Keep in mind I'm only using Intel Celery flavored PIII coppermine], with an average load of ~5% CPU utilization for the GUI.
My impressions? It couldn't keep audio, yet alone video going smoothly at 100% CPU utilization. This is with JRE 1.4, as another poster said, perhaps (hopefully) this would be better with version 1.5.
I would hope that they can get this to work on much lesser hardware, because IMO the embedded market is what Java is slowly headed towards. Remeber, Java was originally designed to run on embedded hardware, when Sun realized the embedded market just wasn't there yet, the decided to unleash Java on the internet. This is a very cool technology indeed. No codecs to worry about, no media player to install...just an OS with JRE installed.
As another poster said it seemed to use pretty low CPU utilization under Linux. 30% on a 1.2ghz processor and my lowly 566mhz Coppermine Celeron can't keep up at all? Is the 1.2ghz processor that much faster? It shouldn't be even 200% faster than the PIII (well, better FSB helps I guess)
I got my fileserver, which is a Dell Dimension M166 (as in 166mhz) to recognize a 120 gig hard drive. Its been serving MP3s and acting a jukebox/fileserver ever since. Its pretty amazing that Dell even still supports this old beast. Too bad I could never get it to recognize more than 64 megs of RAM. if anyone reads this and knows how to get it recognize more, please drop me a message!
Try removing forms of "to be" from your speech and see how far you can go without saying "I am," "you are," and "they have." It is nearly impossible, and also very liberating. As you change your speech, you also change your perspective, because language has become our interface to the outside world. There has never been a stronger influence in defining how we percieve our world around us.
To test their flight control algorithms, the group used Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004, running the algorithms for hundreds of hours. They used a SIG Rascal aircraft with a 110" wingspan. The aircraft is 75 ¾" long and weighs thirteen pounds.
Yeah, but how does that test much of anything? I mean, I'm sure they can get these planes to fly a loop or something, but how reliably. Could they do this for hundreds of hours in flight? What happens when the host OS crashes? The control system is not redundant, creating a single point of failure asides from the the engine. Its not like you can just flash the thing while it is in the air, ala Mars Odyssee. I know its just a college project, and some really bright students are behind this, but this just sounds more like a M$ Publicity stunt than anything. I'm sure without corporate funding they wouldn't have chosen XP and.NET first.
Its cool technology, but I don't think that we'll see these things become popular running on XP embedded. Could you imagine a car running on something like this?
There are so many fundamental flaws with uploading the contents of your drive somewhere. What if the employees start taking a stroll through your data while you are not actively using it? What if some hacker figures out your password or circumvents security and decides to download your data? Would you run a business on this concept? I think it is really sad that people just blindly trust technology and don't generally think about its implications if used in a harmful, malicious way.
Also, there is the problem with bandwith. What of your 6+ gig XP and applications install and your 20 gigs of documents? Are you going to tell me that it can update even 10 gigs of stuff in a remotely reasonable time?
Think of the contents of your RAM alone. That can be, well, in my case 256 to 1.5 gigabytes. How long would it take my DSL at 10k/s upstream to send even 256 megs of data to a server? A really long, long time.
This really isn't all that new of an idea. In fact it is a pretty retarded implementation of it, unless they are simply talking about creating a roaming style profile that you can take with you, including your files.
I really did like the one user's comments about how they wish they could just take something like an iPod around and use it to load up their own OS and such. Imagine a flavor of Knoppix you could just load off an iPod. Just plug and play. The network doesn't really need to be loaded down with people uploading and downloading all of their crap constantly. What a complete and total waste of bandwith.
I would increase your RAM to at least 512, preferably 1 gig, as XP tends to eat up a good 256 right at boot. Also, your CPU would not be a huge bottleneck for a newer 3D card, so 1 gig would probably last you for a little while longer. Your biggest bottleneck would probably be AGP (does it support 4-6x on your board?) and your limited FSB which, hopefull is at least 266mhz. You may want to look into seeing if your motherboard supports something faster. I just bought a 1.6ghz AMD Athlon XP 2000+ for like $60 off of Pricewatch a few weeks ago. All it took to recognize the chip was a bios update, you should look into maxing out your CPU if it only costs you like $50-60.
I haven't bought a new CD in ages and none of the money that I give up for used CDs will ever see its way to the artist.
If the RIAA wants to charge $3 a song, go ahead and let them. Hopefully they'll just price themselves out of business.
On that note, I'm going to give a big middle fingered salute to the RIAA and continue downloading all of their music for *FREE* because they obviously care nothing for their customers other than the dollars they rake in every day.
