But something even better than gestures are the pie menus (found on the same page above, but also at: http://www.gamemakers.de/mozilla/radialcontext/) they are like gestures with a gui (indeed after you use them for a while you never look at the pie-menu any more, except to find obscure actions).
My favorite: RightClickandHold->UpRight->Down->Release (Closes the current tab)
What is up with the top loading NES??? I bought one of these a while back (about 4 or 5 years ago I think). Wasn't a big deal, was real cheap (like 40 bucks or so).
Are people trying to get ahold of them??? Are they rare?
Sometimes I just dont get why old stuff is popular.
Derek
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>javascript popup control broken
Really? it works for me....
Settings->Configure Konquerer->Java & JavaScript->Java Script->JavaScript Web Popups Policy->Smart or Deny
>right click then click close
Try right clicking on your toolbar and clicking "Configure Toolbars" - add yourself a "Close Tab" and "Open Tab" button - then it is just like moz.
Derek
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Also - you can right click on konq's toolbar and click "Configure Toolbars..." and add a "New Tab" and "Close Tab" button so that you get basically the same functionality as in moz.
That said. I don't like the way the tabs close in konq (they have some weird algorithm as to whether to go to the tab to the left or to the righ - I think it depends on how many tabs there are to the left or to the right of the tab you closed - but it is hard to tell). I want to just act like moz and go to the right all the time (makes more sense - newer stuff is to the right).
A better movie that shows what is possible with finger print fraud (and Biometric fraud in general) is Gattaca. In this movie - your biometrics ARE you, in that if something is physically (mainly genetically) wrong with you you are descriminated against.
They use various forms of Biometrics testing to figure out if you are you - so in order to become someone else you have to fake a lot of stuff (hair,blood,urine,skin,fingerprint).
Kinda scary - but this is not out of the realm of possibilities for the future.
If you want realistic gibs go check out the Demo of Blood Rayne for PC (it just came out today).
THE BEST GIBS I HAVE EVER SEEN. Indeed it is the goriest game I have ever played - and one of the most satisfying "run & gun" games I have played in a long time.
Hilarious - I think I stayed in this exact hotel last summer.
I was moving into a new apartment and had to stay one night - the catch was my apartment complex was going to email me my password to get into my apartment.
So, I brought my laptop with me into the hotel thinking that I could just dial up and use my university's web mail to get the password quickly....
That was a pipe dream. My connection out of that hotel was horrible - it kept dropping it (I was connecting to MSN at the time because I didn't have my own dial-up so I just used my parents), and it is was another $.75 everytime I had to readial!
This is all not too mention that the hotel provided me with a list of area codes on it that were "local" - but then the ONE number I end up choosing to dial up to (with an area code on the list) happened to not be local - they tried to charge me through the nose and I told them what for...
The whole thing was just disgusting, never again will I stay at a Marriot Residence Inn.
Sorry you take it for whoring... It's just that this operating system has completely blown me away. Never before have I been so happy to be using a certain OS.
I apologize, I didn't mean to say that YOU should use Gentoo, I was just pointing out that it is easy if you do. Gentoo isn't for everyone, and I agree, gentoo over a modem wouldn't be much fun.
As for people using it personally I know several. I use it both at work and at home as my desktop. I know of 5 other people who use it as their personal desktops as well (this is not including the 2 that I persuaded to switch to it).
As for professionally, I only know of 1 company personally that has rolled out servers based on Gentoo. I know the sys-admin and he is VERY happy with it.
Maybe it just hasn't caught on yet in Russia;-) Maybe it won't ever. But it is a great system, and if you ever get the chance to try it I highly recomend it.
When was the last time you took a programming languages design (meaning the design of programming languages) course??
I took one last semester and am in another one right now - these courses are basically singing the praises of OO, and they are not taught by idiots. OO gives us a lot of desirable things in a language, while the tradeoffs are becoming less and less significant (mostly speed).
Just like the other guy said, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it is bad. There are good reasons why OO is becoming so popular - and it has nothing to do with trendiness. Computer scientists sit around and think about all these issues day in and day out. They write papers, and show imperical evidence on these subjects all the time, there is mass peer review going on right now (and in the last several years) about OO. Please don't just shrug it off as a trend.
