First of all, I am *far* from a windows freak. Doesn't it seem interesting to you that the same argument is being made over and over again by different people? Thats when its time to try something new, and actually *listen* to what they are saying.
Assuming that people are only saying something because they are bigots is total ignorance. I own a mac (as well as several sparcstations, and o2, and a few pc's running linux/windows). If this post were about any of the above, I could possibly comment on what shortcomings those os's had. That doesn't make me a fanboi of the competing os, it makes me *open minded*....
I just wanted to point out that I have been on slashdot for a while now, and I have *never* seen a thread with so many posts moderated as "troll", "flamebait" or "offtopic". Many of the posts are valid points, and if they were discussing microsoft, they would be modded +5 funny, or +5 informative. It seems to me someone is taking things a little too defensively.
For the record, I hate microsoft, and I am a unix guy at heart. That doesn't mean that everyting apple feeds to me I have to love. A little healthy criticism does everyone good, including apple.
yes, because the might tiger has features such as "save as html". I mean, did you even look at the feature list? Most of them are totally bogus "aqua calculator widget" and "Burnable Folders". Oh I bow before you mighty tiger, I didn't realize you could now save text as html, and burn folders straight to cd. Please, take my wallet!!!ONE!!
I can't believe apple is charging money for this release. Sure, there are some features, but most of them are tweaks. For once I have to use microsoft as an example of how it *should* be done. Look at service pack 2, you get additional features, tweaks, and improved security. It seems that tiger is comparable to sp2 as far as adding features to the base OS. Apple just lost a couple of cool points in my book.
There are companies like you mentioned out there. I have worked for a couple in my days as a Unix contractor. These are the places that programmers go to die. I actually couldn't take working at these sites for more than 6 months at a time. Everything was so slow paced that it made me crazy. On top of that, they seemed to be filled with the bottom of the barrel developers. Get this, our CIO's "big idea" was that our new software should hit the shelves as "widget 1.2" instead of "widget 1.0", even though there was no change in development life cycle. His point was that customers would "think" there were less bugs cause it was a higher rev. I had to leave...
The best place to find places like this are state goverment, healthcare, and universities. The problem is not going completely crazy before you retire. Make sure you read up on dilbert so you know what to expect from your pointy haired boss.
You have a good point. The community *did* take a really long time to build modules. But the great thing is, the community *built* modules. These days not nearly enough games give the end users the tools they need to create their own expansions/modules to the game. NWN gave the end user the same tools that the game designers used to build the modules and its expansion pack.
I think NWN is one of the best games to come out in years, because of its replay value. There aren't many games I buy (and I buy way too many) that I finish, and of the ones I finish, I almost never replay them. Neverwinter Nights is the exception, because I wanted to play though it with every different class (melee, vs divine magine, vs arcane magic, vs rogue) for several different modules. I would send Atari my check right now for NWN2 if I could.
As a sysadmin type who "doesn't know any better", I can tell you that I like PERL because its effective, and easy to write a short legible program that is far more powerful than a shell script. I work at a large company, and we have many cases where a perl script evolved into something much more complex than many C/Java programs in production, simply because when a small change needs to be made, almost anyone who has taken a previous programming language can make the changes or add features.
BTW, we have had Java programmers come in and give preso's on why Java is so great, and its pretty funny, they talk about a lot of things that perl has, but they don't realize it. Oh, we can create "objects and manipulate them", or "we can reuse our code". Crazy me, I've been typing all those perl modules by hand and throwing them away when I was done with them!
I have developed a three tier solution for documents. I have a fax machine that I use to fax my documents to/from. This is connected to a documentum docimage system, that stores the images in an oracle databse.
I was thinking about installing a java front end to use webdav to connect to the db to allow me to access the documents through a webpage, but I'm not sure if I'll go through with it or not, I want to keep it fairly simple...
I'm kidding of course, I have a trash can in my office that my girlfriend loves to throw all my important documents in.
>>The original poster was referring to soft partitioning as a function of SVM/Disksuite
Yes, he was. Thats why in my response to him I said (soft partitions are for grown ups, and have nothing to do with disks). The article only had one reference to soft partitions, and it was in now way shape or form connected to either disksuite or solaris volume manager.
