On the PII laptop, I get various GCC coredumps, One the Celeron Fileserver, I get Errors during Make_Modules, on the PIV, it completes, but kernel panics when you use the image.
It's from using the install tree that came with the distribution, and it's from getting the latest stable tree from Kernel.org
This is with minimum Makefiles, full make files, 'make oldconfig' makefiles, I've yet to get one that'll work.
Oh, and the distribution is RH8
All I wanted was the ability to mount (RO) an NTFS partition, which ISN'T compiled onto RedHat's kernel by default. Surfing around, I found another pre-compiled kernel that FUBU's during the RPM install. (RPM -iv blah.rpm - error - RPM -iv blah.rpm - blah.rpm already installed.)
And this is all with READING THE FREE DOX and compiling the available code.
And I'm sure very few other people had this problem.
And you've missed the point entirely. By your same arguement, I haven't seen the support issues you're describing.
Purchasing server grade hardware, server grade operating systems and server grade support, I haven't seen these BSOD's your talking about. Nor do I have any machines (or workflow issues) sitting idle because I can't access Microsoft's code.
I DO have a few machines that can't recompile a kernel to save their lives. Take the exact goddamn makefile and code tree, and it's compiling on my P4 desktop, but not the Celeron fileserver OR the PII 266 laptop.
It's all about perception, dude, don't tell me your shit don't stink.
The only references I'm going to spend the time are from personal experience. Having managed BOTH Microsoft AND Un*ices, they BOTH have their strong and weak points.
They're both mature enough that they both solve most problems equally well (assuming clueful administration), and NEITHER are without their strengths and ideosyncrasies.
You can make a fast Mustang and a fast Camaro and only an idiot can't be convinced that's the truth.
We've all encountered the fact that MSFT products just aren't documented or the documentation is inadequate or just plain wrong. We've all encountered mysterious Blue Screens of Death. We've all encountered Windows 95 and 98 machines that are dying of cruft buildup. We've all encountered "magic" GUI applications that don't have a command line counterpart.
We've all encountered Samba, Sendmail, and Kernel panics too. We've encountered varying ways of bringing up Runlevels, frontends that configure stuff, but you don't know WHERE it configures 'em.
Pot, I'd like you to meet kettle, BTW, you're both black.
Oh, and the theme tune was a big let down, too. Definitely not in the same category as Bond films of yesteryear. Don't get me wrong, it's a decent film, and worth seeing
Have you seen many Bond films in the theatre in the past? a BUNCH of them left me with that 'eh, it was okay entertainment' aftertaste. Bond is the perfect 70% demographic franchise. Since it doesn't aleniate by being too intelligent, nor too stupid, it makes a ton of money.
My brain inserted 'household' between Common and products. I got real excited when I thought something like Lemon Plegde would allow me to store more data on a DVD...
...kinda like taking a hole punch to a SSDD 5 1/4 floppy.
(ya see, when _I_ was your age, floppy disks were actually bigger, and floppy, not 3.5" on a side and 'stiff')
You're also neglecting the appliances: ipods, Xboxes, PVRs all have Harddisks too.
Between my laptop, fileserver and workhorse, plus the other oddball products, I've got 7 drives a spinnin. and three or four in a box somewhere that were too small to continue using.
That said, i've NEVER had a drive fail that I didn't addicently cause myself. I've had a few with niosy bearings, but have found that as long as I didn't power cycle the machine they were in, they continued to run faultlessly.
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Thank you for your interest in Movielink. We want you to take part in the powerful Internet movie rental experience that Movielink delivers, but it is presently unavailable to users outside of the United States. "
I guess Denver, Colorado isn't a part of the US. (Or AT&T Broadband, either.)
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Nice. When your tranny goes out, you'll wanna search the sy/ty list for Brian Hartman. He's helping my rebuild _my_ transmission after the motor took it out.;)
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500 crank torque, 475 hp. NA according to the dynojet and a 18% driveline loss. Then I've got a little button that can add another 200 if you'd like.:)
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One of my Automatic vettes puts out more torque than every car you've ever owned, I'd bet. I pretty much don't care if you think I'm credible or not.:P
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"vette's are low-end muscle cars."
Um, WHICH YEAR vettes are you discussing? Vettes have become a much different beast in the last 10 years or so.
"consider an old cobra"
I'd rather not. but that's just IMHO.
"I've done a sustained 200mph (sea level) on a slightly tricked out GSXR, with sligtly less than 150hp (wheel, not crank). 600 is way too high for this vehicle."
