"Therefore, all PE files are executable, but not all executable files are portable." (from Symantec's website). Slashdot and Symantec are FUD whores. I am basking, however, in the fact that I just connected to the internet for the first time with my box running FreeBSD, but... Hey, a binary that runs on some stock machines if you're dumb enough to launch it... I'm sorry, but it's just FUD.
What the fuck is a lego mindstorm? Is it what happens when you eat too much candy and try to reproduce the 'Waterworld' set in legos? I haven't seen one single link in all this mess that actually points you to 'Lego Mindstorm Portal' or whatever the hell...
Yes, I have it running on a P166 w/ 80mb RAM, and Enlightenment with Konqueror browser runs ok. I use text-based apps for mail and news, which of course just fly... The point is, though, that setting up OpenBSD is a great learning experience. For example, csh is the default shell, which until you add and configure your users, is painful. (You are going to want sh). Also, I may be a tool, but in order to avoid dependency issues when installing from the Packages collection, I ended up copying them all to a directory, installing everything I wanted, and then blowing away the directory. You will need a good bit of space to do this (a 2gb drive is plenty). The structure of the/etc files and network config is a breath of fresh air, very simple. I sometimes get frustrated with Linux, as depending on what distro is installed, setup can mean reading more and more MAN pages etc. Plus configuring and learning about each service as you go along is the Manly Way to Install Unix(tm). I have also used it on a P100 laptop w/ 24mb and it ran fine, although the lack of RAM means more swappage. Give yourself 80MB to 120 MB of swappage, and be gentle:)
So stay out of our Love-Fest! If you don't like him, shut up:) But the judge will have to give you the same leeway when you are questioning the witnesses...
Yeah, DNA got me through my late teens/ early twenties. When I needed to forget about things and have a laugh, I read h2g2 or his Dirk Gently Holistic Detective stuff (Long Dark Tea-time of the Soul shows his maturity as a writer, something that is missing somewhat in the Hitchhiker's guide stuff). He had such a sense of humor in looking at the absurdity of the world, which is a good perspective to have once in a while. Good on ya, DNA...
So now you hate OpenBSD because they're making you type pkgadd -v ftpd.tar.gz or whatever? Whaaa...
You have to install Emacs on it FCS! It aims to be an OS that is built from the ground up on each system, so that you have not the bloat. Also you are guaranteed to know about all the services by the time you get finished setting up a BSD box...
There ya go, excellent. Work within the system. This is an interesting topic, as I work for a library, and may have to think about some of these things from time to time.
Yeah, how many bogomips is this guy? My laptop (1066 pIIIm) is over 2000, I'd like to see what the cluster does... Yeah, why are they using KVM? Just get each node's network running and then telnet between nodes... I could waste lots of time screwing with this damn thing... Too much money, but somebody HAD to do it...
Nah, Microsoft told us at my old job, OEM, that anyone that wants to buy a license to be legit has to just buy one piece of hardware. They love selling those licenses, they're after the ones that never bought licenses EVER. We asked them, can we sell a BNC terminator for $.05 , and would the customer then be allowed to purchase an OEM 2000 Pro license for $130? YES. How about 2000 Server 5 CALS? YES. Small Business Server package? YES.
Now as an IT Manager, sometimes I miss working as a system builder. I'll bet those guys have the new Server Beta over there...
Yeah, I used to be the corporate sales guy that everyone assumed could spend 10 seconds online and have boiled down the entire laptop market to give my customer the scoop on exactly the price and feature point in the market that he/she wanted. Now you know what it's like out there...
FWIW, I mostly sold Asus, which are a monster product, but I had to provide most of the support myself. For retail customers the Toshibas are great products, lot of third party accessories available for cheap, and if you spend $1500 to $1700 you can probably get what you want.
Spring for the extra warranty, otherwise you might be flushing $2000 down the toilet if you break the thing 366 days after you bought it.
I agree. I've been using an old P100 Compaq with an 11" display, about 1.5" thick, 2.2.x Slackware for a couple years, I love it. I got a new job and they gave me a 1GHz Gateway with a 15.7" display (holy jesus) and a burner, etc. I hate the Gateway. Too hot, too big, can't see the TV over top of the screen, battery hog. I read about the Crusoe-based machines a few months ago and wish they would have asked me what I wanted...
My father-in-law got a titanium bracelet, linked like a chain, but shaped like... flexible conduit meets a plastic snake toy? This was two years ago in Australia, and they were made and sold locally. I'm not telling him he was ahead of the 'cool' curve by a couple years...