Miles Davis won't see any of my dollars anyways, nor will Thelonious Monk or Johnny Cash.
The more people that quit buying the RIAA's overpriced garbage the sooner they will fall.
Didn't they ever once think that popular music is in a slump and that the fact that CD sales are down have really not a great deal to do with downloaders but a poor economy and the lack of anything remotely decent on the popular charts anymore?
Actually one gallon is 128 ounces.
An average cup of starbucks coffee is 20 ounces.
So 6.4 cups per gallon.
Local starbucks is $1.73 for a large so....
It is only $11.02 per gallon.
That is roughly 50 times cheaper.
I know I have too much time on my hands.
I'd send the scent of a big pile of steaming poo. Of course, I'm sure he's quite used to that smell by now. All SCOs legal documents reek of it.
Can you get in trouble if you mail a boxful of dog poo to someone? Better yet, it should be cat poo, that smells even worse.
I know this is really immature, but what the hell. I'm getting bored here.:)
Who could have possibly modded this piece of flamebait up??!
That "tirade" is not far from the truth and was a nice piece of satire. I hope your karma burns to nothing.
Please do the world a favor and grow up and learn how to intelligently interact with people.
Remeber the green monochrome moniters for the Apple II? With the tilting screen? I use one as a display for my Roland S-550 sampler, circa 1987. I got it at Salvation Army for like $5 and it was MINT. Not a hint of burn in. The sampler I think I paid $30 for. Gotta love the gritty 12-bit sampler. Makes everything sound like its 1987 again. I also have a roland mt-32 I still use and a few other old goodies. But this is becoming offtopic.
zx
I hate to say it, but the robots would have to be cheaper than all the offshoring of production and now even IT jobs to the 3rd world. I am starting to seriously wonder what implications having a country with a weak industrial sector means. A great deal of jobs in the United States right now are service oriented. I think there are staggeringly huge benefits to automating production in industry but I would hope that when it came to various service industries (think food industry), robots would probably not be quite so desirable.
How do you explain to a customer that a bug in the robot caused her hamburger to be raw? Does a robot do the explaining?
I think a lot of you are opposed to robots taking your job, but this would probably be a good thing. People would be needed to maintain the robots and it would probably make a lot of manufacturers extremely rich in the end, which could very well trickle down I guess right? I think a lot of things in the economy are starting to shift in a very particular direction. It will be interesting to see what happens if when most consumers in America are heavily in debt and various industries that thrive on the consumer start falling. How much money can we keep siphoning around and out of the country before this happens?
Hey...its 12:00 and I just woke up. Must.....get.....coffeee......:)
While that is pretty cool, I can't really see how effective this is. I mean, I mostly play role playing games, and for instance I've been playing FFV off and on for the last 2 weeks. (Never got around to playing it until recently) I used to only rent games back in the day if I was really interested in trying them out and would later buy them. I don't want a solution (if this could be considered one) that forces me to pay over and over again just to play a game. I want to be able to come back 5 years from now and play FF1-6 all over again just for the hell of it.
Not only that, but I don't see how this is beneficial to anyone but Console Classix. They are providing a ROM image (the legalities of that are very questionable) and making money off something that most people can download with a few searches on google. Is this beneficial to the players? I don't really see how. It would be a whole lot different if somebody like Enix Squaresoft decided to open a ROM store.
Just can't really say I'm all that impressed with the idea.
Hey......why the troll? This was the only post that contained more than 3 lines so far and actually had some valid points.....
Some people with higher scores said far less and certainly sounded less intelligent.
Plus I mentioned Vib Ribbon, don't I even get a cookie?:)
I hate saying it, but I think someone should probably bring up this up.
When Final Fantasy V and VI were released for PSX I was really excited. A friend of mine had a copy and I immediately set out to play FFVI for the first time. (Yeah, I missed the FF SNES boat) I thought it was totally great for a while, until I started to hate waiting for the CD to load a random battle. This is especially bad when you get into one every 2-3 steps. Then waiting 4 seconds to load the menu started to completely drive me crazy. What you sloppy programmers couldn't give the emu enough RAM to store the menu?
I ended up downloading some roms (which is illegal, yes I'm not saying it isn't) and playing FFVI on my computer. What a difference. It was like night and day. Absoluately no loading time and the music is about 100% better than the horrible mess that the PSX version would output.
