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It's all legal mumbo jumbo anyway that I really don't very much care about, nor do I have any real interest in doing so.
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The Mplayer team has no respect for copyright law and continues to violate the law.
The way I see it, that's ok. Most of the team is from Hungray I believe, probably where they don't have software patents, so why should they care when they just want to make the best player out there. Without mplayer other projects wouldn't be where they are today. They might not have done all the greatest code breaking etc to play certain formats, but they were the first to encorporate them, allowing the playback of Sorenson encoded quicktime files, real audio/video file, vp3, etc. I think Xine allows they playback of these files too, but it's uses MPlayer's win32 codecs that they distribute!
It would be nice if someone would get ahold of the MPlayer code now and fork it. Splitting off the offending code into modules, so countries with software patents can distibute binaries. I'd do it myself, but I'm too busy rewriting Linux.
I liked midtown madness 1 & 2, although 2 was ruined for me by not working right with the latest nvidia drivers which I needed installed for other games to work, so that game got shelved all too quickly.
The last NFS game I played I was just annoyed and dissapointed with. I did like the wide and open roads of original NFS, the freedom to do what you wanted. The the new ones are cramped, with specific objectives:
- Race this course and get away from the cops to win and unlock the next map. - now pull over this many cars in this timelimit to unlock the next map.
They try to make it intesting with objectives, but objectives aren't what makes the game fun, at least for me. It was coming up with my own objectives, competing against friends, etc. Original NFS kept records by names, I don't remember the newer ones doing that... Maybe they do, but it's been done, give me something different--that doesn't suck.
I just wanted to drive and have fun; not drive the same course over and over until I got it right. I guess that's another thing I hate, having to do the same thing over and over again at nauseum. That's work, not play.
Well of course the graphics for the original NFS aren't as crisp as the newer ones, but they were better. It didn't have town after mini town that you go thru, the original had forests, etc. Plus as the other post said, the physics were better. I remember the coures on the NFS demo was amazing, you'd rip around a corner too fast and you'd could actually flip over, crash, etc, something that doesn't happen in the newer ones. In the newer ones you just dink aganst the side of the guard rail, which would slow you down a fraction of a second.
There are many other reasons that I liked the original NFS better, the realistic graphics were one of them.
Original NFS also did have freedom of gameplay as madeus mentioned. I remember my roomate and I would spend countless hours driving each course as fast as possible to beat the other persons record for top speed, time, etc. The top speed record was always one of the funniest, because if you wanted that prize you had to be able to wreck something fierce, because you needed to push it and never back down, even for that hairpin turn that's comming up, which always led to hilarious crashes. We spent tons of time just to see who could crash the best as well. Just a few more examples of why I enjoyed NFS.
Which inadvertantly brings me to another point, one reason I probably did like NFS so well, is that it was a break thru game, sure there were racing games before that, but none even CLOSE to as detailed or as realistic (at least that I played). Sure you can crash in games now, but it's already been done, and it's no longer unique new and fun.
Most games have lost originality now, they're afraid to break away from their precious formulae that make them the big bucks, which is understandable, since it takes a lot more to produce a game these days.
Sure I'm getting older, but I still enjoy games, I play Q3F still about every day, because it's a great teamplay game, great gameplay, great graphics, good friendly competition with people I know, etc. It's unique because of the small but skilled community of people that still play it. When you play counter strike, BF1942 desert combat, sure they have the potential to be just as fun, but the communities are huge, I rarely see the same person twice, it's all so impersonal, that and the gameply on Desert Combat is arguably.... well, cheap.
And yes I'm not afraid to admit it, I like pretty graphics with my game (I continue to get shit for that statement, but I'm used to it), it's what makes a good game great. Maybe I am getting more critical of games. Games of today aren't really that much different from games of yesterday, I guess with the better graphics and better everything else could come better gameplay and all those things that make a game fun. I guess they are, but slowly.
But really what else is there besides sports games? There's strategy, but those are few and far between now it seems. There's strategy/puzzle. There's 3rd person action games, but those are always all so different, you kinda have to take those on a case by case basis.
So I guess to recap, I pretty much hate all sports games which seems to be 80% of the current console game market, FPSes without a mouse (read as, on a console), and any games that is impossible to play a quick 30 minute game. I avoid stuff like Medeival: Total Warfare, Civilization, Simcity, The Sims, etc, because you can't just play it for 30 minutes, it takes hours to get in your groove.
