So, you have signs in our FLGS telling *everybody* who you don't want to do business with? Or is it a surprise - a black guy tries to buy a game and you say "no thanks, go somewhere else." Or is it just queers who you think shouldn't be able to play games? In any event, own your bigotry. Put a giant sign in your window telling everybody what sort of bigotry you practice. Without that knowledge, you're wanting the invisible hand of the market to do its magic while simultaneously deceiving people by your lack of transparency. Which makes you a cheating, devious asshole.
Own your bigotry! Make sure all your customers know who they're doing business with. Tell all your customers you don't serve queers. That's the only way the rest of us know to avoid your hateful, misanthropic business.
First, you're not forced to do business with anyone. Don't want to bake wedding cakes for gays? Don't operate a bakery. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. To be a licensed business, a baker, you agree to be bound by certain rules. No rat shit in the chocolate, for example. You will be subject to inspections. But, according to your logic, you've lost the freedom to put rat shit in the chocolate. You're no longer free.
But let's ignore all that and actually think about your suggestion. You, as a bigoted Christian (or whatever), want to be allowed to refuse service to gays, blacks, paraplegics, whatever. And you're perfectly willing to let the market decide your future. But, for this to actually happen, you have to let all your customers know what you think. So, instead of just refusing to serve queers and niggers, to be transparent and allow the invisible hand of the market to work, you'll need to post signs that tell people that you don't serve fags and kikes. See, if you don't do that, I won't know that you're a horrible, shitty person and I could accidentally buy one of your cakes. Because, you see, I won't know any of this because you won't refuse me service. You *must* advertise that you're a homophobic racist before I'll know to avoid you.
So, if you *really* support this lame-brained idea of yours, your misguided concept of freedom in polite society, we'll have to take away your freedom not to advertise that you're not willing to participate in polite society. Own it - put up a big fucking sign in your window that says you're a homophobic xenophobe. That way we can all really see who and what the market will support. Don't hide from us - own your narrowmindedness!
I agree completely. I think when Kruschev pounded his shoe on the podium at the United Nations and thundered "We will bury you!" he was talking about burying us in peace, love and understanding.
First, he didn't say this when he pounded his shoe on the podium at the UN in 1960, he said it in Moscow in 1956 when addressing Western ambassadors. Second, you've got to be careful when translating idiomatic expresssions. The expression he used was more like "We'll attend your funeral" than "We'll cause your funeral". In context, he was bragging about the superior economic strength of the Soviet system, rather than it's superior military strength.
Note also that one should be careful when using idiomatic expressions in front of audiences who don't speak your language, and you should be careful not to overly exagerate your economic or military strength.
Why the hell anyone *wants* to hear a jazz concert in a little tiny club at earsplitting volume is another question. I can only assume it's because we've all burned out our hearing elsewhere.
Next time you find yourself in that situation, ask the sound guy to turn down the drums. Think about it.
I would consider $5 to actually be a LOW estimate of the cost for bandwidth assuming you take the oppertunity cost into account. Currently, downloading a movie at full bandwidth on my connection takes ~1 hour for astandard 800Mb xvid/divx dvd rip. During that time my connection is basically clogged up, I cant downlaod anything else at a resonable speed, and If I wanted to completly max out the movie download speed, even simply browsing the web slows to a crawl. Take into account the fact that I value my time at much more than $5 an hour waiting around for a movie to finish downloading doesnt seem worth while unless its substantially cheaper than buying the dvd from blockbusters stack of cheap pre-viewed movies.
What do you consider your time to be worth when you're sleeping? Or when you're not at the computer? I know this is slashdot, but even the geekiest nerd here must sleep sometime. Why not just schedule the downloads for when you're asleep?
Heck, I bet there are even some other folks around here who are like me, and have jobs outside the home and thus have computers that they're not using to browse the web for upwards of 16 hours a day. If it only takes you an hour to d/l that xvid, that would be about 5 hours to get the dvd. Downloading when you're at work or asleep should enable you to get more than a dozen DVDs a week without interfering with your web browsing!
I'm amazed at the prices I'm seeing in this thread. I live in the Phoenix area. My wife and I get tickets, popcorn, and drinks for $13. For the two of us, not each. Every year we buy a t-shirt for $20. That gets us free popcorn at every visit. We also buy the souvenir drink cups once each year. They cost the same as a large drink and can be refilled all year for a buck a refill. We buy a 50-pack of tickets for $275, but those tickets aren't good for "special engagements" which is basically any movie in the first week it's out.
