that and the fact that there is no were near enough resources for everyone in the world to enjoy an average american lifestyle.. about 1/4 to about 1/8 being the range.. 3 in 4 four to 7 in 8 need to die.. for it to happen..
the level of control need/desired by the wealth/ruling class will only continue to increase.. and the water WARS will make the oil WARS seem like a warm up..
and as Albert Einstein said " i do not know how the third world WAR will be fought.. but the fourth world WAR will be fought with sticks and stones.."
it's simple really.. Tony Blair and most of the Labour government are not true liberals.. they just ran as liberals to get elected.. something that has been going on for quite sometime now.. they just use a softer stance to appear to be a better chose than the hard line conservatives.. the majority of all politicians are members of the ruling class.. regardless of which party they belong to..
they also own the media by the way.. not to mention the banks etc.
this all really happened in and around 1948.. the year that Orwell wrote 1984.. with the arrival of broadcast and cable TV..
party politics democracy is a ruling class..
simple majority democracies are noting but limited dictatorships.. calling themselves democracies..
in a real and true democracy.. there and be no representation in lieu of the people.. party.. constitution.. or otherwise..
but as Stanley Milgram and others have pointed out.. that 65% and upward.. of any given population can be counted on to simply submit to authority.. it's a done deal..
and the ruling class is very well aware of this fact..
modern technology is just making it possible for the ruling class to have the amount of control and power that they have always wanted..and thought was their birth rite anyway.. but did not have the man power or means to make it so..
a good place to start investigating.. Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars.. the 25 anniversary is believed to be referencing to the first Bilderberg meeting..
the ruling class could not leave something like democratic communism laying around to work it'self out.. it would put a big hole in the fascist/capitalist ideology..
i don't know why human beings have not figured this out yet.. it's not like we are at the beginning of the industrial revolution..
personally i think it has a great deal to do with generational amnesia..
that any and all technologies that are developed.. will have just as many potential downsides as potential upsides.. the developer.. the advertisers.. those advocating it's use.. those looking to make a profit from it.. seldom if ever.. are willing to admit this.. and never want to discus it.. they/we just don't ask enough "what if" questions at the beginning of anything we are developing/changing in the modern world..
as long as there is a self interest or a profit motive.. this will always be the case..
just for example.. that the large scale use of automobiles burning fossil fuels.. may lead to dangerous levels of pollution and/or catastrophic climate change.. that having large numbers of people using cell phones while driving.. is like having a large number of drunken drivers on the road.. or that weapon systems developed to defend someone can just as easily be used against them.. the list goes on.. and on..
What If..
the bottom line is that there are just as many possible downsides as upsides in all cases..
and it is not whether some technology that is developed.. will be used for nefarious purposes by someone.. it is just when.. by whom.. to what extent and to what end..
it is also my understanding that.. with regard to the rights granted to free men under the "magna carta".. there is a clause that forbid future governing bodies from passing laws that take away the originally granted rights..
also it is my understanding that by signing any document with the included statement:
"without prejudice and under duress"
signifies that "i" am signing this document stating that.. "i" do not acknowledge that the signature has any significance.. (that a signature has no real.. only abstract value).. and that "i" am signing this because someone is requiring that "i" do so..
which is what the whole issue.. that some people are trying to raise with respect to what it means to be an actual physical existence apart from any conceptual or legal meaning and definition.. is really all about.. and how what some people refer to as a "natural person" is defined under the "law".. which is actually another fictitious entity under the law.. apart for my actual physical sovereign existence as a living entity.. to which "i" have never granted anyone authority over.. nor have "i" ever agreed to live by anyone else's rules.. laws or conscience.. save my own..
the whole modern system is nothing but a sophisticated scam.. indoctrinated by public education.. that allows those of wealth and power to exert a claim to having authority over my being.. in the "name" of a civilized society controlled by "the rule of law" and the threat of punishment.. and by simple democracies.. were by 51 percent can claim a right to exert authority over 49 percent of a people.. in fact nothing but limited dictatorships..