And that's why I don't bother with game console anymore. I dislike Sport and most sports games, they never interested me. FPSs suck on consoles if you have a nice PC with a mouse. As for RTSs, what RTS games are there for consoles? Most of the ones I can think of are the PC... Online... eh, my PC is online already and I've never really been much for one on one competition anyway, especially with someone I don't know. Online RPGs? Can you say timesink? No thanks.
Some of the racing games seem kinda neat, but they always go overboard. I don't want to fucking spend hours upon hours tweaking my car and driving the same damn course shaving a fraction of a second off my time, nor do I want to run from cops or whatever. The original Need For Speed was the ultimate driving game, there were some cops, ya, but they were easy enough to outrun it wasn't a big deal, and you could turn them off anyway. You could just hop in a car and go driving on a beatiful course, the recent NFS games are just over the top with scenery, and so impressive with visuals to the point that it doesn't even look real. Oh and the original Road Rash (for the Genesis maybe?) was also an awesome game without going over the top as well.
Sometimes I just long for the days of the Paralax Scroller that I was so accustomed to with my Amiga and NES. I love the SIMPLE RPGs and the early Final Fantasy games. I don't want a game that's so complex that I dread even trying to figure it out. It's so hard to find a game that I like these days that if I find one, (Quake3, Q3F, Dungeon Seige, BF1942, the latest RTS) that I just stick to that until I stumble upon something else I like...
I wish he woulda told that to my Linux box which got rebooted by accident by hitting those keys. I got pissed, switched my monitor over to my other machine, slammed the keyboard back up against the wall where I kept it, and hear: *beep*, see floppy activity, cdrom light flicks a bit... shit....
Yeah, and where does that leave the free clients? Back in the dust. If they were really interested in keeping it open, they couldn't have blocked anything, and would release an SDK that developers could use as a guideline for connecting their clients to them. Well they still might release an SDK, but it'll cost ya for sure.
Well the recent Yahoo block convinced my girlfriend to stop using it and switch to ICQ, since she shouldn't talk to me any longer since I was running Gaim, and her dad runs ICQ as well. Now Gaim has since restored connectivity to Yahoo, but I recently ditched Gaim on windows since it runs like crap on it, randomly locks up, crashes, etc. I could file a bug report, but the fact is that I want something that works now.
Oddly enough I was running Trillian/free before all this, and switched to Gaim because Trillian was confusing the shit out me, with it's plethora of options, I got tired of fucking with it. Sure I can figure it out, but I'd rather not have to figure it out, I'd rather just use it, and put my brain to use where it belongs, in my Job..
I now run Miranda again like I did long ago when it was the lone messenger on Windows which is also free and still runs like a dream. Although no buddy icons in aim:( for it. Who knows why I switched from Miranda to Trillian, probably because my buddy was touting it. Kinda fun that I'm back at square one now.:)
I still run Gaim on linux tho, as it runs perfect there.
My point? Miranda has to be the best free client out there.:)
I noticed a similar phenomenon when I was always at work/wherever and never home. On saturdays I'd get bombarded with calls because no one could get ahold me during the week. Now that I was from home, it's pretty much a slow trickle during the week, because I can pick up the phone, tell them to get bent and hang up, making sure they know I'm not interested and will be a cold day in hell before I am.
And now that I moved from Gaithersburg, MD (decent sized town) to Wadsworth, OH (small town) I noticed I get a lot less calls, I get more wrong numbers then I do telemarketers. Since a lot of people call my number wating the police dept. My last 4 digits are XYYX and the polic dept is XYXX. Damn people are careless.
As the AC said and I was about to say, that couch has to be one of the ugliest couches I've seen. From the shape, to the design, right down to the colors. I may be a geek, but I happen to be a geek with an eye for good taste. If someone gave me that couch, It'd probably be on the curb the next day, or in my basement at the very least.:)
Where does, "you insensitive clod" come from anyway, I always see people suggesting it as a new poll choice, but I can't remember once when it was actually a poll choice.
Here's my small collection I was able to dig off my hard drive real quick. Hopefully my cable modem can keep up as this article is past it's prime.
mancubus.wav is from doom2
ironman.wav is from war craft 2 I believe? Maybe waybe warcraft 1 since the date is 1997 on it, not sure when WC2 came out...
godlike.wav, rampage.wav, and monsterkill.wav are all from Unreal Tournament, extracted from the data files with quite a bit of effort awhile back. The sounds in the data files were reversed and had something else weird done to em if I remember correctly.