So, 2 tickets @ $5.50 each, free popcorn, 2 large drinks @ $1 each, total $13. Okay, I need to spread that initial $27 investment out over the number of times we go for the year, but if we go once every 2 weeks that adds about a buck a throw.
If I had to pay the prices I'm seeing here, I'd quit going to the theater too.
No, you and everyone else trotting this out are wrong.
Perhaps you're misunderestimating everyone else trotting this out. When somebody says we're becoming the kind of state we used to call the "Evil Empire", they generally don't mean we've already arrived there.
But I'm glad you've cleared it up for me. I'm happy that I live in a country that detains thousands of people without trials, tortures many of them, kills some of them, invades other nations because we don't like their political leaders, and demands its citizens present ID when travelling within our borders. Just so long as they're only asking for my ID because of a "petty mistrust of the citizenry" and not something more devious.
I won't worry about it any more. I'll not let it bother me when I get stopped in my car on my way from Phoenix to Las Vegas to be asked where I'm going, where I'm coming from, that sort of thing. It's just the border patrol, right? I'm quite happy they're checking my car for illegal aliens 300 miles from the nearest border (unless you count the border between Arizona and Nevada).
But I can't help but notice the biggest difference I see between the USA today and the Soviet Union when I travelled there in the mid-70's is that Soviet citizens were safe from crime and we're not. Maybe the crime will go away when we finish our trip to becoming a police state.
*Does* AKMA have a library card? We don't know. I presume that any literate citizen would have one, but the article doesn't say.
If you'd read his blog you'd know. I suppose he could be lying, but he says he has a library card. Interestingly, he doesn't even live on Nantucket and he has a card for their library.
as compared to Bushes non-lie in the state of the union
Bush is playing the same game Clinton played. It's just that you agree with one and disagree with the other. The venom spewed in both cases is the same. It's ironic that in one case it was over an act that caused nobody any harm and the other has resulted in thousands of deaths, but no big deal.
If you feel you weren't lied to by Bush and his administration that's okay for you. But you're only fooling yourself. Go back and read some of his speeches from as far back as October of last year. Go back and read Powell's address to the UN. I'll even concede that the phrase "imminent threat" was not used, but you can't honestly say that words with the same meaning weren't. You're taking the same tact that Clinton did when he argued the meaning of "sexual relations."
The Bush administration lied repeatedly about Iraq. They lied for months. But it's okay for you because it was just in speeches and not under oath.
I'll say it again - I've see a lot of people complaining on both sides, but I've never seen the kind of blind rage those on the "angry left" have shown in the past year.
I'll say it again -- you weren't paying attention 1992-2000.
If you are a small company I think even $1000 is too much. Don't forget to reinvest. Give them $500 or something like that - they will love it.
I'm curious how you were able to determine how much is too much. Has he shared his financials with you? I once worked for a small company (8 employees) and received about $2500 per quarter in bonuses. You might think that's too much. But you don't have any basis to judge.
Censorship, the limited filtering of material based on the maturity, capacity, and understanding of a given audience, is not only beneficial, it is *necessary* for the healthy growth and development of our youth.
Censorship, in the context of this discussion, is what the government imposes on all of us, not what we impose on our children. This is a huge distinction.
Just as some people are willing to give up my rights to fight terrorism, others are willing to give up my rights to protect children from pornography.
We seem to live increasingly in an age where people are unwilling (or unable?) to take responsibility where they should -- for their own actions, for the rearing of their children. Just as it is wrong for you to expect the schools to provide 100% of your child's education, it is wrong for you to expect the government to protect your child 100% from "inappropriate" material.
IMO, it is wrong for the government to tell me what is "inappropriate" for my child to see. That's my job, and I think I'm much better suited for it than they are.
The way to respond to the demise of the commercial CD is not to sue Internet-users. It is to figure out new ways to make money on music. Maybe concert ticket prices will have to rise.
Hey, that's a good idea. Steely Dan was just in town a couple weeks ago, and it only cost about $120 a seat. (Sure, you could opt for the cheap seats at $60 each, but who would do that?) Oh, and t-shirts were $35 each. I didn't check, but I'd guess the beers were at least $5 each. Park the car, grab a meal before the show, pay for the ticket, buy a shirt and a beer, and you're out the door for about $200.
