Another poster said it, but here is probably a summary of the reason.
They appeared to have switched off of Intel and Nvidia. They appear to be off of X86 completely, so they will have to spend some serious $$$$$ to do software emulation. Now they can try and emulate a X86 (P4 700mhz), but they probably can't do the Nvidia stuff without paying Nvidia for some of their patents. So they are kinda stuck.
Will this make a difference to the end users? Possibly...... what if they sold the new Xbox2 for $50? Then very few would care. If they sell it for say $400, then it will be an issue. However, it is my experience that there are many Microsoft lemmings out there, so they will sell some no matter what.
Ok, from a developer standpoint who cares if the Xbox outsold the PS2 for one month. If you want to develop for a console you can develop for the one that has 80+% of the the marketshare and then the PC. That would be the PS2 and the PC. Why would any company waist it's time with the Xbox? Heck there would be no way someone would start making an Xbox1 game now, with the Xbox2 as far along as you imply it is. Add to the insult is the fact that Microsoft appears to have changed the architecture in huge ways, so developing a top notch game on either is a major risk.
The huge issue that Xbox needs to overcome is the fact that it is basically a PC. They are marketing to the same audience, and that audience likes to game more on their PC than on the Xbox. I know a lot of people with consoles, but few with just an Xbox and no higher end pc at home. So when company looks at developing a good game (Doom3), why waist time with any Xbox? Those owners are the same ones that will buy the PC version? Wouldn't you?
Now they can, and have dumped huge amounts of cash at this market, but that can't go on forever. Even Microsoft will have to pick and choose it's battles. Which ones will they pick?
Linux(Server)? Linux(Client)? Java? OpenOffic e? Palm? Cell Phones? Streaming Video? Content Management? Portals? PS2/PS3 NGC? Tivo? Oracle, Postgress, MySQL? Open Source in general? Government funded/mandated GPL development? AOL and other ISP's? Tablet PC's????
Yes they can and will win a few of these, but all this must be done while protecting their cash cow of Office and Windows Server/Clients. Microsoft is starting to see major threats in those areas, and will need to focus a lot of attention ($$$$$) to protect them. This is exactly why they have ~$40 Billion in the bank. They are not stupid, and they know it will take enormous resources to keep their cash cow alive.
So yes they will throw money at the Xbox2 and hope to get a foot in the living rooms of the world, but, as it has been shown; when they can't leverage their OS they have serious problems in new markets.
My prediction is that they will produce the Xbox2, but look at adding a bunch of features in it to make it a Tivo + Xbox + webtv type of device. Heck I could even see DVD burning on it. However, I see this thing having to talk to their servers to work, using MSN of course... That way they have you locked in, and it prevents a lot of the hacks that are going on now.
My last prediciton is that it will fail, and their will be no Xbox3. There will be no tablet PC edition 2 or three either. However, an upside for Microsoft is that I do see them locking their clients in to their servers and apps, so they will be able to stem the migration to Linux for a long time.
I agree with you for a server app, but if you want a bunch of little desktop apps like, calculator notepad zip program image viewer network browser etc....
All those open at the same time would be somewhat significant on a desktop machine.
IMHO both of these will be huge for Java on the desktop. The ability to hook in the OS will be nice and the ability to share some of the VM between apps will also be nice. My only concern is stability.
Yep Internet Explorer runs great, and is compatible with everything on the Mac.
Oh yeah it runs great on Linux and Solaris also.
Look at Microosft's past at supporing other operating systems. They will never support anything that will damage their cash cow of Windows and Office + Server.
Is what you propose going to be in.NET. If so then I would want to avoid it at all cost. Just imagine if one of those classes has a bug, and it crashes the VM. Now Microsoft wouldn't develop any buggy classes would they?
Sun or anyone for that matter has to be very very careful on how they do this. IYour example "Eclipes", isn't a good true world test. How much memory does visual studio take up? IDE's have always been hogs. On some systems Outlook takes over 300MB to load. Getting the initial VM load off the system AND sharing some classes will be huge for most apps. Specifically things like a Java calculator, notepad, ping program, or other small programs.
Lastly, I will agree that C# and.Net will "clean Java's clock" when it runs well, and is supported on all the platforms Java runs well on today. That should be about the time hell freezes over.
Wow, it is hard to believe that one guy basically wrote open office, and now it takes tons of developers from sun to work with it.:-)
I agree that Sun dropping development of open office would be bad, but the great thing about open source (GPL in particular) is that it would NOT be dead. Now lets say that Word Perfect was chewing in to Microsoft's act, and they got bought. What would the end users do then? They would be hosed. Now at least with the source being open someone... IBM/Novell/Oracle/Google/HP could pick up the ball with little effort and work on it.