My favorite are probably the qtest (quake test) sound effects, certain player death and hurt sound effects that were rather commical, and really added to the game I thought, but never made it into the actual game, probably because they didn't want dying to be funny?:)
Check out qtest/quake3.it, with winamp it's a song made purely out of quake1 sfx.
That's extracted right out of the ut data file by yours truley with quite a bit of hard work to figure out the format.:) Extracted that in '99 sometime judging by the date on the file.
My idea has always been to devalue.com.net and.org as TLDs. Introduce even more TLDs, increasing the name space. How about a.oss, made for only open source projects only. A.club for certain clubs or whatever else you can think of that makes sense. The problem is getting a TLD added, Verisign sure as fuck doesn't want to devalue com/net/org, I can guarantee you that. Who's in charge of TLDs anyway? ICann?
Also.... don't allow automatic registration, wait for this domain to become availabe and other dumb junk that only helps cybersquatters.
Funny how once Sony bought Square all the sudden their games are Playstation only, I've never owned a playstation 1 or 2 and nor will I probably ever, well see what the PS3 looks like when it comes out. Last console I bought as a DreamCast and look what happened there. Sure FFXII is PC, but that's just because it's online. Screw that wussy MMORPGWTFOMG with your damn subscription fee and the horse it rode in on.
Indeed, that was actually the only one I played all the way through, I even started going thru it a second time. Of course, one of the reasons I actually got to play that one is because it was out for the PC as well. Too bad they stopped doing PC ports of their games... I started playing FFVIII for the PC, but all the spells took forever to cast because of the long ass animations, which pretty much killed it for me.
I use Windows because of the games. That's the ONLY reason. Linux is more than capable of being my primary OS for web browsing, email, office work etc.
As do I, except recently I found that Oracle's JDeveloper doesn't run our application under Linux, rather frustrating, so I have to boot up my Windows "game" box for JDeveloper work.:(
Took the words right outta my mouth. Want me to get there right at 7:30? Fine. Then I'm gonna work exactly my 8 hours and I'm outta there. No more of that working till 10pm junk that I used to do.
Currently my employers are very relaxed. I start work at 10am or so, and I usually work until at least 8pm, usually later, sometimes earlier if I have some place to be/need a break. But that comes from trust, I get my work done right, the first time (usually:) ) in a timely manner, and everything is fine, and everyone is happy.
The answer is, get more users. Once Linux has a significant share of the desktop community, the games will follow suit.
And herein lies the chicken and the egg problem. Most people won't run Linux as their primary OS unless it does everything they want, including games. I run Linux, ya, but I have another machine with Windows XP on it that I fire up for gaming, and other windows stuff I can't do in Linux.
Most people can't afford two high quality machines, and dual booting is a pain in the ass, oh shit, that file's on my Linux partition, I gotta reboot to get to it. Crap, I need to send an email to my Aunt, gotta reboot to Windows. I did dual boot for years, the result was that I never booted to Linux because Windows could do most that Linux could do, and more, without constantly rebooting.
Sure there's WineX, etc for transgaming blah blah blah, but that's never gonna play HL2 as soon as it hits the shelves. So the games, or at least some games are going to have to be there to get people to switch. And you're going to get people like me to put up with Linux and it's lack of games just because it's something I believe in. The more people switch, the more games there will be, etc. It's gonna be a long and grueling process.
As for showing people how great Linux is, one glance at a nasty config file they have to edit to get X working, recompiling the kernel for sound, etc, and they go screaming the other way.:)
A friend's Dad was a gov't contractor, so he knew all about the kind of stuff they bought and wouldn't buy. Maybe the earlier slots didn't come with as good of clips, and when I worked at Inacom as a tech, I saw more than one server that was shipped to us with a slotted CPU rattling around inside the case, and was shipped more than one back that was DOA because of it.
But if machine just sits in your office or bedroom or whatever, then ya, it's not going to go anywhere.:)
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s/software patents/to abide by certain copyrights/
It's all legal mumbo jumbo anyway that I really don't very much care about, nor do I have any real interest in doing so.
The Mplayer team has no respect for copyright law and continues to violate the law.