there by providing the means for a just and civilized society.. and a means of protecting their wealth and power.. and keeping us safe of course.. read.. them safe from the rest of the us.. the 95 or so percent of us without any significant wealth or real power over our own lives..
while really not providing the vast majority any real security at all.. but promising to seek out and punish anyone causing us harm after the fact.. along with no real opportunity for significant wealth.. unless you happen to win the lotory that is and even that is not the level of wealth the ruling class enjoy..
it's all about keeping politicians judges and lawyer.. with accountants and doctors thrown in for good measure.. feed.. wealthy.. and in control of our lives..
patents have no place in a "free market".. except to protect and fulfill the above reality.. and the interests of the few(patent holders) versus the many..
the absurdity of it all.. is just the inevitable outcome of limited dictatorships(party politics) and the rule of law.. as a means of organizing and controlling society.. they look and sound good.. but don't work.. neither of which has anything to do with natural persons being in control of their own lives..
ever notice how all most all politicians(law makers) are either lawyers.. doctors.. or accountants.. and that judges are all lawyers appointed by politicians to interpret the laws they make???
the real joke is that the vast majority of all these blood sucking top feeders and their enforcers(the police).. have sworn oaths of office on a book that expressly forbids the swearing of oaths.. by arguably the most important figure in the book "Jesus Christ".. and the book is the "bible"..
"Matthew 5:33-37 33 " Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.' 34 "But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35 "nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 "Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 "But let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No.' For whatever is more than these is from the evil one."
note: there are only two original definitions for the word Satan.. the adversary and the prosecuting attorney(lawyer).. whom christ condemned for having taken the "KEY" of knowledge(of good and evil).. and the fact that for hundreds of years the court has required that people swear and oath on the bible to validate their testimony..
they obviously have not read the "book" or did they??..
if you really want to begin to understand it all.. a good place to start is studying the work of John Taylor Gatto re: public education(legislated mass brainwashing) and Stanley Milgram re: obedience (especially after public education)
welcome to 1984.. the NWO.. and the end times.. it creeps in one day and one law at a time..
Revelation 17:15,17 15 Then he said to me, "The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 17 "For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.
"No normal citizen of a secular "western" nation would tolerate this level of interference with his or her".. "reality"
no offence intended.. but i think you and many others are very naive about common peoples level of awareness and tolerance of the world around them.. but then again the most people are pretty common.. especially ones who have gone through the public education system(Mass Brainwashing) and are subjected to Private Mass Media(Propaganda)..
i would suggest you investigate the work of Stanley Milgram http://www.stanleymilgram.com/ to get a feeling for what common people will tolerate..
basically 65-70% of any average population is willing to put someone to death on the word of an authority figure for having done nothing more that make a mistake..
not for having committed a crime.. not for having killed someone else.. just simply for having made a mistake..
Freedom of will.. freedom of speech.. freedom of action.. the protection of the public good and Censorship..
are in fact really about the same issue..
were as.. free speech and the freedom of the press.. are really most often about opposites of issues..
true free speech.. can only mean.. that anyone and everyone is free to say what they please.. apart.. from the freedom to and of acting on ones thoughts or words.. especially where and when the physical sovereignty of persons is involved..
a true free press.. can only means everyone and anyone has free and equal access to the media..
for if only those who can pay have access to the press.. there is indeed no freedom of the press..
moreover.. freedom of the press has nothing to do with.. someone or anyone.. via mass limited access media being able to continually and repeatedly expressing a limited position and opinion.. without equal amounts of time for varied other and opposing points of view..
at the same time there is nothing wrong.. if one is truly seeking public order.. with restricting thoughts and ideas that encourage separation.. segregation and acts of aggression.. or acts of violence against other persons..
as the sovereignty of being is the only real right and true desire of almost all beings.. when threatened with or experiencing harm form others..
preventing others from expressing there opinion because it offends your sensibilities.. believes or morals.. but posses no direct threat to persons and does not promote or encourage such actions.. is indeed censorship of free speech..
at the same time.. LAWS.. that try to make it criminal to express anger and hate towards others.. with just cause for violation of persons.. are just ideals go astray.. and a denial of human fear and emotion when confronted with threats and acts of violence towards persons..