Yup, raising concert ticket prices sounds good to me!
And how did they come in posession of that "ilegally occupied" territory? Through the wars in 1967 and 1973, right? And who started those wars? Oops...
Your recollection is a bit off. The Israelis took possession of West Bank, the Gaza Strip and the Sanai peninsula in the Six Day War of 1967. None of it was obtained in 1973. And the Israelis started the Six Day War. Is that why you said "Oops?"
Then you won't mind your medical records becoming public information? It's being done right now. Minnesota (and elsewhere) wants to make all medical information available in a statewide database.
What's this fascination with coddling dangerous criminals? We can't see what goes on in jails, but as soon as I step outside my home, it's possible for anyone to watch my every move?
I guess it fits since they get cable and other amenities that a college student can only wish for (or steal).
The cable TV in my county's jail only shows one channel: the Weather Channel. They get two square meals a day, usually green bologna sandwiches. They get to wear pink underwear and those fancy striped overalls that say "inmate" on the back. And many of them live in tents in the desert.
And your college is so bad you dream of having these amenities? Where do you go to school? I wouldn't want to send my kid there!
It's just one of those social mores things. My favorite example is "shit" vs "poop". Both are words for the same thing, but it's perfectly okay for a 4 year old to say "poop" but if he says "shit" it's bad.
My son is 7 now. He doesn't say "poop" and his mother won't like it if he says "shit", but he has found out it's okay for him to say "crap."
This kind of reasoning always drives me crazy. Wal*Mart never put any mom and pop shop out of business. Barnes & Noble never put any mom and pop shop out of business.
The *customers* put mom and pop shops out of business. If you want to support the small retailer nobody is stopping you.
It cracks me up when I hear NIMBYs protesting against the newest Wal*Mart... "Oh, Wal*Mart is evil, just putting one up in a neighborhood causes crime!" and so on. Then, when the store is built, gee, the parking lot is always full. This can mean only one thing: a great majority of people against the store actually support it!
The reason mom and pop record stores and book stores and hardware stores (etc) go out of business is because the customers would rather save a buck than support their neighbors.
Personally, I prefer to shop at a store with great selection where the owners know my name than at some faceless, cheap, top-40 rack. I vote with my wallet. You should too, if that's how you really feel. But it's easier to whine about big box stores, I guess.
The problem is that the producers of this content are not interested in the marginal revenue that could be generated by producing edited versions of their creations.
Bzzzzt. Wrong answer. Producers of "this content" do make edited versions of their creations, in almost all cases. The version you see on an airplane wasn't changed by the airline, it was by the studio. The version TV wasn't edited by the TV station, they simply broadcast the "clean" version provided by the studio.
Anybody paying any attention to movies will see hundreds of examples of alternate takes. The "original" may have a character wearing no pants, while the "clean" version shows him with pants. They regularly record dialog two different ways during production to have a "clean" version for broadcast. Heck, I even hear slashdotters complaining about the "clean" version showing up at Blockbuster.
Why didn't I think of this. Instead of letting my son watch the Cartoon Network, or a tape of "There Goes a Bulldozer", I'll pop in a copy of "Saving Private Ryan". Of course, it would be wrong of me as a parent to leave the gore in there. It will be a much better movie if I show D-Day without the gore. Wouldn't want him to get the idea that killing is messy, would we?
Unfortunately, a lot of artists believe their work is sacred and rail against any editing by us "unwashed masses".
So I'm assuming you'd have no problem with me taking your post and editting it to fit my needs, then passing it on to other people with your name still attached. Let's give it a try:
A message by Saint Fnordius:
The point is, the service privided is unwanted.
There. I just took out a few of the nasty things to make your message more palatable to me. It didn't change your vision or message at all.
So, you have signs in our FLGS telling *everybody* who you don't want to do business with? Or is it a surprise - a black guy tries to buy a game and you say "no thanks, go somewhere else." Or is it just queers who you think shouldn't be able to play games? In any event, own your bigotry. Put a giant sign in your window telling everybody what sort of bigotry you practice. Without that knowledge, you're wanting the invisible hand of the market to do its magic while simultaneously deceiving people by your lack of transparency. Which makes you a cheating, devious asshole.
