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Creating an IS Department?

brainee28 asks: "I work in the IS department for a manufacturer in Arizona (a one-man-show). I do mostly everything; from systems, to networks, to procurement, to implementation. I can't mention who I work for since we deal with government contracts. My problem is this: The company didn't start out with an IS department. Up until 6 years ago, a few computers were scattered around, but processes and business was still being done the old-fashioned way (with paper). When the IS department was started, it was started by a hobbyist (he was named IS Manager before I showed up), who knew nothing about management or any of the major issues that befall a traditional IS dept. I joined 6 years ago (I have 5 years of IS Management experience, and 15 years of experience with IS in general) with the idea that I would be managing day-to-day operations. That has still not come to pass. The hobbyist left the company 4 years ago, and I've been on my own ever since." What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change? "Management views IS as a facilities function; computers are a tool, and only a tool. I presented a proposal to them about 2 weeks ago which completely negates that and several other ideas they've had about IS. Management accepted the proposal; however I'm now faced with additional mountains to climb.

I have 3 things that management and I currently don't see eye to eye on:

1) The main job of IS is connectivity. Connectivity is the core of why we have IS. Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it.

2) IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary. IS is involved with other divisions when physical products get connected to the network, but not before. Software should be evaluated by IS only when it becomes necessary for purchase and implementation, not before. Any developed piece of software (we have an in-house programmer in accounting who uses Access -- I know, I know...) should be evaluated by IS when the software is ready to install.

3)I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority) on my own. My proposal stated the need for the creation of staff (a tech and a clerk). Management thinks because things are running, I have no issues, but I'm falling apart from all I have to do to keep things running. I need to offset the load so I can do more of the 'bigger picture' things to help guide this company out of the IS dark ages. (We have no CTO or CIO; Management is made up of engineers from different disciplines)

How would Slashdot users attack this? I've done my Google searches; went back to traditional books from Barnes and Noble; and even contacted my alma mater, Northern Arizona University, to find some answers. How would you prove the need for change on these three points? Can I institute change here?"

408 comments

  1. What is IS? by sita · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry to say, but if the acronym you use is not IBM, introduce it before you use it, or you risk leaving your intended audience by the road side.

    1. Re:What is IS? by jaygatsby27 · · Score: 5, Funny

      That depends of what your definition of IS is. --Bill Clinton

    2. Re:What is IS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duh, what is IBM? Sorry to say, but I'm stupid.

    3. Re:What is IS? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a shortening of the old term for technology departments: MIS (Management Information Systems)

      MIS was commonly used back in the days of mainframes, because the department encompassed a lot more than just administration. They were responsible for the development, deployment, and operation of all mainframe programs, as well as all hardware related to information flow. Key punchers were also often assigned to MIS. In the olden days, they formed the core of a company's ability to produce bills, compute sales, and just about every other function that required data processing.

      Today, many companies have eschewed the idea of central processing for a technology department (IT) that merely installs the applicaitons that users run to do their own processing. Larger companies also have a software development department which is usually at odds with IT.

    4. Re:What is IS? by IainMH · · Score: 3, Funny

      What is IS? It is IT.

    5. Re:What is IS? by ncurtain · · Score: 0

      IBM = Initials Bother Me. IS = Insubordinate Subordinate.

    6. Re:What is IS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inadapted But Marketable

    7. Re:What is IS? by VdG · · Score: 1

      That would be one of my first concerns. In my company, IS and IT are two different things, (but related and somewhat overlapping).

      Broadly, IS is the applications the users are using and IT is the infrastructure that supports IS: primarily server hardware and operating systems, networks and general services such as email.

      Things like databases and SAP Basis could go either way but in our case are covered by IT, mostly.

    8. Re:What is IS? by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      What is IS? It is IT.

      Aaaaah! You said the word! Suffice to say, 'tis the word the Knights of Ni cannot hear.

      Just remember, you can't get very far in life without saying "IS".

    9. Re:What is IS? by xski · · Score: 1


      Ah the good old days when my boss had a placard that said MIS Manager and mine had one that said MIS Managed. And then we took over the phone systems and they started calling us ITC. :(

      -xski

    10. Re:What is IS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call bullshit on the details of your post, although that's fine.

      I'm betting "local" government work at the highest level. Federal contracts for private companies are often times well funded and although I only know a couple of federal workers they don't have the sort of issues you're describing.

      Ditch it, you'll only wind up drained and burnt in effigy (very predicatble cycle, it's the only way management can guarantee a continuous flow of sysadmins--"The last gal had no idea what she was doing, we just know you're gonna work out!). Go into private consulting. You'll make more (but have to foot insurance--it's a killer!), set your own hours very early in (3 months worth here). Hire a good manager to field and dispatch calls.

      The hardest part is letting go of the security of a guaranteed paycheck. It's scary, so you'd better have some money in the bank first!

      And learn Linux; by the overall tone of your post I'd be willing to classify you as primarily-Windows based admin.

      Here's a hint: Linux or *BSD admins (particularly RH-certified or BSD skill-strong) can ALWAYS find work. Find a good client who will refer you off and you're set! Two of my customers specificlly forbid me from telling anyone they use Linux. But guess what? The checks still cash!!!

      Beware IT managers who either a) Spent a long time stuck in a single grunt-level position before assuming a management role b) Avoid laying out a clear career path for you, or c) Remind you on regular basis how lucky "we all are for having jobs."

      Here's a general rule to follow for anyone sizing up their current position: If the head of your organization has recently become "saved" or recently become unusually involved in any local CHRISTIAN church activities but STILL REGULARLY CONDONES IMORAL ACTS, or worse yet GOSSIPS ABOUT OTHER EMPLOYEES OR BOSSES, past or present, it's a sign that they're involvement in the church is a front for some relatively recent illegal or immoral acts that they feel (often subconsciously) could threaten their positions or elected offices. Another telltale sign is the "born again Christian boss" who shows bias toward a particular individual or group of individuals because, because discrepancy is actually an act of prejudice is actually nothing more than an act of prejudice coupled with the unconscious mind's desire to cover up said prejudice.

      Believe me now or I'll see you in the unemployment line!

      Anonymous Coward

    11. Re:What is IS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Here's a general rule to follow for anyone sizing up their current position: If the head of your organization has recently become "saved" or recently become unusually involved in any local CHRISTIAN church activities but STILL REGULARLY CONDONES IMORAL ACTS, or worse yet GOSSIPS ABOUT OTHER EMPLOYEES OR BOSSES, past or present, it's a sign that they're involvement in the church is a front for some relatively recent illegal or immoral acts that they feel (often subconsciously) could threaten their positions or elected offices. Another telltale sign is the "born again Christian boss" who shows bias toward a particular individual or group of individuals because, because discrepancy is actually an act of prejudice is actually nothing more than an act of prejudice coupled with the unconscious mind's desire to cover up said prejudice.


      Try hitting the preview button next time and maybe you'll catch some of your typos! Overall, I have to compliment your post, however, it's very insightful.

      You're not the first person I've read suggest that a lot can told about an organization's culture by examining the religious hypocrocies of it's leadership. In short--if a person can lie to/about God, they can lie about anything!

      I'm going to take this a step further, however, and suggest that the total lack of nearly all oversight over elected officials means working for them is a no-win situation.

      Just my opinion.

    12. Re:What is IS? by chrisnewbie · · Score: 0

      one of the problem i see and am still experiencing is that different department like enginners just buy software propose to them by their supplier and went it's installed, then the IT dpt is called because it doesnt work.

      We have software that i know nothing of and have no formation and thos different dpt just thinks because your in IT that you know all intricate ways to install it and have a manual up your butt.

      There should one rule

      --You installed it you make it work--

    13. Re:What is IS? by nicknack · · Score: 1

      ...reminds me of that old "who's on first"
      http://susie1114.com/WhosOnFirst.html

      A: guess who's IS manager?
              C: you mean: 'who is THE manager'!
      A: WHO's not IS manager! guess who is IS manager...
              C: so WHO's the manager?
      A: no! WHO's on third, WHAT's on second and I'm IS manager!

    14. Re:What is IS? by AppyPappy · · Score: 1

      CHANGE?????!!

      You take it very slowly and prove you can keep the systems up and running. Everything else follows that. You also make sure no one is getting any magazines related to computers. It makes them experts and they will waste your time with foolish requests for technology that is unproven. People outside of IT are always looking for ways to avoid using passwords. Speaking of which, people don't care about security. They just expect it to be secure. And they want it to be easy to use. If these conflict, err on the side of "easy to use" if you want to get ahead.

      Make your services critical and the world will beat a path to your door. But it doesn't happen overnight.

      --

      If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem

    15. Re:What is IS? by Phoinix · · Score: 1

      To is or NOT to is , What the IS Doez Thatz Meanz?

    16. Re:What is IS? by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      Actually, his intended audience is people who know what IS stands for, so he is not leaving them by the roadside at all.

    17. Re:What is IS? by adamgolding · · Score: 1

      is IS IT? it is. IT, 'tis it IS? 'tis.

  2. The best way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best way to make management know of the importance and need of the services you provide is to withdraw them 'accidently' for a period of time.

    1. Re:The best way by MrBandersnatch · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Im going to chime in with complete agreement with this. A single person providing services to @100 users is insane. Take a week off work ill (I think something stress related would be appropriate) and if they arnt phoning you on the Friday begging for you to come back and sort out issue X on Monday, take another week off. When you return, if they STILL dont realise the requirement for a properly manned department, start sending CVs out and let it become someone elses problem.

    2. Re:The best way by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree- but it should be a bit more subtle than that. You REALLY need to read the BOFH stories, archived at http://www.theregister.co.uk/ in the bootnotes section. The key to this is: he who thinks IS service is too expensive gets less IS service, until he changes his attitude. Insist upon centralization, it's the key to keeping control over the users.

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    3. Re:The best way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      While I am in complete agreement with you, I don't think it will work in this situation.

      Since the company hasn't made a complete switch to computers, they'll just fall back on their old habbits if the one of the computers die one day that week or they'll just log onto a friends...

      In this situation, and I hate to say this, it would probably be best if he went on vacation on a Friday and mid-morning Monday or Tuesday,login to one of their routers and kill internet access. That will fubar their email, shopping, etc. At that point, they WILL call him if no one can get anything to work. At that point, the best thing to say is "I can be in tomorrow, I'm out on the lake right now..." When he comes in, act all pissed off and say that it was a simple fix (like restarting a router-but use the techno babble) and tell them this wouldn't have happened if a second person where brought onto the team.

      When he explains that he needs more than one person for the network, he also needs to use an analogy for their situation. If they make vehicles something like 'currently, its kind of like only having 1 welder for the whole production line - it can work but it doesn't work well..."

      If I where in this hard headed situation, this is honestly what I would do. I'm not a mean person, but some people have to be forced to change habbits and see the light. When working for an ISP, I cannot count how many times people canceled our service because we changed our homepage - people just don't like change.

    4. Re:The best way by ncurtain · · Score: 0

      Alternative to International Business Machines = I Birthed Microsoft. (Rather appropriate situation in your case that is.)

      I have ben looking at warfare models recently. Up to about the start of the last century it didn't matter how you ran a war if you had enough trained men at the sharp end.

      But with hi-tech; along with high defence expenditure came a way to stay ahead of the market exponentially. Your bosses don't see this and they are doomed to eventually fall to a competitor.

      A smaller company with better organisation is going to eat them sooner or later. Do you care enough to stay? Do a google on the N Squared Law and Japan.

      I'd have a few pokers in the fire by now if I were you. Also, I would have a look around and see where I would be best moving to if employment isn't that easy to come by where you live now.

      The time to move is before you are desperate. So instead of taking time off to sit on your arse, as some have suggested, get a few job interviews lined up and tell the boss you need time to go to them.

      Let the management worry about the business, that is their job. Unless the chief bottleneck is going to turn up his clogs before the company turns up its tits, it's hardly worth staying, is it?

      In the mean time, stop running aound and get to work on the ideal programme if you were to be given your head. I'd bone up on UNIX and Linux systems. While you are willing to run like a fool they are willing to let you. Stand up for yourself and let them run to you.

      You might get onto a few keen employees too. On the QT, say that they should be looking at learning Linux office stuff in case you do get a green. But it sounds to me like they will find another gopher if you put them to the test. Have a word with their previous, see if he agrees with me.

      I bet they czjd on himm too.

    5. Re:The best way by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      login to one of their routers and kill internet access

      So being told to sabotage your own network is insightful? No wonder so many companies want to outsource.

      --
      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
  3. Me Oh My by Stanistani · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Time to update the ol' resume and make for the exits.

    There is no intelligent life there.

    I've been in a similar situation. Company went belly-up a few years later.

    1. Re:Me Oh My by diersing · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Ditching ship is ONE path. The other is to use your "management" skills and convince them your way is better.

      If you wanna run around with the big title you have to back it up with the soft skills of massaging management to see it your way. Give them cost/benefits analysis and identify the risks of non-action ~ require them to sign something that they are accepting the risk. Once business decision makers are on the spot and putting their name on something they'll usually read it and give it due consideration.

    2. Re:Me Oh My by Geoff+NoNick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What makes you think the company's management is acting illogically? The system works, the computers get the job done and there are no problems other than the fact that someone hired as a System Administrator now wants to be an I.S. Manager and feels he needs a few more people on staff to justify that title. This company isn't in the business of running a computer network, so why should it dedicate more staff than necessary to maintaining one perfectly when there's nothing impeding the daily running of what the comapny does do?

      If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Obviously this System Administrator thinks that proper I.S. management is the well-spring of all company productivity, but everything looks like a nail to someone with a hammer. I say he just accept the fact that he isn't going to advance his career very far at this company. He should quit for that reason, but don't blame the company for it.

    3. Re:Me Oh My by Jim_Maryland · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My brother experienced a similar situation to what this guys is. He worked for a commercial water heater manufacturer who essentially looked at computers the same way the look at a tool on the assembly line. I doubt they would create a department around a machine press so they wouldn't create one around computers.

      I agree with you though that this company isn't likely to be the lifelong career provider for this guy. I'd look for a more traditional company where information systems are looked at as a valuable service rather than an expensive tool.

    4. Re:Me Oh My by rovingeyes · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Time to update the ol' resume and make for the exits.

      Seriously, I would never hire you. In fact mentality like yours is definitely a sure fire disaster recipe. Here is what I deduce from your comment:

      • You run away from challenges.
      • You lack proper communication skills (It is important for IT person to explain stuff to average Joe in his language).
      • You definitely are not a leader.
      • You apparently think very higly of yourself.
      • You are definitely not a self starter.
      • You are not reliable.

      With qualities like that I am amazed, you still have a job. This guy has the zeal to learn and to introduce change. He is showing leadership skills, trying to improve how things work in the company. A guy like that is an asset. Instead of giving him useful advise, you tell him to bolt and you have been modded insightful. And still you wonder why your job is being outsourced. Come to think of it you are asking for it.
    5. Re:Me Oh My by qwijibo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wouldn't be surprised to find this to be the norm for smaller companies. Computers ARE tools. It's only in companies whose business is tightly integrated with these tools that they need to maintain the in-house expertise needed to keep things running smoothly. It's no different than any other critical tool. IT people are not as likely to end up at these kinds of companies because they don't already recognize the need. Most companies use computers because they're normal, but wouldn't go out of business if they had a few go down occaisionally.

    6. Re:Me Oh My by moorley · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well said... But...

      He's been there for years and they haven't listened to him.

      By what miracles of miracles are they going to start listening to him now?

      I've been outsourced. I was the last one there and turned off the lights as we left. It wasn't because we were incompetent it's because they had already made the decision many months ago to send it to another geographic region. We were already the contractors running 12 hour shifts. The moral of this story is to look at the big picture and make your best decision.

      I resemble your remark. I'm not incompetent. But my 20/20 hindsight tells me that after 6 months to a year if I haven't gotten what I wanted even though I outperformed every expectation and made the case for improvement you leave. Yes there are things you can do better but the time has already passed. We don't live for miracles, that's why we need to make good decisions.

      He needs to make decisions for himself, not the company he works for.

      --
      "Don't fear death... fear not living..." -me :)
    7. Re:Me Oh My by Stanistani · · Score: 1

      You assume way too much.

      Kudos to moorley for a balanced reply to your spiel.

      Nice use of bullet points, though.

    8. Re:Me Oh My by THEbwana · · Score: 1

      Yup. My take aswell.
      I've worked with fairly large environments for 15 years on two continents.
      Bearing in mind what resources/clout/management buyin you have, It sounds as though this goal is too far off for you to accomplish.

      Basically, you're currently responsible for something you dont have control over - and management seem to be happy with this this.

      It's your rep - but I would be getting out of there *very* quickly, hoping that nothing burns or breaks before you leave.

    9. Re:Me Oh My by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How 1950's of you, to think that a person must stay and be unhappy in a shitty job in a shitty company because it's the noble thing to do and an opportunity to conquer a challenge and provide leadership. This is 2005, where loyalty and tenure mean nothing, and usually the people who rise to the top aren't the ones who innovate or have a long term vision or actually do the real work that makes the company go, but the schmoozer used-car-salesman MBA-duckspeak turds who rise to the top of the septic tank. In 2005, with IT hiring picking up, treat your job like underwear, if it's dirty or uncomfortable change it, you'll be alot happier and make more money.

    10. Re:Me Oh My by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Remember that the company you work views IS -- and always will -- as a necessary burden in order to keep the company running. It will always be a burden, because it will never contribute to the bottom line.

      1) The main job of IS is connectivity.
      In a place such as you've described, the main job of IS is to be invisible while keeping systems running. That means being aware of all software and hardware (because part of the job also includes responding to vendor audits) currently in use across all departments. All of it affects your ability to do your job. Preferably, it also includes standardizing means of software acquisition and installation

      2) IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary.
      It's your job to get involved as soon as possible with these processes -- because it will be up to YOU to install, maintain and troubleshoot them. As a general rule, all software and hardware should be evaluated LONG BEFORE it's ready to be installed. Waiting until the last minute, not getting involved with initial discussions and evaluations, etc, will only kick you in the ass later.

      3)I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority) on my own.
      You are correct -- but you must be able to outline a business case, complete with some form of cost/benefit analysis that supports this. Simply saying, "I'm overworked" won't suffice.

    11. Re:Me Oh My by Hiro+Antagonist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think he (the article poster) needs to make it clear that computers are tools with continuous maintenance requirements, much like other large-scale capital goods. Most industrial equipment requires a fair amount of maintenance to keep it running, and not performing that maintenance leads to Big Problems and Massive Expenses down the road.

      The article poster is correct in his assessment; a company with over a hundred users, nearly all of which have a computer, needs about two full-time IT guys (desktops take more work to manage than servers, doubly so in a Windows environment). Management needs to know not only how overworked this guy is in his current position, but what the ramifications are of not having any 'preventive maintenance' being done on their systems.

      Data theft is just one possibility, of course. Loss of critical data due to lack of a cohesive backup procedure, downtime from failed equipment, and even potential loss of customers -- I know I wouldn't place any sort of large order with a company if they didn't take steps to protect my information.

      --

      --
      I Hit the Karma Cap, and All I Got Was This Lousy .sig.
    12. Re:Me Oh My by DeDmeTe · · Score: 1

      I was in a similar situation. There was a "IS" department, but I was the only one in it. No management whatsoever. Now, don't get me wrong, this has it advantages. But when it comes to getting upper managment to buy into *anything*, it was futile. They didn't want to pay someone a mangers salary. What I ended up doing was picking two people out of our organazation that had some sort of technical skills. They became my "part time" tech's. I sent them to the proper training. We're also spread out location wise, so getting to a person with phone/computer/network problems is a lot quicker now. All in all, things seem to be going much better. I still have a problem with upper management not having a clue when it comes to needing money for projects, but at least my "manpower/spread to thin" issues are all but gone.

      --
      -Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat-
    13. Re:Me Oh My by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Exactly. A photocopier is just a tool, most places don't have people who know how to fix them, or even use them properly. Only big organizations with many photocopiers can afford to have someone on staff that knows how to fix them. It works the same way with computers. Many companies don't have enough computers or enough problems with them to make it worthwile to have an employee, or department devoted to it. It's just easier/cheaper for them to call in someone else when they need something fixed or set up.

      --

      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
    14. Re:Me Oh My by dekemoose · · Score: 1

      I am leaving a similar situation for the exact reasons specified in the article, okay close. If management is used to this arrangement they will never see the need to modify it. With my departure, there are serious modifications being made to our MIS structure, and this will likely increase substantially more so after my departure. Time to head out and find somewhere that you feel is a better oppurtunity.

    15. Re:Me Oh My by sjwaste · · Score: 1

      I'd say stay longer than 6 months, because a string of short-term jobs on your resume is going to hurt your chances of landing interviews.

      You need to show some stable job history.

    16. Re:Me Oh My by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show them a Cost/Benefit Analysis of what it will cost them to replace you when you leave them for a job that doesnt overwork you.

    17. Re:Me Oh My by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Believe it or not, many people do not rate money to happyness. Quality of job and making a difference mean a lot to many people.

    18. Re:Me Oh My by covertbadger · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Seriously, I would never work for you. In fact mentality like yours is definitely a sure fire disaster recipe. Here is what I deduce from your comment:

      • You have no respect for your employees' goals.
      • You are unable to understand an opposing point of view.
      • You have the diplomacy of a trapdoor spider.
      • You draw conclusions from insufficient evidence.
      • You are not the leader you obviously think you are.

      With qualities like that I am amazed, you still have a job.

      Oh that's it, I can't mock this guy any more as it involves descending to the same level of adolescent spelling and grammar.

      I've been in a similar situation to the submitter. I worked for just over 4 years for a company that had nothing to do with software, but thought it ought to have some computers around the place and then decided to dabble in Windows CE development. I got suckered in as I was 22 years old at the time and saw it as an opportunity to get early experience as a senior developer. There was no drive from upper management, absolutely no risks taken, and the pervading attitude of the whole company was that IT and software were a necessary burden rather than an asset. The size of the team increased by exactly one between the time I started and the time I left, and that hiring decision was made begrudgingly. The fact is, some companies absolutely will not expand their technology side (and they are often right not to, as it isn't always necessary), and any ambitious IT worker will be better off elsewhere. Working at that sort of company is ideal for people who want a bit of security to see out their career, or are looking for a sinecure, but career poison to anyone who wants to progress.
    19. Re:Me Oh My by d'fim · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If that company had 100 machine presses - and everybody, even the CEO, needed to run a machine press six out of eight hours a day - then they would probably have more than one machine press mechanic.

      In my company it's executive email. Screw all of the other users and their workstations - if the President can't get his AOL on his laptop then his "network department" (i.e. me, myself, and I) does NOTHING else until he's back online.

      --
      Adherence to the truth is a form of disloyalty.
    20. Re:Me Oh My by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously ... I would never hire you. Arrogant know-nothing asses is something no one needs in their group.

    21. Re:Me Oh My by Stanistani · · Score: 1

      I've done this before as well. It's a good stopgap solution.

      It's also a good way to keep the tech running so you can move on to greener pastures.

      Ultimately, though, you have to weigh your pride in your work against the lack of consideration being shown to you by the management, and find a position in a organization where sufficient resources are being allocated to the IT branch.

    22. Re:Me Oh My by SoulRider · · Score: 2, Informative

      Precisely, if you want to be management in this company, then become one of them. Start managing NOW!! Then the managers will either make you one of them or they will fire you out of fear they will have to pay you more, either way you will show them that you are willing to step up and take charge. That is never a bad thing in a good company.

    23. Re:Me Oh My by ViciousCircuit · · Score: 1

      Arrogant know-nothing asses are something no one needs in their group.

      --
      "To infinity and beyond?" I just don't get how that's poossible, but whatever you say, man.
    24. Re:Me Oh My by ViciousCircuit · · Score: 1
      Arrogant know-nothing asses are something no one needs in their groups .

      (I had to correct myself, there.)

      --
      "To infinity and beyond?" I just don't get how that's poossible, but whatever you say, man.
    25. Re:Me Oh My by ViciousCircuit · · Score: 1
      "Screw all of the other users and their workstations - if the President can't get his AOL on his laptop then his "network department" (i.e. me, myself, and I) does NOTHING else until he's back online."

      I could not sympathize more. It's sickening, the technical idiocy of some higher-ups.

      --
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    26. Re:Me Oh My by DogDude · · Score: 1

      I could not sympathize more. It's sickening, the technical idiocy of some higher-ups.

      The company is paying the president a few hundred bucks an hour, easily. You're getting paid no more than $50. It makes perfect sense for the president to demand that his email is working, and make it a high priority. The lack of basic business sense among IT guys (like yourself) is sickening. Personally, I'd never hire an IT person (like yourself) that didn't have some kind of basic understanding of the business, its needs, and how IT fits in that picture. Your job, as an IT grunt is NOT to second guess the president. You can give feedbcak and suggestions, but you're not making the important calls (for good reason).

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    27. Re:Me Oh My by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great ... grammar flames from someone who had to correct their first flame for grammatical errors.

      Get a clue, genius -- and a life.

    28. Re:Me Oh My by BVis · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Believe it or not, many people do not rate money to happyness. Quality of job and making a difference mean a lot to many people.
      The bank doesn't take job satisfaction as payment on your mortgage. Nor can you eat job satisfaction.
       
      For most people, your employer has no interest in your quality of job or in your making a difference. You're there to shut up and take it. The least you can do is get paid well enough to take the sting out of it.
       
      Money may not buy happiness, but poverty sucks.
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    29. Re:Me Oh My by Punk+Walrus · · Score: 1

      I don't know, 6 months in the IT industry isn't looked upon that badly as some may claim. Especially if the previous job was a long time. Now a strong of 3-6 months in the same area would look bad, although I had a friend who worked for 5 different companies with 6 different titles in 3 years... and stayed at the same desk.

    30. Re:Me Oh My by cborg · · Score: 1

      I find this slightly myopic. While it's obvious the guy wants into management you're ignoring his claim of being overworked, which is the justification for additional head-count.

      Management IS being illogical not want to bolster their infrastructure.

      It's not hard to envision an increase in an existing government contract that could indirectly cause numerous systems to break that the one-guy IS department couldn't handle.

    31. Re:Me Oh My by shokk · · Score: 1

      Another alternate path...
      take a vacation. If you're the only one there, they will appreciate you so much more when you return. When you do come back, make sure you don't take care of all the issues in one shot. If you try to be superman, you will be treated like superman all the time. Administration takes time and things get prioritized up and down... just make sure you keep a todo list and don't let anything fall through the cracks. Keep track of your time and you'll be able to show that you aren't able to keep up with all the demands.

      Of course, I also have to stress that you need to make sure things are as automated as possible. Software install, etc, should be as hands off as possible. Ideally you should be able to do administration of that site from any location, even home.

      --
      "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
    32. Re:Me Oh My by Clover_Kicker · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a lot of hassle if you could just bail to a bigger shop with an IS department already in place.

      Probably get a raise, too.

    33. Re:Me Oh My by cborg · · Score: 1

      Considering the original poster is asking to increase the size of the IS department because he's over-worked, I don't think he lacks business sense.

      Plenty of IT guys couldn't explain their way out of a box much less make the large business decisions effectively. This does not negate their understanding of what they require to do their jobs effectively.

      That few-hundred-bucks-an-hour president may be making $0 if he remains a technical idiot.

    34. Re:Me Oh My by jred · · Score: 1

      Most places don't have 100+ photocopiers, either.

      They are probably a MS shop. With 110+ PCs, I'd say he's justified in feeling overworked. What they need to do is hire him a flunky.

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    35. Re:Me Oh My by Mr.+Shiny+And+New · · Score: 1

      You're right, except the analogy isn't perfect:

      1. Most photocopiers need only occaisionaly maintenance beyond "more paper" and "new toner", whereas PCs are always having software changed on them (in most offices that I've seen).
      2. Most places have a few photocopiers per 10s of workers; it wouldn't be unusual for an office of 100 people to have only one or two copiers, whereas most offices have 1 PC per worker.
      3. Photocopiers don't require networks to operate (well, some might but then I'd say the networking aspect falls under the PC side rather than the copier side).
      4. If a photocopier is busted you can go to Kinkos to get copies; if your network is down perhaps all of your staff can't work.

    36. Re:Me Oh My by fleisher · · Score: 1

      "...from someone..." Singular. "...correct their first..." Plural. So, "...from someone who had to correct his (or her) first flame..."

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    37. Re:Me Oh My by RestartLater · · Score: 1

      Why doesn't he just work 9-5 (or 6 or whatever his hours are). Keep a diary noting what he did when, kind of like lawyers do. If things can't get done, they don't get done. Really simple. If they complain he's not "doing his job" show them the diary. In the meantime, start looking elsewhere.

    38. Re:Me Oh My by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He knows that in order to win you need to know how to pick your battles.
      You are roadkill.

    39. Re:Me Oh My by Angostura · · Score: 1

      No. From the original posting:

      "I joined 6 years ago"

      It is far too late to stamp authority on the situation now - the original poster is in a rut at the company and staying there is just seeing his skill set degrade, together with his moral. There is only one thing he should do - tender his resignation.

      It is just possible that this will lead to an instant renegotiating of his role, but frankly I doubt it. My guess is that the company knows it has itself a useful lackey that keeps things running, that's what they are interested in keeping.

    40. Re:Me Oh My by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....and you are quite clearly a manager

    41. Re:Me Oh My by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Money may not buy happiness, but poverty sucks.

      Well said.

    42. Re:Me Oh My by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      1. Many companies buy computers and don't touch them and don't install any new software. They run windows update once a week, and their computers stay relatively stable. They just type up documents.
      2. Depending on where you work, there may or may not be 1 computer per person. Think of a grocery store, there's a computer at every checkout, and maybe a couple in the office. But there is far from every employee using their own computer. It works the same in many other non-computer oriented businesses.
      3. Many computers don't require a network. It's probably best that you keep them off a network unless absolutely necessary in order to avoid getting infected by network viruses, or having employees waste time on the internet.
      4. Again this depends on what percenage of your staff can't work without a computer. Not all businesses have all staff on computers.

      Obviously if you have 100 staff, and 100 computers, you should probably hire someone to look after them, but if you have 100 staff and 10 computers maybe not. It's based on the best interests of the company. Not every company with computers needs someone full time to work on them.

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    43. Re:Me Oh My by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I would never hire you.

      And seriously, I'd never work for you. :)

    44. Re:Me Oh My by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      sure, what I said is still true without money being consideration: changing job to get more satisfaction, opportunity to make difference, and more interesting/exciting work. These are valid reasons recruiters, HR departments and managers will respect. Largely the days of such people wanting to see five or ten plus years at the same place are gone.

    45. Re:Me Oh My by Mr.+Shiny+And+New · · Score: 1

      I'd say that running Windows Update counts as installing new software. Microsoft has broken things in the past, and a windows update (think SP2) that works perfectly well may still break an application that is badly coded or isn't expecting the change in OS functionality.

      Also, I was thinking more of offices rather than retail, since point-of-sale computers often approach photo-copiers in terms of variance in configuration and # of things that can go wrong. A desktop PC is usually tweakable by the user and all it takes is some legal combination of preferences that Microsoft never tested which breaks something in a bizarre way.

      As for computers not having a network, I'd say these days a network is as important as a mouse. If I have two workstations and 3 staff members, I'd rather have these computers networked so that the three staff can use either machine than put up with the inconvenience of having to sneaker-net files from one machine to another for trivial tasks like printing or whatever. Heck, I have 3 computers at home and I insist on networking them; saves me a ton of trouble. Simplifies backups, printing, internet, sharing files, authentication. I think it's safe to assume most businesses would insist on similar convenience.

    46. Re:Me Oh My by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he should probably quit because he thinks a 110 node network requires 3 support staff. I've worked in envoriments where 1 manager and 3 support personelle supported 1400 PCs, and phones and computerized manufacturing devices across 3 countries and more than 30 branches. If you know what you're doing, it should be a cakewalk. The problem seems to be that you don't know which battles to fight.

    47. Re:Me Oh My by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      I thought he was referring to the fact that the President uses AOL...

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    48. Re:Me Oh My by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normally I would agree with the "show them the benefits" part. I am in the same position. As of right now I am straining under the load and it is a matter of time before I break. Here is what will happen.
      I will say "I need someone to help me with the IT/IS chores, there is too much for one person to accomplish"
      They will say, "you are doing the job now, if it changes then you must not be doing you job anymore"

      They are absolutely all for the fix it when it break policy and when it breaks its my butt on the chewing block because I should have prevented it.
      On and on it goes.
      So, jump ship now. That is what I am looking to do. It will never, ever get better.

    49. Re:Me Oh My by diersing · · Score: 1

      The topic was how to Create an IS Department, not how to resign. When you are in a position to create something, you have creative authority as to its shape and vision, it can be an intoxicating experience if you plan and execute well. Like with any company of any size, the creation of a new department is a challenge, I was just suggesting a path other then resignation and joining an existing IS department cause 6 months from now he could be posting "how to fix a buggered up IS deparment".

    50. Re:Me Oh My by paxmark1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One could make a case that every bulleted item in there could also apply to the poster.

      He hasn't been a leader, he was comfortable under someone who was not a ball of fire.

      Since his supervisor left, it does not sound like he has been able to communicate a proposal to save money in the long run and make IS more robust and functional. The converse - he has not let them know that he is working at a pace that he cannot continue.

      He has been there for a long number of years, and everyones perception there is probably that he is the IS guy under so and so. He should have gone for a lateral move somewhere during that long time there if he was hungry.

      He either has to be comfortable staying in an IS department the way it is and working way too hard - or find another job.

      He is not percieved as a leader.

      It is too late to make a lateral move. It is time to make a shift to a slightly larger company and work second shift. If the present employer does military work - he has security clearances and HR's elsewhere will see someone to trust immensely - as opposed to many 22 year old grads (sorry). It sounds like he religiously came into work, and did not screw up. He is the perfect second bannana - and many people would love him to be in charge on their second shift.

    51. Re:Me Oh My by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Informative

      Money may not buy happiness, but poverty sucks.

      Nice false dichotemy there. There's a threshold effect in place with income. For someone on minimum wage, a $20k pay increase would be a reason to switch jobs instantly. For someone who's already earning six figures, $20k isn't life-changing, and is probably not enough incentive to switch from a pleasant job to an awful one.

