Ease up a bit. I'm starting to think I'm crazy, as no one else seems to have grasped that they aren't saying that Terrorists, Murderers and Drug Dealers are all also pirates...
What they're saying is that law enforcement can use piracy to access suspected terrorists, murderers and drug dealers property by means of warrants that they wouldn't otherwise be able to obtain.
They're suggesting that Bob, a drug dealer, by chance also pirates Britney Spears MP3's. So the cops use that as reason for a warrant. While searching Bobs apartment for Britney Spears related material, they also//just happen to stumble on// Bobs coke stash. They don't care about the piracy angle so much as the fact that it can be used as a tool for other means.
Hate to ruin the fun here... seriously I love all of you... but no where in the video were they suggesting that piracy and terrorism, murder or drugs are related.
All that was suggested was that if officers wanted into a suspects home, but did not have enough evidence to issue a warrant on the suspected charges alone, they could use piracy as a means to get that warrant. The intent, which should be obvious by now, is to get into the house so that evidence of terrorism, drug trafficking or violent intent involving firearms might then be 'coincidentally' discovered.
And hey... sounds like it's a great strategy. How many people do you know that haven't pirated anything at all? The police just found themselves a skeleton key.
So, we've been flying planes for around 60 years and finally we've turned to the fucking BIRDS for design tips...
PS: NO, I haven't read TFA, or even TFSummary for that matter. I'm just pointing out that this might be a case where the headline could have stood to be a little more descriptive... or accurate or something.
This seems to be nothing more than Eisner playing to the cameras. No deal has been made until the writers actually agree to it (Sunday seems to be when everyone expects it to go down.)
Eisner's just suggesting (somewhat aggressively) that the deal being offered to the writers is so good they won't turn it down.
If you're telling me that apple 'fanboys' are oblivious to their own problems, there must also be a term for what you are doing right now.
If you paid attention to any discussion about Leopard over the last few months, you'd see that there are a lot of Apple users (fans, even) that are unhappy with their Leopard experience. Well, so far anyways.
I don't think anyone who likes Apple would fight you on the argument that DRM is bad. Furthermore, that DRM is the cause of breaking legitimate programs is a pretty serious problem that only the most ignorant of Apple fanboys can dismiss.
And I don't think you'd argue me on the point that both sides of the table have ignorant schmucks on it.
If the consumer was the winner, they'd have chosen the format based on their qualities, rather than being forced into a choice by corporations.
If the consumer was the winner, they'd have a format that's less constricted by DRM.
If the consumer was the winner, they'd pay less for goods.
If the consumer was the winner, they'd expect full compatibility right out the door. I can update a PS3 to BR 1.1, and even then 2.0, but how many consumers do you think will without having to take their player into the Sony store?
Furthermore, if HDDVD were to drop from the face of the earth today, do you think Sony would be as likely to update their software, or might they instead take the stance that 'since they're still selling players, the product must be good enough'??
The consumer could have chosen the format to succeed DVD. And that choice could have been BluRay (tho you can see that I don't approve.) But they didn't get to choose based on qualities.
"Blu-ray already has a pretty onerous system, so let's see what happens once HD-DVD is out of the way."
Let me tell you what will happen: Less. Sony won't be as motivated to upgrade the players if its not going to guarantee them more income. Furthermore, they'll be less inclined to lower the cost of their (relatively) expensive players.
"doesn't want it to end up like all of Sony's other consumer device formats."
HD DVD isn't a Sony format, so don't compare it to the rest of Sony's range. If they cared about Sony's format lineup, they'd have invested in BluRay.
"HD-DVD is the format that its cash cow video game console system supports'
The 360 is not inherently tied to HD DVD. The addon merely adds the capability to play HD DVD. The reason WHY it's able to play HD DVD and not Blu Ray is what is in question here, but I think it's clear it has nothing to do with games, or the XBox 360 or any of its format requirements.
"For players its' 5:1 including the PS3 and 360 HD DVD attachment."
A little perspective is needed for this statement. 5 million PS3's have been sold, and a little over 210,000 HDDVD addons have been sold. We can accept the fact that not all PS3's are purchased with movies in mind (in fact, only 40% of PS3 owners know about BluRay movie playback on PS3), while 100% of HDDVD addon purchases are done with the full intent of playing HDDVD movies.
