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Camera Watch: Links to Public Webcams

Mikkeles writes "From an Associated Press story: 'It sounds like a chapter out of "Spy vs. Spy": Researchers at Carnegie Mellon University have launched a project called Camera Watch that lists Internet cameras that monitor public spaces, letting Web surfers try the role of bored security guard.' The site permits searching for an available webcam in the geographical region (US) of your choice. About 600 webcams of 6000 in the pipe are now available."

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  1. Slashdotted - here's the text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Webcams let surfers play security guard
    Associated Press

    NEW YORK -- It sounds like a chapter out of "Spy vs. Spy": Researchers at Carnegie Mellon University have launched a project called Camera Watch that lists Internet cameras that monitor public spaces, letting Web surfers try the role of bored security guard.

    The project is part of "Surveillance of Surveillances," an effort by the school's Data Privacy Lab to monitor the exploding number of cameras watching the public. The group hopes to learn enough to propose policies to govern the cameras' use.

    The lab is in the process of posting links to 6,000 of the estimated 10,000 public Web cams in the United States.

    The site includes everything from gray stills of traffic in Rockville, Md., to video of students meandering across a campus in Washington D.C. and even lenses peeping on jail buttfuckings in Tennessee and Louisiana.

    The site -- http://privacy.cs.cmu.edu/dataprivacy/projects/cam watch -- notes that a few of the "jail cams" had been disabled due to lawsuits

    1. Re:Slashdotted - here's the text by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Better to have everyone watching than to have the shadowy few watching... we might even feel better about ourselves and be a little easier on each other once we find out everyone else is just as fucked up as we are.

      This is what TIA and Carnivore should be, if they are to be allowed to exist at all...

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    2. Re:Slashdotted - here's the text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "and even lenses peeping on jail buttfuckings in Tennessee and Louisiana"

      Obvious troll. Mods: Read text carefully!

    3. Re:Slashdotted - here's the text by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      you put it in one and do an ln -s to the other. Duh!

    4. Re:Slashdotted - here's the text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that doesn't work. What happens when I delete a file that a link was pointing to? What if I decide to rename a file? Symlinks are a hack in this kind of situation.

    5. Re:Slashdotted - here's the text by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      you can always put the file in a central directory, and have only symlinks to it from your directories (sort of like a virtual file system - you NEVER link directly to the original file :-).

      for example:
      repository/
      +--file1.mpg
      +==file2.mpg;
      .\--file3.html

      movies/
      +--ibm_ad -> repository/file1.mpg
      +--t3 -> repository/file2.mpg

      ibm/
      +--linux_ad -> repository/file1.mpg
      \--sco_vs_ibm -> repository/file3.html

      If you later want to rename the original file, just rename it, and make a new symlink in repository/ pointing to it. The symlinks don't break.

      for example, I rename repository/file2.mpg to terminator3.mpg
      mv file2,mpg terminator3.mpg
      ln -s terminator3.mpg file2.mpg

      Sure, it's a hack, but one that lets you use the filesystem as a data/file repository. You could even make a simple app asking you, when you upload your file to your repository, which trees you'd like to graft it onto.

      sorry for the crappy ascii art :-)

    6. Re:Slashdotted - here's the text by __aannpi2461 · · Score: 1

      This puts in me in mind of a couple of novels:

      David Brin - Earth

      and

      Bruce Sterling - Islands in the Net

      Couple of neat stories with ubiquitous cameras as part of the social dynamic. Sick of being watched? Check out iSee.

  2. a great congestion reduction tool by civilengineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if we have a lot of these at movie theaters, airport queues, and wherever else there might be congestion, people can adjust their travel behavior accordingly.

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    1. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Politburo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the surface, yes. But your nick says "civil engineer". Surely you are familiar with the concept of peak period demand.

      For most infrastructure that we build, it goes unused for much of the time. There is a small percentage of time where the infrastructure is pushed to the limits. For transportation, this is rush hour, for power grids, it's hot summer days, for movie theatres, it's premiere night, etc.

      Usually, it is extremely difficult to abate peak period effects. They do not exist because that is when everyone "wants" to go somewhere or do something, they exist because that is the only time most people can use, or need to use, the resource in question. Most employers frown if you come in at 6 am, or 11 am, and if you leave at 3 pm, or 8 pm. You don't need a ton of juice to power your A/C when it's nighttime.

    2. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by EZmagz · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Interesting you should say that. The Minnesota Dept. Of Transportation (MnDOT) has links to all of their cameras on the highway over here...
      For me at least, since I get the pleasure of driving across the metro everyday going to and from work, it can be a godsend. There's a saying around here that's pretty fitting: There's two seasons in MN...winter, and road construction. It's definitely convenient to be able to check from my laptop here at work and see what the roads are like before I head home and fight the other 9 million bad drivers.

      Of course it's not foolproof, as they'll always be accidents that aren't on camera. If nothing else though, it makes for fun viewing when you're bored out of your mind on a Friday afternoon.

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    3. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by smadnessness · · Score: 1

      That's a good way to bring down the camera network... post a few in a movie theater. See how long it takes for Miramax and others to sue them for copyright infringement. And, if there's audio, then the RIAA can sue them for broadcasting the ambient radio sounds coming from a passing motorists' car stereo... rock on

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    4. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by pmz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      wherever else there might be congestion, people can adjust their travel behavior accordingly.

      Agreed. However, a camera need not have 1600x1200 resolution or whatever for this purpose. A TV-quality camera (at best) would be sufficient to discern that cars are bumper to bumper on the highway.

    5. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by hardcnxn · · Score: 1

      if we have a lot of these at movie theaters

      Then I could have GOOD popcorn while I watched flicks.

    6. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by phutureboy · · Score: 1

      For most infrastructure that we build, it goes unused for much of the time. There is a small percentage of time where the infrastructure is pushed to the limits.

      That brings up something which has been bugging me for a while.

      Whose idea was it that everyone should go to work at the exact same time, eat lunch at the exact same time, and come home at the exact same time? Doesn't anyone ever get tired of being stuck in snarling traffic jams?

      For a while I worked a job in DC which required a 70-mile commute. At night I could make the trip in 55 minutes, due to the light traffic. By day, it took up to 4 hours to get there. (Needless to say, I did not keep the job very long)

    7. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by tuba_dude · · Score: 1

      There's something similar going on in and around Denver. As this gargantuan construction project lumbers on, they've been installing cameras and other monitoring gadgets throughout the area. As of right now, not much is completed, but what is done can be seen and monitored from www.trexproject.com.

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      "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
    8. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Politburo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Management, of course.

      The thing is, a lot of business that goes on requires the services of another business. If I show up to work at 6 am, and a colleague at another company, or even a coworker, shows up at 11 am, that is 5 hours of my work day where I do not have access to their knowledge and/or decision making power. Likewise, if I leave at 3 pm, there may be workers who work later who then are shut out from me. By attempting to have everyone in and out at around the same time, you maximize the time that everyone is in the office together, theoretically maximizing the productivity of your office.

    9. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Jorah · · Score: 1

      >For most infrastructure that we build, it goes > unused for much of the time. There is a small >percentage of time where the infrastructure is >pushed to the limits. Hmmm. Have you ever driven in Boston? The "down time" is a small portion of the day, I'd guess around 4 hours, the other 20 is close to gridlock. (unless things have improved in the last 5 years?)