Oracle would absolutely take advantage of this. Any multi-threaded app would. Like say most of the mid-tier app servers. So in some cases it would be possible to have your database, app-server and web server on one box. Granted that box could be setup with different partitions, (similar to vmware in the low cost world, or perhaps user mode linux).
Speaking as a Palm user who went with a new Ipaq I can say STAY AWAY FROM POCKETPC. In case I wasn't clear, the pocketpc is a giant piece of crap for calander/task compared to the palm. Now can I watch movies on it? Yep. Can I do office stuff on it? Yep. But do I? Nope the screen is too small and the data input sucks. The core functionality of the device sucks. If you want to "upgrade" then you should look at some of the new phones. In my opinion Sony knows the non cell phone pda market is about dead and they are moving to smart phones. That and the PSP will be their product that fills in the gap of "standard" PDA stuff.
Latly, consider this a warning. Don't buy a a PocketPc!!!! Talk to the mass of people who bought one just to dump it within 6 months.
I would somewhat agree with you if I didn't keep seeing ceo salaries above 1000X what the normal American worker makes. Will the upper level managers ever take a pay cut to help a company? For every one example you could give, I could give 100 other that will never take a dime hit.
In my opinion this type of behavior will only produce workers who have a "look out for me" attitude. They will work only long and hard enough to keep their jobs. Come to think of it, this is almost exactly like the Indian culture. So those upper management types that screw their employees (I.T. specifically) will have it good now that the economy isn't good, but those same people will be the ones who will have employees leave at the drop of a hat and not think twice about leaving in the middle of a critical project, if it means furthering their career. Wow, the more I think about this, the more it seems EXACTLY like the Indian culture....
So the way I see it, the real problem is greed. The top people will never see their multi-million dollar salaries with golden parchutes go away, and they will do anything to protect that, even if it means hurting the company.
You are correct about the fuel jelling, but to say that the higher compression has nothing to do with staring isn't correct. Yes they put larger starters and in some cases larger (more CC amp) or two batteries. Why? It is because the added compression makes it harder to start. I don't remember but I believe the compression ratio for diesel is around 22 to 1. That is fairly high compared to the 8 to 1 or 9 to 1 a normal car has. If you take both hard starting and fuel issues then it adds up to poor cold starting. I will agree that most of it has to do with the fuel issue. So thanks for the clarification.
I am glad you are an engineer. Given that there are quite a few types of engineers, (mechanical, electrical, areo etc) that doesn't mean that much.
If you are a automotive mechanical engineer, then I will relay some info from the people who work on your stuff. (Like I use to).
Every engineer should have to fix and maintain what they produce. Some of the designs you guys come up with really suck bad. 1. Audi - Battery in the back seat. 2. Corvette 454 V8. Try and change the spark plugs 3. Most mini vans. 4. Most mid engine cars...
I could go on but I have been out of it for a long while.
Either way thanks for your correction, and you don't seem to disagree with most of the reasons Americans don't buy diesels. So in that we agree.
Oh and lastly, I will admit to when I was wrong (fuel issue with diesel), that is unlike NPR admitting it is just a extreme left wing orgainization:-)
Ok, first stop listening to NPR if you want accurate news:-)
It is correct that diesle cars are a little worse than a normal gas engine. To the best of my knowlege a diesle engine runs at a compression level much higher than a normal engine. A normal engine will fire a spark from a spark plug every other time the piston comes to the top. Engineers have worked hard on getting the spark plug to burn all the gas when it fires. Now a diesle engine... it doesn't have spark plugs. It uses the extra compression to burn the fuel. So does it burn all the fuel? Nope. So the next time the piston comes up to push all the exhaust out, it will push out some fuel. The issue is that "extra" compression. Extra compression makes it far harder to turn an engine over at startup. Significantly harder.... much much much much harder. Current gas cars have a hard time starting in cold weather....
So more specifically on why people in America don't like diesle cars. 1. Their noise sucks. They are loud, and they seem to sound like an old crappy car when running. 2. You can't buy diesel fuel in most places. Unlike europe, the U.S. just about has a gas station on every other corner. 90% or so of those don't have diesel. Right or wrong, people in America don't want that inconvienence for a little better gas milage. The second to last thing they want is to drive from station to station looking for one that sells diesel. The last thing they want is to run out of fuel in a bad neghborhood passing two stations that sell normal gas. 3. Cold weather. Yes I have heard that new disels can start in cold weather, but the history has been set. Too many people who bought diesels in the past, that couldn't start their car when it got below 30 degrees (about feezing), will never buy another one.
Lastly, before I get flamed by the diesle fans... I know about glow plugs:-) They are what you cuss out when it is 35 degrees and your car won't start.:-)
I have a friend who what a Civic Hybrid also, and he gets around 45MPH when being very easy on it.
