Yes, but political parties are not, MS would have to 'assist' quite a few in many different countries to have the effect they had on US. And as it is, even though MS got out cheap from federal court, it didn't get out clear. It is hard for a european political to accept 'help' from a convicted monopoly. I agree that the final ruling will not be too hard on microsoft, but for entirely different reasons.
really think so? Its' impact on the economy is enormous, its' value though... The presence of monopolies is devastating for the free economy. I remember reading an article back in '98 stating that microsoft would actually like a fall of the dot.com business, as it is big enough to handle it, while all those rising little companies would be eliminated. The field is clear on the web business, 4 years later.
Blaming the admins is easy, i usually follow this logic, but if you think about it...
If I (i don't ) had to administer a windows server, i would like to be able to get rid of usuless components. I understand that is not the case with windows. Actually you are more than encouraged to install IIS on a win2k server, and there is no way to get rid of I.E.
Same goes for activeX, outlook, the need to work as administrator to get any work done.
Seems to me there are mistakes, and there are faults.
As i get it, the question is, why did it take so long, while evolution is under constant development. And that maybe they should concentrate on what they do best and leave the ximian desktop.
Yes, it's rather obvious, you don't care about "getting a chick" when you have one. It's the same as all those people talking about making money when they don't actually have any. I wonder what the psychiatric word for this is. I believe it has something to do with advertising.. You know, you need this car to get laid, you need this toilet paper to have a happy family, you need this beer to have a good time..
Honestly i don't understand this "if you have nothing to hide why do you care" stuff.
I have nothing to hide, yet i wouldn't want to live in a glass house in the middle of Times square !!
It's not about you doing something wrong, it's about you being a subject of study. Your music preferences, your shopping preferences, your social network, everything.
No Windowmaker !!. No greek fonts (still!!). No mp3 support.
Nevermind the last, the first two should be there..
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I imagine you are talking for a server machine not a desktop cause i can't see any reason to stick with 6.2 for the desktop. I did have some problems up to RH7.2 but 7.3 works fine for me now. What problems did you have with it? RedHat 6.2 was a fine release, we still use it here on a couple of old servers, but i still want to go for 7.3 as it is a pain to manually upgrade packages. Generally i see your point though...
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Ah, well, chandler comes with many more fortune cookies, allthough i liked the joey with all those sexy wallpapers..
But i agree monica is the best for servers, It seems everything is in order on that one.
The point is not well taken. The schools teach ON windows or linux. It's a platform. Maybe windows is still the standard in the desktop market, but this could change. The use of computers won't change though... Should drive-lessons use the most popular car as well?
well, they could have named their product. let's say ADTQ... it would sound so nice, i know.. they chose windows then, and they are paying the price now.. I mean come on, if were to register the term X-button, would everyone change all the documents to "button with the X on it" ?
>In my experience windows seems to be more hands >off than *nix, or Solaris in particular. Maybe >I'm comparing Apple's and Oranges though given my >experience.
Then take it from me.. a windows terminal server is just IMPOSSIBLE to manage:( Is unix a tasty piece of cake ? no. but it's designed for multiusers environment. It does the job. For windows it's a feature that is not working. period.
Oh, and windows do have a hard limit of about 5000 users.. meaning that if you are big enough, you can't replace 50 (licensed!) win servers with 3 win servers!
In two years from now? well,imagine that in 2000, (when win2k came out), we had RH6.2 (no openoffice, no mozilla, no mplayer, kde1, gnome1,2.2 kernel, ext2 etc..) It's shocking, i know...
Linux development is exponential i am afraid. there is no hope for microsoft to compete there...
Oh, wait there is one hope. IF they give the source now that the user base of windows is actually bigger (though propably not of the same level), maybe, MAYBE they can compete.
Most of the times it is not really bashing windows. You would begin to understand if you could only, let's say, read your documents in pure-dos-6.22 mode. It's even worse for us linux guys. My home computer has an uptime of 23 days right now, i NEVER close my mozilla window, i NEVER close my consoles, i never stop XMMS (mp3 player). I have 4 desktops full of windows. I get up, work, go for a walk, work, go to work sometimes, back, work... If i suddenly have to reboot to read a crappy word file that openoffice can't import correctly... my reaction is naturally "unfortunatelly" ! I'm used to to have a desktop that is just there. ALL the time. It's not much to redo everything but it's not something i want to do. To sum up, for me it would be "unfortunate" if i had to boot a different linux distro as well. And i did say MOST of the times. Sometimes, it's just bashing microsoft of course:)
Well you are wrong. Why would someone want to do that? There is no money involved -- nobody will earn money if he does that, so what is the point? If you know and love windows, just stick with it. Open source, and this is obvious enough, doesn't have the billions, but certainly has more resources and skill. MUCH MORE. And if time is money, then there is a huge investment in human hours for opensource projects.