These facts don't tip the scales, but I think they need to be considered.
"If you consider that taxation is an encroachment on your (monetary) freedom"
Which you shouldn't. Taxes are not encroachments on your monetary freedom any more than the local park is built just for your families enjoyment.
The GP had a good point... where money goes is the issue. Taxes can act as funding for public projects, or as subsidies to encourage various business methods. Both, theoretically, should be good for the public, but when you're introducing a new tax, you should be pretty clear about the intentions behind it. Will it benefit the public in a manner related to the internet? Will any of the money go to ISP's (maybe to stave off attacks against net neutrality)?
It's not as cut and dry as "you'll take more money from my cold, dead hands."
And for another point, how, exactly, do US businesses intend on charging citizens from every country for their own national tax?
Be fair. Microsoft doesn't have AT&T and various record labels breathing down their neck to make sure a slice of the iPhone pie goes to them to deal with.
Usually, I'd go and blame the share holders, or at least the stock market system for encouraging participants to overlook moral issues in favour of profit, and really I guess I could blame AT&T's, and the record labels owners/shareholders, but I can't really see how Apple (or its owners/shareholders) are to blame for this. Maybe they could have stood up to AT&T? I guess they could have.
Of course, my perception of the world might be vastly skewed.
"I don't get the application for a 30GB burner. Not any time soon anyway."
Really? My iTunes folder is now over 16Gb large. I'd rather have that all backed up to one nice location than broken apart.
And don't get me started on my video folder... mind you, I'm a video editor, but that's just another argument for increasing backup format size. I'd love to put an entire project on one disc...
"Could this be the last nail in the HD DVD coffin?"
Could we please put a nail in the coffin of that expression?? We've been talking about the nails in coffins for both formats for about a year now. We have, at LEAST, until the end of THIS year to see whether either side will falter enough to warrant investment in the nail and coffin markets.
So, let's not investigate ways to counter global warming. I mean, I can understand your reluctance to blame humanity for it, but are you outright rejecting the need for change??
Toronto has had a system like this in place for years, on its only toll road, Highway 407. If you don't have an 'EZ Pass' transponder in your car, then a camera snaps your license plate.
How else would they bill you?
Well, I guess they could open toll booths and slow traffic to a creep, but I think this is a good progression. Besides, they aren't tracking You, they're just tracking customers. Which is you. Yes. You.
But it's not CEO's that 'commit' anything. Sadly, while sharks they are, they are hired because of what they do well. It's up to the company owners/founders to be responsible about their actions regarding environmental waste concerns. And if we talk about publically traded companies... well, thats you and me, and whomever owns stock in these companies. After all, if you owned stock in Microsoft, would you vote for them to stop monopolistic practices? What would happen to the value of your stocks?
It's not companies we should blame, it's the stock market society that we've built. It's you and me.
So, of the batch, it seems Canadian Mac users aren't going to have many options...
- Rhapsody is US-only - Bestbuy, Walmart are Internet Explorer only (Okay, I -COULD- download IE5, but really??)
That leaves us with Amazon.com, which doesn't even have a downloadable music store yet.
Mac user base is rising, guys... Don't make us Canadians pirate even more media!!
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Considering the recent "crackdown" on Canadian video cameras in theatres, it seems fairly clear that they're not concerned so much with casual copying as they are with internet distribution of films, and those who distribute movies (read: seed torrents) online are hardly casual copiers.
And as with the video camera issue, this is no more effective at preventing copyright infringement as it is ensuring a pleasant experience at the theatre.
"There are some things generally considered amoral by the population. Murder. Rape. Hunting a species to extinction""
Are we not confusing IMmoral with Amoral? One being opposite to those values we consider moral, and the other being unconcerned with morality altogether?
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Ease up a bit. I'm starting to think I'm crazy, as no one else seems to have grasped that they aren't saying that Terrorists, Murderers and Drug Dealers are all also pirates...
//just happen to stumble on// Bobs coke stash. They don't care about the piracy angle so much as the fact that it can be used as a tool for other means.