In the article that is linked from slashdot, the word partition is only used once, and here is where: "Solaris Zones ("Project Kevlar") A next generation of the software based partitions in Solaris"
You should know as well as I do that the zones have nothing to do with disks. This is a virtual os copy that runs on hardware. I'm trying to point out that the original poster doesn't know what he's talking about.
I'm not confusing anything. Solaris resource manager allows you to create l-nodes that attach to the kernel. This allows you to limit cpu/memory/terminal time per users.
The soft partition allows you to run multiple copies of an os on a single piece of hardware. HP has done this for a couple years. This IS new to solaris 10.
p.s. I was the original anonymous coward post that mentioned soft partitioning is for grown ups.
Well, at least all the new linux users in india will have a local number to call for support. The WIPRO guys won't have to speak english either, its a win/win situation.
Now instead of fighting my way though ftp/cvs mirrors to download the latest distro of linux, I can just download it from a friendly neighborhood warez site! Its a win win situation really:)
I suppose it depends on how you look at it. true, you have better performance with udp, but you all so have to *really* worry about not having all the connection oriented things that that extra overhead offers you. Its a policy at several places I have worked to flat out drop incoming udp because its impossible to prove if its being spoofed or not.
>> SSH tunnels are merely secure and easy, not >> necessarily the best
Of all the things you can compromise when setting up a vpn into your internal network I don't think security is one I'm not willing to cut any corners on.
Have you ever seen ntop (www.ntop.org). Its a nice utility with a web interface, and good reporting features for bandwidth usage. If you put it on the gateway/firewall its pretty decent.
So now I don't just have to worry about losing my vpn into work in the middle of the night because of some unavoidable packet loss, but also because of some automagic utility that people will throw into place for my benefit. Will the "features" never stop?
>>I remember one kid in jr. high school who hacked >>a chemical company and ordered 26000 tons of >>suphuric and nitric acids to be delivered to a day >>care facility AS A JOKE.
That nothing! There was this kid I went to school with named David who hacked into this computer called wopr, and almost started world war III! Luckily a game of tic tac toe saved the day.
O.K. I know it's a movie, but it's more believable than his story.....
You guys just aren't getting it. I agree that all of these things are what make sun great, but you also have to realize that linux/intel can be just as powerfull if designed correctly. All the things that you listed (high memory, hot swap memory/cpu) only apply when the machine is scaled vertical (i.e. one big machine). Where linux is making a killing is when people scale horizontally (i.e. cluster!)
If you dont believe me, check out http://www.top500.org/list/2002/11/ I dont see any sun machine in the top 10, but I see a linux....
Sun is losing market share and fast. It says a lot when you take the top of the line sparc chip, and put it up against a chip a quarter of the price that kicks its butt. Granted sparc is scalable (Scalable Processor ARChitecture), but not every case calls for a 24 cpu machine. Even hp has hpux running on Itanium. Sure sun has solaris x86, but they even tried to drop that!
Well, it may not be what they meant, but a pendulum atomic clock is impractical simply because many of the experiments that require atomic precision, would have an adverse effect on a pendulum... Here is a good link with examples of why pendulum (gravity) based systems wouldn't be too practical.
http://media4.physics.indiana.edu/~kostelec/mov. ht ml
www.pricewatch.com has a 180g scsi hd for US $894, and a 181 eide for $257.
Even with the $100 for an adapter, thats a pretty big difference to me. I have an ultra2 I put a scsi 711 sun array on that holds 6 18Gb drives, and it was over $600. I would have loved to put an ide drive in a single scsi disk enclosure, and had almost twice the storage for half the cost...
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First of all, I am *far* from a windows freak. Doesn't it seem interesting to you that the same argument is being made over and over again by different people? Thats when its time to try something new, and actually *listen* to what they are saying.