      --
      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    52. Re:Me Oh My by Cylix · · Score: 1

      It's pretty simple...

      Making sure AOL mail is working is going to be a little difficult. (Unless the company happens to be AOL itself)

      The better strategy would be to migrate this user to something you can control and a set of services you can ensure will be running.

      Basically, they just have to make sure his internet connection is working.

      Now, from a business perspective, it would rather funny to see email of the company president to come from AOL. Even our sales people would laugh at that one and for different reasons then the tech people would.

      Bottom line, El President @ aol.com does not command much respect at all.

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    53. Re:Me Oh My by biobogonics · · Score: 1

      Time to update the ol' resume and make for the exits.
      There is no intelligent life there.


      The OP needs to bail for mostly non-technical reasons. The scope of his authority does not cover his areas of responsibility. When you are doing a job like that, you are screwed.

    54. Re:Me Oh My by Clover_Kicker · · Score: 1

      He's been there too long. He's in a rut. His bosses have formed an idea of what he's about and what he should be doing.

      Much easier to bail.

    55. Re:Me Oh My by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the article submitter said 94 users with their own computer and a total of 110 computers.

    56. Re:Me Oh My by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm.. If you're making $100,000/yr, increasing it by 20% to $120,000/yr is significant. That can frankly mean buying a car outright instead of financing one. It's certainly possible that it could shorten your work-life and make your retirement earlier (invest that 20K). Basically, it depends on how good "pleasant" is and how bad "awful" is.

    57. Re:Me Oh My by ml0fl1n · · Score: 1
      Sadly, probably the only way things are going to change is if one of the many things you could predict would happen, happens.

      Critical data lost because there isn't an enforced backup strategy?

      Can't get a needed investment because you can't pass a process and controls audit?

      The 'key' man (you) is unavailable when a critical application or machine crashes?

      My suggestion would be to thoroughly document the risks of the strategic lack, and then point to the documentation when your predictions come true.

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    58. Re:Me Oh My by Stanistani · · Score: 1

      Concise and on point.
      Bravo!

      What the heck are you doing on Slashdot? :)

    59. Re:Me Oh My by jschottm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This company isn't in the business of running a computer network, so why should it dedicate more staff than necessary to maintaining one perfectly when there's nothing impeding the daily running of what the comapny does do?

      Computers have become vital to just about any office at this point. Having a single source of failure (getting hit by a bus, quitting, being on vacation) is a really poor idea for mission critical resources. I've seen hundreds of employees idled for an average of an hour a week due to poorly administered database systems at the cost of roughly $40,000 in wasted hours per week.

      Is blowing a multimillion dollar government contract because the sysadmin gets overly stressed out and quits without writing down the system passwords really worth it?

    60. Re:Me Oh My by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they should rethink what they're paying him.

      (Either guy. The one who's too stupid to get his AOL working probably doesn't have enough brain cells to really be running a company, and/or the one who's his virtual slave-boy.)

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      +++OK ATH
    61. Re:Me Oh My by NateTech · · Score: 1

      The CEO's certainly not going to stick around if the going gets tough in a modern company -- run her down further and wait for the Board to throw them out with the golden parachute, is the usual mentality at their level -- all while maintaining a perfect "positive attitude" and giving lipservice to "process improvement" so they don't blow their shot at moving on to the next company disaster with a smile.

      The late 80's and early 90's movement to "Quality Management" and then the large shift in Stock Market strategy to quarterly or daily trading of equities has made it such that large corporations are completely at the whim of this quarter's numbers and the management only knows how to communicate in terms of processes -- there's no focus left on overall maintainability of the organization as a "family" or "company" in the more traditional sense of the word -- a group of people working together toward a common goal -- in CEO's vocabulary any more.

      You're right. This guy should move on if he wishes -- the "leaders" of the organization certainly will if the company suddenly takes a turn for the worse. And it sounds like it'll take a big dive if he leaves, too... but none of the "leadership" will see the correlation between their systems crashing, this guy leaving, and their customer relationships failing due to bad communication and lost work time. They'll just implement "process changes", and that will happen too slowly to save them.

      Until "leadership" people once again are committed to anything longer than this quarter's revenue numbers, employees won't be either. It's a natural reaction to lack of trust and fear for one's job.

      Owners of small businesses are just about the only managers left with the right focus... if their company goes down, they go with it. Thus, they naturally try to build for the long term, from hiring to firing. They tend to be excellent people to work for, and many also have some semblence (not always) of being human too.

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    62. Re:Me Oh My by ViciousCircuit · · Score: 1

      The lack of basic business sense among IT guys (like yourself) is sickening.

      When the president of the company doesn't know how to work her email, the company has a serious problem. I know how frustrating it is to have a mail server go down. That's one problem. But to have to stop dealing with other problems that effect more than one person because the President can't send a file 10mb larger than the max. allowed size is ridiculous. If you work in IT, you know that the higher ups are typically better talkers than they are computer savvy. That is one thing that needs to change. Using MS Office should not require tech support.
      When IT is being called over because Madam President can't figure out why her 20mb email full of PowerPoint presentations is still sitting in the outbox, then there's a problem. That you can't see the common sense of this is sad.
      (And FYI, I worked in management before moving to IT, which is my preferred field.)

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    63. Re:Me Oh My by ViciousCircuit · · Score: 1

      LOL At least I corrected myself (unlike that person).

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  4. Step 1: Create an IT Department... by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...that way everyone will know what it is.

    Step 2: Launch a harmless virus, fix it, and then show your superiors what could have happened if you didn't catch it in time.
    This will ensure the need for your services.

    Step 3: Buy lots of flexible toys that let you quickly release your pent-up agression in a harmless fashion. This will avoid having to replace 'defective' keyboards and other equipment.

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  5. Vacation? by AnonymousCactus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This might not help with all of your complaints, but have you thought of taking the longest vacation that you can get away with? You get a nice break and when you get back everything will be so f$#%ed up you'll be the god the big bosses worship.

    Well...ideally...

    1. Re:Vacation? by jim_redwagon · · Score: 1

      i like the idea of taking the time off and letting them see what you do. but i can see it (from the PHB/devil's advocate standpoint) backfiring since you didn't set the system up properly to run in your absence.

      good luck!

      --
      I forgot what I wanted to say, but honestly, it was important.
    2. Re:Vacation? by style7711 · · Score: 1

      "have you thought of taking the longest vacation that you can get away with?"

      I used to call those employee appreciation days. It worked every time.

  6. "What is the best way for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?".....by finding a new job.

  7. Be absent. by grub · · Score: 0


    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?

    Take holiday and don't answer your phone. When the fires are put out on your return request a meeting with the boss.

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  8. IS? by minus_273 · · Score: 0

    am i the only one who has no idea what IS is? Was this article one massive typo?

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    1. Re:IS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No, but Googling for IS department, then posting your findings would have been more productive and taken about the same amount of time...

    2. Re:IS? by GlassUser · · Score: 1

      am i the only one who has no idea what IS is? Was this article one massive typo?

      Well since the article has no mass, I'd say you're off on the latter. As to the former, while I know (probably only because I held a job where I was the "IS Administrator"), it's not all that common. A little expansion would have helped.

  9. I.S.? by dbolger · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:I.S.? by AnalystX · · Score: 1

      I knew what IS was when I read the article, but there seems to be a job description malfunction. I'm not sure IS/MIS is what the original poster was really wanting. Evaluating software and administrating a network are largely IT jobs. IS more specifically handles the exchange and storage of information and MIS handles the reporting of said information. IS/MIS is all about information, not software evaluation or network connectivity.

    2. Re:I.S.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
  10. The best way to handle this situation? by ellem · · Score: 0

    Fix up your resume and BOLT.

    Second best way. _Let_ something important break. Take a _long_ time to fix it. They'll let you hire some bodies. You need at least 2 but you could get by with 1.

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    1. Re:The best way to handle this situation? by talasian · · Score: 1

      your second best way doesn't work well either. i work for a small ISP and when i take a vacation (whether for 3 days or a week) something will break...(my boss likes to "play" with things until they break). Unfortunetly, no one listens to me about why i spend more time fixing problems then dealing with new projects. (leastwise...no one with any power) sometimes...updating the resume and taking a walk IS your only choice... if people aren't willing to listen, or open their eyes to what is right in front of their face, no amount of talking, presentations, whatever is going to change their mind.

  11. "Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be " by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it"

    Sounds like you like to live in a more compartmentalized IT shop at a larger company (insurance?) where you can be isolated from reality. I'd start looking for a new job - there are thousands of other IT people who love the jack-of-all-trades hat.

  12. Don't sweat the small stuff... by jasondaemon · · Score: 0

    Do what YOU need to get done to make things work well, when the small stuff starts to slip by, they will see the need to fill the gaps with an IT team. The company I work for has a small IT team, running around on the small stuff all day lets the big picture fade. Working on the larger picture has made the small stuff in need of a 'help desk', of which I am currently taking resumes!

  13. Only Way by nico60513 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?

    Quit?

    I hate to say it. My experience is that management usually won't take any action until things get bad. As long as you are keeping things running, management won't be willing to make any changes (read as: spend any money).

    1. Re:Only Way by davidesh · · Score: 1

      IS/IT is only a tool for business. The sole purpose of IT/IS is to support business needs. IT/IS was not created just so geeks could play with toys and buy all the expensive things they want. If you want to prove that there is a need for widespread change, then you need to prove to them that the IS systems will improve the bottom line. It isn't about whiz-bang features or gee that's a fast computer!
      Find where they lose money and where you can improve processes to cut overhead. You have to prove the ROI. When you begin to prove you are saving them money, making them more efficient and give them a competitive advantage then you will see your salary begin to increase as well as your department. Don't expect to get everything at once.

    2. Re:Only Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On top of this, it is really important to manage your employer's expectations. Try giving them a time breakdown of what you do every week. Hard numbers will convince people a lot faster than broad generalizations (e.g. "I'm overworked!").

      Secondly, maybe this is exactly how management wants it. Maybe they want a one guy IT department that just runs around fixing machines. Is there a reason they should do otherwise? If there is, prove it to them. If you cant come up with a solid and presentable reason, with numbers to back it up, then perhaps you need to check your motives for wanting change.

    3. Re:Only Way by magarity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My experience is that management usually won't take any action until things get bad
       
      A lot of previous comments along the same line all indicate one thing: Too many universities don't put the MIS department in the college of business. The flip side of your complain about management is: Management won't lift a finger until they see a proper business plan indicating the benefits of *insert project here*.
       
      It isn't an IT problem. A factory manager might want to expand his loading dock area but management won't lift a finger until he shows them a plan indicating the benefits.
       
      All this whining about management not wanting to do anything really means that the IT people doing the whining don't know how to make the case. And since the golden rule is that those with the gold make the rules, the topic poster had better learn to speak management if he wants better responsiveness.

    4. Re:Only Way by prisoner · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are precisely correct. I was in this guy's shoes about 5 years ago. I don't blame management for not making changes; they had me working 70 hours a week for about $35k/year. That's too good to be true. I asked my boss for a raise and he gave me a $500 bonus. I left about 5 weeks later and they had to pay the next guy twice what I was making.

    5. Re:Only Way by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately it's hard to set up a new infrastructure that will be easy to run while fighting fires. Perhaps set up each new machine as a simple easily configure and reinstalled box (the big clue is anything without a registry for spyware to hide and anything where users can't install their games or whatever else from home). Even with MS Windows there are things like deep freeze that ensure that you can get the thing back into a good state. Once you get to that point you can focus on doing new stuff, reading Slashdot, and trying to convince management not to let the chief accountant take their laptop containing all of the companys financial information on an ill considered shopping holiday to a fortified city on the edge of a war zone.

  14. You Can't -- Resign by Monkelectric · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Find another job, and quit. Cite as your reasons for leaving the stupid stuff that goes on. They may surprise you and make a counter offer. They probably will not.

    Managements *JOB* is not to "do things right". Its to discover the absolute minimum of funding at which a task can be accomplished.

    It's the same situation at my work -- they put my department (RND) under incredible stress because incredible stress is *CHEAP*. Doing the right thing is expensive. This is why engineering and management are always at eachothers throats.

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    1. Re:You Can't -- Resign by luvirini · · Score: 2, Informative
      Managements *JOB* is not to "do things right". Its to discover the absolute minimum of funding at which a task can be accomplished.

      That is not corrent, it is the job of management to look at shareholder/owner value. That is as simple as it is.

      In some circumstances it means what you say, in other circumstances it means to do the opposite.

    2. Re:You Can't -- Resign by qwijibo · · Score: 1

      Doing things right is rarely the low cost option. Though, it's important to consider more than out of pocket monetary costs in the cost/benefit analysis. High turnover rates are expensive, so it's necessary to find a way to maximize value, including the value of employee satisfaction/productivity.

    3. Re:You Can't -- Resign by tompaulco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doing things right is ALWAYS the long term low cost option. Doing things right is seldom the short term low cost option. Management is short term. Guess what management is going to do.

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    4. Re:You Can't -- Resign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you resign, and they make a counter-offer, politely DECLINE IT.

    5. Re:You Can't -- Resign by qwijibo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doing things right is rarely the long term low cost option. What is long term to you? Next quarter, year, decade, century? If you knew the lifespan of a solution in advance, you would plan accordingly. However, that's rarely the case in the real world. Management looks at the short term because that's where the least exposure exists. Most projects are not critical, so quick fix solutions are good. Something that could put the company out of business if it failed is going to get more resources allocated to ensure it doesn't fail.

      Management is often content with workable solutions because they're workable and they're solutions. That's an improvement over what they have, so it fulfills the minimum need of getting something done. To us techies, it's a kludge (an inelegant, but functional hack), but to management it's a solution. Anyone who doesn't look behind the curtain doesn't care how the wizard works.

      I'll use an example of a project I worked on last year - it took about 8 months for 5 programmers to replace an existing (slow, unreliable and expensive) system. The up front cost of that project was fairly high, but the ongoing cost is pretty low. There are many opportunities for improving upon that system to do things the right way. However, there's no money in the budget for improving something that works fine. If instead of 6-9 months, it were a 2-5 year project to do everything right, it would not have gotten done. That would leave the company with the slow, unreliable and expensive system, or nothing to handle that particular business function. If there was a need to improve the system we created to expand its capabilities, it would be possible to do so. If many of the areas for improvement were addressed, the total time spent would be more than it would have been to do it right the first time. However, having a fully functional system now would be the basis for such a project, so the level of confidence in succeeding would be much higher. Nobody expected us to finish our project on time and successfully.

      As a technical person, one side of me is offended by all the corner cutting that is done to hit irresponsible deadlines. However, there's also the practical view that, even with all those compromises, the new process takes less than a week to do what used to take a couple of months.

    6. Re:You Can't -- Resign by Dasein · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doing things right is ALWAYS the long term low cost option. Doing things right is seldom the short term low cost option. Management is short term. Guess what management is going to do.
      So, basically, management discounts future costs heavily. The reason that they do so is because, like peons such as myself, there's basically no job security. Have a bad quarter, get stabbed in the back in the board room/executive suite.

      Is it any surprise that people act this way?

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    7. Re:You Can't -- Resign by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's the same situation at my work -- they put my department (RND) under incredible stress because incredible stress is *CHEAP*. Doing the right thing is expensive. This is why engineering and management are always at eachothers throats.

      Incredible stress is bloody expensive when you burn out your employees and suddenly nobody knows how the system works.

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    8. Re:You Can't -- Resign by darrell73 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wish I could mod this guy higher!

      I'll try and link what the other guys are saying.

      1) You are obviously an undervalued employee as you are keeping all the balls in the air while taking the stress upon yourself.
      2) Management are, if not happy, accepting of the way things are. So there is no impetus to make a change. You are considering ways of providing this impetus.
      3) The only sure way of making this change is to resign. This may not change the business, but it will be a change for you.

      I've been in this situation before (at a school ) and my blood pressure went from a lovely 120/80 to 160/110. Not the best for the health. But before I quit I tried:
      1) Providing a organisation wide questionaire and analysis. Trust me, there is always stuff that they want improved and if you spin it the right way, requires more IT support
      2) Providing an analysis of current outstanding jobs/projects and the amount of man-hours required to complete them. Once you throw in day-to-day activities (backups, security etc) these usually put completion times in the "months" category. Hopefully this will convince them.
      3) Provide articles and white papers about staffing levels. Google it and you will find. If you can't, email me and I'll try and provide you with the links. In my situation we had a department of 3 and the most conservative analysis said we required 8.
      4) Job logging system. Incoming calls should be logged and a fortnightly/monthly analysis provided to management. This should then show them how much work you are actually doing.
      5) Start timesheets and provide these to management. If they accept the these, then start mentioning "overtime rates". Try to give them a financial reason to employ more staff.
      6) Work to rule. No more "nice guy". Start work when you should and leave when you should. If someone wants something done immediately, it can wait until tomorrow morning. Before undertaking this, ensure you have complied with 7.
      7) Prep your resignation. Get a reference from management or peer (if management are a bunch of bastards). Start looking for work. Take a holiday (employee appreciation day!, I love it) and do a technical/upskilling course.
      8) Having exhausted all the possibilities, quit. Your health and your social life/family will appreciate you for it. Sorry MonkElectric, I disagree.....if you get to this stage, NO amount of money is worth staying for, even if they offer it.

      I'll leave you with a thought - "The only problem about doing something right the first time is that no one understands HOW BLOODY DIFFICULT IT WAS!

      Good luck in whichever direction this takes you.

  15. Ignore all technical details by endrue · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Remeber that upper management generally hates technical details. Explain how the widespread changes will benefit the company in relation to things that you know are important to them. Make sure that you underline the importance of the changes and the specifice benefits they entail; things like money saved, less training, less downtime, and less support calls.

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    1. Re:Ignore all technical details by operagost · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Wow-- yours is the first post in this topic that approached the problem from a management standpoint rather than some passive-aggressive point of view!

      I might point out that he not forget specific examples over his tenure that could have been addressed more effectively with an organized IT department. He should put all of this into a well-organized report and schedule a presentation in front of both his boss(es) and those of affected departments.

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  16. show initiative by boxlight · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?


    In a nutshell, just do it.


    Take the initiative and start implementing policies and enforcing them. My guess is your boss will be very impressed that you're showing such leadership. Team Captains don't become Team Captains by waiting to be asked.


    Keep in mind, that you run the risk of pissing a lot of people off. Be flexible (you probably don't have *all* the answers) but stay determined. Perseverance pays.


    Just do it. They'll tell you when you've gone too far.


    Boxlight

    1. Re:show initiative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might work for item 2, but leaves item 1 and 3 out in the cold, so to speak.

      If management thinks your job is X+Y, but you think it should only be X, well, you can hardly dictate the terms of your own employment. You can try to negotiate, but if you were hired to be a sysadmin, you can't simply decide to be a programmer one day, right?

      Similarly, since this person has stated that he lacks management authority, he can't really hire someone on without getting some sort of approval. He could try, but really, it's not his job - it's the job of HR or the equivalent.

    2. Re:show initiative by bbsguru · · Score: 2, Informative
      What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?

      Well, you've been there six years. When do you expect the 'new guy' to arrive?

      Your pattern is already established. They are getting exactly what they expect (and presumably want) from you. If you want to change the course, you're going to have to change boats. The time to be a 'new broom that sweeps clean' is when you are new, with the mandate and presumed competence that come from a new responsibility.

      I have to agree: for you at least, this is an opportunity that isn't. That said, you have little to lose by pressing for reforms. Just get your letters of recommendation up front.

    3. Re:show initiative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of the old adage "It is better to beg forgiveness than ask permission". I would often take the initiative and do something that was not expressly ordered/called for because I knew it needed doing and perhaps in a different way than usual, and I can't recall one time when it blew up on me. I recall several times looking the hero for it.

      But I'm retired now. And living in sunny Mexico. Mwaaaa ha ha!

    4. Re:show initiative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, I think this is exactly right. At the company where I work (I'm in development, not IT), I see the IT manager puttering around, doing his own thing. Occaisionally I'll hear upper management asking him what he's working on, and he'll explain what he's doing and why. I can't remember the last time we had a major problem, and for this reason, our IT manager is left to his own devices. If you're doing a good job, then upper management won't have any problem with you taking initiative.

  17. Chances are... by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 4, Informative
    Sorry to say, but if the acronym you use is not IBM, introduce it before you use it, or you risk leaving your intended audience by the road side.

    I sort of agree with you, but realistically, if you don't know, either on your own or through context clues, that IS stands for Information Systems, you shouldn't be responding to this guy's question anyway.
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    1. Re:Chances are... by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Really? Because it could just as well stand for Information Security. Or Informix Systems. Or Instant Satisfaction. There's nothing in the text about what "IS" is suppose to stand for. I don't really see how Information Systems fits in with the context. Information Systems main job isn't really connectivity. That's really more the job of the networking people who connect the information systems together. Information Systems should only have to deal with setting up systems to provide information, and not really with connecting them to the rest of the company.

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    2. Re:Chances are... by sita · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I sort of agree with you, but realistically, if you don't know, either on your own or through context clues, that IS stands for Information Systems, you shouldn't be responding to this guy's question anyway.

      Maybe. But that is not an attitude to take if you really want people to spend time to answer your questions. I need to gauge fairly quickly if I know anything that I can contribute, or if I want to read on and learn something from the thread. If I have to read a pagefull or two to learn what it is about, it lessens the chances I will find it worth the bother.

      So it is more of his problem, than mine.

      And why couldn't IS by Information Security or Internet Services or... well you get it, many acronyms are potentially overloaded to the degree that it is not easy to dismiss all but one as unreasonable.

      Speaking of reasonability, now that you have spelled out Information Systems for me -- what the h*ck is that? Really? What does an IS dept do that an IT dept doesn't? (Information Technology...whatever *that* is...)

    3. Re:Chances are... by soulsteal · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Why hello there young lady, I'm the IS Manager. Instant Satifaction, oh yeah!"

      That would play out well.

    4. Re:Chances are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was Information Security. And I work in "eye-ess"!

    5. Re:Chances are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is this great thing in our language called "context", I'm sure your're aware of it. While I completely agree with you that IS could mean any of the things that you mentioned, it is obvious by the "context" what the submitter ment.

    6. Re:Chances are... by ViciousCircuit · · Score: 2

      I have to agree. For me at least, IS automatically eqates to Information Systems unless security is mentioned repeatedly to cause me to think otherwise. This writer's entire post screams Information Systems. Also, judging by the companies narrow view of technology, this person is most likely the network tech as well (to touch the previous 'connectivity' argument).

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    7. Re:Chances are... by kimvette · · Score: 5, Interesting

      er, one can infer directly from the context what the author is referring to.

      And for what it's worth connectivity is not the primary function of IS. Providing and supporting the infrastructure for company data, processes, and infrastructure and making it as transparent (that is, problem free) for the users is what "IS" departments are for.

      I've gone into companies and improved security (brought them beyond HIPAA compliance - they're behind two firewalls), reliability, etc. and now we hear from most of them very little. One customer we hadn't heard for in four months contacted us a couple of weeks ago. I had been wondering if there was a problem (e.g., they thought IT services were too costly) but when they called they had a laundry list of items, mostly concerning computers we didn't provide (mainly problems with Dell systems, which on the low end have a HORRENDOUS failure rate). When he called he said "I know you haven't heard from us in a while but to tell you the truth things have been running GREAT." It was satisfying to know that a nontechnical manager at a client understands the value of IT and that it is when you don't even think about your network that things have been done right.

      Incidentally that was one of my clients where we deployed Open Office (saved $400 to $500 per seat on software there), Firefox, and other free/OSS solutions. Users (secretary/receptionist types) took to OOo immediately and discovered functioality that I didn't even know was in OOo, which underscores just how well OOo stacks up against M$ Office for typical office use. Sure, if they were working with 1200+ row formatted/hyperlinked spreadsheets they would not be able to use OOo due to severe performance issues, but they'll never encounter that there.

      They have gone from continual downtime between spyware and a lousy (and insecure) network setup and flaky hardware to never even thinking about the computers. Their only remaining problem is they're still on Verizon DSL so they experience bandwidth issues when lots of terminal service users are logged in, but that's unavoidable until they bite the bullet and go with a T1 line, since Verizon STILL doesn't offer sDSL here. They had one minor incident where one individual who had the admin password was canned and they didn't change the admin password or let me know, and that user was a little spiteful and changed the admin password. That was quickly addressed (thanks to UBCD) and now I've created a secondary admin account just in case another manager has the same idea. Aside from that they have had no real problems.

      My point?

      Express your goals:
      - minimized downtime
      - data integrity - redundancy, automated backups, etc.
      - solid disaster recovery plans (minimize downtime in event of a failure)
      - facilitate better communication and data exchange
      - Make your IT infrastructure transparent. By transparent, I mean so problem-free that the users don't even have to think about you.

      Remind them that a single day's worth of downtime for a business of that size costs more than it will cost to implement a proper network and process up front. I've seen a 130+ employee company (a software company) lose exchange due to HDD crashes (the acting IT director ignored the RAID warning when one drive failed, then a second failed) and the acting IT director was clueless. Management approached me to recover the data (knowing my background in Windows, Exchange, M$ mail, etc. prior to QA) but when I checked out the backups, I found that the acting IT director (the previous IT director left) had changed the backup several months prior, so that ONLY the directory structure was being backed up. No System State backup, no info store backup. No files backed up. They were toast. Also, ALL of the previous backup tapes had been recycled, including the ones at Iron Mountain, so they had NO backup. That situation lead to about a week's worth of no email, and likely hundreds of thousands worth of lost revenue. Fortunately

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    8. Re:Chances are... by TrappedByMyself · · Score: 1

      I sort of agree with you, but realistically, if you don't know, either on your own or through context clues, that IS stands for Information Systems, you shouldn't be responding to this guy's question anyway.

      Well, my first assumption was Information Security. Then as I read the question I wondered why the guy didn't just use the more standard IT label.

      It's nice that nerds want to have their own special langauge and this "if you don't know, you shouldn't be here" attitude, but communication is really key. Even something as stupidly simple as this should be identified a little more clearly, especially when dealing with the business folk.

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    9. Re:Chances are... by Anti_Climax · · Score: 2, Funny

      You Forgot "Giggidy! Giggidy! Giggidy!"

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    10. Re:Chances are... by Bizzeh · · Score: 0

      i would have thought it was Internet Security, since more and more companies are wanting this right now

    11. Re:Chances are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are assuming the company he is working for knows or even cares what IS stands. As far as they are concerned, it could mean anything to do with "them there 'puters." Don't expect business people to know the "proper" title. They are just as likely to name the janitor as "Head of Maintenance."

    12. Re:Chances are... by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1
      I sort of agree with you, but realistically, if you don't know, either on your own or through context clues, that IS stands for Information Systems, you shouldn't be responding to this guy's question anyway.

      Not completely. It is possible that he knows the term by another word (or acronym) or it is possible that English is not his native language and he never uses this acronym. Another possibility (which applies to me) is that he may want to learn something new about 'IS' and the problems related to it. If everybody would only read stuff they already know everything about, a forum would be quite useless. On top of this I consider it good practice to explain acronyms (except the 'IBM' kind) anyway, especially if the blurb is larded with it. Finally, not explaining it because 'those not in the know should stay away' is questionable, imho.

    13. Re:Chances are... by JoeyO506 · · Score: 1

      That really hits home. I am the IS(IT) department et the company where I work - when I am not being the controller that is. IS is viewed as a hobbyist position and not really necessary. Since I don't have time to deal with networks ( and the company is NOT going to pay anyone to do that) I have set up peer to peer networking and addressed the backup issue machine by machine, Installing little subroutines that backup each user's data to CD and monthly offsite storage. The people who don't get it - mainly the owners and elderly secretaries - just don't get backed up. Fortunately that's personal email and miscellaneous memos. All the financial dept data (my crew) is backed up to removable hard drives every 2 hours with redundant back up peer to peer to other machines within the department. I've got the Operations crew uploading (via DIAL-UP!!) once a month because each machine is in a different physical location. Whenever a hurricane comes through I am biting my nails, but the owners don't want to invest in "useless gadgets"

    14. Re:Chances are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I've learned something. I always thought it was Information Services, but I guess it's Systems.

    15. Re:Chances are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask them if their life insurance is a "useless gadget".

    16. Re:Chances are... by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Beware, that link in that guy's sig slows firefox way down.

      Is that supposed to be some DoS?

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  18. What is the best way? by glengineer · · Score: 1

    Simple. Just break something and let the managers see how it affects the bottom line. Even in "today's advanced world" that old maxim is true: the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

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    1. Re:What is the best way? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That old saw changed (or at least management thinks it changed) when the dot com bubble popped. Now the squeaky wheel gets greased.

    2. Re:What is the best way? by LordFnord · · Score: 1
      Even in "today's advanced world" that old maxim is true: the squeaky wheel gets the grease

      True. However, the squeaky wheel is also usually the first to be replaced.

  19. Create a business plan by winkydink · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Outline what it is you intend to do, how much it will cost and what the projected benefits are of doing it. Don't forget to also outline risks and downsides. Omit the "soft costs" that cannot be easily measured, like "improved productivity and efficiency".

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    1. Re:Create a business plan by miketo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with the parent; if you can take some time to put together a business plan, you are more than halfway there. Some suggestions to help you along the way:

      * Identify a "champion" in upper management and work together to get approval for the plan. If you don't have a higher-up who thinks what you are doing is worthwhile, you will continue to be a voice in the wilderness.

      * Tie your project to a pain point. You and your champion need to identify something that's bothering the CEO and CFO, and figure out how to fix it. Most CxOs don't care if the receptionist's PC is running Windows 95 and takes more time for you to fix it. They will care if you can accelerate revenue (ship product faster) or reduce expenses (reduce time inventory sits in the warehouse).

      * An alternative is to improve the decision-making ability: deliver more accurate information or deliver information faster. This gives a business the basis for a competitive advantage.

      * Start small. Keep your project's scope simple and discrete. Grand plans to integrate systems don't fly; things to eliminate redundancy or repetitive data entry work better (wireless inventory updates from the warehouse, for example).

      It's tough to see this situation when you are a person who cares about the job they do, can see how to improve the network, and yet can't get the initiatives approved. As others have pointed out, you may be working for a company that is a late traditionalist / very late adopter. If they think things are running "good enough" they will resist change in spite of evidence to the contrary.

      In that case, go to where your years of experience are appreciated. Get your resume together and get another job.

    2. Re:Create a business plan by VdG · · Score: 1

      I'd go along with most of that.

      Specific goals are difficult to identify without knowing more about the poster's situation but some areas which I think bear further investigation are...

      Audit compliance. Can you meet all the requirements of Sarbannes-Oxley and the like? Tight IS/IT controls help a lot in this area and it's not something that can be ignored. (If you're not a US company, and don't work with the USA you'll still have local equivilants, I guess.)

      Cost savings through central purchasing of equipment and software. Can you get better deals from suppliers? Can you take tighter control of the specification so that folk get what they need, not simply the latest and greatest (and most costly) new piece of kit? And so everybody gets the same version/model rather than eight different people having eight different PCs/databases/whatever.

      Both of those usually require an accurate hardware and software inventory, something which is quite tricky to do if there's no central control.

      Quantify the effort you're putting into support. The total hours worked then broken down into categories, (mainly to distinguish between inevitable problems like a disk crash and avoidable problems like a virus infection). To make this work you need to be adequately compensated for work outside your normal hours. If your contract says you do whatever's necessary, whenever it's necessary, with no call-out or overtime payments, (sucker!) give them a chance to change things - more money or less hours - then look for another job. (If you're doing loads and loads of unpaid work, there's little incentive for the company to change. If every support call in the evening costs them money it's a good argument for making changes to remove those calls.)

    3. Re:Create a business plan by ringfinger · · Score: 1
      This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard. What a colossal waste of time. Create all the business plans you want - if your senior management isn't asking for them already, they don't think they're important. Even if you get your plans accepted, you're not going to get the support for any real changes because they obviously don't think anything's broken.

      You'll have to work too hard on this and in the end you'll end up not far from where you are now. Worse yet, they could accept one of your plans and then you've got some big project on top of your normal work.

      The only reason to follow this idea is if you want to have an example of your work to show potential new employers when you're interviewing next Spring.

  20. You have two choices.... by 8127972 · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. As many others have mentioned, update your resume and head for the exits. If they don't see a need for an IS department, you're pretty much screwed.

    2. Become Montgomery Scott and wait until a major "disaster" happens and then save the day. Make them understand that the business would have stopped and money would have been lost had you not pulled the situation out of the fire in time. Make it clear that with more resources (people, hardware software) that you could not only come to the rescue sooner, but you'll be able to prevent problems from happening. It's sad to say, but some companies only get their acts together when the s**t hits the fan.

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  21. It's all about the money by selil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think you need to change the idea from information systems (IS), to information technology (IT). The only way that you will be able to make the case is to change the perception of an IS department from cost center to profit center. You have to show how you can make them, save them, or create money. Slashdot style it is money, money, money. You will have to educate them over a period of time, define some specific metrics to show success, change the evaluation methods, and adapt to the environment realizing that it isn't about "you". Good luck I've been there numerous times in the last 20 years.

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  22. it is about money by luvirini · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Management basically looks at only one thing: Money. As long as they see your proposals costing moneyand not earning it they will be refused. So the real point is to find and propose to them ways that efficiency could be raised or something similar.

    According to what you wrote there would likely be a lot of things really in need of overhaul to actually do things efficiently, but as long as management only sees IT as a drain and not as thing helping profit they will not happen. Thus the first task is finding where small changes could reap big benefits and then propose those, likely in the form of hiring someone "for project duration" to do do/hel with that change. As that thing is then showing some gains, propose a next thing and so on.

    Afterall the role of IT in a company is not something standalone, instead it is a tool to make other things more efficient.

  23. Re:translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Took me about 2 minutes to figure out who he works for. (Hint: It's a large telecom provider based in Littleton, CO). If people are really concerned about concealing their identities, they should try a little harder.

  24. ROI by isotope23 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd have to disagree with you, the core purpose of IS is improving ROI.
    If connectivity does not help the bottom line, it is indeed pointless.

    To make your point, I'd find out what it would cost the company if the
    computers were down for one hour, two hours, etc. Compare those costs
    versus the costs for your requested help. Present that information to management.

    For any new prjoects, I'd compare the estimated time/cost savings.
    If you can put it in dollar terms you have a chance of approval.