What I find strange is that the guy in the article does almost all highway driving and he is getting 32MPG. Honda has been no help. That seems strange to me. I would think that they would just take the car, fill up the tank, and drive it around a while, then fill it up again and see if this guy is driving like you said. The other concern is what Consumer reports found. Specifically, they found that these cars get 60% of advertised milege.
I believe you, but I have not had the same experience as you. I live in a flat area (Indiana), that is around sea level. I have owned the following cars. 1. Ford Mustang GT 2. Eagle Tallon - Crap car, but another story. 3. Saturn 4. Nissan Altima 5. Jeep Wrangler 6. Volkswagon Passat AWD
Every single one of these cars has gotten the exact milage that was posted on the sticker. The Mustang actually could beat the sticker in some cases, but only by a 1MPG, and given that my foot was heavy, it didn't happen that often.:-)
Again, I don't disagree with you, but there could be a lot of factors in why you get 3MPG less.
Well the proof is in the article. It appears that the hybrid honda civic gets very little more gas milege than it's full gas counterpart.
Sorry but 31MPG on the highway and 26MPG in the city isn't that great. Heck if you add in the fact that the car cost over $3k more, it would take a LONG time to recoupe the cost. I would argue that you will never recoup the cost, because the added complexity if the car is going to cost you more in repairs after 5 years. Honda should do something about this.
Having said this, I hope someone comes up with a good alternative fuel to what we have now.
I have not tried the reader rabbit stuff, but I have tried some other childrens games and had almost no luck. Granted some of these games won't even play on win2k (95b, 98SE,xp is ok). I have tried codeweaver and transgaming (current member) and had little luck. I have even switched video cards (off of ATI to GF5900). It seems weird to me that somewhat complex games like Warcraft III work, but simple games like Bob the builder don't. Well I should say that they don't totally work, the sound seems to work with these games but not any video.
Either way, this forces me to keep a Windows hard drive around. That and Oracles inability to support anything buy RedHat ES and Windows. Thank goodness most of these types of games are going to flash and shockwave stuff, and hopefully some will start using java's webstart stuff.
We would disagree with NW4 and TCP/IP. They had NetWareIP, but they also had the ability to offer true IP like NetWare 5 with NetWare 4. They didn't. They also had samba back with NetWare 3 and 4, but they didn't push it. Also, I do not mean abandon IPX, but like Microsoft did with NetBeu they could not make it the default protocol. Also I will assume that NetWare 7 (SuSe 9 Enterprise?) will support IPX, it may not be Novell's blessed IPX, but there is IPX for Linux. It would be nice of Novell to perhaps take up the open source implementation of that IPX and work with it in their envirionment.
Yes, I ment NSS.:-)
We ran Groupwise 5.5ep before, and wanted to stay with it, but they didn't offer a version for Linux. Yes I agree that it has a lot of nice features, but so does qmail + squirrlemail + Apache. (No good scheduler though..) but you could look at http://www.opengroupware.org.
I could make some strong arguments that more applications use LDAP than eDirectory, and with openLdap you have no vendor lock in, and the management tools are getting better every day. Now if I was to make the argument for NDS, I would focus on replication, but having spent many nights with Novell's dsrepair.nlm, I am very very very scared to look at NDS on Linux. It seemed very fragil with NetWare 4 and 5. Specifically you would extend the schema and then suddenly stuff was broken, but you wouldn't know about it for a while. While nwadmin and console one were cool, the overhead and headaches with keeping NDS working was barely worth it for our somewhat large company. Now for some reasons those issues are not there with Ldap.
You and I would also disagree with UnixWare. If Novell would have started the migration off of NetWare to UnixWare (seemed insane at the time), then they would be in a far better position now to migrate to Linux.
There will be a lot of questions for Novell when it comes to open source (as with Oracle, IBM, etc). The question is what do you want to contribute to vs. what do you want to keep proprietary. With Oracle and IBM it is easy. They will NEVER open source their DBes. With Novell it is a bit harder.
Thanks again. You sound like a current Novell customer, and you are definately more up on modern NetWare than I am. Are you planning on switching to SuSe?
We were a Novell/Microsoft/Linux shop and last year switched off NetWare 5, Windows NT 4.x to an all Linux shop. So for us (small company), I wonder what value Novell could add. We do currently have two SuSe Enterprise 8 servers for AMD Opteron, that work well.
Novell has had a horrible past of switching directions. I could list multiple examples, but perhaps UnixWare and WordPerfect say it best. From what I have heard, there was a ton of issues between the people in Utah VS the people in California. The people in Cal wanted to dump IPX with NetWare 4, and wanted to migrate to their UnixWare stuff, but the boys in Utah saw life diffently, and they won.
I have also heard that the new management at Novell "Gets it". I hope and pray this is the case.