Real or indicated? almost all vehicles are calibrated so that 60mph is 60mph, above that, accuracy is _wildly_ divergent. About all I can say about doing 200 on a cycle is: Cleaning up the wreckage should be pretty easy.
(Just so you know I'm not a number quoting fanboy, I'll let my homepage speak for itself: http://www.millerville.cc)
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Thinner air doesn't affect the drag so much as reduce the amount of air that react with fuel.
That's why turbo/superchargers and NOS are all so very popular.
First, but only for a few weeks
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HP/Compaq has been touting fingerprint security on it's upcoming High-end iPAQ for a few months now...
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While I'm all for power to weight ratio, and the Gixxer/Hayabusa/et. al. are SERIOUSLY impressive in those respects, You'll not catch me driving that fast with zero protection.
I had a conversation with a biker, it went a long the lines of:
Biker Dude: "You car drivers aren't extereme enough."
Me: "Well, I'll give up the ultimate acceleration for safety and the ability to drive on sand"
Biker Dude: "It don't matter man, you're a wuss. If I go out, it'll be in a blaze of glory!"
Me: "For your sake, I hope so. If you're only winged, you get to live with the pain for a loooong time. Isn't that right, Rob?"
Rob (bigtime motorcyle guy turned Vette fan) nods. He's had back problems for YEARS as a result of laying down a bike at the wrong time.
And vettes _can_ be competitive against even Zukis: http://www.racingfreaks.net/archive.html
Now, a _blacklight_ led, THAT'D be cool! (Where's my disco ball and old skool rollerskates?)
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I'd rtfa but the bugger's slashdotted.
be that as it may, it's _extremely_ difficult to make a vechicle do 200mph sustained. You can do it one of two ways:
a)Serious Cubic Horsepower
b)Serious Aerodynamic design
If you choose 'a' above, be prepared to generate 600+ hp, also be prepared to protect your occupant when the vehicle loses directonal stability.
If you choose 'b' above, you may be able to get along with significantly less hp (400-500), but be prepared to spend cubic dollars renting a wind tunnel, or hardware/software to perform a lot of number crunching.
Remember, HP goes up with the _cube_ of speed change. If your car does 150mph with a 215hp motor (Turbo Neon, this month's Road n track) and you want it to go 1.33 times faster, it'll take 1.33^3*215hp or 505hp to make 200 mph...
An additional datapoint: My vette has done 168mph with 350 crank hp (automatic, nevada, coupla thousand feet above sealevel, so figure some hp loss there.) So a.29 Cd vehicle, with a TON of aero work can do this pretty calmly. Take that exact same envelope to 195 or so and it's aerodynamics are no longer adequate to task, it's gets pretty hairy handling. (and takes 575 hp...more than the neon because it punches a bigger hole in the air, and there are differences in driveline efficency and gearing)
It looks like a way for the industry to kickstart a lot of $2000 laptop sales. The hardware changes are minor ($20 WACOM custom controller, $1 hinge), and the software is good, but of a 'utility' level of capability.
After seeing what kind of laptop $1100 bought my mom (13" display, 30gb, 256mb, combo drive), this seems like a ploy to sell more $2000 laptops.
Not only do you STILL see parts of the Ads. I'm finding that I still watch the commercials I want to. (mmmmm 4 disk Lord of the Rings DVD - November 12th) Further, it's easy to forget you're watching something pre-recorded and you end up watching the commercials anyway.
It doesn't dull that crack-whore-rapid-fire hitting of the +30 seconds button when you're watchin live T.V. though.
Their low end unit, including installation of a _third_ dish (to get the sat that'll carry the bulk of thier HDTV programming) cost me $200.
That's for the 501 model...(up to 30 hour recording capacity), but there AREN'T ANY 501's anymore. They give you the 508 which has a 80gb drive good for about 60 hours of recording.
I don't have a thumbsup/thunmbs down button, but that MAY not be a bad thing. We're watching more TV now than we did before getting the PVR AND it's stuff we want to watch.
Jeebus Cripes! These guys whip up a Cool Hack(tm) with scrounged materials, make it work and add to the collective abilities of Gstreamer and all you have to say is 'it looks crappy'.
What a bunch of hypocrites. The fact that the monitors can be swapped out after a proof of concept, and that you've got the power of four CPU's available (Beo-mumble) is completely lost on you guys.