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    1. Re:ROI by shr1n1 · · Score: 1

      This is the most insightful response.

      The author says that he has "IS Management" experience but obviously he hasn't done these things in the past (ROI justification, Costing etc). So right now his management sees him only as a Cost center (which they will try hard to minimize). Hey they might even consider getting rid of him and contract out for services.

      He has to build his case. The first step is to educate in layman's terms what it means to bring about changes. What those changes will achieve in terms of efficiency and productivity gains (his or management's or workers in general).

      He has to show what is broken. Obviously if in management's perception everything is running then what is the rationale for bringing about change.

      Also he has to keep in mind any change has a big impact. Nothing is too small or trivial. He has to adopt change management practices.

    2. Re:ROI by dada21 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good points, but in manufacturing many companies don't consider investments and returns -- they look at input costs based solely on labor and material and output costs based on market demand and production efficiencies.

      It is very difficult to convince a manufacturer that there can be a return on the investment of IS labor or hardware. We've worked a number of years solely on manufacturing and assembly clients and they're the absolute worst in believing that technology can make them more profitable.

      I've toured manufacturing competitors in Asia and Mexico and I was utterly blown away by how efficient their IS groups were compared to the shops here in the U.S. I hold similar beliefs to yours (read your blog), so I think you'd agree that our labor organizations may hold a big hand against the unorganized IS workers.

    3. Re:ROI by isotope23 · · Score: 1

      One thing I forgot to add to the parent post is talk to the managers of each department independently BEFORE you present it to the whole team. Show each department what it costs them for an outage. Essentially divide and conquer.

      Good points, but in manufacturing many companies don't consider investments and returns -- they look at input costs based solely on labor and material and output costs based on market demand and production efficiencies.

      Well, if they are not sold by the costs of downtime, the next step is to challenge them to do it. E.G. "If you do not see the benefits, try having your workers go without their computers for a day."

      Usually if you approach the managment one on one beforehand, you can get what you need.

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    4. Re:ROI by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      That is the best place to start. Talk money and management listens. But from what I get of the question the guy is going to have an uphill battle.

      First off he needsto lose the condencending attitude. "Hobbyist" and "no management skills" are two things that will get him shot down or ignored. The old guy did things that helped management in their time of need. He stepped up to do something when he saw the need and obviousally did it well enough to run that way for a period of time.

      Coming in and calling this person names only makes someone look like a pompous ass. Good Managers are born not educated no matter what the College instructors tell you. you can not educate out an asshat attitude that will undermine even the best business plan. I know this stuff first hand as I have to perform Damage control every time the VP of operations opens his mouth and verbally discounts everything the IT and IS departments do around here.

      The First thing to do is create a plan showing how money can be made by creating a IS department. Money saved is not realistic as they only see the huge expense of new positions and you certianly can not save money by spending money in management's eyes. Show how creating an IS department will create money increase productivity of the Sales department and other revinue streams.

      Secondly, Operations is ALWAYS looked on as an expense. so anyone talking about starting a new department is already at -10 in the hole. "We need an Is department? Why? everything has worked so far, maybe you cant handle it?" Expect that question because if they dont ask it directly they certianly are thinking it.

      Finally you must explain to a non techie that holds your paychecks why not simply buying DELL and allowing them to fix the computers is not a good idea. because the CFO and CTO is thinking that exact thought.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    5. Re:ROI by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      Finally you must explain to a non techie that holds your paychecks why not simply buying DELL and allowing them to fix the computers is not a good idea. because the CFO and CTO is thinking that exact thought

      Before doing that, though, you should actually check to make sure that this is true. I know a ton of smaller companies, in the 20-30 person range, that have a poorly paid IT guy and would do much better by outsourcing almost everything to people like Dell. Never underestimate how much money even a single person costs a company - its huge.

      --
      You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
    6. Re:ROI by sumdumgai · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. Any good consultant can put together a cost/benefit analysis and show the Total Cost of Ownership or TCO.

      --
      âoeIn theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not." â Albert Einstein
  25. What is the best way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?

    One word: Sabotage.

    It worked great for the used-car dealer I used to work for. I started with them in 1995 - same problem, everything done on paper - their "computer guy" had started entering all new deals into an old 486 that was laying around using some antiquated software just 3 months before I was hired. By sabotaging that poor 486, I was able to get enough money out of the tight-wad owner to buy a few computers, setup a network, and get software that was actually useable and upgradeable.

  26. Re:Step 1: Create an IT Department... by Billosaur · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Step 2: Launch a harmless virus, fix it, and then show your superiors what could have happened if you didn't catch it in time. This will ensure the need for your services.

    In the words of Darth Vader, "it is unwise to lower your defenses." Drop the firewall; stop updating the anti-virus. Spend more time on /. until the network begins grinding to a halt. Shuffle from machine to machine, fixing each one slowly and deliberately. Don't answer the phone, pages, or emails. And get your résumé in shape, but forget about expecting a good reference.

    You can't make them understand if they don't already. An IT infrastructure doesn't just spring up full-blown overnight and this cobbled together system you're trying to run is inherently unstable. Without any controls and with no support staff, you can't hope to cope.

    --
    GetOuttaMySpace - The Anti-Social Network
  27. What you want doesn't matter by qwijibo · · Score: 1

    Being a sysadmin/programmer type myself, I can relate to the type of situation you are in. Management is not likely to be swayed into your way of thinking. If you want to affect change, you need to understand what motivates them and offer solutions to those problems. I doubt those problems will match the list you have. I find no end of frustration in trying to convince management of things I think are important. They're really simple creatures - they are motivated by money. If you can phrase your proposals in terms of how much money it will make or save, you can get their attention.

    Another problem is that management rarely looks inwards for innovative solutions. Even though they are the ones who prevent progress by not allocating the resources, they believe that if their own people could solve their problems, it would have already been done. Bring in a consultant to look at the current situation and make suggestions as to how to make improvements. I'm a consultant in Phoenix, where are you?

    1. Re:What you want doesn't matter by RiotNrrd · · Score: 1

      If you want to affect change, you need to understand what motivates them and offer solutions to those problems.

      But I don't know *anything* about how to help them improve their golf swing!

  28. Irreplaceability. by UESMark · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just explain to your boss that if things continue the way they are now the company will be SOL if you get hit by a bus or catch the flu. Make it clear that you are not threatening them, but are just concerned that you are a critical piece of infrastructure. It makes them a) appreciate you and b) cognizant of the danger of the current system.

    1. Re:Irreplaceability. by mrtroy · · Score: 1

      Here is the reality of the situation. We are getting a biased opinion from someone explaining how "irreplaceable" he is.

      This guy could be having trouble completing his job because he lacks the skills required. It could be taking him 2 days per workstation to get it on the network.

      I strongly suggest this guy does not kick up a storm and claim he is critical and needs more assistance before he considers how good he really is at his job. Plugging network cables in does not make you critical.

      --
      [I can picture a world without war, without hate. I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it]
  29. Best Practise by PinkyDead · · Score: 1

    Doing bad things like not answering your phone, or setting fire to your servers is not a good idea.

    Identifying and implementing best practise procedures and strategies, however, is. Establish (correct) procedures for doing things, take time to develop these procedures and ensure that they are followed every time.

    e.g 'Procedure for adding new employee'...
    Take your time writing it and write it well. And always follow it.

    1. If someone asks you to do something, you are legitimately busy creating best practise procedure.
    2. Management cannot deny your need to operate under best practise conditions - especially if you are working for the govt.
    3. You will need more people to manage this - and if your procedures are good they will be easy to take on.

    You can do this to whatever extent you like i.e last 2 hours of the day is spent creating procedure documents, or you spend all day doing it.

    --
    Genesis 1:32 And God typed :wq!
  30. I've had the same problem by arcsine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At the place at which I work I have the same problem. The department has dwindled from about 6 to 3, and the third guy just put in his two weeks. Thankfully, I've been able to convince the owner that we need at least one more person. I compiled a list of all things we do on a daily/weekly/monthly/yearly basis, plus all the projects that the rest of the company wanted done. Then I estimated the hours it would take to do all of this.

    When I showed him with 2 guys that I could just keep things running at the status quo - no projects, no improvements - he saw the need for another guy. We're still not going to get the skill I would like - but at least it'll be another useful body.

    I suggest you do the same. Along with documenting when things do go wrong - for yourself - and to present to management. You have to show them that it is because you are doing your job that they do not notice problems or downtime.

    In addition - make sure to establish policy and procedure for interacting with the IS/IT department as soon as possible - otherwise you'll be bothered constantly and will never get anything done.

    I hold a weekly "user" meeting where I let people know what I'm working on, what issues are still open, etc. The key is communication.

  31. Dude, Haven't You Watched Any Disaster Movie? by Doug+Dante · · Score: 1

    Make a major presentation to the board predicting a disaster, and outline the steps needed to avert that disaster.

    Then the penny-pinching, overweight, business-friendly, man in a suit scowls at you can calls you a fool.

    Then the disaster hits, you make a few recommendations to get them going, and then you run off to save your kid or girlfriend.

    Seriously, predict a specific disaster, request resources, get denied, then watch that disaster unfold. You will be free of blame, and you will get your resources.

    But make sure that you get specific commitments from management in the middle of the disaster, and not after you've fixed it. Gratitude fades very quickly.

    --
    The world will not get better through technology. We must seek to be better people.
    1. Re:Dude, Haven't You Watched Any Disaster Movie? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Seriously, predict a specific disaster, request resources, get denied, then watch that disaster unfold. You will be free of blame, and you will get your resources.

      What planet do you live on? Do something like that and you'll be seen as the cause of whatever disaster you predicted, evidence or no.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  32. Ignore the ignorant posters, please... by cavemanf16 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Process change is a tough thing to do in any company, because people like the status quo - it's comfortable and "known" to them. But you can accomplish change if your superiors see the bottom line needs for it.

    My suggestion is get a simple book on change, perferably something on Six Sigma practices. Something like this book from Amazon (or elsewhere, it's not a referrer link) would be appropriate for you I think: Lean Six Sigma for Service : How to Use Lean Speed and Six Sigma Quality to Improve Services and Transactions.

    The key things to focus on to get management to see your plight is to determine a way to measure your current state (how long does it take to perform workstation maintenance per day, per week, per month? How much time is spent doing any kind of security auditing? How many security incidents have you had this year? etc.), and then present suggestions for improvement on your current state as your expected future state that will SAVE THEM MONEY. This is always what business cares about: making or saving money! So if by being able to hire a clerk or tech to offload some of your current responsibilities it will save you company twice as much as the tech's salary per year, you've just proven the obvious and glaring need to do just that.

    Also, provide them with a documented measurement startegy for the future to ensure that their investment in another employee is benefitting the bottom line.

    If management still says no, and you've clearly made the case that another body is necessary to help you out in your current position, keep yourself open to the possibility that another company can use your help more than your current employer. Healthy companies are open to change when its needed. Unhealthy companies bury their head in the sand and cannot look past maintaining the status quo.

    1. Re:Ignore the ignorant posters, please... by HikingStick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're on the right track here. Try to quanitfy how much more efficient you will be if you can offload the common tasks on an administrative support person. If you are not already capturing detailed time data, do so. Take that in, letting management know you are spending x hours per period/month/year on task a, task b, task c, etc. on tasks that normally can be handled by other personnel. Then pull out typical job descriptions for such junior roles (many State employment sites list common job titles and associated duties) and show them how much money they can save by hiring the jr-level staffer. Of course, make sure you clearly define what you will be doing with all of your "extra" time, but that should get you on the right path.

      --
      I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
    2. Re:Ignore the ignorant posters, please... by a.d.trick · · Score: 1

      Why did this get modded up? It is a referer link, the sleazy parent was lying.

      www.amazon.com/gp/product/0071418210/qid=1135006 496/sr=8-7/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i7_xgl14/103-6011839-399 4210?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

    3. Re:Ignore the ignorant posters, please... by cavemanf16 · · Score: 1

      Because I didn't login to Amazon, so no, I'm not lying. Just because it has that portion in the link doesn't mean I make money off of it. Besides, go there yourself and search for the book. I gave the title. Sheesh!

  33. the core.. by joeldg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First thing, does this company really need an IS dept? or do they just need someone who runs around fixing things?

    If they indeed do 'need' an IS dept, update your resume and then:

    you need to come up with a "dire" consequences sceanario, then write up quotes and at least double to triple them (that way you might get your needed funds).. If needed, make something break, multiple times, just to show how crippled they are, blame the guy who left and explain you have been forced to use 'this junk'.. Have a handy quote in your desk drawer that you had got "a while back" and have a few spare good resumes around that have recently come in.. Use lots of acronyms (yes, technobabbling someone is low but when their eyes glaze over you can insert a lot of 'ideas' in there..) but most of all, make them think it is their idea.

    show them what the competition is doing, explain that they are being outmoded. using fear to compel them to 'upgrade' is a great. of course, it is their idea..

    don't get too chicken little about it, but show them what a bofh is and force your ideas through, of course though, it is their idea you can just be the "go-to guy"..

    -or-

    if the above fails, use that updated resume and go to a company with an IS dept, otherwise they are determined to use an 'abacus' and are doomed to live in the past..

  34. Single point of failure by CodeShark · · Score: 4, Informative
    Sounds to me like you are doing your job well, and are the 'single point of failure' critical resource. Which translates to a) job security in that you are the only point where things can be fixed, and b)job overload, because a one man IT department has to keep up with every change on every workstation and entry point into the network (including software, printers, modems, net connections, etc.) and the points of attack or network/application corruption problems are multiplying faster than a single person can possibly track, unless the company is hopelessly mired in '80s technology.

    My suggestion? Management won't pay for insurance against threats that they don't understand. Do a 'Net search and find white papers which show how other similar sized businesses became vulnerable to major IT downtime induced loss of revenue, and/or were sued for major amounts of money because they didn't face the threat sources in time and data was stolen, etc.

    If a good presentation using those papers doesn't work, suggest that for Sarbonnes/Oxley regulatory compliance, they need an IT audit, and discuss the single point of failure problem with the auditor.

    Finally, if none of the above work, update the resume and get a couple of good job offers in hand, then request a large $$ increase in wage to stay, or leave. There are no other choices.

    --
    ...Open Source isn't the only answer -- but it's almost always a better value than the alternatives...
    1. Re:Single point of failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And do not forget that since they are doing government contracts, the whistleblower hotline (800-572-2249) to let them know about the lack of network security, updated virus definitions, configuration management, and other such things that typical government contracts mandate.

      If you time it correctly, you can call in before you leave the company and then argue that you left because your advancement opportunities were curtailed. With a little luck a lawyer can argue that the complaint contributed to your need to leave.

    2. Re:Single point of failure by berbo · · Score: 1
      Sounds to me like you are doing your job well, and are the 'single point of failure' critical resource.

      ..... Management won't pay for insurance against threats that they don't understand.

      Good point. In other words, present a cost/benefit analysis to management.

      cost = your budget (staff, computers, consultants, software)

      benefit = (avoided cost of systems crashing) x (probability of systems crashing)

      Make sure you point out how each item you ask for reduces the probability of a crash.

  35. Been there, feel for you... by ursabear · · Score: 1

    I've been there before - almost exactly the same situation at a small-town weekly newspaper.

    I must say that there is no one size works for everything solution to your issue. However, even in the most draconian and Luddite-ian (:D) business structure, money talks.

    Modernizing IT will save the company money in the long run. Try to find a way to distill some proposed figures that can be expressed in a short, less-than-one-page summary. I don't recommend the gloom-and-doom approach. I do recommend the "you employ me to make sure this company is profitable, so I need you to take advantage of my knowlege and experience" approach.

    What worked for me at the newspaper? I brought in a fully configured pair of networked computers containing up-to-date software and put on a demo, then handed them a cost-of-business summary.

  36. How to fix things... by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 1

    Having worked for a government contractor myself, here are a few tips:

    1. Don't expect change overnight. If there is one too true stereotype of govt. contractors, it's that maintaining the status quo is the most important thing to do. These people have to be coaxed and coddled to change.

    2. With that in mind, money talks pretty loud with them also. Put together a white paper detailing what NEEDS to be done. Outline how much it's oging to cost, but then outline the net present value and/or internal rate of return of projected savings. Managers like numbers and percentages to justify change. For example, I too was frustrated by what my employer was doing in their IT department. They also were doing a lot of things by paper, and by implementing a web application to automate a lot of what they were doing, I was able to save them not only hundreds of dollars in paper EACH MONTH, I was also saving thousands of dollars in employee work hours. Instead of having the employees wasting so much time shuffling paper, they could put their skills to better use in benefitting the company.

    Hope that helps!

    --
    We're all hypocrites. We all have hidden parts, it's the contrast between them that make us more a hypocrite than others
  37. No offense but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First thing you have to learn is how to speak/write in a way that doesn't annoy people. Repeating yourself is a quick way to cause people to stop listening. It tends to cause them to shut the listening side of the brain down. They just look at you in a daze to acknowledge you but they aren't listening.

    I'm not trying to be insulting, but the above paragraph was written to make a point. Got kinda annoyed by the last sentence, eh? Delivery is the key to ANY proposal. I'm not the greatest speaker and I've done the same thing several times. I can almost literally see the eyes of the person I'm speaking to glaze over when that happens and I know I've lost them.

    They key is to say what needs to be said, add and example, and move on. If they don't understand something let them ask questions about it. If you have to, even stop and ask them if they have any questions. Just make absolutely sure you don't hammer on the same point repeatedly. It can even be taken as an insult to their intelligence by them and that will even make it harder to get the point across.

  38. Easy! by scovetta · · Score: 1

    1. Ask management to hire a tech and a clerk to help you
    2. ????
    3. Profit!

    I'm pretty sure that 2 might consist of you threatening to leave unless you get some help. If they are really dependent upon you, it might jar their attention. Also, if you have so much experience, you could probably find another job without too much of a problem.

    Alternatively, you could try optimizing your processes -- spend an extra 5% of your time each week on reducing or eliminating the biggest time hogs.

    --
    Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
  39. Back in the day by Kawahee · · Score: 1

    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?

    Back in the day I invented things like the Y2K bug. Like who doesn't know that time is stored as a 32 bit integer?

    Oh well, time to release the Y2038 integer overflow bug, because in 33 years we'll all be stuck in 32 bit processing. Well, at least management doesn't know that.

    --
    I'll subscribe to Slashdot when I see a month without a dupe, a typo, or an article the "editors" didn't read.
  40. Use "simple" words by oliderid · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Avoid tech slang at any cost.

    Propose your plan. A well documented document. Describe all the potential failures the current network may face and the potential dammages. Don't go too much in the details. Use simple sentences, with the potential dammage clearly indentified.

    Define the rules you would like to apply.

    For each rule, set the goal. Tell them simply and clearly why the rule should be applied and what do you want to avoid.

    They arenn't technicians. But they are smart. Simply use words they will understand.

    If you tell them that without any backup for the mail server, the company may face up to 4 days without emails, they will understand.
    If you tell them that the pop server is using outdated hardware and there is probabily that the hardisk may break. Most won't understand.

    Don't send the report without any "face to face" introduction, try to organize meetings. If you are unable to put them all in the same room at the same time, try to meet them one by one in their office, and finish your "lobbying" by emails.

    Once the executives boards is convinced by the neccessity, define a step by step plan. Don't try to change everything in the same week. Propose it and negociate it.

    Once you've got their agreement. Try to make a mailing list and explain clearly to the employees why you will perfom the change and when. Invite them to ask any question they want.

    Olivier

  41. If it ain't broke, don't fix it by JamminBen · · Score: 1

    That's the mindset of your boss. The only way you'll get any relief is if things start breaking. Unfortunately, it will be seen as a deficiency on your part. I would start looking for the exit.

  42. Disaster by RobFrontier · · Score: 1

    First, it seems to me the point 1 and point 2 conflict with each other. Are you saying that management see's connectivity as your only function or you do? For the most part, company's only see IT as necessary until a disaster strikes, or you have made yourself valuable. I would start by showing the benefits of a centralized database. If everything is in Access, move it to SQL server, or DB2, and write some helpful reports. Of course this might be problematic if they want authorize the funding for purchasing a real database platform. I suppose you could use a trial version. I wouldn't use the other suggestions of creating your own downtime or disaster though. That is counter productive, and unethical (not to mention creates more work for yourself). You definetely have your work cut out for you. I'm really curious as to the company, as I'm an IT worker in Flagstaff email me if you don't mind releasing that info off the board.

  43. Management only responds to a catastrophe by SilverJets · · Score: 1

    I find most management types have no clue about computers, networks, software or anything IT related. All they know is money, so they only ever respond if there is a catastrophe that affects the flow of money.

    I am not saying that you should cause something to happpen, but maybe you will luck out and something will happen that will cause the network to crash and prevent work from getting done. Then they will listen to your requests for staffing.

    Or, take a vacation out of the country with no cell phone or pager on you. Make it for as long as you can but definitely no shorter thatn 3 weeks. They'll be ready to listen to you when you get back.

  44. Be smart about this by clawhound · · Score: 1
    You just wrote this up. That's a good first step. Next, go to your boss, and say, "I've been thinking about our IT needs and I want to chat about them." Don't talk about you. Lay out the challenges that you see before you. Lay out your limitations of your time. Demonstrate that hiring more employees will add value to the IT infrastructure. Work at it. Take his input. Get his support. Make him an ally. Prioritize. Focus on the changes that you can make and can do, and get payoff for your work. Learn the other people you need support from.

    Your job, as the information person, is to demonstrate, in business terms, the worth of your proposals.

    If you can't take this to your boss straight off, try taking this to another business savy person who can help you to translate your tech speak into busness speak, and help you learn the human processes necessary to make these changes.

  45. remarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "1) The main job of IS is connectivity. Connectivity is the core of why we have IS. Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it." The main job of IS is enhancing and supporting business objectives. The job of IS/IT is derives from management's business objectives. "2) IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary. IS is involved with other divisions when physical products get connected to the network, but not before. Software should be evaluated by IS only when it becomes necessary for purchase and implementation, not before. Any developed piece of software (we have an in-house programmer in accounting who uses Access -- I know, I know...) should be evaluated by IS when the software is ready to install." Any developers should either report directly to IS/IT or be part of an IS/IT committee. IS/IT involvement in development must take place from the beginning. When developers only work for specific departments their management gives them tunnel vision. They only meet the demands of the department and in companies with multiple developers they may lack "the big picture" that IS/IT often looks at. Regular discussion amongst IS/IT and all developers helps give everyone a sense of the big picture. "3)I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority) on my own. My proposal stated the need for the creation of staff (a tech and a clerk). Management thinks because things are running, I have no issues, but I'm falling apart from all I have to do to keep things running. I need to offset the load so I can do more of the 'bigger picture' things to help guide this company out of the IS dark ages. (We have no CTO or CIO; Management is made up of engineers from different disciplines)." If you act like a manager, you'll often get treated like one. This gets more difficult the longer you've worked somewhere. First impressions are the most important. Talk to management like a manager. Talk to them on their level, demonstrate confidence and a mastery of your field. Find out what management's objective is and then show them how you can apply IS/IT to contribute to and even exceed their expectations. Once you can contribute to the business like a manager they'll treat you like one. Along typically comes the extra clout you need to perform the job. Management needs to trust your insight.

  46. redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    take vacation()

    if [ all hell has broken loose ]
    then profit()
    else quit()
    fi

  47. Leave... by moorley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What... Are you still there?

    LEAVE!

    Problem solved.

    That was the short answer. The long answer:

    I read an article a few months back that linked emotions to an evolutionary form of fast judgement making. The point? Trust your gut. If they haven't given you what they promised they would give you within the first few months in the last few years, leave. It may be your hairstyle, your sense of humor or they just don't like you. Get over it. Play the odds and find a new position with a new company that says they will give you what you feel you deserve, and trust you gut. If you think you are being lied to in the interview then continue to play the odds and find the job you want. Or don't.

    Decision is yours. Enjoy.

    --
    "Don't fear death... fear not living..." -me :)
  48. Where to start.... by sammy+baby · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Can you institute change? Maybe. But you're going to have to start with you.

    (I'm assuming that the acronym IS stands for Information Services. I would've said IT, but that's a quibble. If you meant something different, please disregard everything I'm about to say.)

    1) The main job of IS is connectivity. Connectivity is the core of why we have IS. Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it.

    The main job of IS is keeping the system running. Any technical issue that prevents someone from doing their job is yours. This alone should be enough to convince your management that a lone guy in an office isn't going to be sufficient support for your organization.

    You're correct in that it's a mistake to view computing as just another facilities issue. However, that doesn't mean that it doesn't reach the same level of importance, and simply put, there's nobody else whose job it is to fix it. That means it's yours. (Or at least, that's what I'd be saying if I were your boss.)

    2) IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary. IS is involved with other divisions when physical products get connected to the network, but not before. Software should be evaluated by IS only when it becomes necessary for purchase and implementation, not before. Any developed piece of software (we have an in-house programmer in accounting who uses Access -- I know, I know...) should be evaluated by IS when the software is ready to install.

    See, you think this is what you want. Trust me, it's not. Otherwise, you can find yourself in the situation I was in, with a rack full of Linux servers and a department chair demanding to know why the $10K+ Windows-only web app he just bought isn't gonna run.

    3)I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority) on my own.

    You're absolutely right about being overloaded, but you appear to be laboring under the misconception that a "Systems Administrator" is usually a management position. In my experience, it almost never is, unless by chance you tack the word "Senior" to the front, and even then the only people you'll manage are other Systems Administrators.

    My proposal stated the need for the creation of staff (a tech and a clerk). Management thinks because things are running, I have no issues, but I'm falling apart from all I have to do to keep things running. I need to offset the load so I can do more of the 'bigger picture' things to help guide this company out of the IS dark ages. (We have no CTO or CIO; Management is made up of engineers from different disciplines)

    Your management will likely be unsympathetic, but you're not without hope. What I'd do is to brief them on the three biggest issues you're facing. Each brief should be about a minute in length, and all three should be delivered back-to-back. Each one should follow the structure: "this is the problem; here are the consequences of not addressing it; here is what i will need to address it." The trick: the third should be, "My time is fully committed just keeping what we have now together; if left unaddressed, neither the previous two issues, nor the multiple issues haven't mentioned, can be accomplished, resulting in the failure of X, Y, and Z; hire me another tech and an administrative assistant and give me some time to get them up to speed."

    Best of luck.
    1. Re:Where to start.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd almost given up hope for /. entirely, but your post is the only one in the bunch that shows any insight.

      The biggest missive in the question being asked is the rants about only being involved in specific instances. The worst thing you can do is isolate IT from the rest of the business. Rather, you should try to get *more* involved in every project. In addition to being able to head off disasters, it gives you the opportunity to shape the business into areas that benefit you.

      On the other hand, maybe I should encouriage the slew of slashdrivel that immediately cries out "dust off your resume and get out!" It certainly provides more opportunities for the rest of us...

  49. I here you loud and clear! by Static-MT · · Score: 1

    I work in the private club industry and find myself in many of the situations you describe. Recently, our facilities manager and general manager sought out an analog security camera solution. Conviently, it was supposed to plug into our (my) network. The analog signal was supposed to go "through" our switches and to a central computer that was going to require a VPN connection (through an already crowded internet connection) so that our management could spy on people at home. Again, this was to be my responsibility. It was obvious to me that things weren't going to work out in that capacity.

    I could have told them this before they spent the $10,000 to put in the cameras, but... They ended up running thousands of feet of new lines, adding additional cost and blowing their budget.

    Same thing happened when we put in the network at a newly rennovated facility. We added a $30,000 strike against the bottom line after being completely forgotten. OOPS!!!

    I guess that's what I get for being just "support". I'm rather tired of it.

    I'll cease the rants now... Thanks for listening.

  50. Run the numbers by dmurawsky · · Score: 1

    The best way to convince a boss of anything is to show them the numbers. If you can put something in a cost benefit analysis (CBA) and show how much work you do (A list), they'll be hard pressed to argue. Also, you can talk to them about what happens when you take a vacation, which you want to do because you're overloaded. However, actually running out and doing it, as was previously suggested, might just get you fired. It depends on the place you work, but with government contracts on the line...
    Finally, I'd like to suggest that you re-evaluate IT's (Information Technology) place in your organization. An information system (IS) is, essentially, an integrated set of services and software that makes things easier for the company (IE a transaction processing system, or decision support system). The IT department is usually in charge of maintaining the IS's in a corporate environment and ensuring that they interoperate well with the actual hardware within the company. Having the ability to review software during the selection process to ensure that it integrates well into your environment is something that should be mandatory. Also, and IT department is not *just* about connectivity. It's about integration and support of all information systems from that database programmer in accounting all the way to the boss's hotsync software.
    Good luck,
    -D

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  51. Read my full post... by thebdj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am a firm believer that almost all IT work can be broken down into 3 major groups: Hardware, Software and Network. With that in mind let us proceed with further discussion.

    The easiest to deal with is probably the hardware. The key of course is to keep items under warranty with proper replacement cycles. By doing this the job is pretty simple. If a part of computer X breaks then you can simply call (or use web-based customer service) to receive a replacement part or have someone come out to do the work for you. In my previous place of employ we used Dell hardware on a rotating 3-year cycle. If a warranteed item broke we simply called and had them send out the replacement which we promptly shipped back. The only exception to this was laptops and for those we made them send a service person out, because replacing a motherboard in one of those is not my idea of fun.

    Next up is the software. All software presently in use should be tested on a machine of the desired hardware mentioned above. You will of course have uniformity in machines, because this means you have a lot less problems to worry about. It is the Apple approach, sort of. You will want to be using a single operating system (well maybe two). In this case either Windows 2000 or XP. Build a machine with the specs of all the others and install and test all the software on the machine, once it is running properly, using Symantec Ghost to create images and since you will have the same hardware, you can quickly roll out new machines or re-image bad ones.

    Finally the network. Please tell me they have a properly created network using nice switches and a good hardware firewall. We once found a network closet at a previous place of employ that was connected to the rest of the network with a HUB. Several of us almost died at how horribly setup this was. You are dealing with a small number of computers so I do not expect you to have several grand worth of networking equipment. So long as this is maintained properly, it should never really be a problem.

    Now, how do you sell them on changes being necessary? First off, if you have sporadic and out of warranty hardware, be sure they are perfectly aware that if the machine(s) die that it could take several days or weeks to replace. I know this might be a huge overestimate, but it will give them an idea of the sort of down time that a user could face.
    Next, do a similar survey of the software. Also if you can verify the licenses on everything. If you find any missing licenses tell them of the ramifications and be sure to give them the worst case scenario. We had an instance like this at my last job and several people were upset when they were cut off from software, but at several thousand dollars per license, the company was willing to make a huge deal out of it with us. Any software that is out of warranty also must go or be removed from the network. So those NT4 and 9x machines you might have running around (I hope you don't), need to be taken care of. Once again a proper explanation might do the trick.

    Remember, no matter what all management always wants productivity. So if you show how their system can result in losses of productivity, not only for you but for users, they are more willing to consider change. The key of a good IT department is always going to be to maximize uptime and minimize downtime.

    One final suggestion, request the power to hire and fire. Then remind them of reasonable salary expectations. I am not sure what they are paying you, but a true IT manager should be making 70k or more and good staff at least 40-50k. If you convince them of this, well give me a call because I know a thing or two about straightening out IT departments, I helped fix two of them before I finally started getting engineering jobs.

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    1. Re:Read my full post... by asuffield · · Score: 1

      "...and a good hardware firewall"

      Such devices exist?

      You can certainly get 'good routers' with filtering capabilities, and you can build a 'good firewall' out of a linux box, so long as your traffic is not unreasonably huge. But I can't think of any device which I would normally describe as a 'hardware firewall' that is anything but 'nasty junk'.

    2. Re:Read my full post... by thebdj · · Score: 1

      What do you mean 'nasty junk'? There are stand-alone hardware firewalls, but I believe most anymore are finding their way into other networking devices. Afterall, why have a router and firewall as two separate parts when you can combine the two together. The Hardware vs. Software firewall debate is one I have heard a great many times including a few on slashdot. Of course, both appear to have their ups and downs but as a government contracting company they should be running both (because redundancy never hurt anyone in security).

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    3. Re:Read my full post... by wkitchen · · Score: 1

      I think what he meant by "hardware firewall" is a dedicated machine, either purchased as an appliance or built as you describe, as opposed to firewall software running on individual users' computers.

    4. Re:Read my full post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um, yeah, they exist. Try getting serious (1Gbps+) throughput out of a Linux based firewall box. It probably isn't going to happen. Serious hardware firewalls have things like custom ASICs to do the 'meat of the work', leaving only management tasks and "special cases" (think IPv6, multicast, etc.) to the general purpose CPU. All other filtering is done in dedicated hardware that you're homebrew Linux box doesn't have.

      Think things like Net Screen or even Cisco PIX (honestly, I'm not sure if any/all PIX use ASICs or not)

  52. Steps by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1
    1. Prepare resume
    2. Make everyone who needs your time take a number.
    3. Start clocking in at 9am and leaving at 5pm
    4. After a few weeks, take the queue to upper management to demonstrate the need for more people

    Of course, management may hire a manager to manage you.

    Remember - The floggings will continue until moral improves
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  53. Terrorists!!! by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 1

    Look around at what other "managers" are doing to get thier way and follow that lead.

    It seems the US "manager" has found a solid plan for conviencing others what "needs" to be done. Learn that lesson and upon your next meeting explain that if they don't allow you to implement the needed changes then the terrorists win!

    bye-bye karma ;-)

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  54. Consider Hiring an Intern by J.+T.+MacLeod · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's what helped us get out from some load.

    My boss scouted at a local high school for a bright, trainable student with some PC experience. We threw him at some simple jobs that were eating up our time.

    We were able to make some large changes with him doing the footwork. He had a relatively easy job with good direction and excellent education, and left with a resume and references that any of his peers would have killed for.

    1. Re:Consider Hiring an Intern by VdG · · Score: 1

      We've had a lot of very good people from sandwich courses. (Four-year computing degrees including one year working in industry.) They'd cost a bit more than interns, (which we don't really have in the UK) but come with more training and are usually enthusiastic and keen to be involved in anything you care to throw at them.