What I, and a lot of other Linux/Novell/SuSe fans don't want to see is Novell release a radically different version of Linux. Specifically one that most Linux people would go "Oh, you don't want to run Novell, they are way different". This file system thing is a perfect example. Your example of why they are doing it is perfectly acceptable, and it is cool if they have SuSe support it, but I would hope that it is not in their long term plans to replace ReiserFS or EXT2/3 with NFS. Unless of course they open source it, but even then you run the risk of being too different again.
This leads in to my next issue. I hope that when they integrate their NDS/eDirectory with Linux that they don't go replacing any normal files. I hope that they use PAM and layer their stuff on top of normal Linux stuff. Perhaps you know the answer to this one?
The last question I have for Novell is what value does your software (besides SuSe), provide me over open source alternatives, and how much does it cost me for it. Examples: Ldap vs eDirectory FreeEmail vs GroupWise
Also, what are they going to start to include in SuSe enterprice and how to they plan on changing any licence fees?
Now having said all this. I think Novell is moving in a great direction, and I do expect some time to flush out all the issues. It would just be nice to know what they plan to do with SuSe.
Again, I am a NetWare fan and hope that this works out great for them.
I hope that they show where they can add value with Linux and price their stuff so it makes sense for people. I am a little bit skeptical, but I have hope.
Thanks for adding this post. Comming from a NetWare background, I have kinda hated the Owner,Group,Other rights that Linux has. Yes I understand you can bolt on ACL's, but you still have the legacy OGO stuff to deal with. However, my concern is now the following: Will NSS be a "bolt" on also. If not then will it be closed source. I am concerned that they will not open source it, and if it is just a bolted on solution, then I have to ask them WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?!!! Don't be stupid and start trying to fork off your own proprietary stuff again with Linux. Next they will be creating their version of IPX for it:-(, and of course some 100MB client that replaces all the normal native stuff and slows your machine down to a crawl.
I just guess I am having trouble seeing why Novell would waste resources creating yet another file system for Linux. Wouldn't one of the MANY current file systems be acceptable? Couldn't they take one of those and add to it? Any ideas?
"...but i dont really want to pay for it, nor have i probably ever been a paying customer of yours. But my opinion should be important to you!"
Actually I am a RedHat ES customer. I have purchased every boxed version of Redhat since 6.2, and quite a few in the 5.x.
To this point I say "but I really don't want to pay 10X what I was paying for the same freaking product". Now 2x possibly
"You realise the RHEL SRPMs are available from redhat? You realise several other places have installable builds of what is essentially RHEL? Freely available, no support, RedHat enterprise distro."
Nope. Please let me know where I can get them. I did know that the source RPM's are out there, as they have to be to be GPL compliant. I am sure that kills redhat to do even that...
"Ah, so now we get to nub of the problem. So your problem with RedHat is that other companies don't yet support Fedora. Surely that will change in time as more people use Fedora? Fedora is what, barely 6 months old?."
I am fully aware of what Fedora is, and will become. It is no different to me that Gentoo. A good distro with no corporate support. No major vendor is going to support anything but RHEL for redhat stuff. They use to with 7.1, but they won't any more.
"I'm sure RedHat are regretting losing your business. Also, since when are SuSe's ISOs freely downloadable? I dont mean to be rude, but your comment is almost bordering on whinging."
Do you work for Redhat. I would think that in todays economy that you would not want to loose your long time customers. Again, I have purchased EVERY boxed set of Redhat since 6.2 and many before that. I paid the $$$$ for support of RedHat 7.1 ($1k per server), and didn't mind that.
Lets look at it this way.
I use to be able to get RedHat 7.1 and load it on as many machines as I wanted. I would then have to pay ~$60 a year for up2date. Then, I would have to pay $1,000 per server I wanted support on. So for us we used support for one year, until we had a solid environment, and then just used up2date.
Cost of RH 7.1 ~$60 Cost of up2date $60 per year. Total cost for three years of use. ~$220. If you wanted support you could get it.
Now lets look at the way it is.
RHEL $800 a server per year. Total cost for 3 years $2,400.
The cost has gone up around 10x even if you didn't want support. Also you had the freedom to load it on as many pc's as you wanted.
So am I bitching because RedHat increased it's price by over 10X in three years? Yep.
Do you work for Redhat or something?
Lastly, I don't want to give the impression that I am thrilled with SuSe's licencing either. However, for us it saved over $1,300 a server. We use dual Opteron boxes for some stuff and Redhat was VERY expensive for that. SuSe was $800/year. One of the core differences between SuSe and RedHat is that if I don't want to pay SuSe $800 next year, I still own the software. With Redhat I was informed by two different sales reps that I would no longer be legally allowed to run the software. Hense a lease...
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Another poster said it, but here is probably a summary of the reason.
They appeared to have switched off of Intel and Nvidia. They appear to be off of X86 completely, so they will have to spend some serious $$$$$ to do software emulation. Now they can try and emulate a X86 (P4 700mhz), but they probably can't do the Nvidia stuff without paying Nvidia for some of their patents. So they are kinda stuck.