Assuming that people are only saying something because they are bigots is total ignorance. I own a mac (as well as several sparcstations, and o2, and a few pc's running linux/windows). If this post were about any of the above, I could possibly comment on what shortcomings those os's had. That doesn't make me a fanboi of the competing os, it makes me *open minded*....
I just wanted to point out that I have been on slashdot for a while now, and I have *never* seen a thread with so many posts moderated as "troll", "flamebait" or "offtopic". Many of the posts are valid points, and if they were discussing microsoft, they would be modded +5 funny, or +5 informative. It seems to me someone is taking things a little too defensively.
For the record, I hate microsoft, and I am a unix guy at heart. That doesn't mean that everyting apple feeds to me I have to love. A little healthy criticism does everyone good, including apple.
yes, because the might tiger has features such as "save as html". I mean, did you even look at the feature list? Most of them are totally bogus "aqua calculator widget" and "Burnable Folders". Oh I bow before you mighty tiger, I didn't realize you could now save text as html, and burn folders straight to cd. Please, take my wallet!!!ONE!!
So it the google toolbar. Call me crazy, but a search feature != newos in my book.
I can't believe apple is charging money for this release. Sure, there are some features, but most of them are tweaks. For once I have to use microsoft as an example of how it *should* be done. Look at service pack 2, you get additional features, tweaks, and improved security. It seems that tiger is comparable to sp2 as far as adding features to the base OS. Apple just lost a couple of cool points in my book.
There are companies like you mentioned out there. I have worked for a couple in my days as a Unix contractor. These are the places that programmers go to die. I actually couldn't take working at these sites for more than 6 months at a time. Everything was so slow paced that it made me crazy. On top of that, they seemed to be filled with the bottom of the barrel developers. Get this, our CIO's "big idea" was that our new software should hit the shelves as "widget 1.2" instead of "widget 1.0", even though there was no change in development life cycle. His point was that customers would "think" there were less bugs cause it was a higher rev. I had to leave...
The best place to find places like this are state goverment, healthcare, and universities. The problem is not going completely crazy before you retire. Make sure you read up on dilbert so you know what to expect from your pointy haired boss.
You have a good point. The community *did* take a really long time to build modules. But the great thing is, the community *built* modules. These days not nearly enough games give the end users the tools they need to create their own expansions/modules to the game. NWN gave the end user the same tools that the game designers used to build the modules and its expansion pack.
I think NWN is one of the best games to come out in years, because of its replay value. There aren't many games I buy (and I buy way too many) that I finish, and of the ones I finish, I almost never replay them. Neverwinter Nights is the exception, because I wanted to play though it with every different class (melee, vs divine magine, vs arcane magic, vs rogue) for several different modules. I would send Atari my check right now for NWN2 if I could.
As a sysadmin type who "doesn't know any better", I can tell you that I like PERL because its effective, and easy to write a short legible program that is far more powerful than a shell script. I work at a large company, and we have many cases where a perl script evolved into something much more complex than many C/Java programs in production, simply because when a small change needs to be made, almost anyone who has taken a previous programming language can make the changes or add features.
BTW, we have had Java programmers come in and give preso's on why Java is so great, and its pretty funny, they talk about a lot of things that perl has, but they don't realize it. Oh, we can create "objects and manipulate them", or "we can reuse our code". Crazy me, I've been typing all those perl modules by hand and throwing them away when I was done with them!
His picture makes him look like "the rock". The caption under the picture should say something like "can you smell what I'm cookin".....
I have developed a three tier solution for documents. I have a fax machine that I use to fax my documents to/from. This is connected to a documentum docimage system, that stores the images in an oracle databse.
I was thinking about installing a java front end to use webdav to connect to the db to allow me to access the documents through a webpage, but I'm not sure if I'll go through with it or not, I want to keep it fairly simple...
I'm kidding of course, I have a trash can in my office that my girlfriend loves to throw all my important documents in.
>>The original poster was referring to soft partitioning as a function of SVM/Disksuite
Yes, he was. Thats why in my response to him I said (soft partitions are for grown ups, and have nothing to do with disks). The article only had one reference to soft partitions, and it was in now way shape or form connected to either disksuite or solaris volume manager.