  55. Adapt or Leave by mslinux · · Score: 1

    I faced a similar situation about 3 years ago. I moved from a formal IT shop that had a lot of control within its company to a one man IT shop that had little or no control in the company. The pay was a lot better and the atmosphere was more relaxed so I stayed.

    At first, it was difficult. I wanted the new company to adjust to me and my IT background. But that was stressful for me and the new company. They wanted me to relax and blend in with their way of doing things. I did that. Things are great now. I came from an environement that was proactive.... we tested, planned, installed, tested more, benchmarked, tweaked, etc. The new company is _reactionary_... we handle stuff as it comes up because IT is not our focus it's something that's along for the ride.

    My old friends from the controlling IT department can't stand the thought of the way the new company handles IT. They tell me that they'd quit immediately if they did not have complete and total control over every portion of IT within the company. I've learned to like it. It works well for us and others.

    Get rid of your controlling IT/IS attitude and blend in with your company. If you want to do things differerntly, get another job that has a controlling IT department with clout or start your own company.

  56. Oh, the memories... by ah.clem · · Score: 1

    I spent a year of my life creating technology plans that never got implemented for a company in the Pacific - it was one of the most frustrating years of my working life. After about 9 months it became obvious that no one on the board that ran the operation was willing to commit to any of the ideas they asked for - if something didn't work as planned they would lose major face. They still refused to implement after a consultant from the US mainland came in and evaluated the much revised plan and suggested that it was too conservative but should still be started immediately.

    Life is too short to let people that can't give up control or don't really trust you to do a job they hired you to do wear you down. Cut your losses and find a place to work that is looking for someone with your skill set - you can lose time and skills trying to teach a pig to sing.

    ah.clem

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  57. History tends to repeat itself by PDP1134 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It sounds like you are having the same problems that we had back in the 70s and 80s when companies who's product wasn't IT related (we called it MIS back then) couldn't accept the concept of why a good IT infrastructure was important.

    I went through several companies back then where I was either the first or one of the first people on staff when the IT department was created. The problem really isn't that you need an IT staff but that since you came up through the ranks you aren't really being respected. This is a problem that is not unique to our industry.

    Unfortunately, I found several times that the only way to deal with the problem of respect for your skills was to leave. At your next job, your background is that you formed the IT department at your previous company (even though it was only you), and you built their network from nothing to roughly 100 users. True, jobs aren't as plentiful as they have been at other times, but the industry is not as bad as it has been and you might need to consider this option.

    If it is safe to make the assumption that you are also not being paid a salary equal to the work you are doing start with that. Tell them that you are doing three jobs and that you want to be paid for at least two of them. They will either a) give you a raise, b) laugh off your comments or c) fire you. If they fire you then you've got a valid case against them for wrongful termination -- especially since they work with government contracts and have to adhere to higher employment standards than other companies.

    If they laugh off your comments then they obviously don't have the ability to ever learn to respect you. That when you take the resume that you updated TODAY and start sending out copies.

    But if they do offer to give you a raise, ask the followup question: and when does my assistant start so that someone is doing the third job now that you are paying me for the first two?

    Believe it or not, that actually worked for me once. Unfortunately, five years later when there were ten people in the department they decided to replace me with two kids fresh out of college that they could get for half of what they were paying me. I was closing in on 30, which even in the 1980s was starting to be considered over the hill as a programmer. ARGH!!!!!!

    And don't rip up the resume if they give you a raise and an assistant. I learned that lesson the hard way back in 1981 when I got the raise and then was squeezed out a few months later after they thought that my newly appointed assistant knew enough to do the job. He didn't, but he did do something that I didn't do when I left. When he was fired three months later he wiped out all the source code from the production system libraries and erased the backup system disks (this was on a Data General M600 with the old 20lb zebra drives). They had to call me and pay a ton of money for me to come in and restore everything.

  58. Propose internal charge rate for IT usages by shinghei · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what your company's internal accounting system looks like, but from what you've describe, it seems to be treating your department as a cost center and all the IT expenses as general overhead. Have you thought about using an accounting system such that you the other departments get charged a certain rate per managed node / number of call / qualified software package? There are two advantages: 1) Department heads will now be more conscious of the cost and will think twice before asking you to setup 20 computers. This creates disincentives for managers to abuse your department's resources; 2) You manage the profit and loss of the IS department and therefore should have more freedom to hire more people as long as your department is showing black, not red.

  59. Schedule sheets and VMWare by SysKoll · · Score: 4, Informative
    You should point out that compliance with government regulation (especially for contractors) requires a good IS system. Otherwise, sooner or later, you'll have to supply records that you don't have. Talk with your accountants, see what they need.

    I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority) on my own.

    Your best friend is the schedule sheet. Such a sheet has the week's calendar detailed down to the half hour. If someone asks you to deworm a PC or deTrojan a Windows laptop, get your schedule sheet and book the next available 2 hours. Block time in advance for other sysadmin duties. Full schedule? Just tell the user his PC will be dewormed next month. When you have a few dissatisfied users, bring your ultra-full, scribbled schedule sheet to management and use it to prove you need help. DON'T DO UNCOMPENSATED OVERTIME. Take vacations, preferably on short notice. You don't have a backup? Well, ain't that too bad. Think you could hire one, boss?

    As a rule of thumb, you need one full time person per 30 Windows PCs, plus one guy to cover for vacation and such. I don't know how you can keep up with a hundred Windows machines to maintain by yourself.

    If your boss wants to save on sysadmin salaries, he can move his users to Linux PCs, with critical programs (e.g., macro-ridden Excel spreadsheets) running on Windows images under VMWare. Inside the image, have apps save to network drives (Samba is your friend), not to C:. Archive the images, they are just large files in Linux. When the Windows image catches a virus, just restore a fresh version from your storage server instead of spending hours fixing the Windows crap. You'd be amazed at how much time this little trick saves. Users have their Windows apps and you have manageable systems, everyone is happy.

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    1. Re:Schedule sheets and VMWare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1:30 ratio? Damn.. I'm holding on at a 135:1 ratio on windows, and 15:1 on servers and doing just fine...

    2. Re:Schedule sheets and VMWare by ocbwilg · · Score: 1

      As a rule of thumb, you need one full time person per 30 Windows PCs, plus one guy to cover for vacation and such. I don't know how you can keep up with a hundred Windows machines to maintain by yourself.

      Nonsense. If your system is well designed and well managed, a single PC tech or admin can cover far more than 30 PCs. Where I work we are managing about 250 PCs (all Windows XP) and 30 servers (Windows, RedHat, and AIX), plus netowrking equipment, with only 1 PC tech and 1 network admin (me). Granted, we're about to hire a second PC tech, but that's still 4 times the number of PCs that you mentioned being managed per tech.

    3. Re:Schedule sheets and VMWare by SysKoll · · Score: 1
      True, if your users are disciplined and you have a budget for automation. I guess it depends how much discipline your users are ready to abide to and how much automation you have. If you have an automatic system in place for detecting worms and unpatched PCs, as well as a network policy that disconnects unpatched or wormed up machines, then the admin-to-PC ratio comes closer to what you mention. But the author here sounds like he's in a much less comfy situation.

      I've seen places where bigwigs routinely connected their laptops to random wireless links in airports, homes or hotel rooms, then brought back a dozen viruses and worms to their company's network. You can imagine how the bigwigs liked being told that they were the cause of the damage. If you don't have that kind of timesinks in your place, then you're in much better conditions than most small shop"s sysadmins out there.

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    4. Re:Schedule sheets and VMWare by Morrigu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      240:1 servers:admins. Admin = me. I did have a backup, but only in the sense of "help help everthing's on fire and he's out can anyone help?". Elsewhere, I've done 20:1 users:admins w/ mixed NT + Unix workstations, 100:1 users:support staff (30 staff = 8 server admins, 14 helpdesk staff, 8 managers; and yes, that's too many managers), and 10:1 servers:admins in an overstaffed gov't Unix shop. Right now it's something like 50:1 servers:admins for the boxes I'm dealing with.

      Automation is your friend. If you don't know a scripting language, learn one. Hell, spending an hour reading the output of 'help' from an NT command prompt and going through each command to figure out what it does and doesn't do is a good starting point if you're not already familiar with Windows batch files. You're going to have to learn some combination of shell scripting, Perl and Expect in the *nix world. PHP + MySQL are good to know too, for being able to throw up a quick web-based solution to a business problem, or to modify an existing open-source LAMP application to suit your purpose.

      It's doable, and I still have time to spend hacking on side projects, doing additional automation + scripts for other people and departments, writing/customizing reports and reading Slashdot. :)

      Look at ways to reduce or completely eliminate time spent on repetitive tasks. Fewer bigger servers > more smaller servers. Consider your architecture in terms of what users need to do and how to do that for the least possible effort and cost. If you have a fast, reliable network and users don't need to run local I/O intensive apps (2D/3D manipulation programs like Photoshop or AutoCAD are classic examples) on their desks, look at using Citrix or Tarantella or NoMachine or SunRays to serve desktops remotely and cut down on admin costs for supporting apps. Put data in a central location and BACK IT UP. Databases are good. Performance monitoring is good. Centralized management is good. But remember that not all solutions work for all environments, remember to be flexible and aware of your organization's needs because the Gods of Good IT Practice won't pay your rent at the end of the month.

      Look at possible points of failure and figure out what it would cost to eliminate or reduce them, and come up with a cost/benefit picture for management. There will be times when management says no, but as long as they recognize that not spending $2k now could lead to a weeklong network outage, then you've at least let them know the consequences.

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    5. Re:Schedule sheets and VMWare by LazloToth · · Score: 1

      Sounds too lean to me. But, then, one has to consider a few other things: number of physical locations (and, thus, number of wide area links), distance between locations, degree of regulatory oversight (and thus, number of audits and paperwork associated with them), gigabytes of data backed up per day, and a few other things. As I've mentioned elsewhere, having adequate staffing is an investment the company makes in its technology engine. A little too much is better than a bit too little where business continuation is concerned. One always has to consider what the impact of something like a virus hit, a flood, or a fire would be. A two- or three-man team handling 250 workstations and 30 servers sounds like a recipe for a poorly documented operation and lots of pain when the inevitable bad day comes. Not much room in there for continuing education, either. YMMV.

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    6. Re:Schedule sheets and VMWare by ocbwilg · · Score: 1

      I've seen places where bigwigs routinely connected their laptops to random wireless links in airports, homes or hotel rooms, then brought back a dozen viruses and worms to their company's network. You can imagine how the bigwigs liked being told that they were the cause of the damage.

      If you keep your PCs patched with current security updates, and you have a decent software firewall or IDS/IPS system installed on the laptop, along with current antivirus definitions, then there should be relatively little risk of bringing something nasty back home. There's still the possibility of sniffing, but VPN software helps there, and that is still much less likely than picking up an infection.

      I do have an advantage in that the company that I work for has only just turned 2 years old this month, and I was involved in designing the network and systems from about 6 months before it opened for business. Because of that I was able to build in a lot of security and automation. Still, any company that is willing to make the effort could build similar practices into their network.

      I think that it often times becomes more of an issue of knowledge and ability than anything else. Lots of small shops have management that don't know anything about PCs, so a guy who can configure a Windows 2000 peer to peer network looks impressive and ends up being hired as the network admin. Either that or they contract with someone to come out and fix problems as they occur instead of hiring someone to come out and prevent them from happening in the first place. Of course, in that case management sees an obvious return on their investment, i.e., if they pay someone to come out and fix the problem, they get the problem fixed. But the ROI on having someone good on staff seems like a harder sell (because they don't know what's possible, they don't know what value having good IT people in-house can add).

    7. Re:Schedule sheets and VMWare by ocbwilg · · Score: 1

      A little too much is better than a bit too little where business continuation is concerned. One always has to consider what the impact of something like a virus hit, a flood, or a fire would be. A two- or three-man team handling 250 workstations and 30 servers sounds like a recipe for a poorly documented operation and lots of pain when the inevitable bad day comes.

      If you have good processes that are well documented, DR shouldn't be a problem. You can bring in contractors to help rebuild your environment to spec, restore from backups, or configure PCs from images. IMHO it makes more sense to contract out for when the "inevitable bad day comes" since bad days like that are so rare. In nearly 10 years of IT consulting and staffing, I have only seen one occasion where a customer or employer that I worked with needed to actually use DR procedures, and even then it wasn't a total enterprise failure. Granted, some companies may have higher exposure to risk (the occupants of the former WTC, or New Orleans for example) which is multiplied by the scarcity of available resources to contract from in the event of a widespread disaster. But many (most?) businesses are at a much lower risk of encountering such an event, let alone total loss from the event.

    8. Re:Schedule sheets and VMWare by k12linux · · Score: 1

      If your network is a hodge-podge of deal-of-the-day PCs with whatever OS they shipped with (as it sounds like the poster's is) then a 100:1 ratio can be completely unmanagable.

      We run roughly 350:1 for Windows workstations here and 40:1 for servers (me being the server/network admin.) I doubt I could pull off 40:1 if the servers were all Windows boxes but fortunately most are Linux or Netware and don't require a lot of babysitting.

      Doing 350:1, even with a very locked-down environment and standardized PCs and system images is still borderline insanity. We keep most stuff running but are constantly putting out fires. If we had a variety of different hardware and uncontrolled software it would be a nightmare.

      To get out of the "putting out fires" mode I recommend

      1) Get consistent with your PCs. If you have to buy a bunch. Get decent quality and the same model. Plus at least one "spare" PC per 100 in use.
      2) Get consistent with software. Create a "base" image with the OS, networking and any programs you have licensed for the entire organization.
      3) Take control of software. While it's a PITA for users get a policy of software is only installed by IS if you want it supported. But then be quick responding to requests. Record every program installed and which station(s) it's put on. If you have larger groups running similar sets of programs create another image (sales image, engineering image, etc.)
      4) Get users saving EVERYTHING on the network. Use profiles to default thier "profile" and My Documents folders to their network home directory somewhere. Roaming profiles in this environment are your freind.

      After you've done that, never fix anything but the simplest of problems at the user's location. If you think a fix is going to take you longer than ghosting an image (and possibly re-installing some apps special to that PC) then ghost it.

      If ghosting it doesn't fix it then replace it with your spare and take it back to your own office and find out what piece of hardware is causing the problem. Replace the part when you get it from the vendor and hold onto that PC as your new "spare."

      Get management to buy into all of this by explaining how, if you weren't putting out fires all the time (a time log would be really helpful here!) you could better protect them from viruses, worms and other downtime. If they refuse to even entertain the thought then it might be time to find a new job.

      I've worked places where they were too short-sighted and cheap to do the right thing even when presented with why it made financial sense. (btw, you MUST show how what you want to do affects money. The technical reasons for doing them are irrelevent to most managers.) Anyhow... if you aren't allowed to do that stuff expect to get blamed when the next virus ravishes your network.

    9. Re:Schedule sheets and VMWare by genxgaming · · Score: 1

      250:1? come on, you can do better. 1 system/network/pcTech/programmer/ITmanager/WEBadmi n can easily support 2000 PCs and 400 servers. How you ask? Simple, ignore everything you don't feel like doing, turn off your phone, basically never answer email, and lock your door a lot. Always have consultants work on anything major.

      Sure, many users will have to get used to doing everything by paper again... but you are bound to be in high demand and have plenty of job security. Naturally you'll be lying your ass off about what you are really doing.

      Most days you'll be hiding in some abandoned office surfing the net or in the server room with the door locked working on some obscure project that will only help you... just be sure you answer emails from upper mgt and your boss. Otherwise, nothing to worry about.

      I'd also highly recommend researching some good time-delay email notifications. Make sure they think you are up at 1 AM nearly every night working on major issues. Be creative and random so they don't catch on. Invest time in making scripts that don't do anything, but appears to be doing lots of "self-healing" bullshitness from the users' perspective. When you feel like it, email them the script to "fix their problem". If they complain it didnt work, blame it on them. Try things like "Did you open any weird emails in the last few weeks"? Even if they say no they only deleted them, then you have them: "So you did get some weird emails, huh? Right, those will tear up a PC even if you click on them to delete them." Tell them to do their windows/AV/Java/etc. BS updates... be sure to have a printout or email with cryptic or outdated instructions on how to manually do updates and send it out to anyone who won't give up bothering you.

      Always have about 3-5 computers (with monitors) running at your desk at all times with all sorts of apparent installs and nonsense going on. Have a minimum of 20 windows open on at least one box. One window for pinging things by IP, one for analyzing CPU usage, one for port usage, one for etc. etc. etc. If you feel like it, create a prog/screensaver that has all this recorded and playing. Be sure to physically move around your "I'm working on these" PCs constantly... even if it's just from one desk to another so that it appears you are in constant motion and very productive.

      Always walk quickly and never make eye contact. Bring papers to read while you walk through the hall... if someone asks you something don't stop... just mumble incoherently when you are far enough away. Be sure to sound like you care though! Another option is to call your buddy and talk hardcore techie speak on the cell while moving about among the humans.

      For emergencies, create a fake assistant, and refer everyone to that "person" whenever you accidentally run into people in the hall. Create a canned response and occassionally respond via email from your fake friend.

      Sincerely full of it,

      Mr. The WHOLE IT DEPT at my office

    10. Re:Schedule sheets and VMWare by SysKoll · · Score: 1
      Very, very true. It's hard to quantify the value of bad things not happening.

      If you keep your PCs patched with current security updates, and you have a decent software firewall or IDS/IPS system installed on the laptop, along with current antivirus definitions, then there should be relatively little risk of bringing something nasty back home. There's still the possibility of sniffing, but VPN software helps there, and that is still much less likely than picking up an infection.

      Even so, infections can happen. A few months ago, some spam sneaked under our spam filter radar. A bigwig, who was probably less alert than usual this morning, actually opened the attachment, which contained a worm using an exploit for a just-released Windows vulnerability, so recent that the patch wasn't rolled into our own patch server yet. The worm scrubbed the email address in the browser cache (of course, Bigwig uses IE) and started spamming and replicating. Replication attempts quickly died as antivirus and patches kicked in. And the bigwig was man enough to admit it was his fault. Morale of the story: even with cutting edge automation, you still have "Windows" of vulnerability. Me? I watched the hubbub with the amused smirk of a Linux user.

      Oh, and our confidential Pentagon customers are now in a spammer's email database courtesy of that virus.

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    11. Re:Schedule sheets and VMWare by Tuxedo+Jack · · Score: 1

      Are you _JOKING_? Just 30 systems to a person? You're either insane or friggin' cuckoo.

      Where I work, I have 500+ workstations, 1000+ users, and just little old me to set up, maintain, and monitor the networks and machines, and on top of that, I do tech support _and_ develop loadset images too.

      Any competent Windows admin ought to be able to manage 200 machines on his own. AT LEAST.

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    12. Re:Schedule sheets and VMWare by SysKoll · · Score: 1

      Hey, what can I say. Read the rest of the posts, you'll see that I am not the only one to be that pessimistic. Maybe you're more competent than the average MCSE "sysadmin" guy who doesn't know how to fix a problem except by reimaging a PC.

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  60. Toughest transition by dada21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I own an IT/IS company that's sole purpose is to try to make a customer rely on themselves, not us. It is the best business model available in IT as we receive more referrals than we "lose" customers who become self-sufficient.

    The key, for us, in selling a customer on hiring a full time team rather than contracting out the work (to us and others) is showing them a return on investment. There is no other way for a company to acquire any assets or employees without a residual increase in profitability.

    How can you tell your bosses that they need an IS group? Show them how they'll save money or make more money, or how their competitors are doing something better. Business owners hate three things: bleeding losses, missed profit opportunities, and competition that does something better.

    I can't imagine how hard your job will be, though, in the near future. U.S. manufacturing is attempted to cut back on costs, not increase them. Being in the business for 16 years, I know how hiring the right team IS a money saver, but many of our customers take years to convince. We've seen 6 digit yearly contracts that would have cost less than US$60,000 a year with a good individual and minor contract jobs.

    Work up a nice (not colorful, but factual) brochure to sell your bosses on a team. Find who your competitors' IS managers are and talk to them -- you'd be surprised how many employees of competiting companies are beer buddies on the weekends. Pick up a decent manufacturing periodical that talks about these issues, and maybe even get membership to manufacturing webzines that offer the advice.

    In engineering, general contracting, graphic design and other service industries, an IS group is a must-have. Manufacturing used to be technology-superior until the work became too inefficient to perform in the U.S. Since the costs are so high here, the management teams don't want to hear about expanded employees except in production. Place yourself in that role: producing an efficient "engine" to run the company. Use manufacturing terms. Point at studies and point at success stories.

    Good luck.

  61. Convince management by Jjeff1 · · Score: 1

    Basically you're not seeing eye to eye with management. It doesn't matter if you're responsible for IS, or the coffee fund, if you can't convince management that your involvement will save money, they probably won't listen. Keep in mind, you're also dealing with turf battles. I deal with this all the time.

    You need to show that you're adding value. Did anyone recently buy any IT type stuff that turned out not to work and was a waste of money. Did it work but there were cheaper alternatives?

    Look at things not just from a engineer level, but from a management level. How can you use IT to improve the business? Can you remove punch timecards and get an automated system? If you do that, how many hours a week will you save HR in compiling timecards and making out paychecks.

    I think you get the idea, but basically if management doesn't want to listen to you as another manager and treats you like another lackey, then you either need to get a manager onboard to champion your causes, or you might as well give up.

  62. DO NOT SABOTAGE by clawhound · · Score: 1

    Don't sabotage anything for any reason. If you are working for a government contractor, any malicious act that you do could be considered a felony or an act of terrorism as it impacts the governments data/information/processes. Think twice. Act once.

  63. I'm in a similar situation by div_2n · · Score: 1

    I am the IT Manager for a manufacturer with government contracts as well. First, you need to gain a bigger picture of things. The "I" in "IS" stands for "information" and as such, you deal not only with the connectivity/hardware, but the information being stored, how it is used and the protection of it therein. Therefore, you MUST have an understanding of the company, how things operate and such to be most effective. Otherwise, you will not be very effective at capacity planning. Most importantly is that in order to cost-justify your infrastructure, you must understand how it will effect business processes--the expensive firewall will help the sales people on the road via VPN, super duper server will be able to host the ERP software they desperately need to track cost variance on manufacturing so you can track real time costs and profit.

    You cannot possibly pitch those as such without understanding the business. Remember, if you are head of the IS department, you are effectively the CIO. As CIO, you need to understand how your division interacts with the others. As much as you want to be, you are not an island by yourself that has limited dealings with your surrounding neighbors. Your department is the fundamental technological enabler to allow the profit generating divisions to be most effective. Your department generates costs, not profit. You have to show how your costs can increase profit.

    First and foremost, you need to become very close to the CFO so you can work together to understand where the heavy costs are, what needs to happen to address them and how you can make his/her job easier in terms of understanding the bottom line. Second, you need to become good friends with the Plant Manager. Find out what his/her biggest issues are. Are any of those issues caused by inadequate technology? Is lacking technology causing manufacturing bottlenecks? Third, you need to learn who your largest customers are and how technology is being utilized in doing business with them. Are you doing EDI? Should you be?

    Once you understand the business, have made these relationships and know how your IT infrastructure fits in the big picture with the largest customers, then you can begin to make magic happen. Anytime you want to improve infrasctructure or make a technology purpose you must follow this simple guideline:

    1) Does it improve or cut costs of current business processes?

    2) If not, is it creating a new business process or addressing a serious security issue? (If both 1 and 2 are no, you are probably buying a toy)

    3) Can you explain in unambiguous language how the answer to 1 or 2 is yes? (if not, you will hit a wall with the decision makers)

    Good luck.

  64. Best Way??? by ryanisflyboy · · Score: 0, Troll

    "What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?"

    Let it break.

    I will leave it to you to decide if I'm funny, or informative.

    1. Re:Best Way??? by ryanisflyboy · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how on Earth this was rated Troll, but whatever.

      The poster inidicated that part of the problem was that managment didn't believe he needed more help because everything was working. He's apparently killing himself to keep it running.

      In that case, let a few things slip by putting in more reasonable hours. Eventually there will be proof that there is more work than can be done with the current resources. Things will break.

      The only other option is to leave. If managment won't take your recommendations, it's not worth staying.

  65. What is IBM? by TangoCharlie · · Score: 1, Funny

    Sorry to say, but if the acronym you use is not U.N.C.L.E, introduce it before you use it, or you risk leaving your intended audience by the road side.

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  66. Think like them by notnAP · · Score: 1
    One problem IT/IS/geeks have, myself being the prime example, is that we expect concepts like logic to have weight with the PHB's.

    Consider: in many companies, there are shipping managers, production managers, acquisition managers, etc. All of these positions need management, and these managers are recognized for the needs they have and the accomplishments they make getting their tasks done. Rightly so.

    But in how many places is the IT department looked on with no more forethought than the secretary who buys pens, staplers and paper for the office?

    Every company is different, but I'd wager that in most, the IT infrastructure (be it phone or data or both) is so crucial to the day to day operations as well as the long term growth that IT people should in a perfect world be in the board room (or whatever lesser equivalent you have) contributing to the decision making process.

    That just isn't the case, however. I also experience the problem. I used to manage our web services ($3million/year printer). But I was needed in production, so without discussion, the responsibilities were handed over to a consultant. I've spent the last year helping them put out the fires they caused by (1) using Windows 2k3 server, and (2) having a poor understanding of web services. How can people like you and I convice the PHB that reverse dns lookups are importnat when the consultants they hire tell them (to cover the fact they don't understand and can't get classless delegation working) that it isn't?


    The cause, and unfortunately the answer too, is politics. It's not that they reject the logical arguments. It's that they don't speak that language. I took Russian in high school, and could converse by the time my 4 years were up. But conversing was a matter of thinking in English and translating pre-vocalization to Russian. So it is with IT and business.

    We're like the stone masons of old, living in our own temples while constructing the fortresses financed and managed by others.

  67. I worked in a very similar situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The IT department was started by a single person, and run as a one person show for 15 years. By the time management had thought about the fact that it might be time for a change, mission critical systems were woefully out of date. What eventually convinced them that a new methodology needed to be put into place (and more to the point, what gave them the direction to do so) was an external audit. Maybe it's not a bad idea to write a proposal for such an audit and present it to your superiors. For a fairly minimal investment, you can get hard documentation from independent observers on exactly what needs to be done to implement the best IT environment possible for your business' particular needs. They can decide what to do with it from there.

  68. It's hard to get cheap folks to spend money by WVDominick · · Score: 1

    I've found it nearly impossible for the company I work for to upgrade their infrastructure. Nothing has worked for me. Not even the threat of impending disaster.

  69. Changing corporate culture by lintocs · · Score: 1

    The only way thigns are going to change for you is if you impress upon management that while you're doing mundane things like installing software, rebooting PCs, and reloading printer paper, you aren't doing valuable things like R&D, security (firewall, backups) monitoring, spam filter tuning, network performance tuning, etc ...

    Start out looking for an assistant, someone junior who can handle desktop support. If you can't get that kind of assistance, then you're really under-rated at your current employ and you should be working on an exit strategy.

  70. Go on Vacation by Rhoon · · Score: 1

    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?

    1. It's the Holiday Season, go on Vacation, visit family.
    2. With you out of the office, it should start to blow up.
    3. Update Resume.
    4. If they don't approve ALL your requests, leave.
    5. Profit!@#

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  71. You don't have the concept in your head to lead by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but the idea that your "only job is connectivity" is totally antiquated, and likely comes from spending too much of your career in a large, well sub-divided corporate IS department. There is nothing wrong with working in large departments or companies, but you have to remember that the things that make those big companies possible are the controls and standards they have in place to decide how-to decide if they should hire or not. You're trying to fight a battle to hire helpers when nobody has fought the battle of a standardized methodology for deciding if you have enough workers to cover your department's responsibilities.

    You're in a tough spot, and unfortunately, it will get worse before it gets better.

    Two hints from a guy who is in a similar organization but slightly ahead of the spot on the curve you're at:

    1) You have to sell your changes in terms that the managers understand. Don't explain why the package you picked for the marketing department is superior to the one they selected, explain why your METHODOLOGY--of IS selecting and testing appropriate tools with input from others--is superior to the end-users being sucked in by "ooh, shiny!" and decide to "let IS worry about implementing it." It is that flip assumption that IS can make anything happen that leads to selection of incorrect products and ultimately to failed projects. Regardless of how good the IS team is, they can't make wrong tools do the right job, and this should be the focus of your argument, not any one particular tool or purchase experience. Make it clear you're not trying to second-guess past decisions (even if you REALLY want to) but rather, to help make future decisions better and spend future dollars more efficiently than in the past.

    2) Don't expect a landslide of change right away. Smaller companies, especially those owned by one or two people who founded the company and built it, tend to play things very conservative--especially when those founders are good at something besides computers. With this in mind, design your ultimate IS department that would provide your company with all the services it needs--even the stuff your superiors don't know they need, and then break it into stages. Do small, non-threatening things first to build your stock in their minds. When they see your small changes succeed, you can then suggest something a little more substantial, and so on and so forth until you have the perfect team, you're fired, or you quit for a better job paying twice as much money because you have demonstrated excellent leadership and critical thinking skills...

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  72. Presentation by skywalker107 · · Score: 1

    Do you really want to find out at the last step of procurement that one of your other departments is going to buy a product that does not fit with what you have been building over the last 6 years? While not taking over the process I would want to be involved with the procurement decisions of a new product. Otherwise your final step idea may cause that department to waste time when you throw out there product because it doesn't fit and cause them to go looking for another that does fit.

    Your need for a staff can easily be justified by outlining everything that needs to occur within your 1 man IS Department. Outline everything that needs to be done and group it together into ontimers/daily/weekly/monthly then further group by secure and non-secure. Once you have presented your list to them, Throw on top any ideas for big projects you have and tell them that you can implement them with help. you could also include that you used 4 hours to type up this list that a secretary could have typed up for you.

    I personally did that and then presented the idea for an internally designed and controlled intranet that would require a parttime person to run it. Then I had a new tool for the business to use along with a parttime employee that would field calls and troubleshoot smaller problems for me in his sparetime while I worked on servers and other tasks.
     
    The other option that you may have is those goverment contracts. Do some research on any regulations that cover you because you have those contracts and you might find out that regulation 123 says you have to do these 3 tasks which in turn constitute the hiring of another person. Either way, It sounds to me like you have management leaning towards what you want just dangle a nice carrot in front of them so they fall off the fence where you want them too.

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  73. I disagree with your three issues by dillon_rinker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Management views IS as a facilities function; computers are a tool, and only a tool."
    And they are correct. If it doesn't provably add to the bottom line, they don't care. How do you view motors, electrical outlets, and HVAC systems? How do you view pens and paper? Computers are analogous. Your management's view is at least the most popular view. If you don't like it, you will be unhappy working as an IS manager in most environments.

    1a. Pragmatically, the main job of IS is to do whatever company management thinks IS should do. You are part of a relatively small enterprise; it is your job to help out that enterprise any way you can with whatever resources you have. If that means you draft, proofread, and type a memo about employee parking, you do it. And you don't complain. The 'leet crowd will disagree, I'm sure, but unless you are abslutely irreplaceable (and no one is), you don't make yourself appear to be a prima donna whose willingness to work is limited.

    1b. The main job of IS is to make sure that everyone can use their computers. Connectivity is included in that, but so is installing software, reconnecting keyboards, writing login scripts, patching servers, and (insert your least favorite computer-related task here). IS is the department with the people that make working with computers seem as easy as breathing. It is their job to make it easier for everyone else to deal with computers.

    Corollary to 1b: This includes the secretary who is incapable of rebooting her own computer, can't use the Start Menu, and tries to scan documents by running the optical mouse over them. ("At my last job, we had a business card scanner had a light on the bottom, so I thought...") And you do it with a smile and reassure her that everyone has this trouble.

    2a. IS involvement in other divisions is the purpose of IS. What, you're only providing connectivity and computer services to your own division? Or perhaps you're pushing cookie cutter solutions onto a company that doesn't need them? ("Hey, 'IS Manager' magazine says ALL the cool manufacturing IS managers are doing it!") If you're not talking to other division managers and finding ways that you can help them, you will find yourself replaced by someone who will.

    2b. IS involvement in everything that affects IS is essential. Otherwise, some bright, eager, manager is going to put lots of time and effort project that will consequently be impossible for you to kill, and will ruin your whole year. Standardizing the product design department on Macs, perhaps? Or converting all the legal department's documents to WordPerfect format? This is a political struggle. You want to be present at the meetings where bad ideas are born so that you can strangle them. If you limit your involvement to saying "No, that's not a good idea" just when someone else is ready to hand their project over to IT, you will be disliked and frequently over-ruled.

    3. What you've proposed is tripling the payroll costs of IT for no appreciable benefit to the company. In the eyes of company management, things are running fine. If you are really falling apart, you need to find yourself another offer of employment. With that in hand, find out if your company is amenable to improving your situation. If not, walk. I doubt that you are going to succeed in setting yourself up as a CIO, which is what your situation really needs. You have no management authority, and getting some is the only way to really fix the situation.

    I've been in your position and held your mindset before, and it's not easy. I cannot emphasize enough that you must both understand management's mindset AND be prepared to leave. Otherwise, you will be unable to negotiate a satisfactory resolution to your issues. At the very least, I would agree that you need a tech to work with you; a ratio of 1:100 is ridiculous.

    Good luck; you'll need it.

    1. Re:I disagree with your three issues by nincehelser · · Score: 1

      Ditto. If someone were to come to me with those positions, I'd be showing them the door.

      Based on what's been presented, I'd have to side with Management.

    2. Re:I disagree with your three issues by JPriest · · Score: 1
      If they won't let him bring in another tech to help, then maybe they will let him delegate authority. Most of the departments in his company probably have 1 or 2 people that know enough to get by on a PC, those people could be the first line of support for "why can't I scan an image with my mouse" questions before he is contacted to deal with the problem. A simple change like that could free a great deal of his time.

      You want to be present at the meetings where bad ideas are born so that you can strangle them.
      I liked that part :)

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    3. Re:I disagree with your three issues by Eskarel · · Score: 1
      Amen, especially to part 2b. You have to remember, that the more money that gets spent on a project the more impossible it is to kill, even if it's stupid and pointless. If a manager approves a million dollars on something, to kill it they have to go explain to their manager why they just wasted the company a million dollars. Now even if it's bound to fail, most managers aren't going to do that because it will likely cost them their jobs or at least their dignity. Instead they'll sit with the project and jump ship just before it fails with a resume which says how they were involved in this wonderful project.