And I've figured there'd be at least ONE MPAA crack from somebody.
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On the PII laptop, I get various GCC coredumps, One the Celeron Fileserver, I get Errors during Make_Modules, on the PIV, it completes, but kernel panics when you use the image. It's from using the install tree that came with the distribution, and it's from getting the latest stable tree from Kernel.org This is with minimum Makefiles, full make files, 'make oldconfig' makefiles, I've yet to get one that'll work. Oh, and the distribution is RH8 All I wanted was the ability to mount (RO) an NTFS partition, which ISN'T compiled onto RedHat's kernel by default. Surfing around, I found another pre-compiled kernel that FUBU's during the RPM install. (RPM -iv blah.rpm - error - RPM -iv blah.rpm - blah.rpm already installed.) And this is all with READING THE FREE DOX and compiling the available code. And I'm sure very few other people had this problem.
Then make me a foe. :P
And you've missed the point entirely. By your same arguement, I haven't seen the support issues you're describing.
Purchasing server grade hardware, server grade operating systems and server grade support, I haven't seen these BSOD's your talking about. Nor do I have any machines (or workflow issues) sitting idle because I can't access Microsoft's code.
I DO have a few machines that can't recompile a kernel to save their lives. Take the exact goddamn makefile and code tree, and it's compiling on my P4 desktop, but not the Celeron fileserver OR the PII 266 laptop.
It's all about perception, dude, don't tell me your shit don't stink.
The only references I'm going to spend the time are from personal experience. Having managed BOTH Microsoft AND Un*ices, they BOTH have their strong and weak points.
They're both mature enough that they both solve most problems equally well (assuming clueful administration), and NEITHER are without their strengths and ideosyncrasies.
You can make a fast Mustang and a fast Camaro and only an idiot can't be convinced that's the truth.
We've all encountered Samba, Sendmail, and Kernel panics too. We've encountered varying ways of bringing up Runlevels, frontends that configure stuff, but you don't know WHERE it configures 'em.
Pot, I'd like you to meet kettle, BTW, you're both black.Ya, sure, especially if I can salvage the laser Hub-caps.
/me thinks about the Z8 in the last flick.
Besides, how many cars HASN'T he wrecked?
Have you seen many Bond films in the theatre in the past? a BUNCH of them left me with that 'eh, it was okay entertainment' aftertaste. Bond is the perfect 70% demographic franchise. Since it doesn't aleniate by being too intelligent, nor too stupid, it makes a ton of money.
That said, I want his car...
Ah, but there will never be a ASCI Indian, or ASCI flesh, sadly.
Is a chainsaw, so you can get medieval on it when it gains consciousness and tries to take over the world.
My brain inserted 'household' between Common and products. I got real excited when I thought something like Lemon Plegde would allow me to store more data on a DVD...
...kinda like taking a hole punch to a SSDD 5 1/4 floppy.
(ya see, when _I_ was your age, floppy disks were actually bigger, and floppy, not 3.5" on a side and 'stiff')
You're also neglecting the appliances: ipods, Xboxes, PVRs all have Harddisks too.
Between my laptop, fileserver and workhorse, plus the other oddball products, I've got 7 drives a spinnin. and three or four in a box somewhere that were too small to continue using.
That said, i've NEVER had a drive fail that I didn't addicently cause myself. I've had a few with niosy bearings, but have found that as long as I didn't power cycle the machine they were in, they continued to run faultlessly.
"
Thank you for your interest in Movielink. We want you to take part in the powerful Internet movie rental experience that Movielink delivers, but it is presently unavailable to users outside of the United States. "
I guess Denver, Colorado isn't a part of the US. (Or AT&T Broadband, either.)
Nice. When your tranny goes out, you'll wanna search the sy/ty list for Brian Hartman. He's helping my rebuild _my_ transmission after the motor took it out. ;)
500 crank torque, 475 hp. NA according to the dynojet and a 18% driveline loss. Then I've got a little button that can add another 200 if you'd like. :)
One of my Automatic vettes puts out more torque than every car you've ever owned, I'd bet. I pretty much don't care if you think I'm credible or not. :P
"vette's are low-end muscle cars."
Um, WHICH YEAR vettes are you discussing? Vettes have become a much different beast in the last 10 years or so.
"consider an old cobra"
I'd rather not. but that's just IMHO.
"I've done a sustained 200mph (sea level) on a slightly tricked out GSXR, with sligtly less than 150hp (wheel, not crank). 600 is way too high for this vehicle."