And what did you mean by "a new kernel binary compatible with NT kernel" ?? Why on earth ?!?!?
> How is this possible. Surely you can't poll 50% of the web every day.
sure you can. If you monitor 0.01% of internet, that is:>
-- anyway it's good that someone is finally doing something since my whole life was just TOO dependent on google up to now. have you ever thought what would happen if google stopped working?
>Umm does this mean Alta Vista is going to start ignoring ROBOTS.TXT permissions?
Well, invisible web is mostly about databases, i still can't figure a way to crawl there. And why only U.S.? (the answer is trivial of course but i don't want to say it:> --said too much already, i just hope few people see this. )
I understand you need to agree to install the software, but is there an option (a button) to DISagree as well ? Or maybe you can sit back and NOT agree for ever? That was my feeling with the XP SP1:> And what can stop them from removing the disagree button in the future? You will still need to 'agree' to install the updates. yes, i know i shouldn't give them ideas:>
Actually since internet is based on a client-server model, all the relevant experiments should be carried out in amsterdams' red light district, where the power of a "good pick-up line" would range from, let's say $50 "pounds" to, let's say again, $1000...
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Yes, but political parties are not, MS would have to 'assist' quite a few in many different countries to have the effect they had on US.
And as it is, even though MS got out cheap from federal court, it didn't get out clear. It is hard for a european political to accept 'help' from a convicted monopoly.
I agree that the final ruling will not be too hard on microsoft, but for entirely different reasons.
>It's value to our economy is enormous.
really think so? Its' impact on the economy is enormous, its' value though...
The presence of monopolies is devastating for the free economy. I remember reading an article back in '98 stating that microsoft would actually like a fall of the dot.com business, as it is big enough to handle it, while all those rising little companies would be eliminated. The field is clear on the web business, 4 years later.
Blaming the admins is easy, i usually follow this logic, but if you think about it...
If I (i don't ) had to administer a windows server, i would like to be able to get rid of usuless components. I understand that is not the case with windows. Actually you are more than encouraged to install IIS on a win2k server, and there is no way to get rid of I.E.
Same goes for activeX, outlook, the need to work as administrator to get any work done.
Seems to me there are mistakes, and there are faults.
As i get it, the question is, why did it take so long, while evolution is under constant development. And that maybe they should concentrate on what they do best and leave the ximian desktop.
Thank you, that's the word :)
Yes, it's rather obvious, you don't care about "getting a chick" when you have one. It's the same as all those people talking about making money when they don't actually have any.
I wonder what the psychiatric word for this is.
I believe it has something to do with advertising.. You know, you need this car to get laid, you need this toilet paper to have a happy family, you need this beer to have a good time..
Honestly i don't understand this "if you have nothing to hide why do you care" stuff.
I have nothing to hide, yet i wouldn't want to live in a glass house in the middle of Times square !!
It's not about you doing something wrong, it's about you being a subject of study. Your music preferences, your shopping preferences, your social network, everything.
yeah, well, i can easily install the fonts as well.
but what's the point in buying a distro then?
Apart from that, and this seems very strange to me, the most widely used distro is not the *bigger* one.
Sendmail was like this from 7.2 if i recall..
No Windowmaker !!.
No greek fonts (still!!).
No mp3 support.
Nevermind the last, the first two should be there..
I imagine you are talking for a server machine not a desktop cause i can't see any reason to stick with 6.2 for the desktop.
I did have some problems up to RH7.2 but 7.3 works fine for me now. What problems did you have with it? RedHat 6.2 was a fine release, we still use it here on a couple of old servers, but i still want to go for 7.3 as it is a pain to manually upgrade packages. Generally i see your point though...
Ah, well, chandler comes with many more fortune cookies, allthough i liked the joey with all those sexy wallpapers..
But i agree monica is the best for servers, It seems everything is in order on that one.