      However, if you catch this project at the petty cash stage, then the manager is more likely to listen to you(unless of course it's their idea), because they will see how it failing might hurt them.

      If IS isn't involved in things they tend to make your life miserable, because you'll end up supporting things which are broken in their natural state.

    4. Re:I disagree with your three issues by sharkey · · Score: 1
      How do you view motors, electrical outlets, and HVAC systems?

      Connectivity, of course. Motors connect my bumper with the bumper in front of me, outlets connect my coffee pot to Niagra Falls and HVAC systems connect my cubicle to every nauseating smell that the geniuses I work with produce when allowed in the kitchen unsupervised.

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  74. First by Holi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Get it through your head you are not an IT manager. As your title states you are a sys admin, From what you've said your job is to keep things running not to make sweeping changes.

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  75. How do you estimate 'soft' costs? by JSBiff · · Score: 2

    I'm sure there is an answer to this question, but how do you estimate costs like, e.g. the cost of not having email service for X number hours/days/weeks if your email server goes down? For a government contractor, I suspect that nowadays, a lot of communication with government agencies for which you are contracting is done via email, so email would probably be very important to your business. Yet, how do you set a value on that?

    I mean, I could think of a few worst-case scenarios for impact of email being down. . . namely that you miss some kind of Request for Proposal broadcast email sent by a government agency to all registered contractors, and end up missing out on a contract, or having a project delayed because of communication problems. But all that is highly variable.

    I agree that the best way to approach management about investing money on IT resources is to bring them dollar figures that can help them understand the cost/benefit of the status quo, vs the cost/benefit of the proposed improvement, but how do you actually do that?

    I bet this is the type of question that people make an MBA/MIS Doctoral Thesis out of lol.

    1. Re:How do you estimate 'soft' costs? by LordFnord · · Score: 1
      how do you estimate costs like, e.g. the cost of not having email service for X number hours/days/weeks if your email server goes down?

      Let's say you're the IT boss at a recruitment consultancy with 100 other staff. Email goes down at 9am on Monday (you can tell this is an example - the chance of a critical server going down at 9am on Monday is within epsilon of zero, but at 5pm on Friday you're almost guaranteed to see blue smoke coming out of something).

      Some direct costs:

      • How many messages can't be sent out? How many phone calls or faxes must be sent instead? How much do they cost to send?
      • How many people can physically send a fax at the same time? How long does it take to make a phone call instead of an email? What's the approximate hourly revenue one of your sales guys generates? How many man hours are being wasted? Are you paying overtime for any of this?
      • How long will the IT department spend fixing the outage? What's their hourly rate? What other problems won't get fixed because you have to sort this one out instead? How much are those other problems costing the company?

      Some indirect costs:

      • How many CVs do you usually receive each hour from prospective candidates? How many do you place in jobs (earning commission)? How many potential sales are you missing?
      • How many job specs do you receive each hour from prospective employers? Same maths.
      • How many adverts do your marketing team place in newspapers, etc? How many will they be placing today? What's your ad response rate? How many of the responses go on to earn you money? How much have you lost?

      Basically, you look at the business' metrics, work out which ones are negatively affected by an email outage, type those up into a nicely-laid-out-one-page-of-A4 summary with the grand total in big bold text and a note at the bottom saying "there are also the negative effects on our public image to take into consideration and I suggest we discuss this with Marketing at some point", then stick that on your manager's desk just before you need next year's budget approving.

      However, this is where IT managers who think their department exists in a vacuum (and there are far too many of these) usually come unstuck. It's very hard to quantify the effect of an email outage if you don't know what the rest of the company is doing with it.

    2. Re:How do you estimate 'soft' costs? by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      Estimating those costs is all total garbage. Too many times business likes to judge everything from a dollars and cents perspective. It's nice to do that of course, because you get everything in common units and money=money. Thus there's a strong drive to get such numbers, even if you just make them up out of thin air.

      The problem of course is that reducing things like this to dollars and cents is often impossible. Estimating risk is notoriously difficult, so I think most businesses go by just "feel" rather than making up numbers. This is one reason I think IT departments need a budget. The budget gets set on what the company thinks they can afford. The IT manager can spend money from the budget and manage the risk.

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  76. correction by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    Quick minor correction to the last sentence of my post above - should be "MBA/MIS or Doctoral Thesis".

  77. Honestly, I'd probably find another job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly, I'd probably find another job. You're going to bust your ass and get nothing out of this. You already sound like you're doing more than you really should. For some reason, and I might be wrong about this, it sounds like you'd rather be directing than doing the actual work. Obviously, to do that, you need a staff and a budget. I'm sorry to say this, but I don't think you'll be the one to get these. Here's what I think will happen. You're going to bust your hump doing tons of research, making proposals, doing your normal work, and generally going way above and beyond the call of duty. The powers that be (management) will tell you 'no' straight up. Why? Because what you propose costs money. A couple of years from now, you're going to be tired and burned out from balancing everything from network security to running around and changing wallpaper, and management will hire someone else to be your boss, to implement exactly what you proposed, only you have no say in it. You're going to resent it inside until either you finally quit, or your flip your lid and piss off someone above you and get fired.

    I'd just move on to another job.

  78. Just remember... by dirtydog · · Score: 0, Troll

    It's better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission.

  79. Re:translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes - I saw the hint "manufacturer in Arizona"
    Arizone is code in Telco-speak for 'Colorado'

  80. what do I know by Spyder · · Score: 1

    You should be setting yourself up as an IS manager. Your responsiblities are:

    a) Budget management: requirements management, hardware replacement cycles, new system project planning and justification, risk management.

    b) Project management: planning to meet the company's IS requirements, keeping those project schedules

    c) Service offerings: being the point of contact for other divisions, facilitating the leverageing of IS resources for business needs

    You need to set up a few new roles. While some of these overlap, and don't necessarily need seperate personel for each, they should all be covered.

    1) Desktop support: user level support of hardware and software.
    2) System/Enterprise support: Administration of anything that runs on a server.
    3) System Engineering: New project development
    4) Network operations: Planning and administering the network

    It sounds to me like you need to hire two new guys:

    Windows desktop/server admin: to take roles 1 and 2, around here (DC) $40-$50K yearly.
    Network/Systems engineer: to take care of roles 3 and 4, this one needs a decent networking background (CCNA w/ experience) and a fairly strong systems background. Around here I'd expect $70-$90K yearly.

    You also asked how to get management buy in. Flesh out and work these points:

    a) Risk management: creating things like network monitoring, and backup and recovery.
    b) Capability expansion: The great falacy of IT is that it saves money, it doesn't very often. IT adds capability, and I'm sure that your business has at least a few things that are bottlenecking the rest of the works.

    You have a lot of work ahead of you, good luck.

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  81. Same Situation, kind of by GamerTransit · · Score: 1

    I work for a small food manufacturing company and support 16 computers/users. They've been in business for over 25 years, and they're computer usage has slowly been developing. There's a lot of the tell-tale signs that they haven't had an organized IS department, ever.

    1) Wide range of computers by spec (Mostly Win2k machines, 2 Win95 machines, Win2k Server, SBS 2003 server.)

    2) Computer clutter everywhere.
    Some of the older machines are sitting partially rebuilt/torn apart in the office. Cabinets full of old manuals/disks/floppies of programs, etc.

    3) Unmanaged cabling. There's a few rat's nests that I still need to get to, and I eventually need to replace the 200ft line out to the Shipping/Receiving department.

    4) Inadequate IS Budget. For a multimillion dollar company (gross sales), my budget totals $30,000 (not including my salary). A good portion of this is tied into depreciation of current equipment, the integrated T1, a couple leases, and an Anual License Fee for SYSPRO, their ERP software.

    5) Homebrew 'programs'. Yes, there's lots of Access to be had here. There's actually 4 access databases that I can count right now. They pull partially from the SYSPRO database, and help generate some clean reports, but the structure of them was created by a 'tinkerer' who is the backup person to IS (and also the Accounts Receivable person).

    I just started in November, and I got them to raise the IS budget by $10,000 (it was originally around $20k). Slowly I'm implementing new changes, but this is an older set of users, most people have been with the company at least 7 years, except the IS person (usually a college kid) which seems to rotate out every two years or so.

    I'm also doing a bit of market research for them as well as being a project manager for R&D on new product rollouts, and backup to the Sales Order desk. I feel that there are some things that they're trying to load onto me simply because that's what the previous IS person did, was basically be the Office Manager and play backup to most of the positions except accounting and HR.

    There is progress, and they seem somewhat willing to accept my ideas, it's just a matter of affording them and keeping them implemented without people slipping back into their old habits. It becomes difficult when 30% of the users don't speak english as their first language.

    Any tips from people who've been there?

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  82. Tool by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry to inform the poster that, if the employees can't consider computers to be tools, you're not doing your job.

    Computers are tools, unless they're the product of your work.

    Just like cables are tools to connect computers, unless it's your job to make the cables. In which case you'd probably use computers as a tool to make the cables ;)

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    1. Re:Tool by LMariachi · · Score: 1
      One size doesn't fit all. Even if your company needs nothing but off-the-shelf software, you still have to build and maintain those tools.

      The analogy is not "computer : hammer" but "computers : assembly line." True, improving a hammer is usually only worth it if you're selling hammers, but improving your processes is worth it no matter what your business.

  83. right there with you by nukedesign · · Score: 1

    I have been with my present company for about 2 months and the disarray here makes it apparent that things were not done effectively, e-mail me and I can give you a call, I am also in Arizona, maybe we could swap stories over lunch. The main thing I emphasized first was infrastructure. E-mail me and I will discuss this with you

  84. Thanks! by palad1 · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the link to Google, I couldn't for the life of me find the url again! /me puts on his tin foil hat
    Slashdot looks more and more like a pagerank bait these days...

  85. The best way to convince is... by uohcicds · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...by making a business case based on their bottom line.

    That is the only language that will be understood.

    From the sound of it, you're being severely overloaded; you need to force the issue some more (I've been in the same position myself and this is how I got through it). You will have to decide what your core job functions are (that you absolutely must do), then concentrate on them even if it means letting other stuff pile up undone. This would be even more justifiable if you have a job description you can refer to to back this up. If you don't have one, get one, just to confirm to you what your managers think you are doing, and to let them know what you actually are.

    If people give you extra work or pile you will extra repsonsibilities without the resource to do it, get them, to tell the people whose jobs you'll have to push back. Many of the reasone IS is pushed down the list is becasaue mostly,' it just works'. What happens when it doesn't? I think you have to start being a little less conscientious, because otherwise it will make you ill. You can still be professional and rein back your work to realistic levels.

    For your own benefit, keep a detailed log of where yuor time goes (if you don't already). And also include things yuo cannot do. Make estimates of the cost of this lost productivity. This should be the basis of your business case.

    Someone mentioned hiring an intern: this might be nice as a short-term move but doesn't address long term structural problems your company seems unwilling to face.

    If you still get no repsonse. Walk; tell them precisely why, adding that you wish them luck trying to find someone who can do your job with no training.

    I may be saying nothing you don't already know; you're expreienced in the industry after all, but sometimes just looking at the obvious stuff can help. Good luck.

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  86. IS (or IT) Role, by Pirulo · · Score: 1

    I have a scenario like yours -orchesta IT man-. But we are a medical setting. The mission here is to use technology to improve patients' care experience and stuff productivity, and only if it also means saving money. 4 Linux servers: Electronic Medical Records server (GPL product), file -and a miriad of applications- server, firewall appliance, backup. 1 Windows: legacy soft. 35 workstations. 1 Dvorak keyboard.

  87. Become better. by Reeses · · Score: 1

    I know this is going to be hard to stomach, because you're overworked, but I'll charge on anyway.

    The easiest way to deal with this is to make changes without them knowing about it, and just do your job. This sounds like an environment where it's better to beg forgiveness than ask permission. But, what you have to do is spend your time actually fixing problems first.

    So, take your Christmas break, and on the first day, get good and drunk. Socialize, whatever. On the second day, when you're recovering from the food and alcohol induced coma. Then, make a mental invoentory of the following things:

    Where the company is now.

    Where the company is going. (this is very important).

    What's currently broken.

    Then, using point 2 (where the company is going) figure out what you need to be ready when the company gets there. As you're planning, make sure you can fix what's broken along the way. If your migration plans include switching away from the buggy email program to something a little more advanced, then include it. Then, when you have to fix someone's machine because that buggy email program is acting up again, let them know that the problem will be fixed by whatever month you've plotted out.

    The first few months of this will be rough, because you're going to be breaking stuff left and right, and users are going to complain. But if you inform them that stuff's gonna break, they're generally ok with it. Then you have to spend time fixing it.

    This is a good time to experiment. If you've wanted to try Linux for something, do it now. If you've wanted to buy one piece of hardware that you think you might need 5 of, try one now. Then, as problems start getting ironed out, you'll find your workload goes down, and then your job won't be so burdensome.

    No matter what, sabotaging stuff is not the way to go here. All that does is alienate you from your users, and make your life harder. Your best bet is incremental improvement.

    And, from having done this before....

    A lot of your end-user issues will go away if you upgrade the memory in your end-user's machines. If you're running XP and Office in a machine with 256 MB RAM, then you need to buy more. I know this comment is going to set a lot of people off, but I've seen problems evaporate when you upgrade a standard office computer to 1 GB of RAM or more. That can free up an ungodly amount of time.

    I apologize that this is some sort of disorganized ramble....

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    Reeses
  88. You Should Be Very Involved With Software by gers0667 · · Score: 1

    If you only come into a new software solution at the implementation phase, you are in trouble!

    Most people do not know what it takes when it comes to business software. An example: my former company wanted a time card solution for our hourly employees. The management shopped around and picked a solution. They gave the company a large monetary advance. We were then brought in to evaluate the time line for implementing the solution. Half way through the meeting, we found that MS SQL Server 2000 was required, which we didn't have. Licensing for MS SQL at that scale is rediculous, we dropped the price to management and they immediately scrapped the project.

    If we would have been in the initial meetings, the company wouldn't have lost the money it spent.

    The lesson: you have to stop stupid decisions when they are thought, not when they are expressed.

  89. Re:Step 1: Create an IT Department... by yosemitesammy · · Score: 1

    LOL!! Sounds like a PFY that hasn't been BOFH'd yet. BOFH

  90. Hire a consultant by interdyne · · Score: 1

    I've seen it time and again. Management ignores the good ideas of its employees. But when they, or you, hire a consultant who takes your ideas, writes them down and presents them in a report, they take the ideas seriously. Good luck.

  91. I think your job is misnamed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems to me they don't WANT a true IS, they just think that's the name for the computer guys. Rather than changing your job to match your title, you should change your title to match your job. You do of course need help; as you say, you are burning out. But that doesn't mean what you should do at work is what you idealize as an "IS Manager". Sounds to me like if there were TWO of you, the workload would be fine.

  92. Good to know I'm not alone. by MrCopilot · · Score: 1

    Your membership card will be arriving shortly, welcome to the club.

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  93. Outsource the dailygrind - focus on the strategic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not pick an outsourcing firm (local, regional or national) that will handle the Tier 1 Helpdesk stuff for a nomial fee so that you can handle the Systems admin work in relative peace.

    This is an Op-x for the management team; do not sign any contract longer than 90 days until you can prove to them it works and you get a feel for the provider. And do not use India or China, you do not want to deal with language intonation issues when changing culture.

    Then focus on the long-term projects and process improvement. You will survive and prosper. Or be able to increase your own value in your next job...

    Anonymous Coward who runs an outsourcing firm. ;)

  94. Get Management on Board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel for you, and totally relate to your situation. I think it would be ideal to start from the Disaster Recovery side of the problem and get them to implement a DR test. This would include only you as the recovery engineer and I think they would quickly see that having only one person with the expertise to bring systems online is stupid. Maybe even go so far as to have a small Disaster on a monday morning and make it so management are the ones affected. Quickly showing the cracks and faults in why only one man for that many computers is wrong....

  95. It's all about Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having dealt with many clients that do not see the potential of their computing services and stored data, it all boils down to financials.

    I've found the best way to reach the great unwashed in the board room is to give it to them in terms they can understand (then give them a cookie, pat them on the head for being good and send them on their way). And that is money...

    You have to present what you want to do in terms of how much money they will either save or make by implementing what you want to do. Really. It's a business process, more than anything else - else why have IS?

    If you can't do that, then you will loose everytime even though you are "Right". Been there, done that, got the T-shirt (a closet full).

    You can justify staff, just as easily as you can justify hardware if you play the game and show how this folds into their line of business to make the more profitable/competetive.

    Then again, you mave have inherited a crew of Neanderthals that can't find their a$$ with both hands and a map. If that is the case, polish the resume and go elsewhere. You won't save people that can't see they are drowning.

    YMMV...

  96. Ya, Right by LifesABeach · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can't tell who you work for because you handle RFP's for the DOD? Go apply for credit with that line; I hope you don't disappoint easy.

    Managers manage people, not machines. Technicians manage machines.

    It looks like your part of a staff of 5 to 10 people; That's not wide spread. You can only negotiate from a power position.

    You're asking the wrong question. You need to respond to an RFP from the CBD that requires wide spread coverage. /. has reported earlier that NASA has some DARPA funds; If you can make NASA happy, then you'll be happy to. Good Hunting, Good Luck.

  97. Not likely... by draziw · · Score: 1
    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?

    If things have been working fine (from their view) there is no reason to change. Change caries risk, and status quo has been working a-ok. After that many years static, there is little chance they are able to learn new tricks. A new person coming in might have a shot, but you don't. Work on your resume and start interviewing now. When you get a new gig, give your old place 2-4 weeks notice (depending on how nice they have been to you). DO NOT TAKE A COUNTER OFFER from your old company - that may be nice short term, but it almost never ends well.

    Good luck.
  98. Write a propsal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can, write a proposal showing how the changes will save the company money. If you can't do this then the changes aren't needed. If you can do this and the managers don't agree to it then they are stupid. I beleive Henry Ford said "If you need something and don't buy it, then you pay for it without getting it." Simple.

  99. IS by hachete · · Score: 1

    in most brit companies, bloody IS is on a level with the cleaners

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  100. The Reality by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

    Sorry to say, but #1, like it or not, is fairly universally true. However, this should not be interpreted as being looked down upon or devalued. It is a barrier put in place so that users do not turn you into their slaves. If their computer works and has network access, your job is done. This is a GOOD thing.

    #2, also, is a good thing. Your job is not to sit through the endless meetings for product evaluations and internal software development. Your job is to make sure that whatever products are selected are compatible with your systems and if not, you make capacity recommendations. After they are purchased, it is your job to ensure they continue to run. Again, it is not your job to determine which products will be purchased and become the de facto 24/7 trainee/trainer. If Betty in accounting can't figure out how to use XYZ software that her boss selected, that's between Betty and her boss, not you. If they chose software because the interface was real perty, but later found out it sucks, that's their problem. If you recommended software that was flawless in functionality, but had an interface Betty couldn't figure out, guess who her boss blames? Hint: It ain't Betty. If the software installs and runs and doesn't take down the network, your job is over, enjoy your coffee and the satisfaction of knowing that Betty is the one getting fired, not you.

    #3 may be a function of #1 and #2. To the degree that it is purely a function of keeping the machines running, you have a very clear case. That's a pretty large organization for one person. I've been in companies of only 200-300 people and the IS/IT department was 15-20 strong.

    Basically, work within their expectations. Their perception of your department-of-one's duties is a fairly common one, but don't think that model came from management down. It is the result of the inevitable actions of people outside of IS/IT doing things that IS/IT simply does not have the time to support. If you try to insert yourself into that space, you will be crushed under the weight of stupidity -- AND YOU WILL BE BLAMED.

  101. IS/ Management Issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As having dealt with similar hurtles myself at a previous employer... this is what i would recommend:
    1:First of all, create an Agenda...Problems you see now with the current network... Standardization etc.. and provide a short descriptive resolution. This piece is for the other managers.
    2.Take charge of your position... Schedule an appointment with the CEO of the company and maybe a few other people(as witnesses if you will). Talk to the CEO directly, let him/her know what its going to take to resolve your current issues that you see with the network, and the current status of the IS dept. Make it Known that you will require a staff..even 1 or 2 more people can make a huge difference.
    3.Instill "the fear" if you will into the CEO...Make the CEO realize that if the changes that you need dont happen, that the company will not move ahead , and that will lead to their eventual demise within 10-15 years or less... Government contracts or not... The Government has standards that their contractors have to abide by as well. Make sure the CEO is aware of that last fact.(That should at least get em thinking)
    4. Once you've done the above steps.. you should by this time..be given a title, and a Tech to work under you, and Some Authority. Buying power for software and hardware will come a bit later.. Make sure that the person who handles the accounts payable .. has a list of the hardware/software you will need with estimates/prices etc... Try to keep the CEO in the loop of everything you do.. if you make him/her feel like their part of the process, then they will be more willing to work with you on the needs of a real IS/IT dept. I understand a lot of this seems to be political towards management and whatnot however, sometimes when you have Engineers/managment that dont want to work with you... you have to twist their arm a little bit...

  102. Been there conquered that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My company followed a similar life cycle. Me and predecessor before me changed it from "Call I.T. after we mess everything up" to "Call I.T. to help with any project for advice."

    We switched our companies thinking by years of proof and it was a real pain in the ass. The problem is how do you show them what an I.T. dept can do with out the staff to do it.

    Here are some idea's.

    1. Cost Savings - Technology can do one thing very well and that is save money. If you find ways the company can be more officiant and thus save money all management likes that. I am currently replacing legacy database in Access that were created before my time. Because of the flaws, the amount of man time wasted in trying to keep those things is amazing compared to how much it would have cost just to do it right the first time.

    2. Dooms Day - Don't lie but be realistic on what would happen if something failed. Some companies need a good slap in the face to realize that their entire organization rely's on a computer. If those systems failed how much money the org would lose. Have they thought about what happens if you get hit by a train on Tuesday?

    3. Competitors - Nobody likes being left behind so do your homework and try to find area's where you are currently lacking compared to other org's. This is one of those painful ones because being a one man show it does not feel good to say "we are not perfect" since they only to blame is you. The truth is you can only do so much so don't let that get to you.

    4. Time - It's not going to happen over night so decide if your in it for the long hall.

    Good luck

  103. Quit Trying To Be An IT Director; ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    they don't want one. You're not an IT Director, you're a Systems Administrator. They just want your expertise and skill to help them, but they want to retain control.

    You should not have presented the proposal. Reason is that, since you have presented it, now you are responsible for implementation. Sadly you do not have the power to complete the proposal, so you're in trouble now.

    In the worst case they did this intentionally: they'll wait for signs of failure and then sh**can you. In the best case they are merely amused and want to see how well you struggle with insufficient resources.

    If you had wanted to keep the job, you should have kept your head down, shoulder to the grindstone, etc. Now you must leave; you have no choice. Gather up your pride and, while pretending to implement your proposal, quietly find a new position elsewhere [avoid management positions - you're not ready for them yet and may never be]. Do some reading on group behavior, e.g., How To Win Friends And Influence People by Dale Carnegie. It will save you lots of suffering.

  104. Purpose of IS by Joe+at+Axual · · Score: 1

    The purpose of Information Systems is not connectivity or ROI but to solve problems for business users. Users all have jobs to do, and solving their problems is the job of Information Systems. How those problems are solved and how they are implemented is YOUR job. Your question of having a enough IS resources is a simple one really. You must track and measure what both you and your users are doing, how much effort is required to support them, and how much money it's costing. Design a method and process for measuring the important costly tasks and activities, collect the data over a few weeks, do an analysis of the data, then present it. If you are overburdened, your analysis should show this clearly.

  105. You have to sell it a little more by snwobird122 · · Score: 0

    Most people are motivated by only 2 things: love and fear. You need to appeal to both of these. The previous posters have mentioned an excellent way to appeal to their feal: paint a dismal scene for management that "could happen" if things don't change. Managers hate uncertainty. On the other hand, I'm sure you can appeal to their vision of where the company should be going. Tell them what you could do for them with the extra resources: reports (managers LOVE reports), backups (managers LOVE backups), organization, quicker response times, better application integration etc. If they don't buy this, there is no hope. Go start a company and tell your potential clients how you have single-handedly managed 100 users and workstations for years.

  106. The best way to get change... by buss_error · · Score: 1

    ...is to write a business case for it.
    Detail what's going on now, what you want to change, why the change will be better, and what could go wrong and what you intend to do if it does.

    It will include costs, savings, milestones, and timelines.
    It will have evaluation and disconnect points, where the project can be scrapped if it isn't working out.

    Like this:
    Currently our business utilizes six servers, located at points X, Y, and Z.
    It is proposed to move these servers to point A. It is anticipated that the change will allow IT to more easily service the machines, attend to backup tapes in a faster way, and to secure the hardware in a central location.

    Upon approval, the network in area X will be upgraded with blah blah, and preperations made for users of the server to access it via the network. On date blah, the server will be unavailable for blah blah hours while it is being backed up, then moved. A spare server has been made up in case server X should experience a failure during the move.

    go on like that for all the servers.

    Estimates of cost: We will require funds to upgrade the networks for switches, leased lines, and so on.

    At each server move, management should evaluate the impact before authorizing the next step.

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    1. Re:The best way to get change... by ringfinger · · Score: 1

      This suggestion is complete bullshit written by someone who's never workied in a company like yours. Your management are getting along fine without spending much and they don't care about business cases (except maybe those requiring no initial outlay of expense and reduced ongoing expenses -- like outsourcing your job). Those people are morons. Move on.

  107. Gov't regs? by rkhalloran · · Score: 1

    Sadly these days, with all the compliance laws on the books, it may be fastest to invoke the prospect of liability problems to break the logjam. I don't know how small a company these things reach down to, but given the US gummint, I suspect it's pretty far down.

  108. You've outgrown this job - get a new one. by ringfinger · · Score: 1

    Senior management in your business sees IS (probably rightly so) as a cost center, not as an opportunity to drive innovation or efficiencies. The only thing that could change that would be new ownership. You've outgrown that job and the only way you'll get the challenge you're looking for would be to go elsewhere.

    You're banging your head against the wall. If you want more of a challenge, get a new job. If you like working there, then learn to live with it. Those are your only options.

    If you think you can change that, you're fooling yourself. In that case, I'd recommend counselling or increasing your monthly budget for scotch. Either will probably work.

  109. Trying to reverse the Industrial Revolution? by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    The title is a little tongue-in-cheek, but I was amused by your observation that "We've worked a number of years solely on manufacturing and assembly clients and they're the absolute worst in believing that technology can make them more profitable." Because, the whole idea behind the Industrial Revolution was the concept that you could use technology to make production of goods *much* cheaper, faster, and on a massively larger scale.

    I think IS *generally* isn't involved to a great deal in the production side of the business (although I think it is becoming more so - I'm sure the parent would have more knowledge about this than I), but I would just tend to think that manufacturing businesses would be always at the forefront of using technology to make business more profitable, as that is the whole concept behind modern manufacturing.

    I also think, if the mindset you mentioned is wide-spread in the industry, it might explain to a large extent why US 'hard-industry' is having such difficulty competing against foreign competitors . . . because those foreign competitors might be out-revolutionizing them (in addition to having cheaper labor ;-) ).

  110. You Don't by fritz1968 · · Score: 1

    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?

    People, in general, in the business world fear change. What you are proposing is a big change. You can't change a thing until management is ready for it. However, you can plant seeds. For example, you can mention how great an easy it would be to have a network to easily and securely share data (assuming that you don't have a network). Mentioning licensing and how much money the company could lose if employees are using software for which the company did not purchase or does not have enough licenses.

    when they are ready, they will be more receptive to your ideas. But until then, you might as well talk to a wall.

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    It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
  111. What is IS by corporate+zombie · · Score: 1

    First off I'd define better terminology.

    IS - Information Services/Systems - tend to deal with business applications (development, vetting, purchasing, etc. Proportion of each role being dependent from what I've seen on size of business. If you don't do in-house app development then that aspect doesn't apply to you), business systems (ordering, ERP, payroll), and management of the aspect of the business tied in with computing as a tool to forward the companies business goals.

    IT - Information Technology - deals with the physical aspects of computing. Hardware, networks, disks, etc. This is where you tend to find sysadmin, network admin, and those folks that make sure the blinky lights can blink.

    Facilities deals with the the physical space and items like power and cooling.

    YMMV of course. If you are a one person shop you're going to be doing most of the above (note in your case though how the lack of management authority divorces you from the aspect of computing tied into achieving business goals).

    Now, speaking as someone that's done sysadmining, software development, and management I think your view is off. You are trying to do the technical work and not tie it back into how the company makes money. That's fine if that's what you want to concentrate on but don't pretend there are no other aspects to using computers as a business tool. Also if that's the area (technical) you wish to stake out then don't think for a second you are going to get to call the shots. That's for someone with a broader view that can see how IS/IT ties into the dollars that pays salaries (as a best-case) or for the guy that has to come up with the budget for all your connectivity (as a worst and all-too-often case).

    Look to the big companies to see what computing means and how to structure IS/IT for your shop (and as part of the business). The size of the shop is different but all that means is that the bigger companies have to break out the parts that need individual management into individual groups. What's telling is where those boundries form and the roles that get created to manage computing at that scale. As a one person shop you'll have to wear all the hats but at least you'll have learned what the hats' roles are and how they fit into the whole.

        -CZ

  112. Can I institute change here? .. answer = NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > "I work in the IS department for a manufacturer in Arizona (a one-man-show). I do mostly everything; from systems, to networks, to procurement, to implementation ..

    This is your biggest mistake. Why would management want the disruption and expense of change when they have you doing the work for a whole IT department. If you are working late evenings and weekends then that makes it even worst.

    [...]

    > I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority ..

    > Can I institute change here?

    Short answer is a big NO. You see if people have been doing the same thing for over six years change is anathema for them. I've had similar attitude from business I've been hired on to make the IT processes more efficient. 'We want't you to upgrade the system but we don't want to change anything.

    On a smaller scale I one wrote a VB applet that generated unique invoices, printed out two copies one for the customer and one for the internal records and saved an electronic version to a table. This was to be used for the quarterly VAT returns. You just added up two columns total sales, total VAT and subtracted the one from the other. To use it you fired up a screen, clicked on 'new`, filled in the details and clicked 'print`. Nothing could be simpler. It was designed to be manager proof.

    The previous system consisted of someone typing out word documents and saving them under inv001.doc, Inv002.doc etc. The subtotals and totals row had to be calculated on a calculator. Once a quarter the accounts clerk would list them all to the screen and tote up on a calculator. I went back there months later and this idiot was still using the 'old` system. You see he'd never learned anything new since leaving school at sixteen and wasn't going to start to do so now.

    That reminds me of an Architect who learned Autocad in school on Windows 3.0 so would save every file as a123.dwg, a124.dwg etc all in the C:\Progra~1\Autocad\ folder. I had to drive five miles accrss town to help him search for an old document. No kind of advice could persuade him to change his work methods. You see like you I had no authority and besides I would always be available to do it.

    Once a month he would erase Autocad in an effort to copy a file. He also couldn't understand how keeping eight hundred MEGs of DWG files in his INBOX would crash Outlook.

    I've talked to an industrial psychiatrist who gets hired by big organisations to try and therapize the workers into changing. Stagnation was that endemic that they needed therapy.

    The thing is that they don't care that you are working yourself into an early burnout. The only way out of this is to get promoted by moving employeers. You see the other fella would never thing of promoting his own people. He would rather hire in under the assumption that no-one working for him can be any good. Same reason your own employer won't give you that promotion. Find another job pronto. Don't tell your current employeers you are going until the job is in the bag else they'll phone your new employeer and tell lies about you.

      > I've done my Google searches; went back to traditional books from Barnes and Noble ..

    The thing is that these traditional books are a work of complete fiction. If you want to see a more realistic depiction of the work experience you can do no better than the spoof television documentary 'The Office`.

  113. Get a real BS or even MS degree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cliff we have all seen you post several times. You seem reasonable enough but you don't seem to have an official degree in management or "IS". You are dealing with engineers they still see you as a flunky they hired to do what they don't have time to do themselves. To them you are much like an office assistant. You want to get more resources and more respect around highly educated people. Get highly educated yourself. IT certifications don't really mean crap to people outside of IT unless you have a BS or MS to back it up.

  114. dollars and sense by subgrappler · · Score: 1

    did you show them the numbers? IF your upper managers are sensible, then showing them financial gains should win them over or at least make them stop and think. of course youll probaly need to do so in a way that they like to see and are used to seeing.

  115. Not just for English spokers... by Corunet · · Score: 2, Informative

    Slashdot is read by people around the world, and some of us don't have English as our primary language. It is difficult sometimes to find the meaning of an acronym, and moreso with something as short as "IS"

    1. Re:Not just for English spokers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol not to mention i know a few people who dont speak much more than programming languages

  116. Software warranty?? by Comboman · · Score: 1
    Any software that is out of warranty also must go or be removed from the network. So those NT4 and 9x machines you might have running around (I hope you don't), need to be taken care of.

    Software EULAs are designed to prevent software from having anything resembling a warranty. I think you mean, "is technical support available".

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  117. Failure by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1
    Can I institute change here?

    Yes you can, however if the usual avenues you have tried then you need to fail. I don't mean you sit there, do nothing and wait till you get fired but produce a list of every single task that you have scheduled and then budget your time so that you do not run around getting stressed.

    If something is going to miss a deadline, tell the owner of it. If they complain then tell them that they can escalate it. This will invariably mean that someone will come knocking wanting to know why that person is complaining. So sit them down, show them everything you need to do and what you can achieve in the next day and two days.

    Don't let them bully you into doing more so that you end up stressed out. Point out to them that this is as much work as you can do and if they want you to do more then either they can sit with you every week and prioritise your work load or you need extra support.

    Chances are they'll go for the prioritising. Let that happen every week. Do not let them dictate by which day you can do something, get them to order the tasks from the most important to the least and budget for the same amount of time. When people complain, you tell them to take it to the manager for re-prioritisation.

    It's a long slow process, but eventually your manager will come to realise that you have far too much on your plate and he can't please everyone. When that time comes, you'll get your support.

    Final comment: If you always manage to deliver everything on time, your management will assume you are perfectly capable of handling the workload and will not give you the support you require. Don't get stuck in a rut like I did, where I was stressed and overworked but because I delivered, no-one was prepared to give me the additional headcount I desperately required.