Own your bigotry! Make sure all your customers know who they're doing business with. Tell all your customers you don't serve queers. That's the only way the rest of us know to avoid your hateful, misanthropic business.
First, you're not forced to do business with anyone. Don't want to bake wedding cakes for gays? Don't operate a bakery. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. To be a licensed business, a baker, you agree to be bound by certain rules. No rat shit in the chocolate, for example. You will be subject to inspections. But, according to your logic, you've lost the freedom to put rat shit in the chocolate. You're no longer free.
But let's ignore all that and actually think about your suggestion. You, as a bigoted Christian (or whatever), want to be allowed to refuse service to gays, blacks, paraplegics, whatever. And you're perfectly willing to let the market decide your future. But, for this to actually happen, you have to let all your customers know what you think. So, instead of just refusing to serve queers and niggers, to be transparent and allow the invisible hand of the market to work, you'll need to post signs that tell people that you don't serve fags and kikes. See, if you don't do that, I won't know that you're a horrible, shitty person and I could accidentally buy one of your cakes. Because, you see, I won't know any of this because you won't refuse me service. You *must* advertise that you're a homophobic racist before I'll know to avoid you.
So, if you *really* support this lame-brained idea of yours, your misguided concept of freedom in polite society, we'll have to take away your freedom not to advertise that you're not willing to participate in polite society. Own it - put up a big fucking sign in your window that says you're a homophobic xenophobe. That way we can all really see who and what the market will support. Don't hide from us - own your narrowmindedness!
If we discontinue all industry and revert to barbarism then we definitely cause the collapse of civilization.
Because, obviously, there are no other possibilities. It's either burn hydrocarbons or freeze in the dark.
I agree completely. I think when Kruschev pounded his shoe on the podium at the United Nations and thundered "We will bury you!" he was talking about burying us in peace, love and understanding.
First, he didn't say this when he pounded his shoe on the podium at the UN in 1960, he said it in Moscow in 1956 when addressing Western ambassadors. Second, you've got to be careful when translating idiomatic expresssions. The expression he used was more like "We'll attend your funeral" than "We'll cause your funeral". In context, he was bragging about the superior economic strength of the Soviet system, rather than it's superior military strength.
Note also that one should be careful when using idiomatic expressions in front of audiences who don't speak your language, and you should be careful not to overly exagerate your economic or military strength.
Igor
At least one title in that USA-PATRIOT act was written by John Kerry, and he contributed to others
p osts
Silly me, I thought John Yoo wrote the act.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1615418/
Why the hell anyone *wants* to hear a jazz concert in a little tiny club at earsplitting volume is another question. I can only assume it's because we've all burned out our hearing elsewhere.
Next time you find yourself in that situation, ask the sound guy to turn down the drums. Think about it.
Igor
I would consider $5 to actually be a LOW estimate of the cost for bandwidth assuming you take the oppertunity cost into account. Currently, downloading a movie at full bandwidth on my connection takes ~1 hour for astandard 800Mb xvid/divx dvd rip. During that time my connection is basically clogged up, I cant downlaod anything else at a resonable speed, and If I wanted to completly max out the movie download speed, even simply browsing the web slows to a crawl. Take into account the fact that I value my time at much more than $5 an hour waiting around for a movie to finish downloading doesnt seem worth while unless its substantially cheaper than buying the dvd from blockbusters stack of cheap pre-viewed movies.
What do you consider your time to be worth when you're sleeping? Or when you're not at the computer? I know this is slashdot, but even the geekiest nerd here must sleep sometime. Why not just schedule the downloads for when you're asleep?
Heck, I bet there are even some other folks around here who are like me, and have jobs outside the home and thus have computers that they're not using to browse the web for upwards of 16 hours a day. If it only takes you an hour to d/l that xvid, that would be about 5 hours to get the dvd. Downloading when you're at work or asleep should enable you to get more than a dozen DVDs a week without interfering with your web browsing!
Igor
I'm amazed at the prices I'm seeing in this thread. I live in the Phoenix area. My wife and I get tickets, popcorn, and drinks for $13. For the two of us, not each. Every year we buy a t-shirt for $20. That gets us free popcorn at every visit. We also buy the souvenir drink cups once each year. They cost the same as a large drink and can be refilled all year for a buck a refill. We buy a 50-pack of tickets for $275, but those tickets aren't good for "special engagements" which is basically any movie in the first week it's out.