Will this make a difference to the end users? Possibly...... what if they sold the new Xbox2 for $50? Then very few would care. If they sell it for say $400, then it will be an issue. However, it is my experience that there are many Microsoft lemmings out there, so they will sell some no matter what.
Ok, from a developer standpoint who cares if the Xbox outsold the PS2 for one month. If you want to develop for a console you can develop for the one that has 80+% of the the marketshare and then the PC. That would be the PS2 and the PC. Why would any company waist it's time with the Xbox? Heck there would be no way someone would start making an Xbox1 game now, with the Xbox2 as far along as you imply it is. Add to the insult is the fact that Microsoft appears to have changed the architecture in huge ways, so developing a top notch game on either is a major risk.
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The huge issue that Xbox needs to overcome is the fact that it is basically a PC. They are marketing to the same audience, and that audience likes to game more on their PC than on the Xbox. I know a lot of people with consoles, but few with just an Xbox and no higher end pc at home. So when company looks at developing a good game (Doom3), why waist time with any Xbox? Those owners are the same ones that will buy the PC version? Wouldn't you?
Now they can, and have dumped huge amounts of cash at this market, but that can't go on forever. Even Microsoft will have to pick and choose it's battles. Which ones will they pick?
Linux(Server)?
Linux(Client)?
Java?
OpenOffi
Palm?
Cell Phones?
Streaming Video?
Content Management?
Portals?
PS2/PS3 NGC?
Tivo?
Oracle, Postgress, MySQL?
Open Source in general?
Government funded/mandated GPL development?
AOL and other ISP's?
Tablet PC's????
Yes they can and will win a few of these, but all this must be done while protecting their cash cow of Office and Windows Server/Clients. Microsoft is starting to see major threats in those areas, and will need to focus a lot of attention ($$$$$) to protect them. This is exactly why they have ~$40 Billion in the bank. They are not stupid, and they know it will take enormous resources to keep their cash cow alive.
So yes they will throw money at the Xbox2 and hope to get a foot in the living rooms of the world, but, as it has been shown; when they can't leverage their OS they have serious problems in new markets.
My prediction is that they will produce the Xbox2, but look at adding a bunch of features in it to make it a Tivo + Xbox + webtv type of device. Heck I could even see DVD burning on it. However, I see this thing having to talk to their servers to work, using MSN of course... That way they have you locked in, and it prevents a lot of the hacks that are going on now.
My last prediciton is that it will fail, and their will be no Xbox3. There will be no tablet PC edition 2 or three either. However, an upside for Microsoft is that I do see them locking their clients in to their servers and apps, so they will be able to stem the migration to Linux for a long time.
Dude you have some serious hardware.
I envy you.
I agree with you for a server app, but if you want a bunch of little desktop apps like,
calculator
notepad
zip program
image viewer
network browser
etc....
All those open at the same time would be somewhat significant on a desktop machine.
IMHO both of these will be huge for Java on the desktop. The ability to hook in the OS will be nice and the ability to share some of the VM between apps will also be nice. My only concern is stability.
Yep Internet Explorer runs great, and is compatible with everything on the Mac.
Oh yeah it runs great on Linux and Solaris also.
Look at Microosft's past at supporing other operating systems. They will never support anything that will damage their cash cow of Windows and Office + Server.
Is what you propose going to be in .NET. If so then I would want to avoid it at all cost. Just imagine if one of those classes has a bug, and it crashes the VM. Now Microsoft wouldn't develop any buggy classes would they?
.Net will "clean Java's clock" when it runs well, and is supported on all the platforms Java runs well on today. That should be about the time hell freezes over.
Sun or anyone for that matter has to be very very careful on how they do this. IYour example "Eclipes", isn't a good true world test. How much memory does visual studio take up? IDE's have always been hogs. On some systems Outlook takes over 300MB to load. Getting the initial VM load off the system AND sharing some classes will be huge for most apps. Specifically things like a Java calculator, notepad, ping program, or other small programs.
Lastly, I will agree that C# and
Wow, it is hard to believe that one guy basically wrote open office, and now it takes tons of developers from sun to work with it. :-)
I agree that Sun dropping development of open office would be bad, but the great thing about open source (GPL in particular) is that it would NOT be dead. Now lets say that Word Perfect was chewing in to Microsoft's act, and they got bought. What would the end users do then? They would be hosed. Now at least with the source being open someone... IBM/Novell/Oracle/Google/HP could pick up the ball with little effort and work on it.
Oracle would absolutely take advantage of this. Any multi-threaded app would. Like say most of the mid-tier app servers. So in some cases it would be possible to have your database, app-server and web server on one box. Granted that box could be setup with different partitions, (similar to vmware in the low cost world, or perhaps user mode linux).