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  118. You may need to compromise to see eye to eye... by agristin · · Score: 1

    1) In most companies, the job of IS is to help the company make money. So I can see where you have a difference of opinion. Sometimes the job is to make it easier or possible for the company to make money.

    2) IS (like security) is a cross functional group and is involved with every group in the company at some level. Because your job is to make their job easier. Computers are like a lever or other tool to make work easier, you help them figure out how to use this force multiplier or lever (or make it easier to use the lever).

    3) If you are overloaded you need better time management goals and prioritization. Sometimes it has to get worse before it gets better. If you implement some things that save administration time with top priority, you may get more back logged at first, but the queue will clear as the time savers kick in. You need to switch from reactive mode to proactive.

    Making the switch from reactive to proactive takes time, money, smarts and a smooth political hand.

    Check out this book:

    http://www.everythingsysadmin.com/

    it has invaluable practical advice for all of these problems. It is not specifically a technical book.

    -A

  119. Wow, it was like reading my own diary entry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked for a non-profit company and was treated the same way. I was the Network/Systems Administrator, I was supervised by the MIS Manager, and his boss of the Chief Financial Officer.

    (Despite the crappy heirachy of having an MIS manager supervised by the CFO) Any ideas or solutions I had were almost always blocked. When I asked for more or better help, that was blocked too. Not only that, the pay wasn't all that great either. And it wasn't until I gave them my resignation letter that they wanted to take me more seriously.

    Needless to say, my end result (after 5 years) was that I quit the job. They didn't deserve me.

  120. When they need a manager.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they need to hire someone, it sounds like they will hire a friend or a friend of a friend.

    From what you have written, you are kidding yourself if you think they are going to give you more power or pay you more.

    Sounds like they are using you pretty good. So long as things continue to run smoothly, why should they make any changes?

    At some point in your career, you need to learn not to be used. I would look for a way to declare victory and move on in your career. If you want to go into management, make that your next move.. elsewhere.

  121. Some tips.. by c00lneal · · Score: 1

    I have worked in a couple of companies before, so here you go.
    1) Create a ticket logging process. *ALL* users must use it. Use a web enabled tool like RT(Check in google) to make it simple. This will help you to justify your work to management.
    2) Prepare and maintain an inventory list of all servers in a document. Inform the management and users that no updates will be done without consulting you., since you are the system administrator!
    3) Hire an intern to do part time, and work over the weekends

  122. Smells by justplainpostal · · Score: 1

    Being overloaded with 93 users and 110 workstations tells me that you are most likely working under some really cheap owners.
    I'd come at them from a cost savings angle. If that doesn't work and you plan on staying then I suggest a solid medical plan with low co-pay's, no deductibles and good references to psycho therapists. Also, maintain a complete CYA file of everything that crosses you desk/PC and watch them like a hawk for the knife in the back when it comes so as to take as many down as you can to increase your severance package. Don't be afraid to hold there information hostage either, you know they would drink your mothers blood given the chance.

  123. A Haiku by BayBlade · · Score: 1

    What is IS? Is IT IS and is IS IT? It is IT.

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    The key difference between a Programmer and a Senior Programmer is that one of them is Mexican.

    1. Re:A Haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IS IT?

    2. Re:A Haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll be hearing from my lawyers in the morning.

      Regards,

      Mike Patton.

    3. Re:A Haiku by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      i'm willing to bet very few people got this reference, but it made me laugh...

    4. Re:A Haiku by IainMH · · Score: 1

      Same here. :-)

  124. CYA & pray for the best by dgrgich · · Score: 1

    1. Keep quitting as a last resort. Quitting is only necessary when it is clear that nothing will EVER change. I quit a job when my stress level got too high and it was obvious that the company was never going to change its practices of using Windows NT4.0 until the return of Christ.

    2. Take stock of your environment. Note everything that can go wrong and make sure that your boss knows that you have a preventative solution. Try to come up with a good/better/best solution for each of these issues. WHEN (not if) these situations happen and you demonstrate that the problem could have been avoided - virus/worm attack, lost data due to hard drive crash, slow response due to slow server, etc. - you can whip out your solution and more than likely, at least the bottom level solution can be implemented.

    3. Don't be afraid to learn new things. My previous boss hated tapes for backups - he felt that they were always unreliable and prone to failure. He had me go 100% disk-based with removable disks for redundancy/off-site storage. I gave in after fighting this for a bit. I just knew a good tape system could be productive but he pays the bills. It turned out great and I learned a great new backup paradigm for small networks.

    4. Learn, learn, learn.

    5. Find ways to demonstrate the importance of your job function.

    6. If all else fails, ignore my advice on #1 and walk.

    4.

  125. You both have missed the point by merky1 · · Score: 2, Informative
    1) The main job of IS is connectivity. Connectivity is the core of why we have IS. Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it.


    If this is your view of the world, become a CCIE and forget about IS management.

    2) IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary.


    Why your management hasn't fired you yet, I don't know. It would seem that you have a "my way is the better way" attitude, and really are not looking at the big picture. While limiting your exposure to the "other divisions" will limit the workload, it will end up alienating the people who you support (and probably generate the cashflow that helps pay your salary). Eventually, they will begin to implement systems without your support, because it is too difficult / time consuming to involve you. This will in effect reduce your value, making any change you want to implement even more difficult.

    If you want to play MIS, I recommend you go out and get some ITIL training, or at least get some work experience going on. You use the term Information Systems, but it really seems you are focusing on Systems Administration. Maybe your employer should hire someone to manage you and your resources, and hopefully you can learn a thing or two.

    Also, not involving yourself in the development of applications, or in some terms Information Systems, is a really bad idea. Basically, you will have crap dumped on you, and it will by nature become your problem.

    3)I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority) on my own. My proposal stated the need for the creation of staff (a tech and a clerk). Management thinks because things are running, I have no issues, but I'm falling apart from all I have to do to keep things running. I need to offset the load so I can do more of the 'bigger picture' things to help guide this company out of the IS dark ages. (We have no CTO or CIO; Management is made up of engineers from different disciplines)


    Probably about the only valid point you have, but you are going around it the wrong way. You need another peer to help carry your load. Present two scenarios to your manager. First, discuss the workload you have, and also throw in that you cannot concentrate on connectivity and implementing new systems at the same time. Second, throw in the whole "hit by a bus" angle. How many people understand the system?

    Once you have a peer, eventually the company will realize you need a manager, and will either promote or hire someone into the slot.
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  126. If you are not in IT by tacokill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you are not in the IT business, then your goal as a manager/owner is to minimize your costs (real and "soft") to the absolute lowest point possible that is bearable. If, on the other hand, your business is IT (ie: consulting company or something), then you might put much more into it.

    This isn't rocket science. IT, for most companies, is a cost center. Treating it as otherwise is bad for business and will lead you to spend lots of dollars with little return. THIS IS HOW IT HAS BEEN AND HOW IT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE.

    1. Re:If you are not in IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Actually, your goal is to maximize profit. This can be done by minimizing costs and maximizing income. If you're not in the IT business, IT is frequently seen as a cost that must be minimized. This is not necessarily the case when IT is employed to reduce costs in other areas (this is why we have cost/benefit analyses). If you're in the IT business, IT is a source of income and of course is thus a major investment. Basically, the point is, if you want to increase the investment in IT, increase its benefit to the company.

  127. Hubs have their places by davidwr · · Score: 1

    There's very little place for a hub in any shop with more than a few dozen computers, but if a small shop has a hub and that part of the lan isn't saturated, there's no need to replace it with a cheap switch just for the sake of getting rid of the hub.

    Reasons to ditch a hub:
    1) homogeneous environment (i.e. every other device is a brand-xyz model-abc switch or brand-xyz model-def router, and this is a brand-efg hub)
    2) component is failing or cannot be serviced
    3) component unsuited for task, e.g. network is saturated, or you need a managed device
    4) other reasons, such as physical size or power usage (old hub = big and bulky, new switch = small and trim)

    The last two are probably the most common reasons to change.

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
    1. Re:Hubs have their places by k12linux · · Score: 1

      A network with 100+ PCs on hubs is almost always a good reason to get switches. Collisions get to be a problem by then in most cases.

  128. You have to ask yourself... by dcavanaugh · · Score: 1

    "By my continued presence here, am I enabling this disfunctional management model?" Let the answer be your guide.

    Sounds to me like these folks need some "schoolin'", and they ain't gonna get it if the smart kid at the next desk is doing their homework for them.

  129. 1:100 by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure 1:100 is so bad.

    I admin an outfit with some 40 employees single handed. This includes all server admin, desktop support, most software purchasing and upgrades, and a fair bit of in-house development into the bargain. Full time, I expect I'd be able to handle twice that many users ... so 100 isn't that much of a stretch.

    That said, I suspect a desktop support tech would save them money at that load level by letting their admin focus on more important things.

    1. Re:1:100 by duplicate-nickname · · Score: 1

      1:100 may not be bad for desktop support only (which I what I suspect this guy only does), but most companies are probably closer to 1:25 when you include all IT staff (from help desk through telecom and management). It all really depends on what type of data your company has and how it's used. We are at 1:30 and are a little streached in some areas; however, many of our business processes are highly automated and our CEO/CFO make great use of the IT department to solve pains in sales, marketing, admin and other departments.

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  130. What do your clients expect? by simonrand · · Score: 1

    Cliff, I was facing similar issues a few years ago - only management was made up of Attorney's of various kinds. You are not alone. The good news is that the industry is changing. Recent articles in Slashdot, InfoWorld and others are showing that. Some companies are slow to respond, but things are getting better for IT personnel. Here's what I recommend: 1) Don't jump ship. If the pay is good, stay with it and work it out. 2) Do your homework. Engineers are visual people - charts and graphs in a Powerpoint presentation will carry more weight than a detailed email proposal. This give your experience some "meat" with a well planned presentation. If you can't quantify ROI for funding a project, then stick with how it affects client deliverables. 3) Find out what the clients require. Are there government standards you are supposed to meet? What about any contracts, SLAs or other expectations of deliverables? Obviously your clients don't know about your issues. If they did, management would be afraid of losing the deal(s) and you'd get all the funding you'd need to do your job. This is even more important since you are a government contractor. Don't use it as a bribe, just a tool to get the technology you need. 4) Industry standards show that it takes one systems administrator to manage 35-50 desktop computers. There should be a minimum of TWO of you for redundancy sake. (Why have a tape backup of your data but not a human backup?) Good luck, SR

  131. Been there, done that by overshoot · · Score: 1
    And in Arizona to boot.

    Step one: keep detailed records. Talking about how you're overloaded doesn't count unless you have records.

    Step two: sometimes you need to stop fighting fires long enought to turn off the gas. Anything that isn't on your official scope gets dumped. If things fall apart, it makes your case for you.

    Step three: document your risks. What worked for me was doing a license audit on the Company. It was easy because there was no license accounting. One quick reference to the material at the BSA's website got me enough data to start putting a risk analysis together. YMMV.

    That last is the paydirt. Your job isn't to keep things running (which implies always being behind), it's to keep things from falling apart in the first place. Which, in turn, implies having up-to-date risk assessments.

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  132. Network hardware by ValuedSubScriber · · Score: 1

    If a network supporting a few hundred pc's is considered to be small I must be living in a different world ..... anyway - if in such similiar circumstance they are unwilling to spend more than 'a few grand' on networking equipment (ignoring linux it's probably closer to 20k anyway for pix + few routers'n'switches depending on your exact implementation) then find another employer as you surely won't succeed in the grand scheme of things.

  133. Take a little Trip...They'll Appreciate you more by nyc_paladin · · Score: 1

    Seriously, sounds like a place I use to work for. Underpaid and overworked. Management didn't want to spend more money or hire more people. I didn't have a vacation in three years, working at times 10 hours a day and some weekends to boot. I went on a two week vacation. Came back, they sat me in and gave me a $25K raise right there. Then they asked what we needed. Some of the items were actually done, like hiring teams of people to do the work that a few were doing. Nothing like going away for a bit, and being unreachable to make people appreciate you more.

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    All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. --Edmund Burke
  134. IT not IS by phoebe · · Score: 1

    The IT department looks after computers, the software that runs on them, and the networking that joins them together. The IS department looks after database, CRM, ERP, Oracle, etc, big applications. The OP is getting his acronyms messed up.

    1. Re:IT not IS by wharris65 · · Score: 1

      Well, having been in the consulting field for 15 years, I will say that in practice, there is little distinction between the two phrases IS and IT. I will add, however, that Information Systems, refers to systems. A system being a collection of parts that collectively makes up a whole. You cannot have a "payroll" system without all pieces of the solution working. That is, a server, a switch, a workstation, training to use it, etc. So, to say that IS is only the Databases, or only the connectivity, is not something I can agree with. I will say that I have seen the term 'IS' refer to most things that have anything to do with computers. But then again, I have seen computer departments called many other things as well. IT, Data Processing, Data Systems. To me, i really does not matter. the bottom line is taht someone has to own the whole system. And if you choose to just own the connectivity piece, well, you have now left the realm of Information Systems, and have entered the realm of information tele-communications. That's just my take. -Wayne

  135. Suggestions and disagreement by carlislematthew · · Score: 2, Informative
    "1) The main job of IS is connectivity. Connectivity is the core of why we have IS. Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it."

    I strongly disagree. The main job of IS is "Information Systems". Connectivity is there to *enable* the use of information systems - email, files, printers, databases. The network must run *because* all these systems must run so the business can run. Now, if you were a "network admin" or some similar title/department, then I would agree with your statement but you seem to be going for something bigger than that.

    "2) IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary. IS is involved with other divisions when physical products get connected to the network, but not before. Software should be evaluated by IS only when it becomes necessary for purchase and implementation, not before. Any developed piece of software (we have an in-house programmer in accounting who uses Access -- I know, I know...) should be evaluated by IS when the software is ready to install."

    Again, I strongly disagree. IS/IT/whatever should be involved with the analysis and/or development of applications way before they are ever even thought of going near the network or being installed. What if this Access developer spent 6 months making some new database that was accessed over some WAN link that was in fact going to change in the near future? Or what if someone in purchasing decides on some fancy new purchasing application, spends months evaluating it, and then says "install it". Unfortunately, the application requires some server, or connectivity, or something that IS/IT does not approve of. You simply cannot expect non-computer types (i.e. MOST people in business) to make good technology decisions all the time. You need to help them and be a consultant. Granted, you may not have the time, but that's a different issue...

    "3)I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority) on my own. My proposal stated the need for the creation of staff (a tech and a clerk). Management thinks because things are running, I have no issues, but I'm falling apart from all I have to do to keep things running. I need to offset the load so I can do more of the 'bigger picture' things to help guide this company out of the IS dark ages. (We have no CTO or CIO; Management is made up of engineers from different disciplines)"

    One member of staff for this environment does seem very light to me. However, I recommend that you take things a little more slowly as it seems these people are resistant to change - so perhaps attempt to hire one low-level Helpdesk technician.

    I'm not 100% sure of the approach you're taking but it does seem a little strong and confrontational. For example, if you're taking the approach that the company is in the dark ages and out-dated and so on, then you're telling your boss that they are incompetent and know nothing about IT/IS. That may in fact be true, but it doesn't help you get what you want. Instead, take the approach that the needs of the company have changed from what they used to be (make something up if you have to) and therefore you are suggesting these changes so that the infrastructure can address those needs for the future. Be specific and use examples. Just don't bitch or whine about the past, because the people you're talking to are the ones that set up the past! Instead, focus on the future! What the BENEFITS of the changes you propose. Try not to put your boss(es) on the defensive. Once they give a strong "NO" or strongly disagree with you, you are fighting an uphill battle. Instead, find common ground, find common sense of purpose regarding what you want the future to be like, and *then* move slowly with changes that are needed to get to that future.

    Then quit. ;)

  136. LEVERAGE, LEVERAGE, LEVERAGE!!!! by zuhalter420 · · Score: 1
    I've been in your shoes before in my last job. You need to exercise some leverage, and you're in a good position to do so. I cooked up a gameplan when I had the same issues you're having now.

    1. If you're not doing so already, document everything you see problems with. When the shit hits the fan months after you've warned your superiors about a developing problem they ignored, it feels REALLY GOOD to forward the original emails to the entire management mailing list after they start bitching and moaning and pretending they don't know what you're talking about.

    2. Start looking for other jobs, preferably something better than what you're doing (either more money for the same bullshit, or less stress for the same amount, whatever floats your boat).

    3. Once you have hard offers you like, stall. Tell them you need time to finish current projects with your employer, maybe 4 weeks. After all, you don't want to burn any bridges, right? Most potential employers serious about hiring you will respect and appreciate your honesty and ethics, and wait for you.

    4. Immediately schedule vacation time after you received an offer; at least a full work week, preferably a week and a half. Can't get the vacation authorization? Make something up! Death in the family, jury duty, whatever it takes! Immediately get out of that office by any means necessary for at least a week after you've received an offer! Turn your phone or blackberry off during that time, do not check your email! Do nothing special to prep for your absence anymore than you would for a typical weekend. You want your coworkers to start fires while you're gone, so make sure you leave plenty of matches and kindling around, ok?

    5. After you get back and put out the remaining fires, immediately schedule a meeting. Be insistent and pushy, accept no brushoffs. Make that meeting happen! Make sure you're prepared and have your homework done, address your concerns, back up your claims with your documentation. Tell them exactly what you want.

    You'll now have all the leverage, and they'll have none. If they refuse, tell them you recieved another offer but don't want to leave the company, yet feel as if they're "backing you into a corner". Tell them you "beleive in the company and it's potential", "..truly want to see it succeed", "..help take it even further". But you can't do it without the right tools or salary, and their refusal to help you leaves you with no other choice. Either way you win. In the end they'll either cave, or you'll be in a better job while they're stuck with a piece of shit infrastructure falling apart, and some other schmuck will get conned into taking it over and have to deal with the same bullshit you dealt with for 6 years. My demands were not met, so I graciously bid my previous employer farewell and left my dead-end sysadmin job with a company treading water, using old-ass equipment that can barely be upgraded for fear of paralyzing every system. That company is now in danger of being split apart and the pieces being sold off. Their dilapidated IT infrastructure, with ignorance of my complaints for 4 years and waiting until the last minute to overhaul our infrastructure, is mostly to blame. My former coworkers are scrambling to find other work out of fear they'll be sold out of their current jobs.

    I'm now working as a network engineer making far better money, in a fast-rising company filled with abundant opportunities to work with bleeding edge technology every day.

    Good luck to you!

  137. The "Eggs-in-One-Basket" Principle by LazloToth · · Score: 1

    Your execs are shortsighted individuals, to put it charitably, if they haven't thought about what would happen if you became gravely ill or seriously disgusted and disappeared for a while - - or permanently. Management succession is an important part of business strategy. The last thing a rising company wants to see is progress undone as a key player leaves, taking vital knowledge with him. I've seen it happen many times, and the setbacks can reverberate through a business for months. Backups aren't just for data. This can be seen as lessening your value in the operation, but eventually you'll burn out. And that doesn't look good to anyone.

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    It's only funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious.
  138. Recognizing the problem by ndunnuck · · Score: 1

    I don't like to flame anyone, but most companies I know of use a ratio of about 1 MIS person for each 200-250 workstations. That's just the way it works out. Frankly, you haven't even convinced a bunch of computer nerds what the real problem is. No way you could justify a "clerk" position with the type of environment you're in. Maybe an additional tech for helpdesk purposes, but what would a clerk do, other than the day-to-day work that you don't want to do? Sounds lazy. Not only that, but your attitude of not being involved in other areas of the company would certainly prompt me to hire someone above you, not beneath.

  139. Bad news for you, buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hate to tell you, it will not be possible. The people that run companies today are the lowest common denominator. Trust me, we've been down that road at a place I used to work at.. We had an executive that "oversaw" our department. She was the EVP of Administration.. Admin, the people who make sure you have pencils at your desk and that the copier machine is stocked with paper- the same people who have NO CLUE about IT operations. It got so bad that my boss and she would butt heads on a daily basis. He wasn't very outright about the situation to the senior staff, but people generally knew why he left. Then came me, I'm a bit more outspoken. I was the second person hired for that department when the company started in 2003. Again, said EVP was doing things that did not make sense, and that was bad for the overall quality of service we provided not only for us, but our tenants. I warned most of the entire executive staff that when I left, it would be the end of that department, and the only way I'd stay was to change leadership.

    Needless to say I've left, the service level has dropped, no one understands how any of the infrastructure works (They now have level 1 helpdesk guys trying to do network troubleshooting, and moving people to the wrong vlans, etc), they moved into another building and 200 people were without phone service, etc..

    Last I heard one of the tenants is going to file a lawsuit, and that EVP is still running the show- they simply won't get rid of her despite the 1000s of costly mistakes that caused 3 people to leave now.

  140. Two New People?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless I am ramping up production or otherwise increasing my reliance on computers, I would be unwilling to hire two more bodies and to form a new department. If you can show that the use of computers has grown and has reached a large enough point to warrant another body, I would consider it. This is especially true if the body is an assistant or technician. If you want two bodies, you will need a road map and some metrics for current trends. Even then, I will probably schedule such hiring to occur over a two-three year period.

    1. Re:Two New People?!?! by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      My retort to that is take a three-week vacation. :-)

  141. Business Case by mardukvmbc · · Score: 1

    You have to speak management's language and create yourself a business case, then sell it. IT/IS/MIS/whatever is a business function like anything else. Find the $s in terms of productivity, licences, hardware costs, or whatever. If the money's there and you can prove it, it will be an easy sell. If you are supporting 100 it will be easy to find at least $1K/person and that's $100K in seed money to get you started. If the money's not there, you haven't looked hard enough.

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    "You disturb me to the point of insanity. There. I am insane now." - The Sprockets
  142. what is IS by arnorhs · · Score: 1
    Maybe I'm just stupid (ok, I admit, that's given)... but what is 'IS'. You mention 'IS' 18 times in that lengthy explaination without once mentioning what it stands for...

    Here are a few suggestions:
    • Internet Security
    • internet system
    • information system
    • internet sewage
  143. My suggestion by jdehnert · · Score: 1

    I would agree with all the folks saying brush up the old resume, but that would be just in case you can't pull off what you need to pull off.

    One poster who said, more or less to put on the old management hat and sell, sell, sell has got the right idea, but before you go in to sell you need to feel out what management really thinks is valid so you aren't trying to sell an import car to a domestic car person.

    Let's look at each point you raised.

    The main job of IS is connectivity. Connectivity is the core of why we have IS. Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it.

    So all they think they want is connectivity. Well, think of all the other things they are overlooking here and make a list. Basic user support, security, anti-virus, anti-spyware, patching, license management (a good example of the potential costs of being caught with 1 licenses copy of office and 100 installs helps here. Be sure you don't make it sound like a threat!), Application installs, hardware support, etc, etc, etc.

    IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary. IS is involved with other divisions when physical products get connected to the network, but not before. Software should be evaluated by IS only when it becomes necessary for purchase and implementation, not before. Any developed piece of software (we have an in-house programmer in accounting who uses Access -- I know, I know...) should be evaluated by IS when the software is ready to install.

    Just point out the real world costs of this. It should be easy to find cases of where this has bitten the company, and if they really believe in item 1, then management has stated that you should not be dealing with this.

    I'm too overloaded... I carry no management authority... Management thinks because things are running, I have no issues, etc...

    Well, you don't want to sound like a whiner. In the past I have addressed this by telling my management that I can do 1 of 2 things. 1. I can continue to do a half assed job on everything, or 2. I can do a top notch job of the most important things, and just let the other things fall on the floor.

    So, what you need to do is sit down with your management, make it clear to them on terms they can understand that things are not efficient, secure, or maintainable, and spell out what needs to be done to make things work in a manner that will benefit the company by lowering costs and keeping people spending 100% of their time doing what they were hired for, instead of 80% job and 20% IT. (If you aren't there that ratio will change dramatically.)

    You need to walk out of that meeting with them understanding the importance of IT to the bottom line. They need to be willing to say to the rest of the company, that changes are going to be made and that that is not up for discussion.

    If they still don't get it, start looking for other work. Management that doesn't get the value of IT even after it's been explained to them is never going to get it until it's too late. If the coming catastrophe hits while your there, they will blame you. If it hits after you have left, they will either blame you or beg you to come back and save them, or both. You probably don't want to be associated with them when it happens in either way.

    Lastly, if you go, spend those last 2 weeks documenting all the things that need to be done and hand that into management on your way out. Always keep your most professional foot forward.

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    Eschew Obfuscation
  144. Reason for being by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, write an IT Manifesto that describes the reason your dept exists. Get Management to approve this.
    Second, using the Manifesto, develop goals related to it and the business model of the company.

    You are in your position because the company produces invoices. Make the process of doing business at your business easier and everything else will fall into place.

  145. Easy answer... by atlacatl · · Score: 1

    Question:

    > What is the best way for new IS managers
    > to convince their superiors of the need
    > for widespread change?

    Answer:

    Show them how much money you will save the company by formalizing the IS department.

    The upper layer of managers do not care how cool the new technology is, nor how good easy it is to set up a computer. It must remembered that the main objective of most corporations is to maximize returns--cutting cost of operations is the best way to increase profits. Therefore any change that needs to take place, needs to be accompanied by the phrase: "This change will cut our costs by ENTER_YOUR_NUMBER_HERE%, because ENTER_YOUR_REASON_HERE."

    If your proposal can't say how much and how, then forget about it...

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    Esta es una firma en Espanol.
    1. Re:Easy answer... by sjanich · · Score: 1

      This is the best post here. Use financial justication. If you justify it with Money, everthing else because just details.

  146. A few things by caboosesw · · Score: 1

    1. Check out the whitepaper by Tom Berray on the different types of CIO's ... http://www.brixtonspa.com/Career/The_Role_of_the_C TO_4Models.pdf. This should give you some context as to what type of organization you are in. Adapt your mindset to your organization or you'll be unhappy for quite some time.

    2. Underlying all of the differences, are these people reasonable? If they aren't, no amount of research will support your effort. If they are, it will work out in the end.

  147. Had to present recently to the Exec's by Sull · · Score: 1

    I recently had to present to our Executive Team (CEO, CFO, all the Sr. VP's, etc) on the status of IT. Now, a bit of background. I was hired as the IT Manager to fill a need for an internal IT dept back in August of '04. The reasoning was two fold: Sarbanes-Oxley (SOX) compliance and the need to spend less on outsourced IT (they had no internal IT dept). Now, I report to the CFO, who is a brilliant man and realizes the need for IT (go figure). But, as we all know he is in the minority. I find a lot of us (IT folk) only see things from our eyes and expect everyone sees it the same way. We know we are important to the well-being of the company. We know without us things would deteriorate. We know we deal with other peoples problems all day long. But they don't. One of IT managements most important jobs (IMHO) is to help them see through our eyes. Make the Exec's realize our importance because if we don't help them, they never will. Nor will they ever have a desire to. Here's the deal, they have a company to run. If they need something from IT, they expect us to be at their call. Yes, that's one of our jobs, but in their minds, at that moment, it's our only job. Make them see that we have a billion other things going on. Show them Metric's if possible for help calls logged. Show them server up-time statistics and compare them to other companies. Show them SPAM prevention statistics (if possible) because if they relate to anything, it's email. For instance, I showed them during my presentation that we have prevented over 2 million spam emails from entering the workplace since 1/1/05. Those are numbers they take a look at and start to realize without you, that would be an inbox full of crap they don't want to deal with. Bring IT into their daily lives; make them realize what it would be like without IT and then they will start to realize the need for a quality IT dept. I also brought hard numbers into play. While all the other departments are spending money (marketing, sales, etc) I showed them that by bringing me in-house, I was able to save them $230,000 in outsourced IT. I then showed them that if you take my salary, my sys admins salary (I brought on in February), and all the project cost from this year you are still left over with money. That's the kind of thing they pay attention to. And trust me, I did a TON of project work (complete domain rebuild, Exchange 2003, many more). I also moved all our phone lines over to a good 3rd party provider and asked them to do a cost analysis versus AT&T for me. It came out that the phone moves will end up saving the company around $2,700/month. Numbers, they love numbers. Wherever you can get them and if they relate, put them in. The more technical we are the more they fade out from what we are saying. Bring our world down to the business level. Once you do that, everything should start to fall into place.

  148. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  149. Work on your communications skills by optimus2861 · · Score: 1
    "Management thinks because things are running, I have no issues, but I'm falling apart from all I have to do to keep things running. I need to offset the load so I can do more of the 'bigger picture' things to help guide this company out of the IS dark ages. (We have no CTO or CIO; Management is made up of engineers from different disciplines)"

    I see three things here that tell me you're not communicating very well with management, and possibly that the way you're selling your message is influencing management's decisions to go against you. I realize this is a Slashdot, um, whine, and not a professional presentation, but if your attitude here is carrying through to your talks with management, you may be half the problem.

    1. You say management thinks you have no issues because everything's running, but you're falling apart keeping things running. You clearly have not explained what it is you are doing well enough to management for them to understand just how busy you are. Keep daily log books. Get somebody to follow you around for a short time and show them just what it is you're doing if you have to. Be prepared to answer the inevitable, "Why do you have to do that?" questions. You'll probably also have to explain why it's taking you so much more time to keep on top of things than it took the "hobbyist" before you.

    2. Don't use phrases like "guide us out of the dark ages". You're setting yourself up as an "enlightened leader" compared to your "primitive cavemen" bosses with this kind of talk. You win nobody over to your arguments this way.

    3. As an engineer myself, I'd take issue with the dismissive tone you take to management being made up of engineers rather than having a CTO or CIO. Especially if there are some computer-savvy electrical engineers in that group, who may know just enough about IS to be able to question you on some of the things you want to do (though this might somewhat conflict with my first point). Tailor your message to your audience; the argument that works with a CIO because he understands the theory behind some computer security policy you want to implement may not work with the engineer who wants to know how that policy will affect how he does his job. If these engineers have brought this company to its now modest size, I would hope they're not completely clueless managers who just happen to have friends in high places. Chances are they're doing something right, which may well include a decision not to bog themselves down with an overly restrictive IS group, and you should acknowledge that.

    All that said, maybe you're right that your bosses don't have a good grasp of IS and are operating on some bad assumptions, and that it will catch up with them eventually. If they really won't listen to your professional opinions on the matter, you may have to move on.

  150. Time for ITIL by zipfaust · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you're creating an IS dept. It's time you start looking into ITIL See here for more info: http://www.itil.co.uk/ From what you describe of your situatiom, you're the only guy running the show. You need to start establishing a framework within your org to start managing IS/IT in an organized manner. ITIL provides a framework for which to do so. Trust me, you'll find this useful. Whether your company likes it or not, it has reached a critical point where it depends on it's IT infrastructure more than it thinks it does. You've gone beyond being the only admin running the show. The smart thing is to get their buy in on treating IS/IT like an asset and managing it correctly.

    My 2c :)

    1. Re:Time for ITIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how uninitiated the mod was to give the correct answer (implementing ITIL) a low score. ITIL is what just about every organisation from small to medium size is doing now to obtain an IT governance framework. Any other approach will eventually come back around to ITIL at some point. The days of putting together IS like you run your home network are over with.

  151. 5 yrs mgmt training and you seek answers here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That sums it up... after 5 yrs of (whatever) "management" you should be able to see what you need, and should have a reasonable idea of how to get it. If you don't, then you're not really mgmt material (except of course as a pointy haired boss.)

    Sorry, it's monday, and I'm not feeling up to sugar coating it. In a nutshell, decide where you want the department to go in the next say, 3 yrs. And make a plan, take that plan to managmenet and get a move on. No one else here knows what your company is like, no one knows exactly what hurdles you might face. So sorry, you'll have to do the work yourself. But more importantly you'll have to do *something*.

  152. A book I recommend by JerseyTom · · Score: 1

    You and your management need to read The Practice of System and Network Administration by Limoncelli and Hogan (Addison-Wesley). It has chapters that cover this kind of thing. (I'm biased since I'm an author.)

  153. Valuating IS by Bonehead_with_skis · · Score: 1
    "Success" in an IT operations space means that you've avoided all the problems. And usually, IT people avoid the problems in ways that mean that management doesn't know about them. And what they don't know about, they cannot see value in.

    Allowing failures is one way to establish the value of IT operations, because that is guaranteed to get management attention, but it's the kind of attention that will only benefit your successor because clearly *you* can't handle the job.

    So you need to educate your management.

    • What can go wrong? These are the risks.
    • What happens when a risk becomes a reality? This are called impacts.
    • What are the odds of the risk becoming a reality? This is the likelihood.

    Take the list of impacts and get management to rank them. Dollar impact, or just "Very Bad/Bad/Annoying/Don't care"

    Then you take your risks and likelihoods, and you build a map. High impact, and High likelihood means something ought to be done. Low Impact, Low Likelihood, and nobody really needs to care.

    Once you've done that, you have a map that shows your current state. So now, show what you can *DO* about the high end issues. So by hiring a backup guy, you guys are covered if you get hit by a bus. By developing a disaster plan, you guys will ready for a hurricane hit, or a terrorist attack. By getting IT involved in the development/requirements process, you can get extra time to qualify technologies or select software, or you can help them understand which requirements are real, and which ones are for a mauve database, and avoid the situation last year where they wasted $50k on a package that nobody used.

    Ultimately, it's about showing non-trivial and sustained value, just like any other part of a business should be operating.

    Presenting Risk in that kind of format is a very easy way to get people to understand and accept that value, as well as giving them next steps for how to make it so. (Just make sure your map looks out over years or else you're justifying a one-time effort instead of an ongoing group.)

    Also, sometimes doing that kind of risk assessment shows that it just doesn't matter enough. At which point you can accept status quo or not.

  154. I diagree completely. by DogDude · · Score: 1

    Time to update the ol' resume and make for the exits.

    Why? As long as you're still getting paid (hourly), and the checks don't bounce, who cares who crappy the company is, or in what kind of financial straits they're in. I think that's rotten advice in today's economy. If your hands are tied, and you can't do anything, then so what? I never understood IT people who feel that if they're not in charge, then they shouldn't be working there. Suck it up, be happy you have a job, and remember that you're just an employee... a grunt... important, but no more important than anybody else there. Unless you're at an IT company (software, hardware, etc.), then IT IS just a support service that costs money, and should be minimized, just like power, phone, etc.