The point is not well taken. The schools teach ON windows or linux. It's a platform. Maybe windows is still the standard in the desktop market, but this could change. The use of computers won't change though...
Should drive-lessons use the most popular car as well?
well, if that game came out let's say 20-25 years ago, and people bought stuff like this when they were 10 years old... then now they are at 30-35.
I think most of them are not nostalgic just yet. I believe the price will continue to grow for at least ten more years:)
well, they could have named their product. let's say ADTQ... it would sound so nice, i know.. they chose windows then, and they are paying the price now.. I mean come on, if were to register the term X-button, would everyone change all the documents to "button with the X on it" ?
well, that is true, only how many people u know that, after learning perl,C++ decide to explore visual basic?
I know a lot who KNOW visual basic, and have turned to perl,php though.
>In my experience windows seems to be more hands
:( Is unix a tasty piece of cake ? no. but it's designed for multiusers environment. It does the job. For windows it's a feature that is not working. period.
>off than *nix, or Solaris in particular. Maybe
>I'm comparing Apple's and Oranges though given my
>experience.
Then take it from me.. a windows terminal server is just IMPOSSIBLE to manage
Oh, and windows do have a hard limit of about 5000 users.. meaning that if you are big enough, you can't replace 50 (licensed!) win servers with 3 win servers!
oh, this was right to the point, if i just could moderate you.
:)) Never in the history of computers did the open/free architecture lose and it sure as hell, won't lose now :))
You are absolutely right of course
In two years from now? well,imagine that in 2000, (when win2k came out), we had RH6.2 (no openoffice, no mozilla, no mplayer, kde1, gnome1,2.2 kernel, ext2 etc..) It's shocking, i know...
Linux development is exponential i am afraid. there is no hope for microsoft to compete there...
Oh, wait there is one hope. IF they give the source now that the user base of windows is actually bigger (though propably not of the same level), maybe, MAYBE they can compete.
Most of the times it is not really bashing windows. You would begin to understand if you could only, let's say, read your documents in pure-dos-6.22 mode. :)
It's even worse for us linux guys. My home computer has an uptime of 23 days right now, i NEVER close my mozilla window, i NEVER close my consoles, i never stop XMMS (mp3 player). I have 4 desktops full of windows. I get up, work, go for a walk, work, go to work sometimes, back, work...
If i suddenly have to reboot to read a crappy word file that openoffice can't import correctly... my reaction is naturally "unfortunatelly" !
I'm used to to have a desktop that is just there. ALL the time. It's not much to redo everything but it's not something i want to do.
To sum up, for me it would be "unfortunate" if i had to boot a different linux distro as well.
And i did say MOST of the times. Sometimes, it's just bashing microsoft of course
>I think its funny that Microsoft didn't say that
:>
>their stuff is better. They can only argue that
>their stuff isn't worse.
for now
Well you are wrong. Why would someone want to do that? There is no money involved -- nobody will earn money if he does that, so what is the point?
If you know and love windows, just stick with it.
Open source, and this is obvious enough, doesn't have the billions, but certainly has more resources and skill. MUCH MORE. And if time is money, then there is a huge investment in human hours for opensource projects.
And what did you mean by "a new kernel binary compatible with NT kernel" ?? Why on earth ?!?!?
> How is this possible. Surely you can't poll 50% of the web every day.
:>
:> --said too much already, i just hope few people see this. )
sure you can.
If you monitor 0.01% of internet, that is
-- anyway it's good that someone is finally doing something since my whole life was just TOO dependent on google up to now. have you ever thought what would happen if google stopped working?
>Umm does this mean Alta Vista is going to start ignoring ROBOTS.TXT permissions?
Well, invisible web is mostly about databases, i still can't figure a way to crawl there. And why only U.S.?
(the answer is trivial of course but i don't want to say it
I understand you need to agree to install the software, but is there an option (a button) to DISagree as well ? :> :>
Or maybe you can sit back and NOT agree for ever?
That was my feeling with the XP SP1
And what can stop them from removing the disagree button in the future? You will still need to 'agree' to install the updates.
yes, i know i shouldn't give them ideas
Actually since internet is based on a client-server model, all the relevant experiments should be carried out in amsterdams' red light district, where the power of a "good pick-up line" would range from, let's say $50 "pounds" to, let's say again, $1000 ...