And took a break to come over here and see what's going on... but I just can't escape it!
Seriously though, I love php. It has done a lot for me (several jobs while I am in college), and it makes my life easier (I use it to do all of my shell scripting and personal websites too).
The language is good and solid - it is great to see it being used in places such as Yahoo, this means it is really coming to be accepted by large businesses and will mean it will be around for a while.
I already use it. I was saying that I know someone who used FreeBSD but now uses Gentoo - and is very satisfied with the move.
But I do use it on a day to day basis. It is my desktop at home and at work - and runs all of my servers. It is a great multipurpose distribution because you install exactly what you need and no more.
I actually have a friend that switched from FreeBSD last year to Gentoo Linux.
It is a complete ports system (compiling everything from source, with auto-dependency resolving). It also has a very cool init system (with dependency checkin and resolving) along with other cool features.
Give it a try - it is GREAT, I simply can't use anything else now.
To install KDE X and everything they depend on you just do:
emerge kde
It then downloads the source for KDE, X and everything they depend on, compiles them for your hardware (mine are all athlon-tbird optimized), then installs them.
Indeed I have a friend who has shown me Gfilerunner - very nicely done, it does look like it has promise.
Keep up the good work.
You are totally and completely correct in saying that competition brings improvement. Linux is in a situation with its DE's that no other platform in the world has been in. We have a real chance to create some truly exciting desktop environments - and I think we are now getting there, all because of the competition.
Thanks for chiming in! It is good to hear from people who are ACTIVELY doing something for the community instead of all of these whiny slashdotters that never get off their duff and just put everyone down.
Reading this interview makes me think about just how far in front of Gnome KDE is... "thumbnailing and autoplay on hover for video would be possible ?"
Autoplay on hover is already in KDE 3.0 and thumbnailinng is in KDE 3.1 "different information under each icon for each type of file is possible (ie pixel size and color depth for images, length in time of audio and video, and so on)"
Once again this stuff is either in KDE 3 or 3.1 "The Icon view is quite integrated with the core Nautilus code at the moment, so it is very hard to do things like this."
This is where we start to see some architectual problems with Gnome. KDE does not suffer from these because everything is very componentized (probably because C++ is fundamentally more componentized itself). "you can't e.g. write external Nautilus views (e.g. a cvs view) that uses the icon view."
Once again a foundation problem. KDE already has an integrated CVS view in konquerer (it uses the cervisia kpart).
"but designing the right APIs to allow this and not cripple our ability to make changes to the Nautilus internals is very hard"
These apis should have been designed in the first place - BEFORE things got to this point.
"Right now things like Apotheke, the CVS view, have to recreate the whole directory view, which is a pain."
Once again this is where the abundance of kparts comes in handy - just include the directory view part and you are done in KDE.
"the concept of a distinct 'Nautilus Theme' has started to go away in favor of more systemwide theming mechanisms"
Started?? Konquerer has used the rest of the KDE system themes for a LONG time!
"he GTK+ & GNOME file selector is a popular subject both on the GNOME mailing lists and on sites such as gnomesupport.org and gnomedesktop.org. Using Nautilus or subsets of Nautilus for this task"
Once again we see the componentized nature of KDE shining through. Since everything is a kpart - nothing has to be reinvented. KDE has had a standard file dialog box for some time now - and it functions just like konquerer - including theming and icons.
"Another developer requested feature is being able to embed the nautilus fileviews into other applications,"
Me? Beating the dead horse?? Nah....
I really like Gnome - but I use KDE myself (and am a C++ programmer). I wish the Gnome folks lots of luck in catching up with KDE on these issues.
That said - there are other areas in which gnome shines - indeed the desktop is not ALL about the filemanager. Bothe DE's have their ups and downs, I just wanted to point out some of Gnome's downs in reference to the interview.
Just slap Gentoo Linux on the system and you will be using every MHz you got to create the ultimate operating sytem.
I personally just have a 1.2GHz with 512 SDRAM and I am severely wanting to upgrade right now - but I think I am going to wait until next summer so I can get a Hammer... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 64-bit Linux! Delicious!