The way I see it, that's ok. Most of the team is from Hungray I believe, probably where they don't have software patents, so why should they care when they just want to make the best player out there. Without mplayer other projects wouldn't be where they are today. They might not have done all the greatest code breaking etc to play certain formats, but they were the first to encorporate them, allowing the playback of Sorenson encoded quicktime files, real audio/video file, vp3, etc. I think Xine allows they playback of these files too, but it's uses MPlayer's win32 codecs that they distribute!
It would be nice if someone would get ahold of the MPlayer code now and fork it. Splitting off the offending code into modules, so countries with software patents can distibute binaries. I'd do it myself, but I'm too busy rewriting Linux.
I liked midtown madness 1 & 2, although 2 was ruined for me by not working right with the latest nvidia drivers which I needed installed for other games to work, so that game got shelved all too quickly.
The last NFS game I played I was just annoyed and dissapointed with. I did like the wide and open roads of original NFS, the freedom to do what you wanted. The the new ones are cramped, with specific objectives:
- Race this course and get away from the cops to win and unlock the next map.
- now pull over this many cars in this timelimit to unlock the next map.
They try to make it intesting with objectives, but objectives aren't what makes the game fun, at least for me. It was coming up with my own objectives, competing against friends, etc. Original NFS kept records by names, I don't remember the newer ones doing that... Maybe they do, but it's been done, give me something different--that doesn't suck.
I just wanted to drive and have fun; not drive the same course over and over until I got it right. I guess that's another thing I hate, having to do the same thing over and over again at nauseum. That's work, not play.
Well of course the graphics for the original NFS aren't as crisp as the newer ones, but they were better. It didn't have town after mini town that you go thru, the original had forests, etc. Plus as the other post said, the physics were better. I remember the coures on the NFS demo was amazing, you'd rip around a corner too fast and you'd could actually flip over, crash, etc, something that doesn't happen in the newer ones. In the newer ones you just dink aganst the side of the guard rail, which would slow you down a fraction of a second.
There are many other reasons that I liked the original NFS better, the realistic graphics were one of them.
Original NFS also did have freedom of gameplay as madeus mentioned. I remember my roomate and I would spend countless hours driving each course as fast as possible to beat the other persons record for top speed, time, etc. The top speed record was always one of the funniest, because if you wanted that prize you had to be able to wreck something fierce, because you needed to push it and never back down, even for that hairpin turn that's comming up, which always led to hilarious crashes. We spent tons of time just to see who could crash the best as well. Just a few more examples of why I enjoyed NFS.
Which inadvertantly brings me to another point, one reason I probably did like NFS so well, is that it was a break thru game, sure there were racing games before that, but none even CLOSE to as detailed or as realistic (at least that I played). Sure you can crash in games now, but it's already been done, and it's no longer unique new and fun.
Most games have lost originality now, they're afraid to break away from their precious formulae that make them the big bucks, which is understandable, since it takes a lot more to produce a game these days.
Sure I'm getting older, but I still enjoy games, I play Q3F still about every day, because it's a great teamplay game, great gameplay, great graphics, good friendly competition with people I know, etc. It's unique because of the small but skilled community of people that still play it. When you play counter strike, BF1942 desert combat, sure they have the potential to be just as fun, but the communities are huge, I rarely see the same person twice, it's all so impersonal, that and the gameply on Desert Combat is arguably.... well, cheap.
And yes I'm not afraid to admit it, I like pretty graphics with my game (I continue to get shit for that statement, but I'm used to it), it's what makes a good game great. Maybe I am getting more critical of games. Games of today aren't really that much different from games of yesterday, I guess with the better graphics and better everything else could come better gameplay and all those things that make a game fun. I guess they are, but slowly.
But really what else is there besides sports games? There's strategy, but those are few and far between now it seems. There's strategy/puzzle. There's 3rd person action games, but those are always all so different, you kinda have to take those on a case by case basis.
:)
So I guess to recap, I pretty much hate all sports games which seems to be 80% of the current console game market, FPSes without a mouse (read as, on a console), and any games that is impossible to play a quick 30 minute game. I avoid stuff like Medeival: Total Warfare, Civilization, Simcity, The Sims, etc, because you can't just play it for 30 minutes, it takes hours to get in your groove.
I dunno, maybe I just like to ramble/complain.