and destined to fail being able to resolve grievances of violation amongst humankind..
but defending the freedom of the press.. to say as it pleases.. under the guise of free speech is untrue.. unwise and a lie.. and will in time most certainly fail..
as well.. if i have freedom of speech but no freedom of action.. it is really nothing but hot air..
and unless everyone has equal and direct access to the media.. it is nothing but mass brain washing and propaganda..
restricting the transmission of thoughts and ideas that are threatening and destabalizing to the the well being of the majority is.. just true good and wise governance..
that is.. if you intention is for the freedom and well being of the greater majority of the people..
as opposed to.. for the benefit of a few.. and the control of the many.. by a few..
then some can and probably will.. argue that it is a censorship of their free speech..
everyone should have the opportunity to publicly express their opinion
they think they are intelligent enough to f**k with a system as complex and evolved as a bio-sphere and get away without unforeseen dire consequences..
oh!! oh!!.. wait we can fix that.. and that.. and that..
the planet will have the last say..
and the fundamentalist have not even though to ask were do the new plagues of Revelation come from anyway..
from colonialism.. globalization.. genetic engineering and modern medicine..
by the time you realize it was a mistake.. it's to little and to late..
if humans were really exhibiting intelligence they would know enough not to f**k with it..
i never granted anyone authority over my life and being..
i don't require anyone granting me rights and privileges..
and i never agreed to play by anyone's rules..
but the vast majority of people..
who have gone through the state controlled education system (mass brain washing) and grown up being influenced by a corporate controlled media (propaganda machine)..
are not likely to know or remember this fact..
the vast majority of beings are/have accepted a "Social" world based on competition and control VS cooperation and empowerment..
the rule of law and political party based democracy (limited dictatorships).. so often espoused these days.. is a very convenient system for controlling natural beings.. by those in a privileged position of power.. haven't you noticed how the vast majority of politicians are either lawyers.. doctors.. or accountants..
oh!.. forgive me.. their education makes them qualified and gives them the "right" to rule over my life..
the only comforting fact in my life.. is knowing that it is destined to fail miserably and most likely with a catastrophic result.. though it maybe with a whimper do to a lack of atmospheric oxygen..
it wasn't to really to avoid secret prisons.. torture.. and indefinite detention..
it was about saving capitalism.. for the small majority that it really benefits..
opposing party political systems are not democracies.. they are just limited dictatorships.. but as a result of state controlled public education in western democracies.. the average person doesn't know the difference..
in a real and true democracy there can be no representation in lieu of the people..
which is independent of the economic system they choose implement..
anyone beyond the border of even a city state.. let alone a nation state.. is it's strategic enemy.. even when not in a state of active conflict.. ie. (W)e (A)re (R)ight..
and despite commonly held beliefs in america and other primarily white so called christian/jewish countries.. in my experience and lifetime of 50+ years.. my observation and conclusion is that america is nobodies friend.. except when it serves their own selfish interests..
not to mention the dictator in commands statement.. you are either with us or against us..
i would say a good reason for anyone to launch their own gps system.. including the chinese..
another arms race.. just what the Military Industrial Entertainment beast requires/ordered.. to keep it rich and keep it in power..
i'm old enough to remember.. the things the "other" guy did.. that make him the EVIL one..
like being more selfless (love of neighbor) communist.. rather than more selfish.. capitalistic.. and greedy.. (easier to sell)
but we.. by way of mass brain washing (public education).. would rather accept that 90+ percent of the wealth belongs in the hands of 10- percent of the people.. they earned it after all !!
having to carry state identity cards that must be presented on demand to the state police/army..
random searches on or to use public transportation.. and in public places..
monitoring of my communications and activities..
large numbers of unjustly imprisoned people..
etc. etc. etc...
and last but not least we are the good guys because we will defend ourselves.. but we don't strike first.. and only as a last resort do we condone the use of force..
we are real men who fight man to man..
not like cowards.. with laser sights and night vision.. in WMDs from 20,000 ft. or in armored vehicles.. in kevlar body armour.. or under the cover of dark..
