have replaced the theologists with the councils of science and damn right too. The scientists pursuit of objective knowledge has given us knowledge beyond our dreams. We are where we are because of science. If you wish to go down the route of theological dominance, then I believe you will go down the route of terror, murder torture. Believe this or be shot. Wipe out all the opponents, their writings, their race. Look what happened to the pagans in western europe. You want to live like the taleban, go ahead. You can count me out and actively against the religionists.
Somebody said earlier that there is always a lot of noise regarding articles on evolution. I believe that there is a cultural war against science organised by the religionists. I think this noise is the evidence. Hacker Marxist 42 is part of that noise.
They'll threaten to let Europe go - they'll huff and they'll puff - it depends if the Commission has the cajonas to see it through. Mind you, the EU is like a glacier: slow-moving and once set in one direction it's hard to stop.
Who's using Perl 6 for a serious project? And what is the project? More than a 1000 self-written lines, no comments (as if you r would...) or white space (ditto)?
The only real way (the perl debugger sucks beyond belief and is only there for little bittie programs, and I've tried using it to debug client/server problems) is to use the perl debugger is through emacs, and the GUD interface, but I've given that up in favour of Log4perl.
It's Terry Prachett who said that if you find LOTR fascinating at 15, that's fine. It's not so great if you still find LOTR fascinating at 40.
I guess Orson scott card will never learn such wisdom. It's a pity heis going the way of Phillip K Dick. Maybe he will.
Karma to burn...
Thanks for posting that. I hadn't realised that people such as card still existed. I do like this quote:
"The Church has plenty of room for individuals who are struggling to overcome their temptation toward homosexual behavior."
which is appropriate considering the number of church-related child-molestation cases that have come up in the post-2WW years in the UK, Ireland, USA, France...most place where the christian church practices in fact. I've lost count of the number of bishops - some bishops still practicing - who have condoned the behaviour of their paedophiles by protecting them. It's absolutely staggering. Really. Allow priests to be married and have done with it.
I've seen programmers use the Windows GUI to double-click files and get new instances of Emacs everytime. They use it just like notepad. I try to explain but it's difficult...
A market for hunting terriers? Sometimes they send terriers underground. I suppose you could call the dog and listen for the ring. Then call in the diggers...
OTOH, to call a dog, the voice has to be somewhere else. As a poster elsewhere has said, a dog can't respond to a call just behind it's head. That's ridiculous.
umm. How would a dog react to the standard ring *just* behind its head?
I've always thought that MS was way too diffuse. Just what is it's business? Just what does it want to do? "A PC on Every Desk Top". Is that still its statement? If so, it's looking more out of date by the second.
"Microsoft is not aware of any patent claims it owns or controls that would be necessarily infringed by a software implementation that conforms to the specification's extensions"
Yes they do have patents on their RSS SSE implementation. It's just they don't know of any similiar patents held by others which might infringe their patents. In other words, this is catch-all phrase. I have patents; somebody else might have similar patents but we're unaware of them, therefore we will cross-licence if it turns out that there are patents.
Of course they have patents. I'm afraid it's a bit premature for peace breaking out. The sharing stops at the MS borders. No, hang on. The sharing ends at MSs hand in my wallet. That's the only sharing they know. Has nobody learnt anything? It appears not.
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that's "sceptical" troll. you'd be better off expending more energy in something like macrame. now shoe.
If you hate email, then RSS is The Next Big Thing
from Winer "I hate email lists" Winer:
"This is what the Internet is about. When Microsoft and others pick at the details of RSS, things that were decided years ago, I wish they would help as only they can help, by spreading the word far and wide, helping people make better use of the Internet, now, not when they're ready to profit from it. There are lives being wasted today, problems that urgently need solving that this technology can help solve, a technology whose promise is that it can help people work together. Yet the tech industry always seems to use the promise to drive us into warring camps, much as the Republicans and Democrats do every time we make a political decision in this country"
You see, a lot of these "problems" were solved already. RSS is a subscribe-and-publish mechanism. There are other subscribe-and-publish mechanisms such as email. Under my current usage it transfers power from the email client to the browser (or whatever these people are using these days).
The only way it makes s-and-p better is the *possibility* of automating it but I don't see any applications where this is happening. It must be too much celebrating but I can't think of many apps where this is being used, or any real-world apps where I could use it. Anybody know any different?
i thought they'd bought opera already
Ah-ah, the post-modernist troll. Go away, shoe.
I've been reading Marxist Hacker 42 grind down the arguments here with the monotony of a meat grinder, without providing any countervailing evidence. De nada. Zilch. Nothing. Oh, he's taken apart his opponents, re-purposed their arguments for his own. I'm sure there's a special name for this kind of rhetoric. Sadly, he has provided no actual data supporting his viewpoint. In fact, I've not seen any bold statement of MH42 furthering ID which can be taken apart by his opponents.