Well, I would except I stay as far away from those machines as possible;-)
My laptop has a touchpad and I wouldn't want it any other way.
That said, I think this would be better for an eraserpoint user to use than having to go all the way up to the top of the screen and slap a button - all the person has to do is right click and then move a little left or right and then click again... Not that bad....
But like I said I don't use one so I can't speak as to how well it works. It sounds like you have one - why don't you let us in on how good/bad it is.
Seems like a leftist socialist to me (the whole thing about mandatory 6 month maternity leave - and tax breaks for helping further).
I am sorry but I am not for this at all. If we didn't have so many damn taxes taking our money away and giving it to other people women could afford to take off 6 months from work and still be ok.
We DONT need a bigger government. All the people trying to create laws to keep computer users down (dmca, sssca, anti p2p) are just doing the same thing that she is doing.... Overstepping the bounds of a democratic government.
If you want 6 months maternity leave then move to france - or some other socialist community. Meanwhile we here in america need to get back to what made this country tick in the first place... healthy competition. FDR's New Deal has put this country on a path to distruction.
Lets get rid of the patent bullshit. Lets get rid of the monopolies. Let's get rid of the damned congress people accepting "donations". And let's get back on track.
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Actually moz has had gestures for a while: http://optimoz.mozdev.org/.
But something even better than gestures are the pie menus (found on the same page above, but also at: http://www.gamemakers.de/mozilla/radialcontext/) they are like gestures with a gui (indeed after you use them for a while you never look at the pie-menu any more, except to find obscure actions).
My favorite: RightClickandHold->UpRight->Down->Release (Closes the current tab)
Derek
What is up with the top loading NES??? I bought one of these a while back (about 4 or 5 years ago I think). Wasn't a big deal, was real cheap (like 40 bucks or so).
Are people trying to get ahold of them??? Are they rare?
Sometimes I just dont get why old stuff is popular.
Derek
>javascript popup control broken
Really? it works for me....
Settings->Configure Konquerer->Java & JavaScript->Java Script->JavaScript Web Popups Policy->Smart or Deny
>right click then click close
Try right clicking on your toolbar and clicking "Configure Toolbars" - add yourself a "Close Tab" and "Open Tab" button - then it is just like moz.
Derek
Also - you can right click on konq's toolbar and click "Configure Toolbars..." and add a "New Tab" and "Close Tab" button so that you get basically the same functionality as in moz.
That said. I don't like the way the tabs close in konq (they have some weird algorithm as to whether to go to the tab to the left or to the righ - I think it depends on how many tabs there are to the left or to the right of the tab you closed - but it is hard to tell). I want to just act like moz and go to the right all the time (makes more sense - newer stuff is to the right).
Derek
A better movie that shows what is possible with finger print fraud (and Biometric fraud in general) is Gattaca. In this movie - your biometrics ARE you, in that if something is physically (mainly genetically) wrong with you you are descriminated against.
They use various forms of Biometrics testing to figure out if you are you - so in order to become someone else you have to fake a lot of stuff (hair,blood,urine,skin,fingerprint).
Kinda scary - but this is not out of the realm of possibilities for the future.
Derek
If you want realistic gibs go check out the Demo of Blood Rayne for PC (it just came out today).
THE BEST GIBS I HAVE EVER SEEN. Indeed it is the goriest game I have ever played - and one of the most satisfying "run & gun" games I have played in a long time.
Go check it out - you won't be dissapointed.
Derek
Hilarious - I think I stayed in this exact hotel last summer.
I was moving into a new apartment and had to stay one night - the catch was my apartment complex was going to email me my password to get into my apartment.
So, I brought my laptop with me into the hotel thinking that I could just dial up and use my university's web mail to get the password quickly....
That was a pipe dream. My connection out of that hotel was horrible - it kept dropping it (I was connecting to MSN at the time because I didn't have my own dial-up so I just used my parents), and it is was another $.75 everytime I had to readial!
This is all not too mention that the hotel provided me with a list of area codes on it that were "local" - but then the ONE number I end up choosing to dial up to (with an area code on the list) happened to not be local - they tried to charge me through the nose and I told them what for...
The whole thing was just disgusting, never again will I stay at a Marriot Residence Inn.