And that's why I don't bother with game console anymore. I dislike Sport and most sports games, they never interested me. FPSs suck on consoles if you have a nice PC with a mouse. As for RTSs, what RTS games are there for consoles? Most of the ones I can think of are the PC... Online... eh, my PC is online already and I've never really been much for one on one competition anyway, especially with someone I don't know. Online RPGs? Can you say timesink? No thanks.
Some of the racing games seem kinda neat, but they always go overboard. I don't want to fucking spend hours upon hours tweaking my car and driving the same damn course shaving a fraction of a second off my time, nor do I want to run from cops or whatever. The original Need For Speed was the ultimate driving game, there were some cops, ya, but they were easy enough to outrun it wasn't a big deal, and you could turn them off anyway. You could just hop in a car and go driving on a beatiful course, the recent NFS games are just over the top with scenery, and so impressive with visuals to the point that it doesn't even look real. Oh and the original Road Rash (for the Genesis maybe?) was also an awesome game without going over the top as well.
Sometimes I just long for the days of the Paralax Scroller that I was so accustomed to with my Amiga and NES. I love the SIMPLE RPGs and the early Final Fantasy games. I don't want a game that's so complex that I dread even trying to figure it out. It's so hard to find a game that I like these days that if I find one, (Quake3, Q3F, Dungeon Seige, BF1942, the latest RTS) that I just stick to that until I stumble upon something else I like...
ya, but that was in 1998... uptime WAS leet back then :)
Obvious he wasn't using one of the new windows keyboards
I wish he woulda told that to my Linux box which got rebooted by accident by hitting those keys. I got pissed, switched my monitor over to my other machine, slammed the keyboard back up against the wall where I kept it, and hear: *beep*, see floppy activity, cdrom light flicks a bit... shit....
:(
I had a pretty good uptime too.
Yeah, and where does that leave the free clients? Back in the dust. If they were really interested in keeping it open, they couldn't have blocked anything, and would release an SDK that developers could use as a guideline for connecting their clients to them. Well they still might release an SDK, but it'll cost ya for sure.
Well the recent Yahoo block convinced my girlfriend to stop using it and switch to ICQ, since she shouldn't talk to me any longer since I was running Gaim, and her dad runs ICQ as well. Now Gaim has since restored connectivity to Yahoo, but I recently ditched Gaim on windows since it runs like crap on it, randomly locks up, crashes, etc. I could file a bug report, but the fact is that I want something that works now.
:( for it. Who knows why I switched from Miranda to Trillian, probably because my buddy was touting it. Kinda fun that I'm back at square one now. :)
:)
Oddly enough I was running Trillian/free before all this, and switched to Gaim because Trillian was confusing the shit out me, with it's plethora of options, I got tired of fucking with it. Sure I can figure it out, but I'd rather not have to figure it out, I'd rather just use it, and put my brain to use where it belongs, in my Job..
I now run Miranda again like I did long ago when it was the lone messenger on Windows which is also free and still runs like a dream. Although no buddy icons in aim
I still run Gaim on linux tho, as it runs perfect there.
My point? Miranda has to be the best free client out there.
I noticed a similar phenomenon when I was always at work/wherever and never home. On saturdays I'd get bombarded with calls because no one could get ahold me during the week. Now that I was from home, it's pretty much a slow trickle during the week, because I can pick up the phone, tell them to get bent and hang up, making sure they know I'm not interested and will be a cold day in hell before I am.
And now that I moved from Gaithersburg, MD (decent sized town) to Wadsworth, OH (small town) I noticed I get a lot less calls, I get more wrong numbers then I do telemarketers. Since a lot of people call my number wating the police dept. My last 4 digits are XYYX and the polic dept is XYXX. Damn people are careless.
As the AC said and I was about to say, that couch has to be one of the ugliest couches I've seen. From the shape, to the design, right down to the colors. I may be a geek, but I happen to be a geek with an eye for good taste. If someone gave me that couch, It'd probably be on the curb the next day, or in my basement at the very least. :)
haha, now that's kind funny :)
Where does, "you insensitive clod" come from anyway, I always see people suggesting it as a new poll choice, but I can't remember once when it was actually a poll choice.
Here's my small collection I was able to dig off my hard drive real quick. Hopefully my cable modem can keep up as this article is past it's prime.