Real or indicated? almost all vehicles are calibrated so that 60mph is 60mph, above that, accuracy is _wildly_ divergent. About all I can say about doing 200 on a cycle is: Cleaning up the wreckage should be pretty easy.
(Just so you know I'm not a number quoting fanboy, I'll let my homepage speak for itself: http://www.millerville.cc)
Thinner air doesn't affect the drag so much as reduce the amount of air that react with fuel.
That's why turbo/superchargers and NOS are all so very popular.
HP/Compaq has been touting fingerprint security on it's upcoming High-end iPAQ for a few months now...
While I'm all for power to weight ratio, and the Gixxer/Hayabusa/et. al. are SERIOUSLY impressive in those respects, You'll not catch me driving that fast with zero protection.
I had a conversation with a biker, it went a long the lines of:
Biker Dude: "You car drivers aren't extereme enough."
Me: "Well, I'll give up the ultimate acceleration for safety and the ability to drive on sand"
Biker Dude: "It don't matter man, you're a wuss. If I go out, it'll be in a blaze of glory!"
Me: "For your sake, I hope so. If you're only winged, you get to live with the pain for a loooong time. Isn't that right, Rob?"
Rob (bigtime motorcyle guy turned Vette fan) nods. He's had back problems for YEARS as a result of laying down a bike at the wrong time.
And vettes _can_ be competitive against even Zukis: http://www.racingfreaks.net/archive.html
Now, a _blacklight_ led, THAT'D be cool! (Where's my disco ball and old skool rollerskates?)
I'd rtfa but the bugger's slashdotted.
.29 Cd vehicle, with a TON of aero work can do this pretty calmly. Take that exact same envelope to 195 or so and it's aerodynamics are no longer adequate to task, it's gets pretty hairy handling. (and takes 575 hp...more than the neon because it punches a bigger hole in the air, and there are differences in driveline efficency and gearing)
;)
be that as it may, it's _extremely_ difficult to make a vechicle do 200mph sustained. You can do it one of two ways:
a)Serious Cubic Horsepower
b)Serious Aerodynamic design
If you choose 'a' above, be prepared to generate 600+ hp, also be prepared to protect your occupant when the vehicle loses directonal stability.
If you choose 'b' above, you may be able to get along with significantly less hp (400-500), but be prepared to spend cubic dollars renting a wind tunnel, or hardware/software to perform a lot of number crunching.
Remember, HP goes up with the _cube_ of speed change. If your car does 150mph with a 215hp motor (Turbo Neon, this month's Road n track) and you want it to go 1.33 times faster, it'll take 1.33^3*215hp or 505hp to make 200 mph...
An additional datapoint: My vette has done 168mph with 350 crank hp (automatic, nevada, coupla thousand feet above sealevel, so figure some hp loss there.) So a
You go ahead, I'll watch from a safe distance.
It looks like a way for the industry to kickstart a lot of $2000 laptop sales. The hardware changes are minor ($20 WACOM custom controller, $1 hinge), and the software is good, but of a 'utility' level of capability.
After seeing what kind of laptop $1100 bought my mom (13" display, 30gb, 256mb, combo drive), this seems like a ploy to sell more $2000 laptops.
Not only do you STILL see parts of the Ads. I'm finding that I still watch the commercials I want to. (mmmmm 4 disk Lord of the Rings DVD - November 12th) Further, it's easy to forget you're watching something pre-recorded and you end up watching the commercials anyway.
It doesn't dull that crack-whore-rapid-fire hitting of the +30 seconds button when you're watchin live T.V. though.
Their low end unit, including installation of a _third_ dish (to get the sat that'll carry the bulk of thier HDTV programming) cost me $200.
That's for the 501 model...(up to 30 hour recording capacity), but there AREN'T ANY 501's anymore. They give you the 508 which has a 80gb drive good for about 60 hours of recording.
I don't have a thumbsup/thunmbs down button, but that MAY not be a bad thing. We're watching more TV now than we did before getting the PVR AND it's stuff we want to watch.
Jeebus Cripes! These guys whip up a Cool Hack(tm) with scrounged materials, make it work and add to the collective abilities of Gstreamer and all you have to say is 'it looks crappy'.
What a bunch of hypocrites. The fact that the monitors can be swapped out after a proof of concept, and that you've got the power of four CPU's available (Beo-mumble) is completely lost on you guys.
And I've figured there'd be at least ONE MPAA crack from somebody.