Derek
Please don't take this as trolling....
But have you seen KDE's print menu/system?? It works directly with cups and is actually easier to use than even MS's printer installer.
KDE 3.1 improved things even more, and now the whole system is very sweet. Give it a try.
Derek
I dont know what you're talking about.
I was using it in Mozilla just fine.
What version do you have? I am using 1.2.1 (the latest stable) under Gentoo Linux.
It all runs fine for me.
Derek
What is missing in the way of threads?? 2.6 is going to be fully POSIX compatible (meaning they are using pthreads).
What more do you want?
Derek
Sorry you take it for whoring... It's just that this operating system has completely blown me away. Never before have I been so happy to be using a certain OS.
;-) Maybe it won't ever. But it is a great system, and if you ever get the chance to try it I highly recomend it.
I apologize, I didn't mean to say that YOU should use Gentoo, I was just pointing out that it is easy if you do. Gentoo isn't for everyone, and I agree, gentoo over a modem wouldn't be much fun.
As for people using it personally I know several. I use it both at work and at home as my desktop. I know of 5 other people who use it as their personal desktops as well (this is not including the 2 that I persuaded to switch to it).
As for professionally, I only know of 1 company personally that has rolled out servers based on Gentoo. I know the sys-admin and he is VERY happy with it.
Maybe it just hasn't caught on yet in Russia
Derek
I didn't think that:
emerge djbdns
was all that hard! But I guess you don't run Gentoo
Derek
When was the last time you took a programming languages design (meaning the design of programming languages) course??
I took one last semester and am in another one right now - these courses are basically singing the praises of OO, and they are not taught by idiots. OO gives us a lot of desirable things in a language, while the tradeoffs are becoming less and less significant (mostly speed).
Just like the other guy said, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it is bad. There are good reasons why OO is becoming so popular - and it has nothing to do with trendiness. Computer scientists sit around and think about all these issues day in and day out. They write papers, and show imperical evidence on these subjects all the time, there is mass peer review going on right now (and in the last several years) about OO. Please don't just shrug it off as a trend.
Derek
And took a break to come over here and see what's going on... but I just can't escape it!
Seriously though, I love php. It has done a lot for me (several jobs while I am in college), and it makes my life easier (I use it to do all of my shell scripting and personal websites too).
The language is good and solid - it is great to see it being used in places such as Yahoo, this means it is really coming to be accepted by large businesses and will mean it will be around for a while.
Derek
I already use it. I was saying that I know someone who used FreeBSD but now uses Gentoo - and is very satisfied with the move.
But I do use it on a day to day basis. It is my desktop at home and at work - and runs all of my servers. It is a great multipurpose distribution because you install exactly what you need and no more.
Derek
One word:
Gentoo
I actually have a friend that switched from FreeBSD last year to Gentoo Linux.
It is a complete ports system (compiling everything from source, with auto-dependency resolving). It also has a very cool init system (with dependency checkin and resolving) along with other cool features.
Give it a try - it is GREAT, I simply can't use anything else now.
To install KDE X and everything they depend on you just do:
emerge kde
It then downloads the source for KDE, X and everything they depend on, compiles them for your hardware (mine are all athlon-tbird optimized), then installs them.
All very nice and tidy.
Check it out - you will be amazed.
Derek
Indeed I have a friend who has shown me Gfilerunner - very nicely done, it does look like it has promise.
Keep up the good work.
You are totally and completely correct in saying that competition brings improvement. Linux is in a situation with its DE's that no other platform in the world has been in. We have a real chance to create some truly exciting desktop environments - and I think we are now getting there, all because of the competition.
Thanks for chiming in! It is good to hear from people who are ACTIVELY doing something for the community instead of all of these whiny slashdotters that never get off their duff and just put everyone down.
Derek
Reading this interview makes me think about just how far in front of Gnome KDE is...
"thumbnailing and autoplay on hover for video would be possible ?"
Autoplay on hover is already in KDE 3.0 and thumbnailinng is in KDE 3.1
"different information under each icon for each type of file is possible (ie pixel size and color depth for images, length in time of audio and video, and so on)"
Once again this stuff is either in KDE 3 or 3.1
"The Icon view is quite integrated with the core Nautilus code at the moment, so it is very hard to do things like this."