What they're saying is that law enforcement can use piracy to access suspected terrorists, murderers and drug dealers property by means of warrants that they wouldn't otherwise be able to obtain.
They're suggesting that Bob, a drug dealer, by chance also pirates Britney Spears MP3's. So the cops use that as reason for a warrant. While searching Bobs apartment for Britney Spears related material, they also
Hate to ruin the fun here... seriously I love all of you... but no where in the video were they suggesting that piracy and terrorism, murder or drugs are related.
All that was suggested was that if officers wanted into a suspects home, but did not have enough evidence to issue a warrant on the suspected charges alone, they could use piracy as a means to get that warrant. The intent, which should be obvious by now, is to get into the house so that evidence of terrorism, drug trafficking or violent intent involving firearms might then be 'coincidentally' discovered.
And hey... sounds like it's a great strategy. How many people do you know that haven't pirated anything at all? The police just found themselves a skeleton key.
"Birds Give a Lesson to Plane Designers"
So, we've been flying planes for around 60 years and finally we've turned to the fucking BIRDS for design tips...
PS: NO, I haven't read TFA, or even TFSummary for that matter. I'm just pointing out that this might be a case where the headline could have stood to be a little more descriptive... or accurate or something.
This seems to be nothing more than Eisner playing to the cameras. No deal has been made until the writers actually agree to it (Sunday seems to be when everyone expects it to go down.)
Eisner's just suggesting (somewhat aggressively) that the deal being offered to the writers is so good they won't turn it down.
FUD??
If you're telling me that apple 'fanboys' are oblivious to their own problems, there must also be a term for what you are doing right now.
If you paid attention to any discussion about Leopard over the last few months, you'd see that there are a lot of Apple users (fans, even) that are unhappy with their Leopard experience. Well, so far anyways.
I don't think anyone who likes Apple would fight you on the argument that DRM is bad. Furthermore, that DRM is the cause of breaking legitimate programs is a pretty serious problem that only the most ignorant of Apple fanboys can dismiss.
And I don't think you'd argue me on the point that both sides of the table have ignorant schmucks on it.
If the consumer was the winner, they'd have chosen the format based on their qualities, rather than being forced into a choice by corporations.
If the consumer was the winner, they'd have a format that's less constricted by DRM.
If the consumer was the winner, they'd pay less for goods.
If the consumer was the winner, they'd expect full compatibility right out the door. I can update a PS3 to BR 1.1, and even then 2.0, but how many consumers do you think will without having to take their player into the Sony store?
Furthermore, if HDDVD were to drop from the face of the earth today, do you think Sony would be as likely to update their software, or might they instead take the stance that 'since they're still selling players, the product must be good enough'??
The consumer could have chosen the format to succeed DVD. And that choice could have been BluRay (tho you can see that I don't approve.) But they didn't get to choose based on qualities.
"Blu-ray already has a pretty onerous system, so let's see what happens once HD-DVD is out of the way."
Let me tell you what will happen: Less. Sony won't be as motivated to upgrade the players if its not going to guarantee them more income. Furthermore, they'll be less inclined to lower the cost of their (relatively) expensive players.
"doesn't want it to end up like all of Sony's other consumer device formats."
HD DVD isn't a Sony format, so don't compare it to the rest of Sony's range. If they cared about Sony's format lineup, they'd have invested in BluRay.
"HD-DVD is the format that its cash cow video game console system supports'
The 360 is not inherently tied to HD DVD. The addon merely adds the capability to play HD DVD. The reason WHY it's able to play HD DVD and not Blu Ray is what is in question here, but I think it's clear it has nothing to do with games, or the XBox 360 or any of its format requirements.
What about when its anti-FUD FUD? Does it make you feel dirty, but accomplished?
"Allahu-Akbar-Yarr!"
Whoaaa!! Watch it with the stereotypes, pal!! You should be more careful than that!! Pirates haven't said "Yarr!" in centuries!
"For players its' 5:1 including the PS3 and 360 HD DVD attachment."