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    10. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by AJWM · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually that Denver area system goes back to a CDOT initiative five or six years ago. Traffic speed sensors in the highways will trip an alarm if the average speed goes out of range (adjustable to allow for known factors) and a traffic engineer can bring up a view on one of the nearby cameras. There are a bunch of other inputs (including weather sensors, etc) and outputs (the changeable text signs over some of the highways, low power AM broadcast systems near the Eisenhower Tunnel, Vail Pass, etc...).

      I worked on some of the overall software design and some of the implementation back in '98.

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      -- Alastair
    11. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Politburo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Off the top of my head, I would say your claims are greatly exaggerated. For the record, I live in the NY/NJ Metro Area, and while we do rank lower on traffic studies due to having perhaps the best region-wide transit systems in the nation, there is still plenty of traffic to go around. The PM peak period in this area is approximately 3:30 pm - 7:30 pm.

    12. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by gmenhorn · · Score: 2, Informative

      We've had traffic cameras in Atlanta for a couple years now. Comes in handy once in a while for deciding the best route from/to work: Traffic Cams. The link was ./ed so hopefully this isn't already mentioned, but I would like to see some type of geographic view of the cameras locations. You could zoom in on an area and click on a camera icon and you would get a stream from that camera.

      --
      George

    13. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by esper · · Score: 1

      civilengineer is right. Many times I have turned on to a freeway on-ramp to be greeted by a heavily congested road. If I had known its condition in advance, I could have opted for an alternate route. (Hell, never mind the webcams, just build the ramps so that you can see what the freeway looks like before you commit to getting on it.)

      This doesn't really apply with power grids, of course, because you only have one available. Checking its utilization and drawing your power from elsewhere is not an option.

      For your other example of movie premieres, civilengineer is right again: If there are three theaters in my area, odds are good that one will be less crowded than the others. Unlike the freeway situation, there's a time lag here while I drive to the theater, but real-time information on ticket sales for previous and in-progress showings could still be useful for predicting which is likely to be least congested.

      Your argument holds in cases (like the power grid) where there is a single resource which everyone must use to fulfill their "need", but falls flat when there are multiple resources (alternate routes, different theaters) which could satisfy it.

    14. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by BryanL · · Score: 1

      Then we need a tool to tell when there is internet congestion so that we can access the webcams to tell if there is traffic congestion. Unfortunately, most people will also be accessing the webcams at the same time (eg.just before rush hour.)

    15. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by realdpk · · Score: 1

      Was driving up through Oregon back home after a vacation - overhead, saw a sign that told us the average transit time to (or maybe across?) the I-405 (from I-5). That was very cool! I'd love to see those sorts of signs in more places.

    16. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by dotslashdot · · Score: 1

      Sorry if this is offtopic--what are some good webcams for linux? What KDE application can one use to view their webcam? Can you talk to someone using the webcam over the internet?

    17. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if we have a lot of these at movie theaters...

      Gee...free movies!

    18. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by _avs_007 · · Score: 1

      I suppose. I work with various people/groups that are all over the world. So I'm pretty much fscked no matter what time I try to set meetings. I go in to work at 10 and leave at 7, mostly because of traffic issues.

      Even if our work-schedules were aligned it wouldn't matter. Cause I can never find a conference room on short-order, nor can I find a time-slot when everyone is free. To make up for this, I often end up with phone-teleconferences at the oddest hours, ie 11 - midnight, etc etc. Nothing like trying to have a conference call with people from Japan, Europe, and USA all at the same time....

      This is why e-mail is so great :p

    19. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Mantorp · · Score: 1

      I too am cursed by a long commute to a major metropolitan area (NYC). However, since we have some clients on the left coast I work pacific time so I don't get in till 11AM. Or rather I'm supposed to but it's hard to get up in time. Every now and then I have to get to work normal hours and it takes a small eternity if I'm on the road anytime between 6.30 and 10AM. I'd welcome some traffic cams to help me along the way.

    20. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by crusty_architect · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Working as an architect for a V Large ISP it has been interesting to watch the "peak hour" for email go from 1-2 hours at night (1997) to a flat-line peak period of 8 hours from 9am to 5pm. We have always designed and built for peaks, now the peak is *all day*.

    21. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Phroggy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is why matinee tickets are cheaper.

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      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    22. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they have those in San Antonio tx and perhaps other metro areas in tx

    23. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by ODD97 · · Score: 1

      Camera Camera: c113 (62 @ Bloomington) is 2 blocks from my house.

      I use this link often as well.

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      The emperor is naked.
    24. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by tuba_dude · · Score: 1

      Hey, that's cool. Didn't know that. Is any of this stuff publicly accessable? I'd love to know a bit more about the driving conditions before I go out and about.

      --
      "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
    25. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Yeah, a lot of the info, camera snapshots, etc gets posted to the web. Most of is linked from the COTRIP page (Colorado Transportation Resource and Information Partnership). You can also check out the links from CDOT's main page. Part of the project was to deploy web-based information kiosks to places like DIA.

      Of course the cool stuff -- like live video feeds from the cameras and remote controls for the ones that can pan, tilt and zoom, or to reprogram the signs -- is of course restricted to the operations center (or the backup center that Lockheed maintains).

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      -- Alastair
    26. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Politburo · · Score: 1

      If one movie theatre in your area is not crowded when others are, there is a reason. That reason may be that the theatre is harder to get to, in a less dense area, more expensive, less comfortable, less selection, etc etc, but there is a reason. People aren't just going to theatre B instead of theatre A for fun. While not all theatres in one area will have the same exact saturation at any one point, if all things are equal, they should be equally crowded. Of course, all things are not equal. In your situation, however, if you went to the less crowded theatre, chances are you are making a sacrifice. If these things don't matter to you, then you would be able to benefit greatly from a camera system.

  3. No.... by CGP314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    sounds like a chapter out of "Spy vs. Spy"

    Sounds more like 1984 to me.

    1. Re:No.... by QuantumSpritz · · Score: 0

      To be sure! These Big Brother-esque trends are exactly the kind of thing that makes me afraid to move about in public. Not that I would anyway... :) @#$%ing /. effect - I want to see those cams.

    2. Re:No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it were a chapter of Spy Vs. Spy, the webcam links would actually be delivering a worm to the voyeur White Spies, but it would backfire hilariously on the Black Spies when it turned out that the White Spies had foreseen this eventuality and rigged their computers with honeypots that...dammit, I'm losing the thread. I mostly bought the magazine for the fold-in anyway.

    3. Re:No.... by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, in 1984 they had camera's in people's homes. These are camera's in public areas, where you do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

      There are gray areas of course - what about camera's aimed up women's skirts in public spaces, or public restrooms, or camera's that can view into a private backyard...

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    4. Re:No.... by WegianWarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds more like 1984 to me.

      Wrong, on two things. Firstly, this isn't "big brother" watching you.. if anything, it's "little brother". Secondly, it's not in your home, but in public areas. You did know that people could see you in public, didn't you?

      I can't see why people get worked up over the fact that there are webcams in public places. The moment you leave your home someone is likely to see you - and if you plan on doing things you would rather that no one saw, you should have done them before you went out. If anything, cameras in public places can be a good thing - in downtown Oslo (thats in Norway) they placed a couple of cameras in one most popular parks for junkies, and look and behold; even thought the junkies still hang out there (everyone has to be somewhere I guess), they don't harass the other people walking by no more.