not like those cowardly suicide bomber who can look you in the eye before they die..
actually as near as i can recall.. we're suppose to turn the other cheek.. and to love our enemy.. but you would have to be some kind of fool to do something like that..
if you read the statements from politicians and Law enforcement officials carefully.. when they are pleading their case for decreasing civil liberties in the fight against terrorism.. they always add.. and to help fight "CRIME"..
ie. those pesky civil liberties that make their job of fighting crime more difficult.. ie. tracking software piracy etc.
for right wing politicians who think that it is their job to enforce the law and punish sinners.. the war on terrorism is a blessing in disguise..
i have looked for it many times.. but have been unable to find the speech that Bush made shortly after 9/11 in which he said something like "and let us forget the opportunities that this event provides" with his cheshire cat smile..
although they are not expected to ship until august.. this looks like the most interesting alternative to a standard keyboard yet.. text input.. mouse.. trackball actually.. and highly programmable game controller all in one..
and you are a 40-something corporate wage slave.. who knows the harsh realities of the rEAL wORLD.. right?
wrong..
it is all corporations that are fundamentally evil..
100-150 years ago the corporations had virtually no power to speak of.. through steady political influence and legal influence.. they have achieve an insurmountable advantage over the individuals of the world..
they almost lost in the late sixties early seventies.. but they have made a calculated and spectacular comeback..
and so we will all one day work for The Corp.. like it or not.. or be killed.. mark of the beast and all..
The Corp and it owners has achieved a Win Win position..
the power and advantage of the group.. as well as limited social and legal liability..
Were as the individual has been given a Lose Lose situation..
the disadvantage of having to do everything for themselves.. why do you think animals become social int the first place.. as well as full social and legal liability.. and in the course of time.. a no win situation..
an all but inevitable fate.. people that will accept this reality.. are asking for.. and some would say even deserve their fate.. to live their life in service to The Corp and it's owners..
total slavery.. as long as it's not called slavery and it does not look like slavery.. as long as there is no discrimination.. almost everyone is included.. except for the oWNERS (rulers).. as long as i get a wage to pay for my keep.. i can believe.. can call my self free..
after all.. deep down we all know how much it would really cost us.. to be a true individuals.. the corporate ace in the hole.. it's much easier to submit..
that given the nature of the business.. that promotion is and always has been a major part of it.. given what is at stake.. potentially substantially increased wealth and power for those involved.. and given what is expectable human behavior.. of being in a position to take advantage of a situation for one's own benefit.. that once even a small sampling of people were claiming such observed patterns.. it would be unreasonable to assume that it was not being done.. until absolutely proven otherwise..
regardless of it's overall distribution around a mean.. if a clustering occurs it is not an illusion.. to call it such.. to name it such is oxymoronic.. all that can be said to have been determined with any significant degree of certainty is that insufficient data maybe available to determine it's pattern and significance..
as reported recently in slashdot.. and possibly in the not to distant future.. all of the very LAWS of probabilities involving the distribution of what was believed to be randomly generated numbers.. long believed to be a certain way.. may in fact prove to have be illusionary..
seeking outside confirmation.. shows a tendency to doubt one's own ability to make accurate observations about reality.. and to suggest that an observed pattern does not exist.. or to suggest that such observation is akin to a conspiracy paranoia.. is to seed doubt in someone's ability to accurately perceive their own reality.. hardly helpful to others.. and can only serve to stroke one's own ego of a perceived superior knowledge..
and why is it do you think that humans might be wired to observe patterns ?
where is the all but inevitable end of modern medicine's quest for practical immortality and the conquering of disease going to lead?..