:)
mancubus.wav is from doom2
ironman.wav is from war craft 2 I believe? Maybe waybe warcraft 1 since the date is 1997 on it, not sure when WC2 came out...
godlike.wav, rampage.wav, and monsterkill.wav are all from Unreal Tournament, extracted from the data files with quite a bit of effort awhile back. The sounds in the data files were reversed and had something else weird done to em if I remember correctly.
My favorite are probably the qtest (quake test) sound effects, certain player death and hurt sound effects that were rather commical, and really added to the game I thought, but never made it into the actual game, probably because they didn't want dying to be funny?
Check out qtest/quake3.it, with winamp it's a song made purely out of quake1 sfx.
That's extracted right out of the ut data file by yours truley with quite a bit of hard work to figure out the format. :) Extracted that in '99 sometime judging by the date on the file.
m-m-m-m-monster kill
My idea has always been to devalue .com .net and .org as TLDs. Introduce even more TLDs, increasing the name space. How about a .oss, made for only open source projects only. A .club for certain clubs or whatever else you can think of that makes sense. The problem is getting a TLD added, Verisign sure as fuck doesn't want to devalue com/net/org, I can guarantee you that. Who's in charge of TLDs anyway? ICann?
Also.... don't allow automatic registration, wait for this domain to become availabe and other dumb junk that only helps cybersquatters.
Funny how once Sony bought Square all the sudden their games are Playstation only, I've never owned a playstation 1 or 2 and nor will I probably ever, well see what the PS3 looks like when it comes out. Last console I bought as a DreamCast and look what happened there. Sure FFXII is PC, but that's just because it's online. Screw that wussy MMORPGWTFOMG with your damn subscription fee and the horse it rode in on.
No, really, I'm not bitter.
Indeed, that was actually the only one I played all the way through, I even started going thru it a second time. Of course, one of the reasons I actually got to play that one is because it was out for the PC as well. Too bad they stopped doing PC ports of their games... I started playing FFVIII for the PC, but all the spells took forever to cast because of the long ass animations, which pretty much killed it for me.
I use Windows because of the games. That's the ONLY reason. Linux is more than capable of being my primary OS for web browsing, email, office work etc.
:(
As do I, except recently I found that Oracle's JDeveloper doesn't run our application under Linux, rather frustrating, so I have to boot up my Windows "game" box for JDeveloper work.
Took the words right outta my mouth. Want me to get there right at 7:30? Fine. Then I'm gonna work exactly my 8 hours and I'm outta there. No more of that working till 10pm junk that I used to do.
:) ) in a timely manner, and everything is fine, and everyone is happy.
Currently my employers are very relaxed. I start work at 10am or so, and I usually work until at least 8pm, usually later, sometimes earlier if I have some place to be/need a break. But that comes from trust, I get my work done right, the first time (usually
I don't think they know about second breakfast.
The answer is, get more users. Once Linux has a significant share of the desktop community, the games will follow suit.
:)
And herein lies the chicken and the egg problem. Most people won't run Linux as their primary OS unless it does everything they want, including games. I run Linux, ya, but I have another machine with Windows XP on it that I fire up for gaming, and other windows stuff I can't do in Linux.
Most people can't afford two high quality machines, and dual booting is a pain in the ass, oh shit, that file's on my Linux partition, I gotta reboot to get to it. Crap, I need to send an email to my Aunt, gotta reboot to Windows. I did dual boot for years, the result was that I never booted to Linux because Windows could do most that Linux could do, and more, without constantly rebooting.
Sure there's WineX, etc for transgaming blah blah blah, but that's never gonna play HL2 as soon as it hits the shelves. So the games, or at least some games are going to have to be there to get people to switch. And you're going to get people like me to put up with Linux and it's lack of games just because it's something I believe in. The more people switch, the more games there will be, etc. It's gonna be a long and grueling process.
As for showing people how great Linux is, one glance at a nasty config file they have to edit to get X working, recompiling the kernel for sound, etc, and they go screaming the other way.
A friend's Dad was a gov't contractor, so he knew all about the kind of stuff they bought and wouldn't buy. Maybe the earlier slots didn't come with as good of clips, and when I worked at Inacom as a tech, I saw more than one server that was shipped to us with a slotted CPU rattling around inside the case, and was shipped more than one back that was DOA because of it.
:)
But if machine just sits in your office or bedroom or whatever, then ya, it's not going to go anywhere.