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      Everything in the world is controlled by a small, evil group to which, unfortunately, no one you know belongs.
    5. Re:No.... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      becausr there is nothing in place to protect us from there abuse.

      There is a different from being in the background of someones hioome movie, and being activly monitored.

      It would seem to me there would be SOME level of privacy expacted. I mean, If I'm teaching my child to ride a bike, there is no reason for anybody to go out of there way to hear are conversation. No reason for anybody to start corrolating my behavier to past behavior, etc...

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    6. Re:No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just read the damn book. That is all I ask of people who say something is like 1984. Read the book. 1984 is starting to become like Nazi in dicussions. I think it is thrown out at least once in every discussion.

      What's even worse is that the mods obviously haven't read the book either. I would love to do a poll of slashdot to see how many people have actually read the book in the last few years.

    7. Re:No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, if you really have children I fear for them. Second, do you really think that there is any database in the world large enough to hold every movement of every person in your neighborhood let alone the state or the world? They aren't going to be watching you teach your kid to ride a bike because NO ONE cares.

      You also have no right to privacy outside of your house. Just ask celebrities.

    8. Re:No.... by CGP314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have read the book many times. It would not be difficult for a system like this to be automated... for example with the horrendous facial recognition software we have been reading about in the past few days.

    9. Re:No.... by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 1

      Yet another interesting gray area to consider :)

      What you describe is no different than someone following you around, taking notes, etc. In some places, the consensus is that is harassment. In other places, that is perfectly acceptable behaviour (perhaps not socially, but legally). And in all places, it's something that is very difficult to prevent.

      Unfortunately (for you), you are in the minority here. Most people will willingly give up "privacy" in public places, since we don't really have it anyway. Most people feel that CCTV is rather like having police vigilant on every corner and having them open like this means that the system is harder to abuse.

      I'm not too worried about CCTV. I'll pull out the tinfoil when things go all Gattaca...

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    10. Re:No.... by Wiseazz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The 1984 reference is old and tired, guys.

      These are public web cams in public places. What difference is there between this and going to the park, sitting on a bench, and people-watching? People enjoy watching other people - it's interesting. I understand that in this case, people may not know they're being watched. But if you're out in public, you should assume *someone* can see what you're doing. By definition.

      Get over it and enjoy the show. Now, when government mandated cameras start showing up in peoples' homes, then you can start screaming 1984 and I'll be happy to join in.

      I'm off to enjoy my "college co-ed shower cam" subscription. You kids play nice.

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    11. Re:No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if anything, it's "little brother".

      Note to self: beat up little brother later.

    12. Re:No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geez man... you are in a public place... there is no privacy in public.

      Secondly, unless you are alone in the public place, there are other "subjects" to watch. It would take nearly a one-to-one ratio of subject-to-monitor to analyze your behavior. That's a ridiculous amount of manpower. Any analysis that could be done would HAVE to be in reaction to some other event (a car was stolen, store broken into, mugging, or whatever). If you are alone, how is this any different from a cop sitting in a parked cruiser, eating some donuts, and watching you teach your kid to ride a bike? Are you going to walk up to the cop and demand they look somewhere else?!?

      Third, I hate to break it to you, but you're *not that important* to be monitored constantly or have some psycho-analysis done on why you told your kid to "try harder to keep your balance" and what that could mean about your behavior in general.

    13. Re:No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Oh, please learn to spell if you want to be taken seriously. Or, if you do have good spelling, at least preview and re-read so you can catch your mistakes.
      1. becausr = because (typo - I can forgive that)
      2. there = their (twice)
      3. different = difference
      4. "from" should be "between"
      5. someones = someone's
      6. hioome = home
      7. remove comma before "and" (minor, arguable nit)
      8. activly = actively
      9. expacted = expected
      10. are = our
      11. corrolating = correlating
      12. behavier = behavior (used inconsistently)
      For a point of reference, I was about to completely blow off your post due to the huge number of errors. I only read to the end so I could post this.

      Really, this isn't meant as a troll. People will take you more seriously, put more thought into your argument, and are more likely to consider your statements that of a learned person if you do the basics of being rigorous with spelling and grammar.
    14. Re:No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, that would only make it less like the book 1984. In 1984, the system was not automated!

      The most important difference between 1984 and the hypothetical developments which you seem to fear is that, in 1984, every place that the main character could go was monitored, including his own apartment.

    15. Re:No.... by stonedCoder · · Score: 1

      What difference is there between this and going to the park, sitting on a bench, and people-watching?

      The difference is instead of a few hundred people or whatever casually taking a look around while they are also in a public situation, The Rest of the World[tm] can look on in private, maybe store the pictures and use/abuse/reuse/do nothing with them.

      If I'm sat on the park bench with my children and numerous physically-there people begin snapping pictures of us constantly, I'm at least aware and able to address the situation.

      Now, what was that shower cam link?... ;)

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  4. I go here... by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 4, Informative

    I like to use the World View of Live Webcams to get my voyeuristic fix. It's kept fairly up to date, and has hundreds of cams.

    1. Re:I go here... by jhorgo · · Score: 1

      yeah that or World Telecams.com or EarthCam.com or SecurityProShop.com (where you can buy these internet enabled remote/PTZ cams etc.).... So this project really is nothing new... right? The running word for these is "web-cam-attraction-system" ....

  5. In other news...... by losttoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ....they were slashdotted within seconds. But seriously, how would you handle a DoS on a network of webcams? Anything over the internet is reliable enough for security monitoring given attacks like DoS/DDoS?

    1. Re:In other news...... by mrtroy · · Score: 1

      That brings up an excellent point.

      Screw stealing the tapes...DoS the company's webcams when you are robbing the place!

      However, no company has been nearsighted enough to use webcams as security cameras (that i know of) and without tape backups.

      So looks like I still have to find "saturday 5:30am" from that pile of tapes...

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    2. Re:In other news...... by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      Have a public cached version that is separate from the version that is available to only "important" people. The public server gets DDoS'd, but big deal! you have mirror!

  6. /.'ed in under a minute by vt0asta · · Score: 2, Funny

    pfft. that was quick.

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  7. Shouldn't it be the other way around? by CGP314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The site -- http://privacy.cs.cmu.edu/dataprivacy/projects/cam watch -- notes that a few of the "jail cams" had been disabled due to lawsuits.

    We don't want to let you see what happens in a jail. We do want to keep an eye on you so we can more easily put you in one.

    1. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by TekProphet · · Score: 0, Insightful

      What's this fascination with coddling dangerous criminals? We can't see what goes on in jails, but as soon as I step outside my home, it's possible for anyone to watch my every move?

      I guess it fits since they get cable and other amenities that a college student can only wish for (or steal).

    2. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I guess it fits since they get cable and other amenities that a college student can only wish for (or steal).

      It always interests me how people who've never spent time in a jail or penitentiary have such a firm idea of how easy life is there.

      btw, it's impossible to "steal" cable. You can secure unauthorised access to the signal it carries, though.

    3. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by Politburo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What amenities do they get that college students do not? As a college student, I had access to: broadband internet, cable tv, massive libraries, computer labs (with specialized equipment), athletic facilites (including pool), all you can eat dining... the list can go on, and it also includes freedom to do what I want, when I want, and the right to vote. I severely doubt that the quality of life in prison is anywhere near that of a college student.