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    I don't respond to AC's.
    1. Re:I diagree completely. by Stanistani · · Score: 1

      Well, we each are entitled to our own way of working.

      I have stayed at places that wouldn't listen to me for years... and ended up bitter and cynical. So for my happiness, I moved to an employer who would respect my experience and listen to my suggestions, and implement most of them, which benefited both of us.

      Paychecks are a necessity. So is peace of mind.

    2. Re:I diagree completely. by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Or, wouldn't a simple attitude adjustment on your part accomplished the same thing, but with much less pain and expense? When I was a developer, I couldn't care less if the company listened to me. I was paid (very well), so I did what I was told. When bad ideas came across my desk, I'd point them out and make suggestions, but at the end of the day, I still did what I was told. At the end of the day, I went home. If the company folded due to a bad techinical decision, it wasn't my problem.

      One startup I was with actually did because they listened to some Comp Sci dork spouting white paper bullshit with no real world experience (n-tier, object oriented web apps and performance/development time issues), as opposed to listening to me (I said that what he was suggesting doesn't work very well in real life). Their project came in very, very late, and over budget, and they were dropped by their largest companies. They folded shortly afterwards. It had -zero- impact on me. And, why should it?

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      I don't respond to AC's.
    3. Re:I diagree completely. by Clover_Kicker · · Score: 1

      If he's so overworked that he's trying to convince them to hire several new people, that's no fun. Nothing wrong with trying to find something that sucks less.

    4. Re:I diagree completely. by LMariachi · · Score: 1
      And thus you'll have zero impact on making the world a better place. I'm not saying join the Peace Corps, but there's a broad spectrum between charity and mercenary. Delivering a commercial product that's been improved by your input counts too.

      Attitudes like yours are exactly what everyone here complains about when they emanate from the corner offices -- CEOs making disastrous decisions to boost the stock for the next two or three quarters and then bailing with their golden parachute when the shit starts getting near the fan. "I got mine, fuck you." If it weren't so common it would be considered clinically sociopathic.

      Do you really like spending half your waking life doing something you don't care about?

  155. The role of IS in a corporation by lexxyz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was sitting at an meeting for IS with a large corporation and finally figured out what IS is to the company. IS is a child, they should never be heard or seen. They are not included in what grown-ups do. The only time they are noticed is when something is broken. In theory that is right, our job is to make sure that IS is not noticed. Providing seamless connectivity and services so that the footprint we leave behind is minimal. What I don't think that most major corporations understand is unless IS becomes a stakeholder in all activity then IS will be unable to do its job. I need to see forecasts for manpower, planning is critical to my being able to perform my job. I want to be proactive, but unless I get an idea of the what is coming up (it amazes me how few people actually have plans) I cannot provide the services they desire within the time frame (i want it, and I wanted it yesterday)

  156. Start at the top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What you need is not to create an IT department, but rather to create a process that management can buy into to create an IT department.

    Start at the top. If you don't get management buy-in, you may as well give up.

    Find out about what other firms of your size and business are doing. How many IT folks to they employ? What is the IT representation at the management table? THis data is your best ammunition for causing your managers to sit up and take notice. If you can find out budget figures, so much the better.

    Start building your wish list. Helpdesk software, remote management strategy, VPN, HR interface, and so on. You will need this when talking blue-sky with management and also when budget time comes around.

    Have an exit strategy. What happens if you make yourself indespensible and then want to leave? What happens if the company folds? Be ready.

    Good luck. If you can pull it off, you have one of those "proudest moments" you can talk about in interviews.
    --IT Manager

  157. change? by PhreakOfTime · · Score: 1
    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?

    Walk into your superiors office, pull down your pants, and take a shit on the desk. Turn around, and sing 'battle hymn of the republic' on your way out the door. Look for a better job where you dont work for people with a lack of understanding of how the world works today.

    The moral of the story? Nobody ever gets 'convinced' of the need for change. Whats it gonna take YOU to be convinced that it is YOU that needs to change your job?

  158. same situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked under a manager that was in the same situation as you. He was originally brought on as a "System Analyst" for 35k a year (this was for an indian tribal government in Oklahoma) because the old network admin was buying things like $3000 plasma monitors to "monitor the network from home." Accounting was signing off on everything because they didn't understand IT.

    Fast-forward a year later, and the man was run ragged -- Working on about 120 PCs and idiot errors all day long. The network infrastructure was fragmented. Cat5 was run hundreds of feet outside of buildings bundled with power conduits. 3com switches here and there, linksys hubs connecting parts of buildings, couple of cisco routers for a p2p -- out of warranty equipment -- departments handled their own purchases of equipment, and thus there were different models of dells, hps, compaqs, IBM, and computers scavenged from old parts. No harddrive imaging, or any type of policies regulating equipment use. Spyware and viruses galore.

    They eventually gave him the title of IT manager after booting the other one, without any pay raise.

    He hired myself and another tech and we built the infrastructure from the ground up. We viewed ourselves as elitists and since we didn't have a budget, we built it dirt cheap using a combination of current win32 infrastructure (needed for accounting applications) and added freebsd firewalls and linux servers. I built the email infrastructure on top of servicing users. As far as management was concerned; they really didn't care -- we were in our own little ivory tower existence of unix/linux server management.

    It was a fun time having free reign over all systems until there was an election and the entire administration was changed. the vice chief became someone my boss pissed off for violating some type of security practice that we placed high value on. So, the tribal side and the casino got split because the casino was turned into a for profit corporation, while the tribe was a not-for-profit using government grants. We became knee-deep in politics. Our fun environment was gone. Several layers of management were added above my boss who he had to answer to. The casino brought in a guy on contract for 4 years who answered directly to the vice chief. He started moving the email system to exchange and doing things that fell within our domain since the network infrastructure was still pretty messed up (we were working on completely changing it, but didn't have the funds) -- The new guy had a hand in everything. My boss and the other tech were eventually fired for political reasons, and I was pretty much hanging in there unhappy with the new management. My loyalty was gone and I was looking for other jobs. I left a couple months later without giving notice, because I wasn't needed.

    Things could have gone better had we been less pretentious. I'd say be as polite as possible and plan everything out as much as possible. Always look at the bottom line and try not to overstep your boundaries as a current sysadmin trying to power-play into a management position just because you think it is needed. If you can, see if you can hire another tech to help you out and try working up from there, again -- with heavy, heavy planning and complete management approval.

  159. wait... you by qwp · · Score: 1

    you work for engineers? oh god.. just give in and find a new job..
    who knows where they've been, or what they've done..

    Seriously though, start pulling a straight day at a normal work pace.
    Work at a sustainable pace, not a get it all done pace. Once there is a need
    for another member, and they are asking about your productivity refer to your report.
    Worst comes to worst you get to go look for a better job.

  160. Call a Meeting, Use Powerpoint by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 2
    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?

    The most common method in the business world is for you to create some Powerpoint slides, call a meeting, and make a presenatation. Have coffee and doughnuts available in the conference room. Have a patsy in the rooms to speak up and say "That's a great idea." For usually, if this is as most business meetings are, no one will disagree with the first person to forcefully articulate a position.

  161. First rule of selling by hey! · · Score: 1

    I'm too overloaded.

    The first rule of selling is nobody cares about you and your problems except you. Everyone is wrapped up in their own problems. If you don't understand the customer's (management's) problems and demonstrate this in a practical way, then you can't expect to them to look at your requests as anything but a tolerable buzz of complaints.

    Right now I'm guessing they only know one thing for certain about IT: a penny saved on IT spending is a penny earned. They don't see any downside to running with either a hobbyist IT department, or a grossly understaffed one. It's not on their radar screen, so it doesn't exist, whereas salaries are always on the radar screen. It isn't hard to spend a million dollars on IT salaries a year, a million dollars that could be going to senior management bonuses.

    So, your job is to relate IT staffing to things that matter to them: executing business strategy, managing customer relationships and projects, keeping expensive workers productive, avoiding risk (like what would happen if you decide to take a job where your work was more appreciated). To some degree this involves sucking up, talking their slang, even if it's barely meaningless management gobbledygook. That's the price.

    The only other advice I'd give is hire wonderful people, no matter how much it costs. Suppose you have a chance to hire a brilliant IT guy with top notch business and people skills for $150,000, or three losers for $50,000. It should be positively a no-brainer which way to go.

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  162. ratio by hakalugi · · Score: 1

    to main poster: first, organize your thougths (your post was kinda rambly). Then, put it in terms they (mgmt) would understand:

    quoted post'er: "I would agree that you need a tech to work with you; a ratio of 1:100 is ridiculous."

    [i say this because i hit 210 nodes (13 servers, 35 laptops, 30 thin clients the rest desktop PCs, and when i broke 175 nodes I needed an intern to keep my sanity]

    the original GP is now a highly trained/tuned sysadmin (vis a vis the company's current setup), and an intern (think $15/hr to start, budget $25/hr after a few years) at 20hr/week can do wonders. management understands the idea of not paying the lead engineer to tighten lug-nuts, so brining on an intern will 'save them' money.

    Don't get me wrong, i dig Altiris (used to use ghost), we host our own mail (spamassassin on *nix, postini, then exchange) host multiple DBs on sql, remote access, i've done all i can to automate and streamline (all XP PCs -5 year cycle on Dell Optiplexes 3yr + 2yr extended warr + more ram in year 4) WSUS for updates when altiris is buggy, i keep all my hardware under warr (nbd for end-user gear, 4hr same day on data closet gear), automated scripts and GroupPolicy is used a lot... but there are only so many printer jams one can clear in a day and be able to support/manage the 'high-level' systems that do the automation (plus look ahead, eval software, architect things, etc)

    i assume you do a budget... write-in $15k for 20hr/wk - $15/hr employee, it's the cost of 2-3 servers or 13 PCs... put it in or be ready to walk.

    Don't worry about the title now... mgmt thinks title = "he'll want more money" - which may be the case - but get the help to keep your sanity... and with the new-found time, implement a helpdesk system, or other value-added projects and get some momentum behind your 'team building' excercise. then once you have a team, and the network and service is 'better' than it was before, get the title and the raise... b/c you'll be more valuable there.

    but, at 100 nodes it's not so bad that you need 2 other FTEs. one half-timer will do.

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    If she floats, she's a witch.
  163. On managing networks by dosquatch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The first, most common, and most significant mistake that most IT shops make is that they are managing technology. This is wrong. The computer has no wants or needs, no defined function, no need to connect with other computers, save for what the user imposes on it. The computer is a tool, no more and no less. It is a high-tech hammer for pounding digital nails. Never forget this. Your job is to provide the best tool possible for the person using it. That means that you must understand for what it will be used, which in turn means you must understand the person, which means that the primary job of IT is customer service. You, dear computer geek, to be successful, must be a People Person.

    Users have certain needs, desires, and expectations of their tools. If the tool does not give the desired result, it is a useless tool. If you are in charge of that useless tool, then you, too, are useless. No amount of ranting, railing, policy, or scope statement to the contrary will change this simple fact. If you're not part of the solution and all that. You are in charge of the whole tool, not just connectivity. In a larger organization with thousands of connected devices you can break the job up into different groups (network, desktop, development, helpdesk) - but with 110 machines, it's all you, baby.

    Talk to your users. Sit in on planning meetings that involve technology or new software. Know what they want to do and why they're looking at this piece of software or hardware to do it. You may be able to offer insights. Maybe the desired result is an unexplored function of software you already have. Maybe there's a different package available that will do what they want better than what they're looking at. Maybe what they want isn't exactly what they're asking for. You won't know any of this unless you participate.

    Use the staff you already have. You said you're on your own. You also said that there are 93 permanent users. Use them. Deputize one or two technically savvy people from each department and make them your first line of defense. Your personal noise level will drop more than you'd believe by weeding out all of the problems that can be solved by rebooting and checking that connections are tight. Spreading this over a dozen people significantly lightens your day without negatively impacting theirs.

    Know, also, that your users don't understand the tool. They understand what they do with the tool. They know how to run a sales report without having the foggiest idea of how a database works. They know how to go to Google without having ever heard of TCP/IP, or knowing why T-568A and T-568B are different. They'll hand you a 4" square piece of plastic and report that "their hard drive is broken". So what? They don't need to know nuts and bolts. (What percentage of automobile drivers could change their own crankshaft? What percentage of residential electric customers could troubleshoot voltage drop on a generator?)

    That's why you, the expert, are there. You, dear people person, to be successful, must be a competent Computer Geek. Don't try to teach technology to your users. It wastes your time, and annoys the users. Save the acronyms, jargon, and 1337-5p34k for the tech groups. Answer their questions as simply and as directly as possible. Learn to recognize blank stares or nervous fidgets. If you see either, then you've gone on too long or shot too far over their head with your answer. Wrap it up or dumb it down. Communicate, absolutely, but let them be happy with the answer on their own level. An informed user with a fixed problem (or at least the knowledge that you're on the case) is a Happy User who will sing your praises. This is the lifeblood of job security and a pleasant workday. Cultivate it.

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    1. Re:On managing networks by sheepdog43 · · Score: 0

      You hit the nail on the head.

      You need some frontline defense, with that, one person can easily manage this network with no problems and people will be happy with what service they are getting.

      Some people will think this will waste of time, mention that if a person in the office eliminates 80% of the problems within 5 minutes, saving them time waiting for you, productivity will go up, rather than down.

      Done properly, you will not even need to be in the office full time.

      With a system like this in place, one person can easily mintain a network 2-3 times as large.

  164. Secret to long life is knowing when its time to go by limeginger · · Score: 1

    I agree. As Michelle Shocked said: "The secret to a long life is knowing when it's time to go."

    I was in a similar situation for 5 years. Until I left, I had no idea how demoralized I'd gotten and how badly my confidence had suffered. I forgot that it's *not* this bad wherever you are, and that I'm basically a pretty jolly, positive person.

    While there, I used pretty persuasion, logic, reason, lobbying techniques, sound management principles, quotes from gurus top management admired, built strategic alliances, used humor, wielded scare tactics, baked brownies, you name it--all to no avail.

    Sometimes the *culture* is what it is, and it is not going to advance or evolve. Staying there is not only bad for you personally, it's bad for your career.

    I left after 5 years--and that was 7 years ago. I still look back and shudder re: how bad the situation was. And how much longer I stayed than I needed to. But at the time, I truly thought I should be capable of changing the situation, that my inability to effect change was a reflection of my own shortcomings, and things would be the same or worse elsewhere--the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know--etc.

    But that was all misguided. So that's the negative.

    There are also positive outcomes of staying in a hostile, fruitless environment (and then getting the hell out). For example:

    (1) it'll be quite difficut to rattle you--almost anything will look like a piece of cake after your current situation; subsequent superisors, management, and staff will appreciate that--a sense of humor will come naturally with your new perspective

    (2) you'll find you did sharpen negotiation and additional management skills (and even though they didn't work doesn't mean you weren't wielding them well)

    (3) you may find you've tightened written and verbal communications skills having made and presented so many proposals, creating decision matixes, cost justifications, etc.; again, very valuable skills to employers

    (4) because you've handled so many diverse and disparate functions you have likely developed areas you might not have--the knowledge gained from which will be leveraged successfully in subsequent positions, both hands-on and as a supervisor

    (5) you'll forever have empathy for anyone who is overworked and/or in an untenable situation (which will include both IS and non-IS people with whom you work, management and non-management), which serves as a basis for self-motivation (remember, I am helping improve people's situations), staying focused, and keeping moving projects forward

    (6) you'll be astounded at how much you learned by witnessing really bad, self-defeating management practices, and how that resulted in improving your own management practices

    (7) you'll trust your instincts more; you'll never again stay in a situation like that or doubt or torture yourself so badly for a job---in fact, you'll know what to avoid and take heed when bells and whistles go off

    (8) you will never ever think that you need to stay somewhere out of loyalty or not wanting "to leave them in the lurch" -- they will always be in a lurch; when I look at the website of the place I left, I see in 7+ years they have addressed maybe 10% of the critical issues in the IS/IT realm, and within the company at large, and are just hobbling along -- few of the people I knew are still there, but those who are have the same complaints and continue to have the lifeblook sucked out of them

    As I said, it's been almost 8 years since I left that situation---and I have had 2 jobs since then: each one a big step up from the job that I was languishing in. And none was 1/4 as bad.

    So, get out!!!

    Easier said than done? Do it gradually. Each step will be valuable to you in taking next steps (and the company):

    1. Create your current job description -- maybe you have an accurate, updated job description, but it's doubtful -- since you're so focused on immediate issues and the position has probably morphed

  165. Just to recap... by Panaphonix · · Score: 1

    brainee28, you appear to need help; after all, you are asking Slashdot for help--this is about as desperate as it gets. Most of the previous comments were helpful, so I'll try to be as humorous as possible lest I get modded redundant:
    I work in the IS department for a manufacturer in Arizona (a one-man-show).
    You work in the IT department. You probably started calling it IS when you decided you were more important in the company than you actually are. I'll use both in a sentence:
    "That department IS not all that important."
    "I've never noticed IT before, but I like IT when the network's down because you get to take a pretty long break."
    Oh, you're a one-man show? You are no department, you're the IT guy. Start acting like it.

    I joined 6 years ago (I have 5 years of IS Management experience, and 15 years of experience with IS in general) with the idea that I would be managing day-to-day operations. That has still not come to pass.
    Clearly you have 0 years IS Management experience. Go do your homework.
    with the idea that I would be - That's no goal, try harder.
    That has still not come to pass. - What do you mean? When you walk into the office in the morning, what do you do? Take a nap? Surf pr0n? Sounds like unless you're coming in every other day, you're managing day to day operations. Congratulations, now get back to work.

    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?
    First of all why are you still reading this? Get back to work! Second of all, where the fuck did this come from? You haven't even convinced me of the need for widespread change! "Uh, boss, the widespready need for helper monkeys is clear; furthermore everyone on Slashdot agrees with me."

    Management views IS as a facilities function; computers are a tool, and only a tool.
    Those guys are fucking geniuses. Keep working for them and you might learn something. IT is only slightly more important than the air conditioner repair guy, and then only during the winter.

    I presented a proposal to them about 2 weeks ago which completely negates that and several other ideas they've had about IS. Management accepted the proposal; however I'm now faced with additional mountains to climb.
    Management did not accept the proposal. They got you out of the room because you wouldn't stop talking and you were starting to make them uncomfortable. I certainly don't want to invite you over to my house so you can start negating everything I know.

    I have 3 things that management and I currently don't see eye to eye on:
    This has gone on long enough. Those 3 things have nothing to do with anything and I wish I were Shake from Aqua Teen Hungerforce and I could take a nearby stapler and throw it at the floor such that it explodes on contact. However there are some good tidbits in there:
    we have an in-house programmer in accounting who uses Access -- I know, I know... - wtf?
    Software should be evaluated by IS only when it becomes necessary for purchase and implementation, not before" - that is a truism. ... should be evaluated by IS when the software is ready to install - "I, great overlord of IS, shall only evaluate software if I deem such activity to be important and when I'm done watching anime. Furthermore, I demand all software be compatible with my systems the moment they come into contact, and only then will I evaluate such software, bwa ha ha ha!"

    How would Slashdot users attack this? Probably start by running some scripts, then use a railgun or something. I'd suggest you get back to basics, be as helpful as possible to as many people as possible, and one day maybe your opinion will be important. But not today! Get back to work!

  166. Cough by ncurtain · · Score: 0

    http://www.performbettergolf.com/dvd.html

    Get them hooked on stuff like this and then pull the pu-uh-lug.

  167. Wrong field by The+Spoonman · · Score: 1

    I think a lot of your issues revolve around the fact that you're completely wrong in many ways...

    The main job of IS is connectivity. Connectivity is the core of why we have IS. Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it.

    The main job of IS (IT, MIS, MCIS, whatever) is efficiency. Connectivity is part of that, but not the end all and be all. It's obvious that your focus is just on keeping things running, rather than being proactive and providing your company with solutions. This is further evidenced by...

    IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary. IS is involved with other divisions when physical products get connected to the network, but not before. Software should be evaluated by IS only when it becomes necessary for purchase and implementation, not before. Any developed piece of software should be evaluated by IS when the software is ready to install.

    It's involvement is CRITICAL for success. How can you provide effective solutions to your endusers if you don't know what their problems are? How can you set and maintain standards if you're not involved in purchasing decisions? You don't get involved until something's ready to go on the network? That explains....

    I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority) on my own. My proposal stated the need for the creation of staff (a tech and a clerk). Management thinks because things are running, I have no issues, but I'm falling apart from all I have to do to keep things running. I need to offset the load so I can do more of the 'bigger picture' things to help guide this company out of the IS dark ages. (We have no CTO or CIO; Management is made up of engineers from different disciplines)

    With a microscopic network like that, you shouldn't be overloaded. I've handled networks and evironments three times that size completely on my own (well, technically we had a desktop tech, but he was worthless and I had to give him all the answers). The problem isn't management any further than the fact that they hired you. I'm sorry to tell you that your 20 years of experience have been wasted because frankly, you're incompetent. It's really time you looked into a new field. Perhaps fast food?

    How would Slashdot users attack this? I've done my Google searches; went back to traditional books from Barnes and Noble; and even contacted my alma mater, Northern Arizona University, to find some answers. How would you prove the need for change on these three points? Can I institute change here?"

    First, I would fire you. Second, I'd take an inventory of everything that is in place and figure out what's wrong and fix it. Third, create a strategy that creates standards and policies to keep things in line for the future (standards such as what hardware to buy, what software is approved, and policies that define how these things are enforced). That should only take a couple of months on such a small network, at most. During that time, you can also work with the other departments so that you can better understand their needs. You can also explain to them the policies and standards you're putting into place, why they're necessary, and solicit their input on them (which gets them involved and on YOUR side).

    Once these things have been accomplished, you can go back to those departments you've determined are the most likely to work with you, find out what their biggest problems are and help them find solutions. After a couple of successes like that, you'll find the other departments will be coming to you on their own to help them out. It's at that point that you can go to senior management and say "here's what we've accomplished, but I can't do any more without a headcount increase and a little more pull". Only the worst of managers will deny this request outright. If you at least get "a

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    1. Re:Wrong field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The main job of IS is connectivity. Connectivity is the core of why we have IS. Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it.

      "IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary...."

      I think in both cases he was expressing what MANAGEMENTS' attitude was, contrary to what he would like the situation to be.

    2. Re:Wrong field by BLQWME · · Score: 0

      Let me guess- you are the end all IT guru with an arrogant answer for everything. Your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance. You MUST own a company. Quit watching Glenn Gary Glenn Ross and realize someone had a problem and was asking for help, not a diatribe from Genghis Khan...

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  168. Get real! by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

    It's Information Systems. Different companies refer to the department by different mames, and networking should, generally, be a subset function of the [M]I{S|T} Department.

    You must work in education. Only in acedemia have I heard such noise. This is the same mentality that refers to a "Soldering copper" because they're not made out of iron.

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  169. Suggestions and disagreements by QuestorTapes · · Score: 2, Informative

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                    Up until 6 years ago, a few computers were scattered around, but
                    processes and business was still being done the old-fashioned
                    way (with paper). When the IS department was started, it was
                    started by a hobbyist (he was named IS Manager before I showed
                    up), who knew nothing about management or any of the major
                    issues that befall a traditional IS dept.

                    With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are
                    floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title
                    is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority)
                    on my own.

                    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their
                    superiors of the need for widespread change?

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    Managers coming from a "PC-free" environment will have enormous difficulty in understanding the objective requirements of managing the number of systems you're referring to.

    But they aren't idiots, normally. They can understand growth and change; they can follow basic math and unserstand staffing.

    Generate some report aids: [single-digit number of PCs in 1999] versus 110 PCs in 2005. Compare the normal staffing of other firms. For that number of users, a staff of 3 is quite reasonable; in many firms, the staff would be more like 6-8.

    Get an actual breakdown of the time spent on various tasks; show additional tasks that -aren't- getting done, as well as estimates for the time necessary to do them. Include the planning tasks you want to work on.

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                    I have 3 things that management and I currently don't see eye to
                    eye on:

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    Bluntly, management is in charge. If they view the functions of IS differently than you do, guess what? You're wrong. If you have reasons for feeling that duties management has assigned to IS staff should be elsewhere, then you need to change their minds by providing the (non-techie business-oriented) evidence.

    Bluntly, I don't agree with you on 2 of three things you mentioned either. While connectivity is a core IS concern, I'd laugh in your face if you tried to get me to believe it's the only concern. And, bluntly, I'd adamantly insist that a primary function of IS is to work with other divisions, assisting and advising on planning and procurement.

    If you need additional staff to handle those duties, it wouldn't surprise me. Particularly if they want to add application development and procurement. That's one reason many firms with similar numbers of users have 6-8 people rather than 3.

    Be prepared to lose on moving these tasks outside of IS. I am a techie, and if I was your boss, I'd insist they -are- your responsibility, and replace you if you failed to comply. But I'd also give you more staff, so you could handle it.

    If I were you, I'd also be prepared to lose. I've seen similar situations where people got ground up. The engineers in charge were absolutely adamant that there was no need for additional staff until -after- they burned through 5 complete changes of IT staff and management in one year.

    A lot of engineers don't like to admit that computers require the same level of skill as [insert engineer's field here]. Because of this, they often insist on keeping staff far too low and hiring underqualified people long after someone more unbiased would admit there might be a problem.

  170. Re:Step 1: Create an IT Department... by SSJ_Ramon · · Score: 1
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  171. Add more documentation and bureaucracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like the problem is that you don't communicate the amount of work you have to do to management. The solution is to generate a backlog. Create a system where people have to put every request in writing or at least in some sort of ticket tracking system. Assign each ticket a priority and work only on the ones that are truly critical. Let the less critical ones pile up while you document your departmental procedures and a vision for your department. Then, go back to management and show them the huge list of requests that you have that you don't have time to fulfill, and the overall vision and mission that you developed for your department. They will have no choice but to let you hire a few people to do the fire fighting while you build up the department.

  172. Third Way? by wild_berry · · Score: 1

    Is there a middle ground where a small amount of planning can mitigate a few large-scale problems (in a genuine use of the 80:20 rule)?

  173. You are pretty much screwed by lonebannana · · Score: 1

    Most likely, they do not care. If you do not want to do the job, they can hire some new kid fresh out of college to do what you do for probably half the pay. they'll hire someone under the job description "webmaster" then make them learn everything from Server maintenance to Crystal reports, all on the same pay (happens at my place of employment all the time.)

    And once they do the symbiotic exchange (employee gets years of experience versus employer taking their soul), the employee will quit, and it will start all over.

    whoopie....

  174. Dollars and Sense... by Man+from+Trantor · · Score: 1

    1: Your job is to see that they have the most efficent service possible for the cost they put out. Remember that your department is an overhead cost and that all right thinking executives hate overhead with a passion.

    2: If you have no budget, you are an admin not a manager, whatever your title may say...

    3: If number 2 is the case and you would like to change that, think about number 1. Show you're thinking about cost and not just kingdom building. Maybe they will trust you with some cash.

    4: ....?

    5: Stock options and a corner office!

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  175. Focusing on the Wrong Problems by pesky25 · · Score: 1

    You need to figure out what problems/issues the end usrs and/or managment has and use those to help your agenda. If the user/manangement don't have any problems, then your out of luck in introducing change.

    For example, if there are network bandwidth issues, or user account problems that take to long to fix/add, etc. create solutions to those that server your agenda.

  176. The funniest part of this post... by bluebanzai · · Score: 1

    ...Is that this corporation supporting government contracts only had "a few computers scattered around" six years ago. That was 1999, sirs. Leave it to them to be about 10 years behind everyone else...

    Maybe my memory serves me wrong, but how many computers did you have in corporation in 1999?

  177. 2 cents and then some. by digital+photo · · Score: 2, Informative

    You seem to have an idea of what it is that you believe IS should be at the company. Your current problem is that you are one person fighting a war of ideas with the rest of the upper management. The heart of the problem is that your definition of IS(Information Services?) and their's differ.

    1) Hammer out what IS/IT means to them and yourself and come to some concensus.

    You can't just tell them you are right and they are wrong. You can't even justify such a thing. It's human nature. It's like trying to convince people the world wasn't flat when everyone believed it was... even if you ARE right, you'll still be hung out to dry.

    You and management need to come to a compromise. Some middle ground of what your role and that of the IS department is. You have to decide on what you are willing to live with and what you absolutely must have a say in.

    2) You need buy-in.

    You pointed out you've get a few years of management experience. One of the most important things in management is to get buy-in for a project or an idea. If you have no supporters, you are essentially fighting a one man war. You'll live a hard and stressful life like that. Find allies who will watch your back and put in the good word/support for you when you walk out of the room.

    3) SWOTT / cost-benefit analysis.

    Once again, put that management experience to good use. Give them the SWOTT analysis and show them the cost benefit analysis of your ideas. Show them the same for their competitors. Show them what it is costing them to not take your ideas seriously. Show them the potential gains/benefits if some of your ideas are taken seriously and implemented.

    4) Keep in the loop.

    An IS department that gets the work order for an implementation when it hasn't been included in the planning stages is just a disaster waiting to happen. See above about getting buy-in. Use support to stay in the loop so that even if you aren't included in the actual planning meetings, you can at least serve as an advisor to one of the people who are. You get to have some say, via proxy, and you get buy-in from the person who proposes your ideas and it produces a smoother implementation.

    In this way, you build a visible positive reputation for yourself at the company. Otherwise, you are merely the complainer at the company who has all of these pie in the sky ideas about how the company should be managed when all you work with are the computers.

    5) You are taking on the errors and mistakes of your predecessor.

    Look, no matter your experience/skill/etc, the truth is that management sees you in the same like as the person you replaced. They've had to deal with that person's mess for years and have come to regard the IS department in a negative light.

    You may or may not realise this, but your job is to work on changing their minds about that and proving to them, through building up trust, that IS is an asset and partner to the company and that you are a reliable and insightful person they can rely on.

    Submitting a report/proposal/meeting showing them that their ideas are wrong and that your ideas are right carries little to no weight because you may or may not have built up any credibility at the company.

    You've been with the company for a few years, if that time has been spent invisibly fixing things and when you are visible to the management, you are making demands for processes to be changed, think about what the IS department looks like through upper management's eyes.

    6) Work somewhere else.

    Look, let's say you have tried everything and have worked hard to build trust, open dialog, and still... they won't listen. Then maybe it's time to leave. Seriously. You're just going to lose hair or get an ulcer trying to convince people who won't listen to you, but who still pile crap project after crap project on you.

    If leaving isn't an option, then you need to reduce your expectations of the company and place your hearfelt interests elsewhere and see the job for what it is: a job.

  178. reading material by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two books that might help:

    The Practice of System and Network Administration
    Limoncelli and Hogan
    Addison Wesley

    Time Management for System Administrators
    Limoncelli

    The first is the best technical book I've ever read. The second is a bit light weight but still worth reading.

    Both are OS agnostic.

  179. What is your position? by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

    I can't even tell what you believe. You list three things where you and company management don't "see eye to eye" but you never make it clear which you believe.
    If you can't even communicate that to a bunch of fellow geeks, you are a sys admin with no management capabilities, and you should just keep doing your best to keep the boat floating.

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  180. Focus on core product by mschuyler · · Score: 1

    I don't know if this is 100% related to your current problem, but it's an issue I have seen crop up. It's a 'story' and insofar as it helps--well, I hope so.

    I was a self-taught IT guy. When I started at my company there were no PC's, which weren't really invented yet. We had two terminals hooked to a mainframe 300 miles away. Needless to say, there was no IT department. I am a guy in a female-dominated profession. When the TRS-80 was introduced I used to walk over to Radio Shack on my lunch hour and stare at the plastic case and waft in the polymers. About a year later the Apple ][ came out, and I was the first on my block to get one, serial #32678. I taught myself BASIC, then I stuck in a CP/M card and taught myself dBase. I had one commercial program that sold for ten years. My accounting stuff ran in several different organizations for over fifteen years. I got a CNE, was dragged kicking and screaming into Windows, and managed to survive.

    A few years after I bought my Apple my boss came to me and said she'd been thinking we should get 'one of those computers,' and gave me the task. I bought an Apple ][, of course (no PCs then) and began to automate everything in sight, particularly statistics.

    By the time I retired we had 500 PCs, 40-50 servers, and 9 sites on a WAN with fiber to the Net. We had replaced our core system, a very complex inventory control system, three times. Every employee had a computer on her desk. In fact, there were more computers than people.

    That's background. Here's what happened. As soon as I retired management got together and decided they needed a /real/ computer person. There weren't any when I had been hired nearly 30 years prior, at least, not the kind like YOU ALL who are prevalent today. So they found a consultant, hired him, and he proceeded to get interested in a VoIP implementation at the expense of the core product. He let that slide because he really wasn't interested in inventory control. Employees were more and more frustrated. Finally after someone criticized him he said he was resigning in a huff (after 10 months or so) and went home to think about it. The organization wound up 'accepting' his resignation. So they hired another guy, a /real/ computer person as well, and he lasted about six months. In both cases the 'real computer person' mis-read the organization and didn't think the core automation product (the inventory control system) was worth his time and attention. As a result these two people failed and the organization went through a year and a half of floundering. Now they've hired a third IT person, a woman, by the way, who finally "gets it." I am hopeful (as I have 30 years of experience in that company and my blood and sweat are still there, my cables in the rafters and beneath the floorboards) that she will be able to put the IT team back together and they will live long and prosper.

    But the real issue here is that many times IT people are so enamored with themselves and their 'equipment' that they fail to give management any credence at all. Every boss is a PHB. Every manager sucks. Every employee is a point above an idiot. And only slashdotters are cool. I've seen this several times before. The IT people do not have the same sense of public service that their orgnaizations would like them to have. If they are in love with their data, they often fail to see what the product is--the one that sells, makes money, and pays their salary. They are inwardly focused.

    Actually I believe IT RUNS most organizations. That's very clear. No IT, No organization. But IT is not the REASON for the organization's existence. The best thing you could do is sit down with management with the attitude that it is your task to tailor IT to the needs of the organization rather than go in there screaming that management doesn't understand the needs of IT. If you do that, subsequently asking for resources to accomplish the goals of the organization will be much better received. I, for one, never lacked in resour

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  181. Work on your resume by olddotter · · Score: 1

    First, computers are tools, nothing more. If you don't understand that, get into another line of work.