I concur. Anyone who doesn't think this is a good idea can keep going to the local mall cineplex and park 500 yards from the theater and wait in line with the teens who don't know how to stand in line and buy their 50-gallon soda and C130 cargo size popcorn for $35.
You want my address? I'll send you the shipping... I am learning C, and wouldn't it be fitting to learn it on an old Unix box?
As for dino gear, it's more exciting to people like me that are tired of working on whatever the new chipset is and enjoy using a command line to relive the "good old days" on a machine that went from $6000 to free in only five years...
Bill, you are killing me. Every two years I have to learn a new OS from scratch and figure out how to set up all my customers with new machines with your new OS which is "completely redesigned". Aargh! Sure, DOS lasted about 15 years, but Windows was first sitting on DOS, then '95 blew me out of the water. And NT was pretty different. Ok, on top of that, hey, it's Windows 2000. Take NT and then start memorizing screen after screen of GUI "manager tools". Now XP is 2000 with cartoons and a lot of new screens to learn. Now you're blowing me out of the water AGAIN, and I have to keep defending this Registration system to my clients?
UNIX has lots of tools, but the basic concepts and tools are text files that are edited in a text editor. Everything is a file. Once you learn it, sure, you'll want new tools for security, or a better technology to perform this or that task, but generally someone that was using PDP-11's could jump on a modern UNIX box, read a few docs and be up to speed.
Put your vendors' backs against the wall and you're going to have a backlash on your hands...
And my timely, intelligent submissions never make it to the front page? Grumble groan...
"Yeah, I was thinking of putting SCSI and a water cooler on my Packard Bell Multimedia 5000, dude..."
grumble groan...
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"Therefore, all PE files are executable, but not all executable files are portable." (from Symantec's website).
Slashdot and Symantec are FUD whores.
I am basking, however, in the fact that I just connected to the internet for the first time with my box running FreeBSD, but...
Hey, a binary that runs on some stock machines if you're dumb enough to launch it...
I'm sorry, but it's just FUD.
I was just being funny...
LR
What the fuck is a lego mindstorm? Is it what happens when you eat too much candy and try to reproduce the 'Waterworld' set in legos?
I haven't seen one single link in all this mess that actually points you to 'Lego Mindstorm Portal' or whatever the hell...
You mean they came out with a Y2k-compliant product? We had to drop them because they had no promises on Y2k...
Went to a home-rolled Foxpro setup, with a VB front end. It sucked wind.
I am now at another company using a PICK database. Come on!
I am confident that at my next job we will only be allowed to run Visicalc on Mac IIc 's...
LR
Stop flinging your dung at me Koko.
LR
Yes, I have it running on a P166 w/ 80mb RAM, and Enlightenment with Konqueror browser runs ok. I use text-based apps for mail and news, which of course just fly... /etc files and network config is a breath of fresh air, very simple. I sometimes get frustrated with Linux, as depending on what distro is installed, setup can mean reading more and more MAN pages etc. :)
The point is, though, that setting up OpenBSD is a great learning experience. For example, csh is the default shell, which until you add and configure your users, is painful. (You are going to want sh). Also, I may be a tool, but in order to avoid dependency issues when installing from the Packages collection, I ended up copying them all to a directory, installing everything I wanted, and then blowing away the directory. You will need a good bit of space to do this (a 2gb drive is plenty). The structure of the
Plus configuring and learning about each service as you go along is the Manly Way to Install Unix(tm).
I have also used it on a P100 laptop w/ 24mb and it ran fine, although the lack of RAM means more swappage. Give yourself 80MB to 120 MB of swappage, and be gentle
LR
rpm -U --nodep operablahblah
Done, baby.
Looks nice, remembered my 5.0 layout,
me likey. Pulled down the RedHat RPM from www.planetmirror.org and jammed it onto my Mandrake laptop (work machine), very fast and nice new look.
LR
So stay out of our Love-Fest! If you don't like him, shut up :) But the judge will have to give you the same leeway when you are questioning the witnesses...
Yeah, DNA got me through my late teens/ early twenties. When I needed to forget about things and have a laugh, I read h2g2 or his Dirk Gently Holistic Detective stuff (Long Dark Tea-time of the Soul shows his maturity as a writer, something that is missing somewhat in the Hitchhiker's guide stuff). He had such a sense of humor in looking at the absurdity of the world, which is a good perspective to have once in a while.
Good on ya, DNA...
Poo poo on you...
So now you hate OpenBSD because they're making you type pkgadd -v ftpd.tar.gz or whatever? Whaaa...