Speaking as a Palm user who went with a new Ipaq I can say STAY AWAY FROM POCKETPC. In case I wasn't clear, the pocketpc is a giant piece of crap for calander/task compared to the palm. Now can I watch movies on it? Yep. Can I do office stuff on it? Yep. But do I? Nope the screen is too small and the data input sucks. The core functionality of the device sucks. If you want to "upgrade" then you should look at some of the new phones. In my opinion Sony knows the non cell phone pda market is about dead and they are moving to smart phones. That and the PSP will be their product that fills in the gap of "standard" PDA stuff.
Latly, consider this a warning. Don't buy a a PocketPc!!!! Talk to the mass of people who bought one just to dump it within 6 months.
I would somewhat agree with you if I didn't keep seeing ceo salaries above 1000X what the normal American worker makes. Will the upper level managers ever take a pay cut to help a company? For every one example you could give, I could give 100 other that will never take a dime hit.
In my opinion this type of behavior will only produce workers who have a "look out for me" attitude. They will work only long and hard enough to keep their jobs. Come to think of it, this is almost exactly like the Indian culture. So those upper management types that screw their employees (I.T. specifically) will have it good now that the economy isn't good, but those same people will be the ones who will have employees leave at the drop of a hat and not think twice about leaving in the middle of a critical project, if it means furthering their career. Wow, the more I think about this, the more it seems EXACTLY like the Indian culture....
So the way I see it, the real problem is greed. The top people will never see their multi-million dollar salaries with golden parchutes go away, and they will do anything to protect that, even if it means hurting the company.
It is because the most of the servers over in China are not patched and when contacted to patch them they never respond.
You are correct about the fuel jelling, but to say that the higher compression has nothing to do with staring isn't correct. Yes they put larger starters and in some cases larger (more CC amp) or two batteries. Why? It is because the added compression makes it harder to start. I don't remember but I believe the compression ratio for diesel is around 22 to 1. That is fairly high compared to the 8 to 1 or 9 to 1 a normal car has. If you take both hard starting and fuel issues then it adds up to poor cold starting. I will agree that most of it has to do with the fuel issue. So thanks for the clarification.
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I am glad you are an engineer. Given that there are quite a few types of engineers, (mechanical, electrical, areo etc) that doesn't mean that much.
If you are a automotive mechanical engineer, then I will relay some info from the people who work on your stuff. (Like I use to).
Every engineer should have to fix and maintain what they produce. Some of the designs you guys come up with really suck bad.
1. Audi - Battery in the back seat.
2. Corvette 454 V8. Try and change the spark plugs
3. Most mini vans.
4. Most mid engine cars...
I could go on but I have been out of it for a long while.
Either way thanks for your correction, and you don't seem to disagree with most of the reasons Americans don't buy diesels. So in that we agree.
Oh and lastly, I will admit to when I was wrong (fuel issue with diesel), that is unlike NPR admitting it is just a extreme left wing orgainization
Thanks for the input. I have wondered about consumer reports for a long time, and don't trust them that well.
Ok, first stop listening to NPR if you want accurate news :-)
:-) They are what you cuss out when it is 35 degrees and your car won't start. :-)
It is correct that diesle cars are a little worse than a normal gas engine. To the best of my knowlege a diesle engine runs at a compression level much higher than a normal engine. A normal engine will fire a spark from a spark plug every other time the piston comes to the top. Engineers have worked hard on getting the spark plug to burn all the gas when it fires. Now a diesle engine... it doesn't have spark plugs. It uses the extra compression to burn the fuel. So does it burn all the fuel? Nope. So the next time the piston comes up to push all the exhaust out, it will push out some fuel. The issue is that "extra" compression. Extra compression makes it far harder to turn an engine over at startup. Significantly harder.... much much much much harder. Current gas cars have a hard time starting in cold weather....
So more specifically on why people in America don't like diesle cars.
1. Their noise sucks. They are loud, and they seem to sound like an old crappy car when running.
2. You can't buy diesel fuel in most places. Unlike europe, the U.S. just about has a gas station on every other corner. 90% or so of those don't have diesel. Right or wrong, people in America don't want that inconvienence for a little better gas milage. The second to last thing they want is to drive from station to station looking for one that sells diesel. The last thing they want is to run out of fuel in a bad neghborhood passing two stations that sell normal gas.
3. Cold weather. Yes I have heard that new disels can start in cold weather, but the history has been set. Too many people who bought diesels in the past, that couldn't start their car when it got below 30 degrees (about feezing), will never buy another one.
Lastly, before I get flamed by the diesle fans... I know about glow plugs
I have a friend who what a Civic Hybrid also, and he gets around 45MPH when being very easy on it.
What I find strange is that the guy in the article does almost all highway driving and he is getting 32MPG. Honda has been no help. That seems strange to me. I would think that they would just take the car, fill up the tank, and drive it around a while, then fill it up again and see if this guy is driving like you said. The other concern is what Consumer reports found. Specifically, they found that these cars get 60% of advertised milege.