So, 2 tickets @ $5.50 each, free popcorn, 2 large drinks @ $1 each, total $13. Okay, I need to spread that initial $27 investment out over the number of times we go for the year, but if we go once every 2 weeks that adds about a buck a throw.
If I had to pay the prices I'm seeing here, I'd quit going to the theater too.
Igor
No, you and everyone else trotting this out are wrong.
Perhaps you're misunderestimating everyone else trotting this out. When somebody says we're becoming the kind of state we used to call the "Evil Empire", they generally don't mean we've already arrived there.
But I'm glad you've cleared it up for me. I'm happy that I live in a country that detains thousands of people without trials, tortures many of them, kills some of them, invades other nations because we don't like their political leaders, and demands its citizens present ID when travelling within our borders. Just so long as they're only asking for my ID because of a "petty mistrust of the citizenry" and not something more devious.
I won't worry about it any more. I'll not let it bother me when I get stopped in my car on my way from Phoenix to Las Vegas to be asked where I'm going, where I'm coming from, that sort of thing. It's just the border patrol, right? I'm quite happy they're checking my car for illegal aliens 300 miles from the nearest border (unless you count the border between Arizona and Nevada).
But I can't help but notice the biggest difference I see between the USA today and the Soviet Union when I travelled there in the mid-70's is that Soviet citizens were safe from crime and we're not. Maybe the crime will go away when we finish our trip to becoming a police state.
Igor
*Does* AKMA have a library card? We don't know. I presume that any literate citizen would have one, but the article doesn't say.
If you'd read his blog you'd know. I suppose he could be lying, but he says he has a library card. Interestingly, he doesn't even live on Nantucket and he has a card for their library.
Igor
as compared to Bushes non-lie in the state of the union
Bush is playing the same game Clinton played. It's just that you agree with one and disagree with the other. The venom spewed in both cases is the same. It's ironic that in one case it was over an act that caused nobody any harm and the other has resulted in thousands of deaths, but no big deal.
If you feel you weren't lied to by Bush and his administration that's okay for you. But you're only fooling yourself. Go back and read some of his speeches from as far back as October of last year. Go back and read Powell's address to the UN. I'll even concede that the phrase "imminent threat" was not used, but you can't honestly say that words with the same meaning weren't. You're taking the same tact that Clinton did when he argued the meaning of "sexual relations."
The Bush administration lied repeatedly about Iraq. They lied for months. But it's okay for you because it was just in speeches and not under oath.
I'll say it again - I've see a lot of people complaining on both sides, but I've never seen the kind of blind rage those on the "angry left" have shown in the past year.
I'll say it again -- you weren't paying attention 1992-2000.
Igor
I know it goes both ways, but I've never seen such extremism as I've seen coming from the left.
Then you weren't paying attention 1992-2000.
Igor
If you are a small company I think even $1000 is too much. Don't forget to reinvest. Give them $500 or something like that - they will love it.
I'm curious how you were able to determine how much is too much. Has he shared his financials with you? I once worked for a small company (8 employees) and received about $2500 per quarter in bonuses. You might think that's too much. But you don't have any basis to judge.
Igor
Censorship, the limited filtering of material based on the maturity, capacity, and understanding of a given audience, is not only beneficial, it is *necessary* for the healthy growth and development of our youth.
Censorship, in the context of this discussion, is what the government imposes on all of us, not what we impose on our children. This is a huge distinction.
Just as some people are willing to give up my rights to fight terrorism, others are willing to give up my rights to protect children from pornography.
We seem to live increasingly in an age where people are unwilling (or unable?) to take responsibility where they should -- for their own actions, for the rearing of their children. Just as it is wrong for you to expect the schools to provide 100% of your child's education, it is wrong for you to expect the government to protect your child 100% from "inappropriate" material.
IMO, it is wrong for the government to tell me what is "inappropriate" for my child to see. That's my job, and I think I'm much better suited for it than they are.
Igor
A suggestion from the article:
The way to respond to the demise of the commercial CD is not to sue Internet-users. It is to figure out new ways to make money on music. Maybe concert ticket prices will have to rise.