In the article that is linked from slashdot, the word partition is only used once, and here is where:
"Solaris Zones ("Project Kevlar") A next generation of the software based partitions in Solaris"
You should know as well as I do that the zones have nothing to do with disks. This is a virtual os copy that runs on hardware. I'm trying to point out that the original poster doesn't know what he's talking about.
I'm not confusing anything. Solaris resource manager allows you to create l-nodes that attach to the kernel. This allows you to limit cpu/memory/terminal time per users.
The soft partition allows you to run multiple copies of an os on a single piece of hardware. HP has done this for a couple years. This IS new to solaris 10.
p.s. I was the original anonymous coward post that mentioned soft partitioning is for grown ups.
Well, at least all the new linux users in india will have a local number to call for support. The WIPRO guys won't have to speak english either, its a win/win situation.
Now instead of fighting my way though ftp/cvs mirrors to download the latest distro of linux, I can just download it from a friendly neighborhood warez site! Its a win win situation really :)
>> After all, UDP tunnels are frequently better
I suppose it depends on how you look at it. true, you have better performance with udp, but you all so have to *really* worry about not having all the connection oriented things that that extra overhead offers you. Its a policy at several places I have worked to flat out drop incoming udp because its impossible to prove if its being spoofed or not.
>> SSH tunnels are merely secure and easy, not >> necessarily the best
Of all the things you can compromise when setting up a vpn into your internal network I don't think security is one I'm not willing to cut any corners on.
Have you ever seen ntop (www.ntop.org). Its a nice utility with a web interface, and good reporting features for bandwidth usage. If you put it on the gateway/firewall its pretty decent.
So now I don't just have to worry about losing my vpn into work in the middle of the night because of some unavoidable packet loss, but also because of some automagic utility that people will throw into place for my benefit. Will the "features" never stop?
>>I remember one kid in jr. high school who hacked >>a chemical company and ordered 26000 tons of >>suphuric and nitric acids to be delivered to a day >>care facility AS A JOKE.
That nothing! There was this kid I went to school with named David who hacked into this computer called wopr, and almost started world war III! Luckily a game of tic tac toe saved the day.
O.K. I know it's a movie, but it's more believable than his story.....
Thats insane! Do you know how many Java developers $16.50 would buy? I bet your IT management does....
You guys just aren't getting it. I agree that all of these things are what make sun great, but you also have to realize that linux/intel can be just as powerfull if designed correctly. All the things that you listed (high memory, hot swap memory/cpu) only apply when the machine is scaled vertical (i.e. one big machine). Where linux is making a killing is when people scale horizontally (i.e. cluster!)
If you dont believe me, check out
http://www.top500.org/list/2002/11/
I dont see any sun machine in the top 10, but I see a linux....
Sun is losing market share and fast. It says a lot when you take the top of the line sparc chip, and put it up against a chip a quarter of the price that kicks its butt. Granted sparc is scalable (Scalable Processor ARChitecture), but not every case calls for a 24 cpu machine. Even hp has hpux running on Itanium. Sure sun has solaris x86, but they even tried to drop that!
Well, it may not be what they meant, but a pendulum atomic clock is impractical simply because many of the experiments that require atomic precision, would have an adverse effect on a pendulum...
. ht ml
Here is a good link with examples of why pendulum (gravity) based systems wouldn't be too practical.
http://media4.physics.indiana.edu/~kostelec/mov
>>Microsoft has the right to read any data you have stored on a computer which runs the OS.
Thats nothing, in soviet russia, the OS runs you!
*sigh* hadn't seen one in a while.....
How, I have a few other terrible science/geek jokes as well.
Q: What did the guy mushroom say to the girl mushroom?
A: I am a fungi.
*ducks*
www.pricewatch.com has a 180g scsi hd for US $894, and a 181 eide for $257.
Even with the $100 for an adapter, thats a pretty big difference to me. I have an ultra2 I put a scsi 711 sun array on that holds 6 18Gb drives, and it was over $600. I would have loved to put an ide drive in a single scsi disk enclosure, and had almost twice the storage for half the cost...