I believe you, but I have not had the same experience as you. I live in a flat area (Indiana), that is around sea level. I have owned the following cars.
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1. Ford Mustang GT
2. Eagle Tallon - Crap car, but another story.
3. Saturn
4. Nissan Altima
5. Jeep Wrangler
6. Volkswagon Passat AWD
Every single one of these cars has gotten the exact milage that was posted on the sticker. The Mustang actually could beat the sticker in some cases, but only by a 1MPG, and given that my foot was heavy, it didn't happen that often.
Again, I don't disagree with you, but there could be a lot of factors in why you get 3MPG less.
Well the proof is in the article. It appears that the hybrid honda civic gets very little more gas milege than it's full gas counterpart.
Sorry but 31MPG on the highway and 26MPG in the city isn't that great. Heck if you add in the fact that the car cost over $3k more, it would take a LONG time to recoupe the cost. I would argue that you will never recoup the cost, because the added complexity if the car is going to cost you more in repairs after 5 years. Honda should do something about this.
Having said this, I hope someone comes up with a good alternative fuel to what we have now.
If I had mod points I would mod you up.
I have not tried the reader rabbit stuff, but I have tried some other childrens games and had almost no luck. Granted some of these games won't even play on win2k (95b, 98SE,xp is ok). I have tried codeweaver and transgaming (current member) and had little luck. I have even switched video cards (off of ATI to GF5900). It seems weird to me that somewhat complex games like Warcraft III work, but simple games like Bob the builder don't. Well I should say that they don't totally work, the sound seems to work with these games but not any video.
Either way, this forces me to keep a Windows hard drive around. That and Oracles inability to support anything buy RedHat ES and Windows. Thank goodness most of these types of games are going to flash and shockwave stuff, and hopefully some will start using java's webstart stuff.
Thank you. I am looking at it now. I hope it works for what I need. Specifically a way to install some Oracle crap.
Thank you again.
Yes they can release the source, but no ISO's or binaries. So "technically" you could build it. Good luck.
Thanks again for your reply.
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We would disagree with NW4 and TCP/IP. They had NetWareIP, but they also had the ability to offer true IP like NetWare 5 with NetWare 4. They didn't. They also had samba back with NetWare 3 and 4, but they didn't push it. Also, I do not mean abandon IPX, but like Microsoft did with NetBeu they could not make it the default protocol. Also I will assume that NetWare 7 (SuSe 9 Enterprise?) will support IPX, it may not be Novell's blessed IPX, but there is IPX for Linux. It would be nice of Novell to perhaps take up the open source implementation of that IPX and work with it in their envirionment.
Yes, I ment NSS.
We ran Groupwise 5.5ep before, and wanted to stay with it, but they didn't offer a version for Linux. Yes I agree that it has a lot of nice features, but so does qmail + squirrlemail + Apache. (No good scheduler though..) but you could look at http://www.opengroupware.org.
I could make some strong arguments that more applications use LDAP than eDirectory, and with openLdap you have no vendor lock in, and the management tools are getting better every day. Now if I was to make the argument for NDS, I would focus on replication, but having spent many nights with Novell's dsrepair.nlm, I am very very very scared to look at NDS on Linux. It seemed very fragil with NetWare 4 and 5. Specifically you would extend the schema and then suddenly stuff was broken, but you wouldn't know about it for a while. While nwadmin and console one were cool, the overhead and headaches with keeping NDS working was barely worth it for our somewhat large company. Now for some reasons those issues are not there with Ldap.
You and I would also disagree with UnixWare. If Novell would have started the migration off of NetWare to UnixWare (seemed insane at the time), then they would be in a far better position now to migrate to Linux.
There will be a lot of questions for Novell when it comes to open source (as with Oracle, IBM, etc). The question is what do you want to contribute to vs. what do you want to keep proprietary. With Oracle and IBM it is easy.
They will NEVER open source their DBes. With Novell it is a bit harder.
Thanks again. You sound like a current Novell customer, and you are definately more up on modern NetWare than I am. Are you planning on switching to SuSe?
We were a Novell/Microsoft/Linux shop and last year switched off NetWare 5, Windows NT 4.x to an all Linux shop. So for us (small company), I wonder what value Novell could add. We do currently have two SuSe Enterprise 8 servers for AMD Opteron, that work well.
Thanks for the info.
My point was and is this though:
Novell has had a horrible past of switching directions. I could list multiple examples, but perhaps UnixWare and WordPerfect say it best. From what I have heard, there was a ton of issues between the people in Utah VS the people in California. The people in Cal wanted to dump IPX with NetWare 4, and wanted to migrate to their UnixWare stuff, but the boys in Utah saw life diffently, and they won.