As far as I am concerned Squaresoft has made their money over and over again on these classics and I've bought countless PSX and a few SNES games from them over the years. FF1 was probably one of my all time favorite NES games, and I pissed my pants on a beautiful Christmas day when I opened that box. (What can I say? Nintendo Power had me all hyped up....somethings never change)
You guys should play these classics the way they were supposed to be, in their original form. You can really see how much they have improved the series since ints first game. I don't understand the need for new graphics or anything and it really takes some of the magic out when everything is rehashed or upgraded. FMVs to start FFVI with? They should have spent more time just making the game truer to its original form.
Nobody else mentioned the GP32 either....and I think everyone should check this little marvel out. I would imagine that with time and patience some really good SNES emus will come out for it over the next year or so. I think there is one so far (or maybe two) and it is really showing a lot of promise, but needs some help in the speed area. A 128mb flash card would easily hold every single FF game up until VI and would have room for a few other square classics. (Maybe the whole SNES collection)
It should also be mentioned that fan translations have brought countless classics to our language that would never ever have been otherwise. So if all this emulation stuff is such a bad thing, consider that such gems as Live-A-Live, Bahumut Lagoon, Seiken Denetsu III, and so many others would never have been enjoyed by the non japanese.
I usually don't advocate piracy, but there are so many games you can't really find anymore on cartridge. Chrono Trigger routinely gets $75-$100 on e-bay for the cart, and Sqaresoft doesn't see one dime of this anyways. I think it would be a lot wiser for companies to take all their old roms and sell them for like $10 a piece or something. It would certainly make tracking them down a hell of a lot easier at least.:)
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Keep in mind I'm only using Intel Celery flavored PIII coppermine], with an average load of ~5% CPU utilization for the GUI.
My impressions? It couldn't keep audio, yet alone video going smoothly at 100% CPU utilization. This is with JRE 1.4, as another poster said, perhaps (hopefully) this would be better with version 1.5.
I would hope that they can get this to work on much lesser hardware, because IMO the embedded market is what Java is slowly headed towards. Remeber, Java was originally designed to run on embedded hardware, when Sun realized the embedded market just wasn't there yet, the decided to unleash Java on the internet. This is a very cool technology indeed. No codecs to worry about, no media player to install...just an OS with JRE installed.
As another poster said it seemed to use pretty low CPU utilization under Linux. 30% on a 1.2ghz processor and my lowly 566mhz Coppermine Celeron can't keep up at all? Is the 1.2ghz processor that much faster? It shouldn't be even 200% faster than the PIII (well, better FSB helps I guess)
Just some thoughts from the sidelines...
zosX
z o s @ l i n u x m a i l . o r g
I'd love an invite...been trying to get one for a while now!!
If you reply, thanks so much!!
zosX
Oh, I did do a BIOS upgrade. In case anyone was wondering. Such an old box would never recognize such a modern drive normally. :)
That's nothing.
I got my fileserver, which is a Dell Dimension M166 (as in 166mhz) to recognize a 120 gig hard drive. Its been serving MP3s and acting a jukebox/fileserver ever since. Its pretty amazing that Dell even still supports this old beast. Too bad I could never get it to recognize more than 64 megs of RAM. if anyone reads this and knows how to get it recognize more, please drop me a message!
zosX
Language is a virus.
Try removing forms of "to be" from your speech and see how far you can go without saying "I am," "you are," and "they have." It is nearly impossible, and also very liberating. As you change your speech, you also change your perspective, because language has become our interface to the outside world. There has never been a stronger influence in defining how we percieve our world around us.
zosX
To test their flight control algorithms, the group used Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004, running the algorithms for hundreds of hours. They used a SIG Rascal aircraft with a 110" wingspan. The aircraft is 75 ¾" long and weighs thirteen pounds.
Yeah, but how does that test much of anything? I mean, I'm sure they can get these planes to fly a loop or something, but how reliably. Could they do this for hundreds of hours in flight? What happens when the host OS crashes? The control system is not redundant, creating a single point of failure asides from the the engine. Its not like you can just flash the thing while it is in the air, ala Mars Odyssee. I know its just a college project, and some really bright students are behind this, but this just sounds more like a M$ Publicity stunt than anything. I'm sure without corporate funding they wouldn't have chosen XP and .NET first.
Its cool technology, but I don't think that we'll see these things become popular running on XP embedded. Could you imagine a car running on something like this?
Well, I wish them luck!zosX
Someone send an invitation my way, please. (zos@linux[nospam]mail.org)
I'd be willing to trade something even!(software, music, something along those lines)
Thanks!