This is where we start to see some architectual problems with Gnome. KDE does not suffer from these because everything is very componentized (probably because C++ is fundamentally more componentized itself).
"you can't e.g. write external Nautilus views (e.g. a cvs view) that uses the icon view."
Once again a foundation problem. KDE already has an integrated CVS view in konquerer (it uses the cervisia kpart).
"but designing the right APIs to allow this and not cripple our ability to make changes to the Nautilus internals is very hard"
These apis should have been designed in the first place - BEFORE things got to this point.
"Right now things like Apotheke, the CVS view, have to recreate the whole directory view, which is a pain."
Once again this is where the abundance of kparts comes in handy - just include the directory view part and you are done in KDE.
"the concept of a distinct 'Nautilus Theme' has started to go away in favor of more systemwide theming mechanisms"
Started?? Konquerer has used the rest of the KDE system themes for a LONG time!
"he GTK+ & GNOME file selector is a popular subject both on the GNOME mailing lists and on sites such as gnomesupport.org and gnomedesktop.org. Using Nautilus or subsets of Nautilus for this task"
Once again we see the componentized nature of KDE shining through. Since everything is a kpart - nothing has to be reinvented. KDE has had a standard file dialog box for some time now - and it functions just like konquerer - including theming and icons.
"Another developer requested feature is being able to embed the nautilus fileviews into other applications,"
Me? Beating the dead horse?? Nah....
I really like Gnome - but I use KDE myself (and am a C++ programmer). I wish the Gnome folks lots of luck in catching up with KDE on these issues.
That said - there are other areas in which gnome shines - indeed the desktop is not ALL about the filemanager. Bothe DE's have their ups and downs, I just wanted to point out some of Gnome's downs in reference to the interview.
Derek
Just thought I would mention that it played perfectly - and without any hassle using Xine under linux.
Hmmmm, things are getting better all the time for us linux users.
Derek
Even though it isn't for linux - it is GPL and therefor OSS.
http://www.phpedit.net/
Quite a good prog - even though I dont use windows anymore.
Beyond that Quanta is a great program that does the same stuff - but for linux.
Derek
As a side note - you should know that if you were using Gentoo linux all you have to do is:
emerge chkrootkit
And it will get the source, check the md5, compile, and install it for you.
Derek
Exactly!!
Just slap Gentoo Linux on the system and you will be using every MHz you got to create the ultimate operating sytem.
I personally just have a 1.2GHz with 512 SDRAM and I am severely wanting to upgrade right now - but I think I am going to wait until next summer so I can get a Hammer... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 64-bit Linux! Delicious!
Derek
Well, I would except I stay as far away from those machines as possible ;-)
My laptop has a touchpad and I wouldn't want it any other way.
That said, I think this would be better for an eraserpoint user to use than having to go all the way up to the top of the screen and slap a button - all the person has to do is right click and then move a little left or right and then click again... Not that bad....
But like I said I don't use one so I can't speak as to how well it works. It sounds like you have one - why don't you let us in on how good/bad it is.
Derek
Seems like a leftist socialist to me (the whole thing about mandatory 6 month maternity leave - and tax breaks for helping further).
I am sorry but I am not for this at all. If we didn't have so many damn taxes taking our money away and giving it to other people women could afford to take off 6 months from work and still be ok.
We DONT need a bigger government. All the people trying to create laws to keep computer users down (dmca, sssca, anti p2p) are just doing the same thing that she is doing.... Overstepping the bounds of a democratic government.
If you want 6 months maternity leave then move to france - or some other socialist community. Meanwhile we here in america need to get back to what made this country tick in the first place... healthy competition. FDR's New Deal has put this country on a path to distruction.
Lets get rid of the patent bullshit. Lets get rid of the monopolies. Let's get rid of the damned congress people accepting "donations". And let's get back on track.
Derek
LOL!!!
Alright guys you got me! Cut me a little slack though - it was around 2am here when I made that post.
Reading it now, I can't believe I made those errors. But you know what? It happens...
Ok - move along now - nothing to see here....
Derek