    4. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by CGP314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you think that most of the 2x10^6 people in prison are there because they are 'dangerous criminals' you are very, very wrong. More than half are there for drug offences.

    5. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you can, just rip it out of the high voltage power tower!

    6. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by Grunschev · · Score: 1

      What's this fascination with coddling dangerous criminals? We can't see what goes on in jails, but as soon as I step outside my home, it's possible for anyone to watch my every move?

      I guess it fits since they get cable and other amenities that a college student can only wish for (or steal).


      The cable TV in my county's jail only shows one channel: the Weather Channel. They get two square meals a day, usually green bologna sandwiches. They get to wear pink underwear and those fancy striped overalls that say "inmate" on the back. And many of them live in tents in the desert.

      And your college is so bad you dream of having these amenities? Where do you go to school? I wouldn't want to send my kid there!

      Igor

    7. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by sjames · · Score: 2, Interesting

      IIRC, the suits are over cameras for arrest bookings, and are based on the following:

      Jail cameras are acceptable because criminals lose some rights such as an expectation of privacy, voting in a federal election, etc

      The people on these cameras are to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, therfore they have not given up those rights and should not be held up to public humilliation.

      I notice that I hear a lot more about booking cameras than those in the jails. Perhaps that's because the decision makers know they'd be sued into oblivion or put on the other side of the bars if the public knew how the prison officials behaved.

  8. Washington DC area roads camera'd up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I let my distant family keep an eye on my surroundings with them. They can check out the weather, etc.

  9. Reminds me of a story by slycer9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...on http://www.e-sheep.com

    Look at the story called 'spiders', the one about al quaida.

    (Forgive me, it's early, haven't had coffee...not EVEN gonna try a link...so just cut n' paste).

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  10. bigbrother is bored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally, I can see watch how boring other people's lives are for free! The internet? They still have that?

  11. The price of fame by ArmenTanzarian · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Truly a concept that has crossed every 't' and dotted every slash. Mirror anyone?

  12. Is this a repost? by proctorg76 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm pretty sure I heard about something just like this a few weeks ago. Was it just a proposal for this project or someone else doing the same thing? Anybody?

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  13. Heck with that by Avatar_LHo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't want to see the US, give me a cam in the red light district in over in Amsterdam that pans.

    1. Re:Heck with that by CGP314 · · Score: 1

      Here are all the Amsterdam Webcams your little heart could want.

  14. Next reality show by BillLeeLee · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think Fox is gonna license the camera footage as a new reality tv series "World's most exciting random camera footage."

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    1. Re:Next reality show by RevMike · · Score: 4, Funny
      I heard about that. I think it comes on right after "When Animals Attack Buildings Collapsing on Police Chases."

      Every time I see that Simpson's episode from the future, I wait for Marge to say "Fox moved to soft core porn so gradually, no one even noticed." That always cracks me up.

    2. Re:Next reality show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which is usually followed by "America's Funniest Use of Excessive Force"

    3. Re:Next reality show by OctaneZ · · Score: 1

      Oh, to be on family guy and see the fox special:
      "Slow Children, Fast Animals"

      Camera 1
      Obese child seperated from scout troop
      Camera 2
      Tiger Closing Fast
      Camera 1
      Child: Oh no, I spilled honey on myself!
      Camera 2
      Tiger closing even faster

      This moment brought to you by a cartoon kicked off the air at least 4 times.

    4. Re:Next reality show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your quote is wrong... it wasn't 'soft' ...

  15. slashdotting webcams by greylion3 · · Score: 1

    I'm concerned that;

    if a webcam gets slashdotted, will it lock up? - until some technician shows up and reboots/powercycles it?

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    1. Re:slashdotting webcams by kcornia · · Score: 1

      More importantly, if a webcam locks up in the forest, does anyone see it?

  16. 6 Comments, site is gone by Christianfreak · · Score: 3, Funny

    We interupt this program to bring you a special announcement.

    Users from the hacker website 'slashdot.org' today attacked an brought down the nation's super-duper internet monitoring system. Hacker's by the name of 'Hemos' and 'CmdrTaco' are said to be in FBI custody ... Film at 11.

  17. Found the Troll! by MacBrave · · Score: 1

    Something tells me that the following quote has been changed from the original story.

    'even lenses peeping on jail buttfuckings in Tennessee and Louisiana.'

  18. False alarms? by EvilOpie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder how they'll police this? Honestly, I think it's a good idea in theory, like especially when dealing with troublesome intersections that cause frequent accidents. Having the public watch the cams and call in accidents as soon as they happen could be a *very* good thing. But the problem is that you'd need someone to police the people viewing the cams to make sure that if they acted on what they saw (or think they saw) that it was a real and legitimate problem.

    Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding the article. I guess that at first read through, "the role of bored security guard" makes it sound like you'll watch the cameras instead of the guards, but I guess that you could be watching them in addition to the guards/security that normally view them.

    But if THAT is the case, then I guess this brings up the question, is this then just for entertainment value? You know it's a sad but true fact of life that if people saw something bad that happened, they'd just be like "oh, that sucks" or laugh or whatever, and then go on with life just being glad that it wasn't them.

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    1. Re:False alarms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the role of bored security guard"

      I'm not bored! This is very interesting. You sure do that a lot, though. Don't you care about the kittens?

    2. Re:False alarms? by tessaiga · · Score: 1

      Not to mention if it ever became popular, you'd have to deal with some pretty serious bandwidth demands since you'd be transmitting video to a whole bunch of viewers. As other posts have pointed out, it's barely been a few minutes since the post and the link site's already slashdotted, and that's just text ... I'd imagine something like the Times Square intersection live video feed would probably go down even faster.

      That's without even considering "digital vandalism" in the form of DOS attacks ...

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    3. Re:False alarms? by rzbx · · Score: 1

      "Having the public watch the cams and call in accidents as soon as they happen could be a *very* good thing. But the problem is that you'd need someone to police the people viewing the cams to make sure that if they acted on what they saw (or think they saw) that it was a real and legitimate problem."

      I don't think that web cams would add much to informing authorities about accidents since so many people have mobile phones. It migt aid in determining how bad an accident is though. Also, determining legitimate information can be based on how many times the same information was provided by different sources.

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    4. Re:False alarms? by PostItNote · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > I wonder how they'll police this?

      "they" won't police anything. But it does mean that privacy, instead of being only for cops, is for nobody. Thus, it gives interested citizens a chance to "watch the watchmen". You'll note that the link for the story goes to PRIVACY.cmu.edu.

      I view this technology as a democratization of the surveillance cameras that are ubiquitous in large areas. With this, anyone can get the data from the original source - no waiting for the police to release it, no FOX-ification. So why would you want to *police* this? Nobody is required to do anything based on what they see, it just gives people the ability to see in the first place.

    5. Re:False alarms? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      actually, evidience support that intersection cams don't work.

      Well, they work until they become part of the normally dailly background noise. Almost all intersections accident are caused becauses someone is not paying attention. How is a traffic cam going to magically make people pay more attention?

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    6. Re:False alarms? by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      Having the public watch the cams and call in accidents as soon as they happen could be a *very* good thing.

      Actually, most auto accidents are already quickly and rapidly reported by persons on the scene. Usually this process involves prying the cell phone from the collion victim's hand and using it to call the authorities.