Just take off the tinfoil hat. :)
There are so many fundamental flaws with uploading the contents of your drive somewhere. What if the employees start taking a stroll through your data while you are not actively using it? What if some hacker figures out your password or circumvents security and decides to download your data? Would you run a business on this concept? I think it is really sad that people just blindly trust technology and don't generally think about its implications if used in a harmful, malicious way.
Also, there is the problem with bandwith. What of your 6+ gig XP and applications install and your 20 gigs of documents? Are you going to tell me that it can update even 10 gigs of stuff in a remotely reasonable time?
Think of the contents of your RAM alone. That can be, well, in my case 256 to 1.5 gigabytes. How long would it take my DSL at 10k/s upstream to send even 256 megs of data to a server? A really long, long time.
This really isn't all that new of an idea. In fact it is a pretty retarded implementation of it, unless they are simply talking about creating a roaming style profile that you can take with you, including your files.
I really did like the one user's comments about how they wish they could just take something like an iPod around and use it to load up their own OS and such. Imagine a flavor of Knoppix you could just load off an iPod. Just plug and play. The network doesn't really need to be loaded down with people uploading and downloading all of their crap constantly. What a complete and total waste of bandwith.
Sorry, just some counter points and my $.23.
And I haven't had coffee yet!
> Haven't you read the "How to Troll" posts or something? That's the lamest attempt I've seen on slashdot yet.
How does asking simple legal questions amount to a troll? Really, please pray tell.
Thanks!
So what are the legal implications of writing viruses?
Could the DMCA be evoked in such a case?
Or is it only illegal when they are executed and allowed to spread to the wild?
Just some questions.
Feel free to respond, thanks.
I j-j-j-ust drank-k-k a-ll thirteeeen-n-n at once-ce-ce-ce aaaand-d let meeeee tell-l-l-l you I wouldn't-t-t-t recomend it!
*thud*
Sooooo....
;)
How much did you smoke before you popped that movie in?
I would increase your RAM to at least 512, preferably 1 gig, as XP tends to eat up a good 256 right at boot. Also, your CPU would not be a huge bottleneck for a newer 3D card, so 1 gig would probably last you for a little while longer. Your biggest bottleneck would probably be AGP (does it support 4-6x on your board?) and your limited FSB which, hopefull is at least 266mhz. You may want to look into seeing if your motherboard supports something faster. I just bought a 1.6ghz AMD Athlon XP 2000+ for like $60 off of Pricewatch a few weeks ago. All it took to recognize the chip was a bios update, you should look into maxing out your CPU if it only costs you like $50-60.
Hope this answers your question!
What's love got to do with it?
Sorry, Couldn't resist.
I haven't bought a new CD in ages and none of the money that I give up for used CDs will ever see its way to the artist.
If the RIAA wants to charge $3 a song, go ahead and let them. Hopefully they'll just price themselves out of business.
On that note, I'm going to give a big middle fingered salute to the RIAA and continue downloading all of their music for *FREE* because they obviously care nothing for their customers other than the dollars they rake in every day.
Miles Davis won't see any of my dollars anyways, nor will Thelonious Monk or Johnny Cash.
The more people that quit buying the RIAA's overpriced garbage the sooner they will fall.
Didn't they ever once think that popular music is in a slump and that the fact that CD sales are down have really not a great deal to do with downloaders but a poor economy and the lack of anything remotely decent on the popular charts anymore?
Actually one gallon is 128 ounces. An average cup of starbucks coffee is 20 ounces. So 6.4 cups per gallon. Local starbucks is $1.73 for a large so.... It is only $11.02 per gallon. That is roughly 50 times cheaper. I know I have too much time on my hands.
I'd send the scent of a big pile of steaming poo. Of course, I'm sure he's quite used to that smell by now. All SCOs legal documents reek of it. Can you get in trouble if you mail a boxful of dog poo to someone? Better yet, it should be cat poo, that smells even worse. I know this is really immature, but what the hell. I'm getting bored here. :)
Who could have possibly modded this piece of flamebait up??! That "tirade" is not far from the truth and was a nice piece of satire. I hope your karma burns to nothing. Please do the world a favor and grow up and learn how to intelligently interact with people.
Remeber the green monochrome moniters for the Apple II? With the tilting screen? I use one as a display for my Roland S-550 sampler, circa 1987. I got it at Salvation Army for like $5 and it was MINT. Not a hint of burn in. The sampler I think I paid $30 for. Gotta love the gritty 12-bit sampler. Makes everything sound like its 1987 again. I also have a roland mt-32 I still use and a few other old goodies. But this is becoming offtopic. zx
Since when is violence qualify as a genre? I'm still waiting for the surrealist games....