    The only way you can get the resources you need for your job is to show the benefit the business will receive from giving you the resources. Can you save them time/money by increasing the connectivity between different systems? Is the time/money enough to off set the additional expense?

    If you work in IS or IT, you are overhead . You are an expense management will always be looking to cut. Get used to it. I can understand you being over worked if you have a poorly designed network supporting that many users. You need to provide a vision of what you can do with additional staff and resources and that vision better help the company do something better than it is doing now. (Faster order processing, more accurate inventory management, better customer support, etc.)

    If you can show a business justification for what you want to do, then you will never be able to talk a language that management can understand. In that case you need to give up on the dream of being a manager, and start looking for a job somewhere else.

  182. Hmmm, you have some work ahead of you by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1

    You will need to start by convincing management that you need the help.

    #1) if you do not have one, set up a trouble ticket system and use it. This gives you the ability to track the number of jobs you are working on as well as the time you spend working on them.

    #2) Generate monthly reports from it. Show the number of jobs, amount of time spent, The overall amount of down time. Categorize them into low, medium, and high issues.

    Once you have a few months of this, you can show the need for help.

    I have found that explaining stuff to management can be difficult. I like to use car analogies as it tends to get the point across. You should work on coming up with simple analogies to get your point across.

    It will take some work, the first step is to provide them with reports that show the work you are doing. I do not know how many servers you have, but look up best practices. Several outline how many people you should have. When last I looked it was suggested that you have an admin per 35 servers.

    Make sure you have the data to back up your claim of needing a computer department.

  183. It's all about you, baby! by Heembo · · Score: 1

    What is the best way for new IS managers to convince their superiors of the need for widespread change?

    The best way to breed resentment is to force a company or individual to change against their grain. You need a somewhat receptive comapany to begin with in order to address these issues. If the company you work for is so misaligned with your beliefs and practices as a professional, then find another job. Otherwise, you risk continued dis-satisfaction and professional stagnation.

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  184. No paragraphs by ncurtain · · Score: 0

    And someone actually read this?

    And scored it up?

    Bloody hell!

  185. Complete your toolbox. by ONOIML8 · · Score: 1

    I think the first thing you need to do is take a step back and get a different view on things. Drop the trained computer monkey mindset and quit the geekspeek.

    "Management" is exactly right that computers are a tool. Their company has a mission, it does a certain thing in order to produce profit for the shareholders (or whatever). Their computers and networks are a means to that end. You are a tools tool, it's your job to keep thier tools sharp and functioning.

    Quit looking at your goals or the goals of the "IS" department. Instead try looking at the goals of the company and the goals of the individual departments. Then ask yourself what tools you can provide that will help them accomplish their goals. Also ask what you can do to improve their existing tools that might make it easier for them to accomplish their goals.

    Remember why you and your IS department exist. You are a service, you are there to help them, not the other way around.

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  186. This worked for me: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make a list of what you are not going to be able to complete without help. Then make another list of what you are not even attempting because you don't have help. Demonstrate how your help will extend your own impact and create a clear picture in management's head of what they would get in exchange for their labor dollars.

    I would also reconsider your stance on numbers one and two. Remember, your company started as a one-man outfit. Many of your corporate decisions are probably still based on that concept. Do not stray from that. Think of ways to meet these needs and take them for granted as a key part of your organization's culture.

    If management believes your vision is in line with theirs, they will likely grant your request.

    If you insist on making changes, take it one day at a time. Make management feel like it was their idea to enact the change...

  187. Have a 'breakdown'. by chris_sawtell · · Score: 1
    How would you prove the need for change on these three points?
    You are obviously totally overworked, over a hundred varigated Windows boxes! The mind boggles! I understand that the norm is about thirty.

    You're totally immersed in firefighting all the little day-to-day problems, and doubtless run ragged doing it. You seem to have completely lost touch with the overall picture of what the Company is trying to do.

    Book yourself into the best Caring Institution your insurance will allow. This will give you time to refocus your mind on your own needs, and a rest from the pressures of the job. Alternatively have a decently extended Christmas holiday.

    Can I institute change here?
    Probably not, but at least you will be appreciated after your break. The management might even get you a helper.
  188. Boo Freaking Hoo by laplandsix · · Score: 1

    The trick is, to work _smart_ not hard. I'm a one man IS department with around 150 workstations spread out over one home office and 84 or so branch offices. We cover something like 7 states at present and increase branch offices at the rate of 4 per year.
    When I first took over, there were MANY weekends spent working. I had to set up a Win2k AD as well as DHCP server and DNS server. Had to clean up the incredibly disorganized file shares. Login scripts, restore scripts, GPO's, ect. However, I've put in the work now, and it's paying off. Most of my day to day calls are on the order of "reboot and try again". The really tough ones deal with hardware failures, and I have to make a road trip or find a local tech who will fix it.
    The trick is that we are knowledge workers. We get paid to think. So Think of a way you can do your job more efficciently.
    It seems to me that you're getting all caught up in the management side of it, and you want to manage processes and such. Well, it sure would be nice if it worked like that in the real world, but when you're a one man operation...it simply doesn't. You've got to get out there and do what it takes to keep the users happy, and most of all, keep them off your back! Save those management seminars for when you've got a couple people under you.
    I say one motivated nerd can do a LOT more than you think. No need to hire a staff just yet...

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  189. If it's not broke... don't fix it. by rick23509 · · Score: 1
    I understand your frustration as I too have worked for a company that acts this way. The only two "nice" things I can say is that it takes persistence with time and baby steps. If they're willing to let you get an "assistant" you should contact the Career Centers from the surrounding colleges and inform them of an open internship. Obviously you get what you pay for so offering an unpaid internship will not render the greatest results, but you will get some takers.

    If you're not willing to wait forever you could always take the more dangerous approach and let a few things that are "not covered" under your title break. Maybe security doesn't fall under your jurisdiction and a virus / Trojan infects the network. There are a thousand different scenarios that I could run thru but I'm sure you get the idea.

    In the past I've started by educating my employer's using slide shows and reports with statistics. Of course it helps to somehow relate the size and type of business that you work for to these statistics. When this didn't work I stopped doing things that were "not covered" under my title and waited for them to break. As sad as it is, most companies don't understand the potential pitfalls involved in IT networks. They see $$$ signs and flip out, not realizing that a few thousand now could potentially save a few hundred thousand from walking out the door tomorrow.

    The company I currently work for used to store most of our data locally. We had a "backup server" running Win2K and that was that. Even though the threat of losing all the information on our servers to fire and water damage / theft was mentioned countless times before it has taken us almost 5 years go get a tape backup system that allows us to keep a full system copy offsite. In this case it was the recommendation by several others aside from the IT manager himself that finally made someone open there eyes.

    In my experience it's been up to the flip of a coin toss as to how companies react to change in this department. So try those two suggestions I mentioned earlier and if your not in fear of losing your job maybe the last one and see what happens. Good luck.

  190. What you should do is: by Slackfumasta · · Score: 1

    There's nothing that says you have to implement all the changes you want right away. Often, it's much more effective (and accepted by your uppers) to implement new processes/equipment/software packages slowly and let them become a natural part of people's day-to-day use. Don't rip out all your Windows servers, replace them with FreeBSD, push everybody to OOo and FF and install a brand new totally locked down Smoothwall all in one week - you'll get fired. I find at my company, where I am the only IT guy here, so I am responsible for everything from paper jams to procurement to the phone system, that it is much easier to plan a project, gather quotes, and present it to your boss in a manner that shows why it makes sense for the company to do it. If you can, put together a budget plan for 2006, broken down by quarter and by project, with all the costs involved for the things you want to do. Then, ask your boss for a meeting to discuss your plans for the year, and be prepared to explain why you want to do these things in layman's terms. You probably won't get everything approved, and maybe only a couple of your ideas will fly, but it's a start. Once you can follow through with a project and then help your company see the benefit, things will get easier down the road as they learn to trust your judgement. However, none of this will matter if you don't broaden your mind about your responsibilities. If you are the single IT or IS guy in the company, you are basically responsible for everything with an On/Off switch. Connectivity is only a part of your job, and if that is all you focus on, then it's not surprising that your company does not see a lot of value in having you around.

  191. Suggestions for Making IS Work for Your Company by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    QUOTE:
    >3 things that management and I currently don't see eye to eye on:

    >1) The main job of IS is connectivity.
    No, the main role of IS is to help the business use technology effectively. Yes, you must provide connectivity but certainly once connectivity is in place, you can move on to other more interesting tasks

    >2) IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary
    Baloney. IS should be involved in ALL the divisions of a company. After all, you have the ability to help each area of the company select the most appropriate technology; and doing so will make your workload much easier than just having other people's decisions thrust upon you. Maybe you feel overloaded, but don't twist the objectives of IS to fit your whims.

    >3)I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations
    Yes, that's obvious. I ran a 7-location real estate agency with 85 employees and 500+ real estate agents, so I know how difficult it can be supporting multiple users with only *1* member of the IT staff. However, it _can_ be done, although I'd make a strong push for them to bring in a younger guy, say 20-25, who can be your assistant. Over 100 users, and you might need 2 assistants, depending upon how much web development and product recommendations you have to do in addition to day to day maintenance and troubleshooting.

    **

    The very first thing you must do to survive this job is outline your responsibilities. This may take some time, especially if you keep getting dragged in different directions. But if you cannot outline your job, there's no way you can set goals and assess your performance -- which of course could lead to making a case for a) hiring additional help and b) getting greater pay and benefits (like perhaps a day off now and then -- wherein you'll need an assistant to man the fort).

    Second, list out current crises and next, a list of objectives you'd like to obtain in the coming year. Then plan what it will take to bring the company out of its current firefighting mode so that you can be proactive. Management might then be convinced of your need to bring onboard at least some temporary help so that you can make headway towards meeting other departmental objectives that require the input of the IS department.

    Nobody likes to fight fires. It took $40k worth of equipment and software and 3 months, but I was able to turn around my previous employer from a reactive IS environment to a proactive one. This made my job more interesting and less stressful. Plus it endeared me not only to management, but also to the users, who were then able to cut me some slack because they knew that I had busted my back to make their computers run better.

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  192. Cost, ROI and some pretty fancy sales skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    This will be a very large undertaking. I recommend you follow a road map similiar to this:

    1. Make them understand the cost of their current operations:

      You don't have to get as detailed as some would think. You just need to make them understand how the potential of IT (IS) can offset their current operating costs. It is an investment, but one if executed properly can achieve operations running at a lower cost. A good example of this is on the manufacturing floor, ask them how many products they can make in a certain amount of time. If they can't answer, then you got 'em! Or ask them, do they know what the biggest bottleneck in their manufacturing process is. If they can answer this, quickly think of how IT (IS) can straighten it out.

    2. Make them understand what up-to-date technology is capable of

      This crowd certainly understands what innovation can do to productivity. I hope you and your 15 years of experience can vocalize this as well.

    3. Set up proper expectations and make them understand that it is a journey to achieve ROI on technology

      Do yourself a favor and let them know they are in for a long haul. But a worthwhile one. Select a scalable solution and a uniform platform. I like windows and .NET because everyone is familiar with it and you may have servers that already support it. If open source is your choice, than develop thin client apps (LAMP) for productivity and processes. These are just suggestions and it is your job to determine the best technology for your company. Java may be the right answer. Just make sure to utilize your current resources. Don't upgrade (downgrade) everyone to linux desktops because you want a uniform linux platform. Instead build new apps as web applications.

    4. Get good staff for the implementation.

      Don't hire any of the crazy people that post things on here about how you suck because you used the wrong wording. Hire people with experience that are willing to learn and grow with the transition. Don't get an old dinosaur who does things because "That's they way we have always done it!" or is over opinionated. This is a transition, you need flexible people.

    5. Involve the business folk

      This boils down to communication in all aspects. When a company forks over tens of thousands of dollars for a new system, they want to know everything about it (aside from the things they don't understand). Many IT folk are turned off by non-technical management involvement. Instead you should embrace their opinions and advice, because after all, they are going to be using it and are going to be the first to complain if it doesn't work according to their expectations.
    6. Don't get frustrated

      This is a long and difficult transistion. You will get yelled at, you will be made to work long hours. But as IT (IS) folks, we crave this work, so just be patient and understanding. Otherwise, you'll get mauled but uneducated people complaining.

      GOOD LUCK!!!! :)
  193. IT Management is non-technical by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    IT/IS is a service. It is also a money-loser for a company. If something doesn't make financial sense, it shouldn't be done. Don't be afraid to play the "risk" card. I know plenty of places that skimped on backups, only to get bit in the ass when something crashed. But then, I've also done the math and proven that with the cost constraints and prices, throwing away computers was cheaper than fixing them. Or that a new server was cheaper than not getting it.

    You say that they accepted your proposal, which included new personnel. Just stard doing it. Go to HR and tell them you need a PC Support position created and filled, drop the resumes off on your desk and you'll tell them who to call in for interviews (or if they don't arrange the process, tell them the opening to post and you handle the giring all yourself). Once he (yes, I'm sexist, and most of them are male) is in and taking care of the little stuff, sit down and make a plan. What do you want to do first? What do you need that you can't do yourself (such as spending money)? Is there anything that is an emergency (like backups)? Get those things in motion. Then outline what you need to have happen that isn't the way it was before. Whether this is hardware ordering, software approval, or anything like that, it needs to be documented and signed off on by all the managers. This needs to be in addition to the proposal that has already been accepted. They need to see more concrete and explicit things, rather than just a "I'd like to see improvements" memo. This will let them know what to expect, and make sure to word it in a way that they will see the benefit.

  194. Easy just call CDW! by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 1

    Easy, just call CDW, problem solved: http://www.cdw.com/webcontent/land/page/media_cent er.asp
    Be like Fred!

    Seriously, you need to get real. If you as the one and only IS person can keep things afloat then management will never hire you a PFY (pimply faced youth) to be your assistant! It's a small business, they don't have money for an IT department! Never gonna happen, you are the chief geek, get used to it.

    The only real solution is to screw things up enough get overwhelmed and then ask management for help and beg them to hire an assistant. The alternative is to start making some serious automation to make your life easier. Learn some programming like Python or Ruby and get cracking on making it easier to admin user accounts, etc. Oh and stop thinking you are joe IS manager because ya ain't... If you are an experienced IS manager then you got a raw deal and are now the SysAdmin grunt; Time to move on, dude! Basically, you need to face reality, this company will never have a large IT environment like a Fortune 100 company so stop trying to change it to be like a Fortune 100 company IT infrastructure. It sounds like a small business that just can't spend money on staff nor IT gadets.

    Alternative, call your local high school and speak with the guidance counselor as well as a computer teacher or two. Find some youthful volunteers who want real world experience. Maybe you can get management to hire one or two of these kids part time. Beats flipping burgers at Mickey D's!

  195. I agree with you 98%. by LazloToth · · Score: 1

    Your point is well made, and I certainly agree with most of your statements. Regarding disaster recovery, though, I'm reminded of that old saying about bad weather: everyone complains about it, but nobody does anything to change it.

    DR is one of those fuzzy, mysterious areas of the business plan on which most execs hate to spend money. After all, they reason, the chances of needing to rebuild from it are miniscule. Laughably (or sadly, depending on the circumstances), the half-baked DR plan usually gets past the auditors and then is treated with reverence, like some sort of talisman, despite its being out of date and ridiculously optimistic.

    So, the chances of consultants 1) being available when you need them, and 2) being able to work from the nominal recovery plan you've handed them after the flood are probably not confidence inspiring. I must say also that I've watched consultants descend upon our network to do "turnkey installations" on a few occasions, and the people sent to do the job would have been lost without the babysitting and total cooperation of my team. I maintain that nothing beats your in-house team of experts - - it can take days for outsiders to get their bearings on a strange network, especially if your network configuration, fault tolerance and data management schemas, etc., are highly proprietary or complex.

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    1. Re:I agree with you 98%. by ocbwilg · · Score: 1

      So, the chances of consultants 1) being available when you need them, and 2) being able to work from the nominal recovery plan you've handed them after the flood are probably not confidence inspiring.

      That's assuming that your DR plan is deficient and untested. I don't know how you do business, but we do DR drills every year where we actually go through the steps of rebuilding our environment in a platform lab. You find out pretty quickly just how well your DR plan works in those cases.

    2. Re:I agree with you 98%. by LazloToth · · Score: 1

      That's admirable - - I salute you. I would like to be able to say honestly that our disaster recovery plan has been given a truly realistic test, but I can't. Judging from the articles that appear regularly in IT management journals, I can't help but feel this is commonplace. I'm curious - - what is the size of your operation, and in what industry do you work? I think my outfit is pretty typical of companies of fewer than 500 employees, but that's only a gut feeling. Talking to other front-line IT managers in conference settings, I've heard (from those who felt they could speak openly) that their plan boils down to storing tapes offsite and occasionally testing their backup/restore software. That kind of "preparedness" doesn't begin to address a situation where one's data center is wiped out, leaving branch operations orphaned until a new termination point for all those T1 and VPN connections can be brought online. How many small- to medium-size businesses have a stand-by data center with WAN terminations ready to go? How many go through the exercise of activating the stand-by facility? And who thinks consultants could come in under fire to do this work? My opinion is that good documentation of processes and topology and proper attention to data preservation are the key ingredients to recovery. An in-house team - - one that's reasonably well compensated and not overloaded to the point of burnout - - can perform in a way that no outsiders can.

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    3. Re:I agree with you 98%. by ocbwilg · · Score: 1

      I'm curious - - what is the size of your operation, and in what industry do you work?

      We're in healthcare, and have about 400 full-time users spread over several shifts.

  196. From the Author by brainee28 · · Score: 1

    I appreciate the comments so far. However I did want to clarify a few things.

    1) The reason for IS instead of IT-My company uses the term IS, not IT. Mea Culpa...I should have used the term Information Systems to start out with. Apologies.

    2)The 3 basic Contentions-Many of you got the idea that these 3 statements were my thoughts on running an Information Systems department. They're not.



    1) The main job of IS is connectivity. Connectivity is the core of why we have IS. Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it.

    This is their position. Mine has always been that service and user issues drive what I do.

    2) IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary. IS is involved with other divisions when physical products get connected to the network, but not before. Software should be evaluated by IS only when it becomes necessary for purchase and implementation, not before. Any developed piece of software (we have an in-house programmer in accounting who uses Access -- I know, I know...) should be evaluated by IS when the software is ready to install.

    Once again, this is management's position. Mine is having interaction at the right points. I must have not made it clear this was their position, not mine.

    3)I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority) on my own. My proposal stated the need for the creation of staff (a tech and a clerk). Management thinks because things are running, I have no issues, but I'm falling apart from all I have to do to keep things running. I need to offset the load so I can do more of the 'bigger picture' things to help guide this company out of the IS dark ages. (We have no CTO or CIO; Management is made up of engineers from different disciplines)

    I guess what I meant to say on this was that it's essentially a tradeoff now; I can't do the admin functions that management has "expected" of me without systems issues (user issues with hardware, software and network) taking a hit; I've essentially sacrificed any kind of structure I can setup in order to solve user problems all day and into late nights. Most of why there's no structure is essentially a time issue; if I had any semblance of time to do it, I have lots of ways to do it, but I'd be sacrificing user issues, and that's the only thing manangement has been concerned with for 6 years.

    I also did not tell them they were wrong. They accepted my proposal because I've done enough over the last 6 years for them to trust some of the things I explained. I did not threaten or force them; I simply explained what my years of experience and what my role as it applied to their business was as perceived by me. Some people seemed to comment that I stuck this down their throat; they didn't take it that way at all (in fact, the owner of the company authorized my proposal before I submitted it.)

    3) Some have mentioned about proving it based on numbers and ROI. Yes, in an environment where I would have the time to be able to compile this information effectively, that would work, but I found, even when doing this proposal, that I had no time to do anything else. User issues, management inquiries, admin functions, some semblance of a home life, and sleep were what I could normally fit into my timetable. The proposal reinforced the idea that something would suffer. It did.

    4) Some mentioned about being able to handle 100 users or so without breaking a sweat. Yes, under conditions in which you have a certain amount of control, time, opportunity, and budget to do it, it can work (and yes I've seen it). I have limited amounts of some, and none of others. Take your pick as to which ones. I was left with a shambles of a structure; I've been trying to maintain it for 6 years, but its not maintainable like this now.

    5) S

    1. Re:From the Author by genxgaming · · Score: 1

      Time for a serious response. Sounds like they respect you for doing such a good job given the crazy circumstances. I respect you for that, but I also have to emphasize that you need to get priorities straight. Your home life, in my opinion, should be before work life. Your family and closest friends should take precedence... especially when it's past the 8 hours you are paid for. And you need time for yourself. Live a little... the company isn't as important as your life. Take your job seriously, but really consider what matters in the long run. Back to the question: I think you need to learn to say no sometimes. You don't have to be a jerk... you can be really round about in saying it... or you can just say "Can it wait a while? I have some semi-emergency projects that I have to complete". Be really careful about who you hire. I would really take my time... get someone who really rocks. Attitude will matter more than knowledge or skills in this situation, I'd say. Get someone who will learn on their own but isnt afraid to ask for help. If you get someone with an attitude you will regret it. Pick one or two manager types to get to know personally... go to lunch with them and figure out what will help them. If you have a cool CFO or respected accountant, I can guarantee you that there will be software out there that they need badly. You be the man in control of implementing/recommending it... or if they have some in mind, become the expert. and they'll understand your worth. Get a friend to make some good software on the side that is relatively easy to make. Get the company to buy it. Make sure it's a friend (or yourself) so that you won't be fighting something that is trouble... you want something that will make your life easier. Work a little overtime for free, but not much. Actually after 6 years of that, i bet they owe you two years of overtime.

  197. This is so wrong by mollusk · · Score: 1
    I'm probably too late to this discusssion for my reply to be read, but futility never stopped me before.

    You seem to have some amazingly bad viewpoints on the function of IS in a business. Information Services should be exactly what the name implies; managing data as a support function to internal departments. Unless you are in company which provides connectivity to customers, you are only there to assist the other departments.

    1) The main job of IS is connectivity. Connectivity is the core of why we have IS. Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it.

    Uh, no. The main job of IS is not connectivity, it is using technology to increase productivity within the organization as a whole. While connectivity is an import part of many of the advances in tech, it is only as important as it's contribution to IS as a whole.

    If they had to make a choice, which would be important to your management: a pair of computers with perfect connectivity but no apps or a pair of computers with applications that allow the users to perform their work but involved sneakernetting files? All the network management in the world is useless without applications.

    In a large corporation, you have specialized departments to handle these tasks, but as the only star in a one man show (I'm in the same position), you need to balance these roles.

    2) IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary. IS is involved with other divisions when physical products get connected to the network, but not before. Software should be evaluated by IS only when it becomes necessary for purchase and implementation, not before. Any developed piece of software (we have an in-house programmer in accounting who uses Access -- I know, I know...) should be evaluated by IS when the software is ready to install.

    BS. You are throwing away one of the main benefits of having talented employees: Inhouse expertise. More than your job description, you are there to provide your experience and insight into improving the business process as a whole. The majority of productivity gains come not from having technology, but from the creative application of that tech to existing departments. How the hell do you determine the best IS architecture design if you have 0% understanding of how it is used? Maybe your perfect "connectivity" is actually disrupting work flow? How would you know? Do you even care? This habit of sitting in an ivory tower and ignoring what end users need (not want) is one of the main complaints that companies have about IT/IS. At that point, it makes sense to outsource the whole operation.

    Also, how are other departments supposed to make the determination of which hardware to buy without your input? Hey look, engineering just bought a nifty foomatic 7000. Too bad it uses NFS to diskless boot and we run a Windows architecture. The sales team bought a killer CRM app. Oh by the way, the vendor insists on doing the install themselves and needs root on the box to do it. Hope you don't mind. (The contract is non-refundable btw)

    Ignoring the inhouse programming talent is one of your biggest mistakes. So what if it's Access. He probably knows enough VB to make your job a lot easier if you asked. Also, why wait until he's done with development. I bet you will have wished you had asked him for a silent network install option when you are visiting each one of those 100 workstations just to click 'OK'.

    3)I'm too overloaded. With 93 permanent users and 110 workstations (some are floaters), I can't do both systems work and admin work (my title is Systems Administrator, but I carry no management authority) on my own. My proposal stated the need for the creation of staff (a tech and a clerk). Management thinks because things are running, I have no issues, but I'm falling apart from all I have to do to keep things running. I need to offset the load so I can do more of the 'bigger picture' things to help guide

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    1. Re:This is so wrong by mollusk · · Score: 1

      Oops, Just saw the author's reply in the post above mine. I didn't realize those were the management view of things.

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  198. Welcome to my world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feel the burn, I am an IS manager for a very large medical practice with 200+ subs and 200+ network connected devices that span 5 cities; all by my lonesome. Get organized, and MAKE the uppers know that any update to an outdated network is money in the bank!! Better now than later with the addition of a third party (and pricey) contractor to help implement the new tech.

  199. I've Seen A Similiar Situation by javajosh · · Score: 1

    I recommend that you: 1. not worry (most important), 2. do not go on call, 3. work smart for 8 hours a day, no more, no less. If this is enough labor to support all of the companies computing needs, then no change is needed. You will know if it is enough because things won't break. Be very aware that you may be wrong, and accept that possibility. Then you'll be able to get what you want.

  200. Big company dreams, little company reality by humphrm · · Score: 1

    First, you say that even though the hobbyist IS manager left a few years ago, and although you now are the sole IS staff, your dream of being day-to-day IS manager has not come to pass. Hmm, what, do you want them to put a crown on you and bow down? Do your job, and you will be day-to-day IS manager.

    1) The main job of IS is connectivity. Connectivity is the core of why we have IS. Anything else is extraneous, and I shouldn't be dealing with it.

    What, is this GE? Chase? You work for SBC? I got news for you buddy, in a one-man IS shop, nothing is extraneous and you should be dealing with everything. Lifes a bitch, get on with it.

    2) IS involvement in other divisions isn't necessary. IS is involved with other divisions when physical products get connected to the network, but not before. Software should be evaluated by IS only when it becomes necessary for purchase and implementation, not before. Any developed piece of software (we have an in-house programmer in accounting who uses Access -- I know, I know...) should be evaluated by IS when the software is ready to install.

    Is this your position, or theirs? If theirs, you are absolutely right, it's dead wrong. If it's yours, well then, I can see why you haven't gone any further in this company. Maybe IS isn't quite your calling.

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    -- "In order to have power, I must be taken seriously." -Mojo Jojo
  201. simple let everything crash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    management wont do jack shit unless its mission critical. In other words, they dont understand the importance of redundancy, performance over usage etc. THey will ask you to justify what you need by explaining it in writing, graphs charts etc. The problem is that they dont have the capacity (unless maybe they have IT experience) to understand what you are telling them in relation the $ amounts you are throwing at them.

    I was in a similiar situation. The only way we could eventually get management to want to spend money to upgrade etc, was when the server they were so dependent on for email, db access etc just crashed because it was being overwhelmed.

    Many workers these days take for granted all the dependence on computer systems. They take for granted what they have (especially sales types) until its down and unavailable. All of a sudden they realize how mission critical these machines and systems are to the company.

  202. Hate to say it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the only reason they won't let you have your own staff is because they want the money. That's the bottom line. If you want to propose a staff, you need to show them a roadmap of where things have been, where they are, and where they're going. Obviously, without an experienced team, the project will go downhill and fast. It's happened before, and it will happen again. Justification on all angles is what they're looking for in hiring new people, and perhaps a re-write of NDAs is in order. Food for thought.

  203. Promise them something new by try_anything · · Score: 1

    I'm not in IS, but I've been in the same quandary you are -- running myself ragged running a one-man show that I shouldn't have been handling by myself. The problem is that the "correction" of the problem is to replace one superhero (you) with several normal (less hardworking) people who will collectively cost several times what they pay you. The company pays more and gets the same result. You'll never be able to sell them on that. Instead, you have to promise them something they don't already get.

    Incidentally, this is why you should never do anything in superhero mode -- wait until they let you do it sustainably, or you'll be stuck doing it alone forever.

  204. Uh, yeah by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Assuming those hubs aren't isolated from each other or that you have only 1 hub, it could be a big problem.

    I once had a small network with a single saturated hub. I replaced it with a cheap switch but a few PCs wouldn't play nice with the switch.

    I put those few PCs back on the hub which I then connected to the switch.

    Now everyone is playing nice-nice, there are very few collisions, and I didn't have to shell out for the good stuff, er, I mean a decent switch.

    In theory I could've done the same things on a 100+ PC network. In practice I would probably have shelled out for managed switch(es) and if necessary, thrown a router in the mix.

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  205. First step?... by JWtW · · Score: 1

    The first step is to realize who you're working for...
    You said you are working for a manufacturing company, however you talk like you're working for just another company that doesn't understand IT--or the way 'you' understand IT/IS? (flamebait? I wonder?)
    In manufacturing, computers ARE just a tool--a means to get to the final product--albeit a vital tool. That's the way they've been living since the company start-up. Mostly paper, eventually some CNC programing, and mostly fly by the seat of your pants--that's manufacturing.
    You mention connectivity, but you don't mention what kind. Are you networked through a VNC server that connects your CNC programers to the operators on the floor? You said 100+ computers, so I hope so.
    Manufacturing types don't cotton too well to change--unless you can show them how these changes will enhance the buisness.
    The only way to do that--being that you're an IS/IT guy--is to talk to the vendors. Vendors of the 'manufacturing' solutions would be busting down your door to get in to do a dog-n-pony show. They can speak the manufacturing speak (that's what they need, and you CAN'T do it), and provide just enough 'razzle-dazzle' to get you what you need. And, you can do this without showing any proprietary/secret info.
    Maybe manufacturing solutions aren't your problem, maybe you're just trying to get a lackey or two, I don't know. It sounds like you want to change the company. Not gonna happen. You are not going to get a manufacturing company to realize what a software/online buisness company needs to realize. Two totally different worlds...
    Once again, it's just a tool (taken for granted)....

    --j

  206. Calm down kids, brainee; do not quit, do the next by nsalinux · · Score: 1

    brainee, you said :

    I work in the IS department for a manufacturer

    That means you are dealing with the most savy style of management in the arena of managers. You have good managers that can listen to employees, talk to each other, and work things out to keep the ship sailing. The worst environment for managers is in the manufacturing sector. It has no mercy on a manager that does not perform up to expectations. I am possitive that you are not the only one who is stressed out at your work place.

    you also said:

    I can't mention who I work for since we deal with government contracts

    That means that the source of finance for your company to finance production and operations are not from the stock market. Your company is getting financed by treasury bills, or treasury notes.

    To know the meaning of it, it simply means that the government issues a bond to investors (usually in increments of $1,000 bonds), to do a certain project, for a certain amount of years until the bond reaches maturity. T-bills are less than a year (4-weeks, 13-weeks, 26-weeks), T-notes are 2 years, 5 years, and 10 years.

    What it means to you, is that sources of finance for your manufacturer has been issued already, and there is no more money coming in AT ALL.

    You are working in a tight ship, just like everyone around you in the whole company. You are not the only one suffering in your company. You are NOT getting financed by Corporate America stock market. Corporate America has different dynamics for finance that works in the increments of 3 months, or quarterly budget, that drives from an annual budget.

    In Corporate Amrica, you can convince people that the need for better software, hardware, networks, security, and trainning is needed, and the board of directors will be VERY VERY HAPPY, as they will issue more stocks in the market to finance the growth, making them eligible for a cut of the deal as a bonus, making them also looking good infront of the investors as they are on "the top of new technology.

    That is not your case. Welcome to the world of Government contracts.

    You also said:

    I presented a proposal to them about 2 weeks ago which completely negates that and several other ideas they've had about IS. Management accepted the proposal

    That means that :

    1- Your management team listens to you.
    2- Your management can see that you are working very hard, and trying to come up with ways to do things better.
    3- Your management trusts your judgment, and willing to give you what you want IF and only IF you take it easy on them, and explain it in their language, which you did.

    Bottom line; Good job.

    You also said:

    When the IS department was started, it was started by a hobbyist ... who knew nothing about management or any of the major issues that befall a traditional IS dept.

    That means you are left with old undergraded hardware, old operating systems (I estimate that you might have a win95 machine running somewhere on the floor) non-matching hardware (your ghosting process takes longer than it should), in addition to aging wires, routers, switches, and network cards.

    You also said:

    we have an in-house programmer in accounting who uses Access

    That means you have a buddy in the place, and he is aware of the problems of Access, and wishes to use something else that has more power.

    I believe that if you know how to build an application on Access, you definetly can learn how to build an application in Oracle, PHP/MySQL, and on DB2. A programmer is a programmer, and can get to work, regardless of the platform.

    Above said, summery in 3 points

    1- No more money coming in for major Hardeware changes.
    2- Old software and small scale applications consume your companies resources.
    3- Change is possible in your company, but in small steps.

    Bottom line; Software change is what is needed, and the only possible one.

    My suggestion is a 4 steps prorgam;

    Phase A

  207. It's about vision and information... by oddtoad · · Score: 1

    I know I'm adding this sort of late to the discussion, but I've been through similar situations twice. The key is to develop a vision for how you think the company should use computers and to communicate that vision to your boss and, ultimately, to the executive staff.
    You need to keep in mind that the purpose of computers is to provide people with information and the quality of the information determines how they will value computers.
    Things to watch for are preventing islands of data and guarding valuable assests. Don't talk technical to the executive staff, stay focused on the "why" and not the "how", finally, communicate, communicate, communicate.

  208. ROI by youngcm2 · · Score: 1

    If it were me I would present the ROI for your proposal. You need to show them why your solution/proposal makes the most business sense. If they don't like that, then I would start looking because you are not in a long term situation.

  209. RUN! Run my friend. by phrackwulf · · Score: 1

    1. Your company is in manufacturing. 2. Your company is in manufacturing. These people will never understand what you have to offer or how it can improve their business. Ever. Barring a "road to Damascus" experience in the boardroom (possible but highly improbable) you are setting yourself up for a career ending debacle if not years of poor health due to unreasonable stress level and a heart-attack. What you do might as well be in Sanskrit to management. RUN! Run your balls off. You owe it to yourself.

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    What would Richard Feynman do, if he were here right now? He'd do some math and he'd follow through!