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    7. Re:False alarms? by esper · · Score: 1

      I think the point wasn't that webcams would prevent accidents, but rather that the accidents would be reported quicker. Not that there's really a problem with how quickly they get reported anyhow, thanks to cellphones...

  19. Project Statement: by SteakandcheeseUm · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Camera Watch project is part of our Surveillance of Surveillances ( SOS) effort. We are constructing a repository of links to publicly available on-line webcams, where the webcams of interest are those that observe the public in public spaces. At present, we estimate there are about 10,000 such cameras displaying public places in the United States. Our goals are to assess the number and nature of such cameras, explore potential uses, and analyze and propose related policies and best practices.
    Our database is just being launched. The current edition of the database has only a few hundred direct links to cameras with about 6,000 links currently queued for processing. We expect to have these included in the database over the next weeks.

    You can search the database for a camera or submit a link to a camera for inclusion in the database.


    Wow, 6,000 camera links queued for processing. They should write a bot to check the links for up-time-ness and verification.

  20. I use the traffic webcams daily by Shiifty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have 2 routes I can take to work. If my normal route, the fast highway is clogged up because of an accident or bad weather, I can take the normally somewhat slower alternate route. Gotta love technology.

    Whats funny is when there is an accident, the operators zoom in with the cameras so you can see the damage up close LOL

    1. Re:I use the traffic webcams daily by tool462 · · Score: 0

      I use something very similar. I live about 50 miles away from where I work (splits the difference for me and my gf).

      What's really cool is that I can subscribe to this site, preprogram the different routes I can take to work and it will send me text messages whenever there is a major accident along the way, or when speeds drop below a set level. Additionally, I can access the site from my cellphone, and actually get an estimated time for my commute along the various routes, and take which ever one is shortest. It has saved me so much time, it's crazy.

      (No, I'm not affiliated with sigalert.)

  21. Dupe Idea? by Richardsonke1 · · Score: 1

    I remember that there was another site a while back on slashdot that was planning on paying people to watch webcams like this. Anybody remember the site. I can't find it with /.'s terrible search engine or google's.

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    1. Re:Dupe Idea? by maharg · · Score: 1

      The system was called US HomeGuard and the Slashdot story is here

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    2. Re:Dupe Idea? by Richardsonke1 · · Score: 1

      Hey, you're good! I applaud your searching (or memory) abilities.

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  22. Oooh -- Internet Security Guard by Hayzeus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can I yell "You Kids! No running in the goddam mall" remotely?

    1. Re:Oooh -- Internet Security Guard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I yell "You Kids! No running in the goddam mall" remotely?

      Yes. And just like in real life, nobody will listen to you, you senile old fart!

  23. Also lets terrorists.... by losttoy · · Score: 4, Funny

    .... watch public places sitting in a cybercafe or from the hills of Afghanistan!!!

    1. Re:Also lets terrorists.... by pmz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a cybercafe or from the hills of Afghanistan!!!

      Well, the convenience of this shouldn't be ignored. What are the security implications of this, when intelligence gathering doesn't require an on-site visit?

  24. .. it's like... by sporty · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's like millions of cams were used at once, and then suddenly silenced... by slashdot.

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  25. Already Lawsuits by the_mad_poster · · Score: 1
    notes that a few of the "jail cams" had been disabled due to lawsuits.

    We can only hope the rest of the cameras follow suit...

    See, now you have good reason to stay inside and read Slashdot 24/7...

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  26. Security guard wannabees can now ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 1
    just sit at home in their poly/cotten shirts with clip-on ties and watch as other people might potentially be doing something that somebody else will have to deal with eventually anyway. All without the bother of "getting paid" or having to hide the pr0n that they are really watching.

    Technology: another prayer answered.

  27. I just want one by toothfish · · Score: 1

    down the street from me to see if the bus is coming. I wonder if MUNI is up on this-- the pilot program for tracking buses seems to have fizzled out...

    1. Re:I just want one by Politburo · · Score: 1

      For a (slightly) more practical bus tracking application, check out Rutgers University's whereismybus.com

      Beware: Site may not function on non-IE browers (I've had varied results). It can also take 30-60 seconds for bus locations to appear (In fact, I can't get any to appear right now, using IE). The system certainly hasn't been perfect since it started in Spring 2002, but when it does work, it's very handy.

    2. Re:I just want one by Animats · · Score: 1
      NextBus is still up and running. It's a very small operation, but it works quite well.

      NextBus was very upsetting to Muni officials, because it measures reality, not what they'd like to see. But it's still up.

      One interesting bit of info - every time a wheelchair lift deploys, the bus loses about three minutes. So the NextBus unit get a signal from the wheelchair lift and updates predictions accordingly.

  28. where do I sign up by psxotaku · · Score: 1

    here is my webcam.... /. me

    http://gorbycam.camarades.com/

    watch my cats sleep

    1. Re:where do I sign up by SteakandcheeseUm · · Score: 1

      There is a link on the page for signup, though it seems to mention that only "public" webcams are accepted. I don't know if that would help you either way.

  29. Existing city webcam project by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 5, Informative
    If this interests you, also check out CincyStreet.com. They have an index with dozens and dozens of cameras from many different US cities.

    I discovered this a short while ago myself, and was surprised to find one within just half a mile of my own home, just off a street on my regular commute. I come within a hair's breadth of appearing on camera every morning, and I never knew it.

    I keep a couple locations on shortcuts, and sometimes I check out the sunrise in other states over my morning coffee.

  30. Slashdotted by jargoone · · Score: 1

    Anyone want to post some ASCII art of the webcams?

  31. 600? by gwernol · · Score: 1, Redundant

    It lists 600 webcams? More like 404 right now...

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  32. Damn by r_glen · · Score: 1

    0 to /. in 8 minutes.

  33. Security Guards are wannabe cops by stratjakt · · Score: 0, Redundant

    But I don't think there are any wannabe security guards.

    I've known some security guards in the past, they were all aspiring cops or FBI guys. Some of the stupidest folks I've ever had the misfortune of meeting.

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  34. We need one more camera... by H0NGK0NGPH00EY · · Score: 4, Funny

    Too bad there isn't a webcam on their server, so we could all watch it go up in smoke live.

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    1. Re:We need one more camera... by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 1

      But then the server hosting that camera would go up in smoke and then so would the camera monitoring that one and then the camera monitoring....

      whoa. Stop this ride, I want to get off.

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    2. Re:We need one more camera... by Radix37 · · Score: 1

      Well I'm posting from the *.cs.cmu.edu network and the privacy server is still responding to ping in 10 ms time... so it has not gone up in smoke, sorry ;-)

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  35. Surf porn, not traffic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Whats funny is when there is an accident...

    What's funnier is that you live so far away from where you spend the majority of your waking week that you use an automobile, the internet, and "alternate routes" just to get there.

    If I can suggest a non-technical solution... Move closer to work or bring your work closer to you. You'll have more free time to surf porn before walking or cycling to work.

    Gotta love technology in the hands of the clueless.

    1. Re:Surf porn, not traffic! by esper · · Score: 1

      Move closer to work or bring your work closer to you.

      Not always an option. Like, for instance, if you work for a company in the city (where most companies are), but don't want to live in the city and are doing work that isn't amenable to telecommuting. Some of use prefer trees and grass over skyscrapers and pavement, after all.

  36. Slashdotted by Brahmastra · · Score: 1

    The webcam site is slashdotted. Can someone with adequate bandwidth put up webcams in the same 600 locations and broadcast? Thank you.