I hate to say it, but the robots would have to be cheaper than all the offshoring of production and now even IT jobs to the 3rd world. I am starting to seriously wonder what implications having a country with a weak industrial sector means. A great deal of jobs in the United States right now are service oriented. I think there are staggeringly huge benefits to automating production in industry but I would hope that when it came to various service industries (think food industry), robots would probably not be quite so desirable.
:)
How do you explain to a customer that a bug in the robot caused her hamburger to be raw? Does a robot do the explaining?
I think a lot of you are opposed to robots taking your job, but this would probably be a good thing.
People would be needed to maintain the robots and it would probably make a lot of manufacturers extremely rich in the end, which could very well trickle down I guess right? I think a lot of things in the economy are starting to shift in a very particular direction. It will be interesting to see what happens if when most consumers in America are heavily in debt and various industries that thrive on the consumer start falling. How much money can we keep siphoning around and out of the country before this happens?
Hey...its 12:00 and I just woke up. Must.....get.....coffeee......
While that is pretty cool, I can't really see how effective this is. I mean, I mostly play role playing games, and for instance I've been playing FFV off and on for the last 2 weeks. (Never got around to playing it until recently) I used to only rent games back in the day if I was really interested in trying them out and would later buy them. I don't want a solution (if this could be considered one) that forces me to pay over and over again just to play a game. I want to be able to come back 5 years from now and play FF1-6 all over again just for the hell of it.
Not only that, but I don't see how this is beneficial to anyone but Console Classix. They are providing a ROM image (the legalities of that are very questionable) and making money off something that most people can download with a few searches on google. Is this beneficial to the players? I don't really see how. It would be a whole lot different if somebody like Enix Squaresoft decided to open a ROM store.
Just can't really say I'm all that impressed with the idea.
Hey......why the troll? This was the only post that contained more than 3 lines so far and actually had some valid points..... Some people with higher scores said far less and certainly sounded less intelligent. Plus I mentioned Vib Ribbon, don't I even get a cookie? :)
I hate saying it, but I think someone should probably bring up this up.
:)
When Final Fantasy V and VI were released for PSX I was really excited. A friend of mine had a copy and I immediately set out to play FFVI for the first time. (Yeah, I missed the FF SNES boat) I thought it was totally great for a while, until I started to hate waiting for the CD to load a random battle. This is especially bad when you get into one every 2-3 steps. Then waiting 4 seconds to load the menu started to completely drive me crazy. What you sloppy programmers couldn't give the emu enough RAM to store the menu?
I ended up downloading some roms (which is illegal, yes I'm not saying it isn't) and playing FFVI on my computer. What a difference. It was like night and day. Absoluately no loading time and the music is about 100% better than the horrible mess that the PSX version would output.
As far as I am concerned Squaresoft has made their money over and over again on these classics and I've bought countless PSX and a few SNES games from them over the years. FF1 was probably one of my all time favorite NES games, and I pissed my pants on a beautiful Christmas day when I opened that box. (What can I say? Nintendo Power had me all hyped up....somethings never change)
You guys should play these classics the way they were supposed to be, in their original form. You can really see how much they have improved the series since ints first game. I don't understand the need for new graphics or anything and it really takes some of the magic out when everything is rehashed or upgraded. FMVs to start FFVI with? They should have spent more time just making the game truer to its original form.
Nobody else mentioned the GP32 either....and I think everyone should check this little marvel out. I would imagine that with time and patience some really good SNES emus will come out for it over the next year or so. I think there is one so far (or maybe two) and it is really showing a lot of promise, but needs some help in the speed area. A 128mb flash card would easily hold every single FF game up until VI and would have room for a few other square classics. (Maybe the whole SNES collection)
It should also be mentioned that fan translations have brought countless classics to our language that would never ever have been otherwise. So if all this emulation stuff is such a bad thing, consider that such gems as Live-A-Live, Bahumut Lagoon, Seiken Denetsu III, and so many others would never have been enjoyed by the non japanese.
I usually don't advocate piracy, but there are so many games you can't really find anymore on cartridge. Chrono Trigger routinely gets $75-$100 on e-bay for the cart, and Sqaresoft doesn't see one dime of this anyways. I think it would be a lot wiser for companies to take all their old roms and sell them for like $10 a piece or something. It would certainly make tracking them down a hell of a lot easier at least.