You have to install Emacs on it FCS! It aims to be an OS that is built from the ground up on each system, so that you have not the bloat. Also you are guaranteed to know about all the services by the time you get finished setting up a BSD box...
'Bye bye OpenBSD', what a tool.
I managed to grab the picture, it is now available at:
www.greenapple.com/~rutledge/cfs868.jpg
See how my ISP likes that...
There ya go, excellent. Work within the system.
This is an interesting topic, as I work for a library, and may have to think about some of these things from time to time.
Yeah, how many bogomips is this guy? My laptop (1066 pIIIm) is over 2000, I'd like to see what the cluster does...
Yeah, why are they using KVM? Just get each node's network running and then telnet between nodes...
I could waste lots of time screwing with this damn thing...
Too much money, but somebody HAD to do it...
I bet he uses Emacs. Everybody used to...
It used to be the only app you needed...
:)
Nah, Microsoft told us at my old job, OEM, that anyone that wants to buy a license to be legit has to just buy one piece of hardware. They love selling those licenses, they're after the ones that never bought licenses EVER.
We asked them, can we sell a BNC terminator for $.05 , and would the customer then be allowed to purchase an OEM 2000 Pro license for $130? YES.
How about 2000 Server 5 CALS? YES.
Small Business Server package? YES.
Now as an IT Manager, sometimes I miss working as a system builder. I'll bet those guys have the new Server Beta over there...
Yeah, I used to be the corporate sales guy that everyone assumed could spend 10 seconds online and have boiled down the entire laptop market to give my customer the scoop on exactly the price and feature point in the market that he/she wanted. Now you know what it's like out there...
FWIW, I mostly sold Asus, which are a monster product, but I had to provide most of the support myself. For retail customers the Toshibas are great products, lot of third party accessories available for cheap, and if you spend $1500 to $1700 you can probably get what you want.
Spring for the extra warranty, otherwise you might be flushing $2000 down the toilet if you break the thing 366 days after you bought it.
:)
I agree. I've been using an old P100 Compaq with an 11" display, about 1.5" thick, 2.2.x Slackware for a couple years, I love it. I got a new job and they gave me a 1GHz Gateway with a 15.7" display (holy jesus) and a burner, etc.
I hate the Gateway. Too hot, too big, can't see the TV over top of the screen, battery hog.
I read about the Crusoe-based machines a few months ago and wish they would have asked me what I wanted...
Oh... ma... gawd...
Dude, you wrote that way too fast...
My father-in-law got a titanium bracelet, linked like a chain, but shaped like... flexible conduit meets a plastic snake toy? This was two years ago in Australia, and they were made and sold locally. I'm not telling him he was ahead of the 'cool' curve by a couple years...
I concur. Anyone who doesn't think this is a good idea can keep going to the local mall cineplex and park 500 yards from the theater and wait in line with the teens who don't know how to stand in line and buy their 50-gallon soda and C130 cargo size popcorn for $35.
The most important thing is,
IS THERE A SMOKING SECTION?
LR
You want my address? I'll send you the shipping... I am learning C, and wouldn't it be fitting to learn it on an old Unix box?
As for dino gear, it's more exciting to people like me that are tired of working on whatever the new chipset is and enjoy using a command line to relive the "good old days" on a machine that went from $6000 to free in only five years...
LR
Hello, you are my new bitch.
Bill, you are killing me. Every two years I have to learn a new OS from scratch and figure out how to set up all my customers with new machines with your new OS which is "completely redesigned". Aargh! Sure, DOS lasted about 15 years, but Windows was first sitting on DOS, then '95 blew me out of the water. And NT was pretty different. Ok, on top of that, hey, it's Windows 2000. Take NT and then start memorizing screen after screen of GUI "manager tools". Now XP is 2000 with cartoons and a lot of new screens to learn. Now you're blowing me out of the water AGAIN, and I have to keep defending this Registration system to my clients?
UNIX has lots of tools, but the basic concepts and tools are text files that are edited in a text editor. Everything is a file. Once you learn it, sure, you'll want new tools for security, or a better technology to perform this or that task, but generally someone that was using PDP-11's could jump on a modern UNIX box, read a few docs and be up to speed.
Put your vendors' backs against the wall and you're going to have a backlash on your hands...
Lincoln Rutledge
MIPS plus DDR... Ahhhh. :)
And my timely, intelligent submissions never make it to the front page? Grumble groan...
"Yeah, I was thinking of putting SCSI and a water cooler on my Packard Bell Multimedia 5000, dude..."
grumble groan...