  37. London Cameras - Off Topic, But Not by CGP314 · · Score: 1

    Anyone in London remember this creepy campaign

  38. Oscillation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, it would cause oscillation behaviour.

    If all people look at the line and it's full, nobody goes there and now it's empty, so everyone goes there. Repeat as many times as desired.

    This is why no routing algorithm takes in account queue length.

    1. Re:Oscillation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So, smart people would head out when it looks busy, or maybe just slowing down. It sounds absolutely great. The sheeple can sit in line, and the better adapted of us figure the pattern out, and suck the sweet nectars that is no traffic.

    2. Re:Oscillation by bob65 · · Score: 1

      But the "sheeple" would catch on quickly, and soon everyone will have figured out the pattern. And so it continues...

  39. Yowsa! My server is on fire! by tomzyk · · Score: 2, Funny

    About 600 webcams of 6000 in the pipe are now available.
    And, of course now that this has been announced on Slashdot, within the next half-hour, there might be only 10% of those 600 that survived the /. effect.

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  40. Not quite 1984 by roystgnr · · Score: 1

    Sounds more like David Brin's Transparent Society. The difference is that here you are potentially watched by anyone at all, in 1984 you are potentially watched by a small group of people who control the cameras.

  41. Transparent Society by tarranp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is not a bad thing. David Brin actually discusses this in depth in his book Transparent Society."

    A person watching the camera is no different than a person standing on the street corner watching people go by. Well there si a difference: the person watching on the web is a witness wwho cannot be intimidated into silence, and nobody knows if they are being watched in that public space.

    I don't fear the loss of privacy, because there is no privacy in public spaces. I do like the idea that any would be wrongdoer does not know whether he is being watched or not.

    1. Re:Transparent Society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I do like the idea that any would be wrongdoer does not know whether he is being watched or not.

      That would not work, because the system allows wrongdoer to watch who are watching them. Besides, any proficient illusionist/magician knows too well how to redirect the prying eyes' attentions away from crime scene, rendering monitoring effort usless.

    2. Re:Transparent Society by TheVampire · · Score: 1

      "I don't fear the loss of privacy, because there is no privacy in public spaces. I do like the idea that any would be wrongdoer does not know whether he is being watched or not."

      The problem is that it depends on the definition of "wrongdoer", and who is making that determination....

    3. Re:Transparent Society by esme · · Score: 2, Interesting
      privacy is not the real issue here -- as you say, there is no privacy in public.

      but our behavior in public, particulary in big cities, is generally anonymous. i have lived in big cities most of my life and have run into people out in public only a few times -- and only at places where we were both frequent visitors (grocery store, popular restaurant, etc.). in general, you almost never see anyone you know.

      the transparent society would end the anonymity of our public behavior, and this has huge consequences.

      with our current anonymity, we are not typically held accountable for our actions that are offensive, but fall short of breaking laws. cutting people off, being rude to waitresses, etc. are all very antisocial behaviors that are common in big cities because it's never anyone you know who you're trampling on. with a transparent society, your friends/family/boss/etc. could be watching you, so you become more accountable for this kind of behavior.

      the other side of this is that it would become a lot easier to stalk people (either privately or as part of a government plot). and removing the anonymity of public behavior would have a huge impact on many political activities. for example, if you run a business and are trying to prevent your workers from organizing a union, your job gets a lot easier if you could see who your employees are meeting with after hours. of course, all the travel to meet with union organizers would be public, but it would be anonymous.

      so it's all well and good to say that it's only public behavior so it's not a privacy issue. but in fact, there are a lot of issues surrounding privacy that are impacted by the existence of a police-state aparatus.

      -esme

    4. Re:Transparent Society by tarranp · · Score: 1

      I must disagree.

      Let's assume for a minute that you are walking through the park. Let's assume someone sees you walking and decides that you are acting suspiciously, perhaps even, as Chief Quimby would put it, "hopped up on goofballs!"

      Now, what's the difference if this person making this unjustified inferrence is watching you in person or over the web? Either one can call the police and "rat" you out, and in either case the police response will be the same.

      Let's take it a step further. Let's say I am a bigot who hates the idea of people with brown skin walking through that park. Hell, let's even say I have a gang of people who feel similarly, and that we are going to flood the police with reports of "a man acting suspiciously", every time we see someone in the park whose skin color we don't like. Of course, when one calls in a police report, they generally log the phone used to make the report, and ask for the person's name.

      The police will rapidly recognize the pattern of false reports, and start investigating the source. Why? because they really hate being lied to. Filing a false report is a serious thing. Doing it chronically will generate a response.

      Perhaps the person watching you on the web could capture the video and use it to publicly embarass you. But again, this risk exists whenever one is outside. If you walk into a telephone pole in public you have a chance of being filmed on videotape and publicly embarassed. It's kind of a hazard of going outside.

      OK. Now imagine, I am a bigot who is going to harass people in public. Or better yet, I am a biggoted rogue cop. Well, in those public places, I'd sure be worried that some hippy ACLU supporter is just waiting for me to slip up so they can bust my balls. I'll take my harassing behavior where the light of day wont shine on it.

      Everyplace where cameras are posted and people know that they are posted crime goes down. The question is, do you want some special guardian class like the police to be the only people allowed to watch them, or do you want to let everyone use them. I like the idea of everyone having access much better than acess being limited to special class of people. I like the camera's better than no cameras, because wouldbe muggers, pickpockets, harassers are deterred, because they no longer can make sure their crime will go unnoticed by looking around to see who's watching them.

    5. Re:Transparent Society by krysith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is a significant difference if the camera is hidden. When I see someone else on my street corner, I know that I am being watched. It makes me less likely to A) commit a crime B) talk to myself C) have sex with my girlfriend on the steps or D) pick my nose.

      I think that having hidden cameras in a public space is not an illegal thing, but certainly a rude one. The middle of a field in a national forest is certainly a public place, but there is an expectation of privacy if no one is there.

    6. Re:Transparent Society by tarranp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You bring up some good points, however I feel they are minor drawbacks.

      For example, in the case of the businessman concerned that his people want to unionize. If he really wants to see where his people go, h can now hire a prvate investigator. In fact, he's much more likely to hire the investigator than to sit around watching the webcam since he's got other things to do with his itme.

      Similarly concerning stalking: A stalker sitting at home who never interacts with the stalkee does not matter, since the stalkee does not knwo that they even exist.

      The stalker who uses the web to gather personal info and then decides to pay a visit on the other hand, is a problem. However, the camera is a two edged sword. If the stalker harasses the stalkee in a public place, then one has a record that can be given to the police. If, on the other hand, the stalker is using the webcam to provide him with intelligence and is going to take action outside of camera view, that's a different matter. Again, I must point out that the stalker can currently follow his victim around. The webcam might make his job a little easier, but the lack thereof does not prevent him from stalking his victims.

      None of the concerns I have seen raised have suggested thatbeing watched is in and of itself the problem. Every problem scenario requires the watcher to use the information he has gleaned to harm those he is watching. The webcams aren't a problem in and of themselves. They may make cetain illegal actions easier to do, but so does the telephone. So does freenet.

      There is nothing wrong with sticking a camera in a public place. The question s, do you want the police to be the only ones watching them, or do you want everyone to have access to the same information.