I have also heard that the new management at Novell "Gets it". I hope and pray this is the case.
What I, and a lot of other Linux/Novell/SuSe fans don't want to see is Novell release a radically different version of Linux. Specifically one that most Linux people would go "Oh, you don't want to run Novell, they are way different". This file system thing is a perfect example. Your example of why they are doing it is perfectly acceptable, and it is cool if they have SuSe support it, but I would hope that it is not in their long term plans to replace ReiserFS or EXT2/3 with NFS. Unless of course they open source it, but even then you run the risk of being too different again.
This leads in to my next issue. I hope that when they integrate their NDS/eDirectory with Linux that they don't go replacing any normal files. I hope that they use PAM and layer their stuff on top of normal Linux stuff. Perhaps you know the answer to this one?
The last question I have for Novell is what value does your software (besides SuSe), provide me over open source alternatives, and how much does it cost me for it. Examples:
Ldap vs eDirectory
FreeEmail vs GroupWise
Also, what are they going to start to include in SuSe enterprice and how to they plan on changing any licence fees?
Now having said all this. I think Novell is moving in a great direction, and I do expect some time to flush out all the issues. It would just be nice to know what they plan to do with SuSe.
No problem, and thank you.
Again, I am a NetWare fan and hope that this works out great for them.
I hope that they show where they can add value with Linux and price their stuff so it makes sense for people. I am a little bit skeptical, but I have hope.
Thanks for adding this post. Comming from a NetWare background, I have kinda hated the Owner,Group,Other rights that Linux has. Yes I understand you can bolt on ACL's, but you still have the legacy OGO stuff to deal with. However, my concern is now the following: Will NSS be a "bolt" on also. If not then will it be closed source. I am concerned that they will not open source it, and if it is just a bolted on solution, then I have to ask them WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?!!! Don't be stupid and start trying to fork off your own proprietary stuff again with Linux. Next they will be creating their version of IPX for it :-(, and of course some 100MB client that replaces all the normal native stuff and slows your machine down to a crawl.
I just guess I am having trouble seeing why Novell would waste resources creating yet another file system for Linux. Wouldn't one of the MANY current file systems be acceptable? Couldn't they take one of those and add to it? Any ideas?
Thanks.
"...but i dont really want to pay for it, nor have i probably ever been a paying customer of yours. But my opinion should be important to you!"
Actually I am a RedHat ES customer. I have purchased every boxed version of Redhat since 6.2, and quite a few in the 5.x.
To this point I say "but I really don't want to pay 10X what I was paying for the same freaking product". Now 2x possibly
"You realise the RHEL SRPMs are available from redhat? You realise several other places have installable builds of what is essentially RHEL? Freely available, no support, RedHat enterprise distro."
Nope. Please let me know where I can get them. I did know that the source RPM's are out there, as they have to be to be GPL compliant. I am sure that kills redhat to do even that...
"Ah, so now we get to nub of the problem. So your problem with RedHat is that other companies don't yet support Fedora. Surely that will change in time as more people use Fedora? Fedora is what, barely 6 months old?."
I am fully aware of what Fedora is, and will become. It is no different to me that Gentoo. A good distro with no corporate support. No major vendor is going to support anything but RHEL for redhat stuff. They use to with 7.1, but they won't any more.
"I'm sure RedHat are regretting losing your business. Also, since when are SuSe's ISOs freely downloadable? I dont mean to be rude, but your comment is almost bordering on whinging."
Do you work for Redhat. I would think that in todays economy that you would not want to loose your long time customers. Again, I have purchased EVERY boxed set of Redhat since 6.2 and many before that. I paid the $$$$ for support of RedHat 7.1 ($1k per server), and didn't mind that.
Lets look at it this way.
I use to be able to get RedHat 7.1 and load it on as many machines as I wanted. I would then have to pay ~$60 a year for up2date. Then, I would have to pay $1,000 per server I wanted support on. So for us we used support for one year, until we had a solid environment, and then just used up2date.
Cost of RH 7.1 ~$60
Cost of up2date $60 per year.
Total cost for three years of use. ~$220. If you wanted support you could get it.
Now lets look at the way it is.
RHEL $800 a server per year. Total cost for 3 years $2,400.
The cost has gone up around 10x even if you didn't want support. Also you had the freedom to load it on as many pc's as you wanted.
So am I bitching because RedHat increased it's price by over 10X in three years? Yep.
Do you work for Redhat or something?
Lastly, I don't want to give the impression that I am thrilled with SuSe's licencing either. However, for us it saved over $1,300 a server. We use dual Opteron boxes for some stuff and Redhat was VERY expensive for that. SuSe was $800/year. One of the core differences between SuSe and RedHat is that if I don't want to pay SuSe $800 next year, I still own the software. With Redhat I was informed by two different sales reps that I would no longer be legally allowed to run the software. Hense a lease...