A little perspective is needed for this statement. 5 million PS3's have been sold, and a little over 210,000 HDDVD addons have been sold. We can accept the fact that not all PS3's are purchased with movies in mind (in fact, only 40% of PS3 owners know about BluRay movie playback on PS3), while 100% of HDDVD addon purchases are done with the full intent of playing HDDVD movies.
These facts don't tip the scales, but I think they need to be considered.
"If you consider that taxation is an encroachment on your (monetary) freedom"
Which you shouldn't. Taxes are not encroachments on your monetary freedom any more than the local park is built just for your families enjoyment.
The GP had a good point... where money goes is the issue. Taxes can act as funding for public projects, or as subsidies to encourage various business methods. Both, theoretically, should be good for the public, but when you're introducing a new tax, you should be pretty clear about the intentions behind it. Will it benefit the public in a manner related to the internet? Will any of the money go to ISP's (maybe to stave off attacks against net neutrality)?
It's not as cut and dry as "you'll take more money from my cold, dead hands."
And for another point, how, exactly, do US businesses intend on charging citizens from every country for their own national tax?
Be fair. Microsoft doesn't have AT&T and various record labels breathing down their neck to make sure a slice of the iPhone pie goes to them to deal with.
Usually, I'd go and blame the share holders, or at least the stock market system for encouraging participants to overlook moral issues in favour of profit, and really I guess I could blame AT&T's, and the record labels owners/shareholders, but I can't really see how Apple (or its owners/shareholders) are to blame for this. Maybe they could have stood up to AT&T? I guess they could have.
Of course, my perception of the world might be vastly skewed.
"I don't get the application for a 30GB burner. Not any time soon anyway."
Really? My iTunes folder is now over 16Gb large. I'd rather have that all backed up to one nice location than broken apart.
And don't get me started on my video folder... mind you, I'm a video editor, but that's just another argument for increasing backup format size. I'd love to put an entire project on one disc...
"Could this be the last nail in the HD DVD coffin?"
Could we please put a nail in the coffin of that expression?? We've been talking about the nails in coffins for both formats for about a year now. We have, at LEAST, until the end of THIS year to see whether either side will falter enough to warrant investment in the nail and coffin markets.
Only Battlestar Galactica, with it's thirteen colonies knows the answer...
"It is NOT Sony's.
Not exclusively, anyway. There's loads of people making Blu-Ray players."
Then why aren't the prices cheaper?
So, let's not investigate ways to counter global warming. I mean, I can understand your reluctance to blame humanity for it, but are you outright rejecting the need for change??
And thats assuming that all Nokia owners respond to the recall.
Toronto has had a system like this in place for years, on its only toll road, Highway 407. If you don't have an 'EZ Pass' transponder in your car, then a camera snaps your license plate.
How else would they bill you?
Well, I guess they could open toll booths and slow traffic to a creep, but I think this is a good progression. Besides, they aren't tracking You, they're just tracking customers. Which is you. Yes. You.
But it's not CEO's that 'commit' anything. Sadly, while sharks they are, they are hired because of what they do well. It's up to the company owners/founders to be responsible about their actions regarding environmental waste concerns. And if we talk about publically traded companies... well, thats you and me, and whomever owns stock in these companies. After all, if you owned stock in Microsoft, would you vote for them to stop monopolistic practices? What would happen to the value of your stocks?
It's not companies we should blame, it's the stock market society that we've built. It's you and me.
So, of the batch, it seems Canadian Mac users aren't going to have many options...
- Rhapsody is US-only
- Bestbuy, Walmart are Internet Explorer only (Okay, I -COULD- download IE5, but really??)
That leaves us with Amazon.com, which doesn't even have a downloadable music store yet.
Mac user base is rising, guys... Don't make us Canadians pirate even more media!!
Considering the recent "crackdown" on Canadian video cameras in theatres, it seems fairly clear that they're not concerned so much with casual copying as they are with internet distribution of films, and those who distribute movies (read: seed torrents) online are hardly casual copiers.
And as with the video camera issue, this is no more effective at preventing copyright infringement as it is ensuring a pleasant experience at the theatre.
"There are some things generally considered amoral by the population. Murder. Rape. Hunting a species to extinction""
Are we not confusing IMmoral with Amoral? One being opposite to those values we consider moral, and the other being unconcerned with morality altogether?