Hey, that's a good idea. Steely Dan was just in town a couple weeks ago, and it only cost about $120 a seat. (Sure, you could opt for the cheap seats at $60 each, but who would do that?) Oh, and t-shirts were $35 each. I didn't check, but I'd guess the beers were at least $5 each. Park the car, grab a meal before the show, pay for the ticket, buy a shirt and a beer, and you're out the door for about $200.
Yup, raising concert ticket prices sounds good to me!
Igor
And how did they come in posession of that "ilegally occupied" territory? Through the wars in 1967 and 1973, right? And who started those wars? Oops...
Your recollection is a bit off. The Israelis took possession of West Bank, the Gaza Strip and the Sanai peninsula in the Six Day War of 1967. None of it was obtained in 1973. And the Israelis started the Six Day War. Is that why you said "Oops?"
Igor
Then you won't mind your medical records becoming public information? It's being done right now. Minnesota (and elsewhere) wants to make all medical information available in a statewide database.
Hmmmm. Wouldn't that be in violation of HIPAA?
Igor
You're also right, that most people download to avoid paying. But why? Could it have something to do with the fact that CDs are incredibly overpriced?
I think Corvettes are incredibly overpriced. I guess I should just steal one. Thanks for the enlightenment!
Igor
What's this fascination with coddling dangerous criminals? We can't see what goes on in jails, but as soon as I step outside my home, it's possible for anyone to watch my every move?
I guess it fits since they get cable and other amenities that a college student can only wish for (or steal).
The cable TV in my county's jail only shows one channel: the Weather Channel. They get two square meals a day, usually green bologna sandwiches. They get to wear pink underwear and those fancy striped overalls that say "inmate" on the back. And many of them live in tents in the desert.
And your college is so bad you dream of having these amenities? Where do you go to school? I wouldn't want to send my kid there!
Igor
It's just one of those social mores things. My favorite example is "shit" vs "poop". Both are words for the same thing, but it's perfectly okay for a 4 year old to say "poop" but if he says "shit" it's bad.
My son is 7 now. He doesn't say "poop" and his mother won't like it if he says "shit", but he has found out it's okay for him to say "crap."
It's all a bunch of guano if you ask me.
Igor
But if there was a power-outage how would you keep your beers cold?
Silly question. You don't keep them cold, you drink them.
Igor
This kind of reasoning always drives me crazy. Wal*Mart never put any mom and pop shop out of business. Barnes & Noble never put any mom and pop shop out of business.
The *customers* put mom and pop shops out of business. If you want to support the small retailer nobody is stopping you.
It cracks me up when I hear NIMBYs protesting against the newest Wal*Mart... "Oh, Wal*Mart is evil, just putting one up in a neighborhood causes crime!" and so on. Then, when the store is built, gee, the parking lot is always full. This can mean only one thing: a great majority of people against the store actually support it!
The reason mom and pop record stores and book stores and hardware stores (etc) go out of business is because the customers would rather save a buck than support their neighbors.
Personally, I prefer to shop at a store with great selection where the owners know my name than at some faceless, cheap, top-40 rack. I vote with my wallet. You should too, if that's how you really feel. But it's easier to whine about big box stores, I guess.
Igor
The problem is that the producers of this content are not interested in the marginal revenue that could be generated by producing edited versions of their creations.
Bzzzzt. Wrong answer. Producers of "this content" do make edited versions of their creations, in almost all cases. The version you see on an airplane wasn't changed by the airline, it was by the studio. The version TV wasn't edited by the TV station, they simply broadcast the "clean" version provided by the studio.
Anybody paying any attention to movies will see hundreds of examples of alternate takes. The "original" may have a character wearing no pants, while the "clean" version shows him with pants. They regularly record dialog two different ways during production to have a "clean" version for broadcast. Heck, I even hear slashdotters complaining about the "clean" version showing up at Blockbuster.
Igor
Why didn't I think of this. Instead of letting my son watch the Cartoon Network, or a tape of "There Goes a Bulldozer", I'll pop in a copy of "Saving Private Ryan". Of course, it would be wrong of me as a parent to leave the gore in there. It will be a much better movie if I show D-Day without the gore. Wouldn't want him to get the idea that killing is messy, would we?
Igor
So I'm assuming you'd have no problem with me taking your post and editting it to fit my needs, then passing it on to other people with your name still attached. Let's give it a try:
There. I just took out a few of the nasty things to make your message more palatable to me. It didn't change your vision or message at all.
Igor