But how many Internet users trust an American corporation? At least with politics, and debate, we have the opportunity to get involved.
It's a whole lot easier for a someone who is not a US citizen to control a US public corporation than than the US government--buy stock and you get votes, as many as you want.
They do not unexpectedly go bankrupt (usually), [...] or sell your private information to the highest bidder.
I take it you don't live in California.
What if your water supply was dependent upon the whims of Verisign? (No, I don't want to hold, I've had no water for two weeks...hello?)
Verisign? You mean the company that had the government-mandated monopoly?
And government-supplied water service is just wonderful... Cheap, clean, and unavailable (rationed), at least when the state you live in can get a better deal by selling it to other states and is forbidden by command-economy apparatchiks from raising prices.
You can put the factory that produces the paint somewhere in the middle of nowhere, car pollution tends to concentrate right where lots of people live and work.
I don't remember any anti-religious rage, but Pat Robertson (and most of his ilk) don't like Disney at all, calling for boycotts of their products and what-not.
Most legitimate mailing lists have some sort of opt-in process to prevent abuse anyway, that would need to be extended to bypass hashcash as well. Just whitelisting (to not check for hashcash on) any address the recipient has sent mail to would work, if the mail-list was set up with the From: address the same as the one sign-up verification is sent to. If not, the user would bypass it by hand. It would never be necessary for a high-volume mail list to compute hash-cash for each message sent out.
Spammers already use trojans and vulnerable machines to send mail -- and there's a limited number of them out there. Hashcash would lower the rate they could send messages out, as well as making the spam process more noticable to the user of the computer, if any.
A worst-case scenario of spamming being still practical but totally dependent on a supply of zombie machines would still be a big improvement, anti-spam measures could then focus on the easier problem of dealing with the zombies.
There's no particular reason the amount of computation required couldn't be configured by the user... When a non-trivial amount of spam gets through, turn up the requirement.
The computation should be done by the machine the mail originates on, not the smtp server, and (legitimate) high-volume mailing lists would need to have a system to bypass the hash-cash filter anyway.
Having the sending system spend cycles solving a problem (hash-cash and similar, presumably what Bill Gates is talking about in the article) does just fine will all of those.
POPFile, the spam-filter software I use, has support for that built-in, you can specify manual mail-filter rules that will be applied instead of the bayes filter for matching messages.
I don't use it, though, as the regular filter seems to be doing an acceptable job without manual intervention.
I had good luck using automated hill climbing to (space) optimize the use of 'inline' for not-too-smart C compiler for an embedded system. In that environment, optimization is very useful, having to put another flash rom on every unit to fit your code is pricey.
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I'd look into the FCC regs/laws before doing that, it may very well be illegal to intentionally interfere with a licenced broadcast, even passively.
But how many Internet users trust an American corporation? At least with politics, and debate, we have the opportunity to get involved.
It's a whole lot easier for a someone who is not a US citizen to control a US public corporation than than the US government--buy stock and you get votes, as many as you want.
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Not necessarily, of course, but the provision is there.
Where?
They do not unexpectedly go bankrupt (usually), [...] or sell your private information to the highest bidder.
I take it you don't live in California.
What if your water supply was dependent upon the whims of Verisign? (No, I don't want to hold, I've had no water for two weeks...hello?)
Verisign? You mean the company that had the government-mandated monopoly?
And government-supplied water service is just wonderful... Cheap, clean, and unavailable (rationed), at least when the state you live in can get a better deal by selling it to other states and is forbidden by command-economy apparatchiks from raising prices.
No watering your lawn until Tuesday, comrade!
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Benjamin Coates
I think he's talking about those payphone things people had to use before the cell-phone was invented.
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Benjamin Coates
corruptino
Man, they discover new particles every day. Does it cause cancer?
You can put the factory that produces the paint somewhere in the middle of nowhere, car pollution tends to concentrate right where lots of people live and work.
I believe the little head in wolfenstein and doom that showed your general health also looked toward the direction damage came from.
You are not your fucking kakhis.
So, I'm supposed to go around without any pants?
I don't remember any anti-religious rage, but Pat Robertson (and most of his ilk) don't like Disney at all, calling for boycotts of their products and what-not.
Most legitimate mailing lists have some sort of opt-in process to prevent abuse anyway, that would need to be extended to bypass hashcash as well. Just whitelisting (to not check for hashcash on) any address the recipient has sent mail to would work, if the mail-list was set up with the From: address the same as the one sign-up verification is sent to. If not, the user would bypass it by hand. It would never be necessary for a high-volume mail list to compute hash-cash for each message sent out.
Spammers already use trojans and vulnerable machines to send mail -- and there's a limited number of them out there. Hashcash would lower the rate they could send messages out, as well as making the spam process more noticable to the user of the computer, if any.
A worst-case scenario of spamming being still practical but totally dependent on a supply of zombie machines would still be a big improvement, anti-spam measures could then focus on the easier problem of dealing with the zombies.
There's no particular reason the amount of computation required couldn't be configured by the user... When a non-trivial amount of spam gets through, turn up the requirement.
The computation should be done by the machine the mail originates on, not the smtp server, and (legitimate) high-volume mailing lists would need to have a system to bypass the hash-cash filter anyway.
Having the sending system spend cycles solving a problem (hash-cash and similar, presumably what Bill Gates is talking about in the article) does just fine will all of those.
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Benjamin Coates
POPFile, the spam-filter software I use, has support for that built-in, you can specify manual mail-filter rules that will be applied instead of the bayes filter for matching messages.
I don't use it, though, as the regular filter seems to be doing an acceptable job without manual intervention.
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Benjamin Coates
you caught the five-circle pattern (the yellow dots at the upper left of the image) that's been discussed elsewhere in the comments.
I don't know why the black text helps, though.
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Benjamin Coates
Considering what they do for a living, I think I'd rather get a check.
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Benjamin Coates
5: More popups! You Lose!
Don't worry, it's just as easy for me to automatically block two popups as one.
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Benjamin Coates
Windows, ?, Pontiac Firebird (a 6 cylinder, though)
There's not check box for, "No, I don't want to install that stuff, ever".
There is in IE, and has always been as far as I know.
Do you see a German cellphone provider? Hmmm?
Like Siemens Mobile?
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Benjamin Coates
Part of that deal involved suppling him with the chemical weapons
I never heard about that. Link?
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Benjamin Coates
msft split 2:1 in february, so $60 in late 1999 is worth about $50 now.
This is just a plan to implement RFC 3514.
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Benjamin Coates
I had good luck using automated hill climbing to (space) optimize the use of 'inline' for not-too-smart C compiler for an embedded system. In that environment, optimization is very useful, having to put another flash rom on every unit to fit your code is pricey.
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Benjamin Coates
First-past-the-post isn't required by the Constitution. It's a matter of state law.