    7. Re:Transparent Society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C) have sex with my girlfriend on the steps

      Actually... I would be more likely do to that :)

    8. Re:Transparent Society by Dirtside · · Score: 1

      But the question is, *should* you have an expectation of privacy in such a place? It is public land, after all. Even if you expect privacy, some random hiker could come walking up on you unnoticed. Are they violating your privacy, even though they have as much right to be there as you do?

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    9. Re:Transparent Society by krysith · · Score: 1

      My point is that you have an expectation of privacy if no one else is there. There is no expectation of remaining alone, as it is public lands.

      If I can't walk 100 miles into the desert, look around and see no one around, and reasonably expect some privacy, then the "expectation of privacy" is legal fiction.

  42. Schools by pirodude · · Score: 1

    Someone here maintains a pretty good list of webcams on campus. There a few cams that I go past every single day and I never knew they were there. Same being said for the computer lab cameras. I always thought they were for security, and not being broadcast over the net

  43. Sure-fire cure for your big-brother blues... by macshune · · Score: 1

    Posting a link on slashdot to a page that has links to a huge amount of the world's (public-sphere-invading big-brother) web cams is a great way to help prevent those cameras from being used.

    Woohoo!

  44. DON'T suspect a neighbor.. by greenskyx · · Score: 1

    report a neighbor!

  45. That just great, more web porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all, judge ruled up-skirt cams are legal. Anyone want an up-skirt cam?

  46. False alarms? - Yes! by JiffyPop · · Score: 1

    I need to get together some friends and stage muggings/beatings/hit and runs/etc in front of local camaras.

  47. The next contest will be .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... seeing how many different cameras you can flash or moon. Others will be trying to post pictures of everyone flashing or mooning the cameras!

  48. Slashdot as tool of evil genius? by bopo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Perhaps the submitter and his evil minions were planning a countrywide crime spree and needed a sure-fire way of bring all those cameras down?

    What? I'm bored, leave me alone.

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  49. OK, be honest by kelzer · · Score: 1

    How many of you clicked on "Beach or Ocean View"?

    And just what were you planning to surveil? : )

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  50. If they can be monitored... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...

    One of the reasons I was told that a webcam may not go over well at the college I work at is the question of "If it can be monitored, is there an obligation to monitor it?"

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    1. Re:If they can be monitored... by Talinom · · Score: 1

      I was wondering: there is this, um, camera that is viewable on the web. It's in the dorm room of a couple of college coeds. They really want me to see them because they sent me a piece of e-mail with poor grammer, but I cannot find the camera.

      Is that one of the cameras that we are going to get to use?

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  51. Inherently flawed concept by GillBates0 · · Score: 1

    The Camera Watch project is part of our Surveillance of Surveillances ( SOS) effort. We are constructing a repository of links to publicly available on-line webcams, where the webcams of interest are those that observe the public in public spaces. At present, we estimate there are about 10,000 such cameras displaying public places in the United States. Our goals are to assess the number and nature of such cameras, explore potential uses, and analyze and propose related policies and best practices.

    I don't usually like to downplay a research project without hearing it through, and/or talking with the project members, but I'm going to make an exception this time.

    From the project page, it looks like a lot of valuable time and resources are being wasted on reinventing the wheel. Many databases of online webcams already exist. EarthCam is just one of them. This is another, as was posted in an earlier comment.

    Moreover, surveillance cameras act as deterrents for a reason: their presence. A would be criminal is less likely to commit a crime, if he/she knows that a camera is watching/recording his/her moves. Then it doesn't matter if somebody is actually watching the video, or whether it is being recorded for later auditing, or neither. This is the reason why you see " Warning Surveillance Cameras in USE" Notices at many gas stations/etc. It doesn't really matter whether the camera is being watched or not.

    Concealed surveillance cameras on the other hand, are meant to actually catch criminals instead of acting as deterrents. They usually require action on part of the surveillance team in order to identify criminals, or even detect suspicious activity in the first place. To prove useful, such a camera would require constant/reliable monitoring, for which dedicated teams are hired anyway. People would not want to depend on a random number of remote users to monitor such camers.

    So, to end the rant, I think the concept of using webcams for any purpose other than entertainment/traffic monitoring etc is inherently flawed, and hence QED.

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    1. Re:Inherently flawed concept by geekoid · · Score: 1

      ". A would be criminal is less likely to commit a crime, if he/she knows that a camera is watching/recording his/her moves."

      real world seems to suggest this is not true. First, many many people commit crimes when under urvailince, banks conviences stores, etc.

      second, camera are more widley distributed, but crime is increasing.

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  52. Name the movie and the gorgeous actress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Ass to ass! Ass to ass!"

    1. Re:Name the movie and the gorgeous actress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      requiem for a dream

  53. Unless you find yourself in there... by FreedomOfSpea-MMNnnf · · Score: 1
    Yes there are even folks (hard working family people) who did nothing but habitually cheat on their taxes, in prisons. Ashcroft has to keep 'em full to the brim or his budget will never go up so he can build MORE!!! Do we really need people's families exposed to the less than flattering (er... gang rape in the bathroom anyone) antics of the jailhouse set? Nah at least I won't be watching.

    I can't even sit through an episode of OZ.

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  54. i live in times square by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    thus my moniker, circletimessquare

    everyone go to camera #3343

    that's me in the red shirt by the lightpole waving

    hi everyone! ;-P

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  55. Thanks! Could you narrow it down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not familiar with Amsterdam and there's a lot of sections in that site. Could you link to the hoochie momma sections?

  56. Be on the lookout for a blurry individual... by migstradamus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Security guard? Maybe a collectively blind one. Ten thousand people looking at the same blurry, 10fps image isn't very helpful, at least not for identifying people. Most public cams are so lo-res and slow that unless we can get the crooks to move in slow motion and put their faces to the lens for a seconds, it's going to be limited to "hey, there's someone there, wearing something red, I think. Or maybe it's an Irish Setter, or a tomato."

    As usual then, it's all about the bandwidth. High-res cameras with 30fps minimum, swivel and zoom controls, and why not toss in sound? Then maybe you've got something. That something would still be a privacy catastrophe, but at least it would be a crisp, interactive privacy catastrophe.

  57. Darn by r_j_prahad · · Score: 2, Funny

    % grep "women\'s dorm" camwatch.htm
    %


    Darn.

  58. p0rn! by Pro_Piracy_Guy · · Score: 1, Funny
    Now when I have sex in public, the whole world will see instead of the few hundred people I am physically in front of.

    I love technology, what else could have turned a programmer into a p0rn*

    Thanks / .

    1. Re:p0rn! by unshaven23 · · Score: 1

      Hah, like you have sex... You're posting slashdot.org

    2. Re: Re:p0rn! by Pro_Piracy_Guy · · Score: 0

      Ahhh crap, your right (as I daydream of sex in my cubicle).

  59. maybe there's something wrong with me... by Machine9 · · Score: 1

    ...but I see a wonderful opportunity for all sorts of shocking pranks and behaviour ^_^

  60. I just recently discovered that by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    Since I'm starting grad classes at RU.

    Doesn't seem to work this semester.

    I really wish they had a Palm PQA version I could use with my Kyocera Smartphone to figure out of the C bus driver was taking another one of his hourly crack breaks.