The trial produced a wad of paper supporting evolution. Name me some studies which have been peer-reviewed in scientific journals which have supported ID *unequivocally*. Even Behe admitted that some of his supporting evidence could be viewed as supporting evolution.
Neither have the ID crowd falsified Evolution; they just take the falsiable test of Evolution and turn into fact with no underlying evidence. In a strict falsiability test, it too would be peer-reviewed. It has been and has been found wanting. All that gives it life is the money provided by multi-millionaires.
I think the ID crowd want it both ways: to be treated as "science" and, when push comes to shove, and their bluff is called, retreat behind faith, blocking discourse.
On one thing Marxist Hacker 42 is right: we have replaced the theologists with the councils of science and damn right too. The scientists pursuit of objective knowledge has given us knowledge beyond our dreams. We are where we are because of science. If you wish to go down the route of theological dominance, then I believe you will go down the route of terror, murder torture. Believe this or be shot. Wipe out all the opponents, their writings, their race. Look what happened to the pagans in western europe. You want to live like the taleban, go ahead. You can count me out and actively against the religionists.
Somebody said earlier that there is always a lot of noise regarding articles on evolution. I believe that there is a cultural war against science organised by the religionists. I think this noise is the evidence. Hacker Marxist 42 is part of that noise.
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They'll threaten to let Europe go - they'll huff and they'll puff - it depends if the Commission has the cajonas to see it through. Mind you, the EU is like a glacier: slow-moving and once set in one direction it's hard to stop.
Are you saying that because they're American, MS are above the law of the countries outside the US that they operate in?
Who's using Perl 6 for a serious project? And what is the project? More than a 1000 self-written lines, no comments (as if you r would...) or white space (ditto)?
in most brit companies, bloody IS is on a level with the cleaners
will be black very soon
Sorry, are we posting pr0n now?
That's the only way /.ians will ever touch a female
yeah, some "found objects" as in look "I found these ripped movies on my machine"
Log4Perl You know it makes sense.
The only real way (the perl debugger sucks beyond belief and is only there for little bittie programs, and I've tried using it to debug client/server problems) is to use the perl debugger is through emacs, and the GUD interface, but I've given that up in favour of Log4perl.
It's Terry Prachett who said that if you find LOTR fascinating at 15, that's fine. It's not so great if you still find LOTR fascinating at 40.
I guess Orson scott card will never learn such wisdom. It's a pity heis going the way of Phillip K Dick. Maybe he will.
Karma to burn...
Thanks for posting that. I hadn't realised that people such as card still existed. I do like this quote:
"The Church has plenty of room for individuals who are struggling to overcome their temptation toward homosexual behavior."
which is appropriate considering the number of church-related child-molestation cases that have come up in the post-2WW years in the UK, Ireland, USA, France...most place where the christian church practices in fact. I've lost count of the number of bishops - some bishops still practicing - who have condoned the behaviour of their paedophiles by protecting them. It's absolutely staggering. Really. Allow priests to be married and have done with it.
I've seen programmers use the Windows GUI to double-click files and get new instances of Emacs everytime. They use it just like notepad. I try to explain but it's difficult...
I did cotton on to the fact that USAians are good are making flower-pots.
A market for hunting terriers? Sometimes they send terriers underground. I suppose you could call the dog and listen for the ring. Then call in the diggers...
OTOH, to call a dog, the voice has to be somewhere else. As a poster elsewhere has said, a dog can't respond to a call just behind it's head. That's ridiculous.
umm. How would a dog react to the standard ring *just* behind its head?
It's more like "Peace in our time" as this issue isn't going anywhere fast. It will come up, if not the Europeans then some of the Asian countries.
I think the UK backed down over this - I wonder about the outcome if the French held the presidency.
Agree with the rest of your statement
I've always thought that MS was way too diffuse. Just what is it's business? Just what does it want to do? "A PC on Every Desk Top". Is that still its statement? If so, it's looking more out of date by the second.
Things can't be that Microsoft surely?
dumb == good
every frickin time. As soon as you see something labelled "smart", nuke it. It's bound to contain stuff which will screw yr life *every* time.
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I don't see anything in that statement to support your construction. The deciding test is to see if there are patents on RSS SSE.
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"Microsoft is not aware of any patent claims it owns or controls that would be necessarily infringed by a software implementation that conforms to the specification's extensions"
Yes they do have patents on their RSS SSE implementation. It's just they don't know of any similiar patents held by others which might infringe their patents. In other words, this is catch-all phrase. I have patents; somebody else might have similar patents but we're unaware of them, therefore we will cross-licence if it turns out that there are patents.
Of course they have patents. I'm afraid it's a bit premature for peace breaking out. The sharing stops at the MS borders. No, hang on. The sharing ends at MSs hand in my wallet. That's the only sharing they know. Has nobody learnt anything? It appears not.