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  61. Public service webcams... by fuqqer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not so sure I care about public webcams. I'd like to see webcams focused on our public sector. Services like Police, Fire, City, State, and Fed. employees should be monitored at random. Screw letting the government watch us, let's watch them!
    If the govt. is so ancy to be watchdogs of the private citizens in our world, we should have the opportunity to be watchdogs for these organizations at our whim.
    I think that civil rights violations would go down. Police are crooked wannabe thugs anyway. Tax money would be spent more efficiently. Govt. employees are lazy.
    The unfortunate downside of this is that we have CSPAN in the US and our politicians are still crooked punks trying to sneak crappy laws by us everyday.

    I wish my sig link were broken so I had an excuse to manually craft a sig everytime...

  62. Clarify that to by phorm · · Score: 1

    "As a college student with money... or with parents who have money"

    I can't complain, as I wasn't bad off thanks to family help too, but a lot of my friends in college are just making it by with a job, student loans, and an often-bar refrigerator.

    Prisoners lose a lot of their luxeries... but remember for f*ck sakes that they're in there for a reason, and part of that is punishment (also protection of society, etc). They lose a lot in freedom, but at least they're ensured a decent meal.

  63. Useful but not always entertaining by Tacoguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think this fits cause a store is a privately owned place with public access. I recently installed a system with 4 panning cameras in an antique store that was having very bad shoplifting problems. There is a monitor in plain view of people entering as well as tape recording and streaming via a web server. The shoplifting instantly stopped. Motion detectors autodial the 2 owners via wireless cell at night in case of a break in and they can instantly view activity inside the store via the Web. A UPS powers the system (including illumination) in case of electrical failure. Not entertaining but very useful. And a way cool project :-)

  64. Dead Site Soon by Atryn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This sounds like a perfect example of a site you would expect to be filled with dead links in about 8 months. This is espescially so as it is coming from a university and is therefore likely tied to some sort of research grant which will eventually run out leaving nobody paid to maintain the database....

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  65. I'm lazy by zvogt · · Score: 1, Funny

    I don't have the time to watch all these webcams
    individually. Can't these guys watch
    all the cameras for me, concurrently, and just show
    me the most statistically significant pixels?

  66. Is That Bored Secuity Guard? by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    Or perhaps "Gee, we can strike here! No one is watching except geeks!"

    BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Yeah, that'll work.

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  67. Yay, schools by bmantz65 · · Score: 1

    Now we'll finally know how Billy gets straight A's with Ms. Schmoe..

  68. The best cam by Andrewkov · · Score: 1

    Which cam is in the womens change room? ;-)

  69. I Thought I'd See My Wife in the Yard by notcreative · · Score: 1

    That plumber's van has been in front of our house for a long time.... I didn't even know the plumbing was broken! Call me clueless! At least this public camera is clueing me in!

  70. This is *exactly* what we need... by Not_Wiggins · · Score: 1

    We need a network of webcams so geeks can watch other geeks watch geeks! Where do I sign up?!? ;)

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  71. Blammo by __aannpi2461 · · Score: 1

    Search Results Perform another SEARCH or a SUBMIT Error Running HTX File: file://camsx/camfind1.htx Database error: [S1001][Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] System resource exceeded.

  72. True Freedom through open cameras. by F34nor · · Score: 1



    I think that any camera that observes the public should be part of the public domain.

    The prime benefit is the ability to monitor police activities. It would just be an equitable way of distributing the freedom to observe. There is no way to stop the proliferation of cameras and the inherent undermining of personal freedom other than to open all the cameras to everyone. This of course would require an act of congress but what the hell we can dream right?

  73. ... Four hours later by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Four hours later and the site is still dead. LOL

  74. It is not the CAM by trolman · · Score: 1
    It is the blur added before the image is served up to the public.

    Anyway this is a re-hash and old news.

  75. Live Background. by clinko · · Score: 1

    I know i'm late on this post, but I wrote a program that lets Win98+ have a live background w/webcams. I have some great cams listed too. Pretty nice to checkout if you have the time.

    Live Background Program for 98/ME/2k/XP

    Enjoy!

  76. Just a random thought I had.. by firew0lfz · · Score: 1

    The world's population is six billion and rising exponentially... Every human has two eyes.. Technology allows humans to see many things and many people at once.. People are getting more and more paranoid about things.. So does this mean that one day all privacy will be gone when we hit critial mass?

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  77. Secure communications by lateralus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So here is my idea:

    Could one collect the information streaming from these cameras and use it as a source for random number generation? Over a large number of Webcams the rate of information change must be huge. At any given point you could also single out darkened cams and use their CCD noise too. Doesn't sound too difficult to do (for someone else, someone with brains that is). How would this compare to typing randomly and jiggling my mouse as a source of random numbers?

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    If you outlaw the law, only criminals will have laws
  78. Plain & simple by blah1019 · · Score: 0

    this is a bad idea. Spying on people for the sake of an "expiriment" is nothing more than thinly vailed invasion of privacy.

  79. CCTV in the UK by garyok · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live in Glasgow and we have CCTV cameras throughout the city centre (and quite a bit beyond), checking on us all the time and making us think harder about behaving nicely. If I could see what the folks monitoring the systems could see, I'd be a lot happier about the surveillance.

    Making all the CCTVs in a city centre webcams is the answer to "Who watches the watchers?" We do. If the naughty guard is zooming in on the booty shots or looking in folks windows we can check the time, report it directly, and get them the disciplining they need. It'd be a balance to the one-sided oppressive feeling the current systems engender. I wouldn't need any sort of control over where they were pointed, just being able to check out (whenever I felt like it) what they were watching would be good enough for me.

    It'd bring folks back to the city centre here, too. When they realise how boring it is these days. And they can see the lack of anything happening from the comfort of their desk.

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  80. 10 points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    if you catch people kissing
    20 if they're both gals

  81. They do this is Seattle by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 1

    When I lived in Seattle in teh mid '90s we used to do this.

    The transportation department setup monitors that showed the rate of movement of traffic, and displayed the route across the bridge from Bellvue to Seattle (520 IRRC) - it would show green dots or red dots depending on the speed of traffic, and you could use a couple of cameras along the route as well to see how traffic was.

  82. Webcam #1: The Original CoffeCam by Webmoth · · Score: 1

    No article on webcams would be complete without mentioning the coffeecam, arguably the world's first webcam.

    It came online in November 1993 (the camera was actually put in service late 1991) but sadly, monitored its last pot of coffee on 22 Aug 2001.

    R.I.P., Number One.

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    Give me my freedom, and I'll take care of my own security, thank you.
  83. my favorite cam sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  84. "Project" ? Nothing new here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The original intention of most of these cameras was, indeed, to provide a tool to evaluate traffic congestion (at least, this is what I saw from the links to Pittsburgh cameras). The University of Pittsburgh has had the live cameras for a long time, too, with the cool addition that useras can control the camera. The first time I saw this at Pitt was about four years ago. And now, these guys at CMU are taking the credit for putting all those links together in a webpage and claiming they're developing a "Surveillance of Surveillances' system"... easy, when the hard work of installing and maintaining the cameras has been (is) done by others... (sigh)

  85. NYC by Coneasfast · · Score: 1

    would be neat if we could take the times square video, and set it as desktop background :)

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  86. good luck [was Re:Next reality show] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about this for a sig? "Ten months since unemployment; please feed me? Just look for the guy with a cardboard sign, printed from a nice laser printer." A hint: the typesetting will be perfect.