The David Suzuki Foundation refers to estimates based on ecological foot-printing http://dieoff.org/page110.htm and others.. that somewhere between 4 & 5 planets would be required to provide just an "average" north american lifestyle to the current world population.. which if extrapolated.. means that in the current world.. 3 to 4 out of every 6 people need to be eliminated in order for the remaining 1 to 3 individual to have it..
just what do you think the average person is going to represent to someone who possesses such technology.. but someone breathing eating and drinking.. "their" air food and water.. if you think the earth is valuable and important to human life now.. just wait till someone possesses this technology.. that is if someone does not already possess this technology.. such as the ability to turn off the aging gene (Monsanto ??)
so let's introduce and end to disease and the ability to provide "practical" physical immortality into the mix.. and where do you think we are headed?.. especially with the Genome the "tree of life" available for the development of genetic weapons..
which by the way would certainly appear to be the reason that man was kicked out of the garden of eden.. not sin.. as portrayed by the the organized churches.. and as such the belief of most average Christians.. sin was the precursor.. but preventing access to the "Tree of Life" and immortality was the reason the "Gods" kicked man out of the garden..
NKJ Genesis 3 22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"
which though some what off topic.. leads me to another challenge to the average Christian world..
as the garden of eden is portrayed as an actual location on the earth.. as opposed to say the whole of the earth.. i would like anyone.. especially someone who advocate a literal interpretation of the bible as being necessary.. to take me to the garden of eden so i can witness the cherubim and the flaming sword for myself..
NKJ Genesis 3 24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life. (no mention of what guards the west entrance??)
and if you are good and truly religiously minded.. not offense intended.. but a scientifically minded religious person.. would seem to be the epitome of oxymora.. how can you support healing and immortality by any other means than by faith.. which is the essence of almost all current religions and essential to Christianity.. which defines faith i might add as:
NKJ Hebrews 11 1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.(a very good definition for my money)
especially given that by my interpretation of the book.. science is nothing but a new universal language.. read: global language.. and that science is nothing less than attempting the deconstruction/understanding of the Divine
that's the beauty of the opposing party democracy system.. it provides the ruling class with the perfect system for disenfranchising and isolating the serfs.. it provides the illusion of some kind of control and freeDUMB where there is none..
if one thinks it through.. all that a conspiracy is.. at it's most basic level.. is a preconceived plan by an given group of people..
which in this case is that 2-5% of the worlds population that controls 95-98% of the wealth.. and who are not going to give up that wealth and it's accompanying power.. or share it with anyone they don't have to.. if there is any conceivable way of not doing so..
historically all that "they" have had to do is start a war.. which takes the focus of "them" and puts the focus on the "enemy".. which by the way.. historically has also provided the greatest amount of wealth for "them".. although some of the intervening resource booms and the modern.com boom have done very well for "them" as well..
it is most easily achieved with the poorly educated.. young.. nieve and idealistic serfs who don't have the benefit of generational experience.. in most cases all that has been required is to "make" an enemy.. then encourage a sense of fear.. indignation.. moral outrage.. mix in a little self-righteousness and patriotism.. and "they" have been able to get just about anyone to die defending "their" right.. to "their" wealth and "their" freedom..
"they" have done enough study and profiling on the general population (with them paying the bill no less).. such as Stanley Milgram work.. mentioned in another posting on/. a few days ago.. to know that the very idea of someone conspiring behind one's back to manipulate and control one's reality is so disheartening and frightening that the average person will simple take the path of least resistance.. and deny that is even possible.. let a lone happening..
and as Stanley Milgram demonstrated.. the majority of any given population will simply fallow the figures of authority even in peaceful times.. let a lone in a time of war.. as did the majority of the population in germany under Hitler..
by the time they come to take you away.. for demonstrating some ability to think for yourself and thus being a threat to "their" control.. or to conscript you to go off and die in some foreign land to plunder another countries resources.. because "they".. your past "leaders" have mismanaged and squandered "your" countries resources..
it is in all most all cases.. way to late to do anything about it..
if you are of a mind do a search for a document called "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars".. although it seems to be harder to find a working link these days.. this being one of the better ones that i have found because it contain actual formulas.. http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/sw4qw/index.shtm l.. many claim that it is not a real historical document
if there really was anything but hot air and BS.. to the realities of Democracy, FREEDOM and FREE TRADE in this world.. as opposed the Limited Dictatorships, FREEDOMs for some and advantageous trade for a few..
that really exists..
i as an individual would be FREE.. to associate.. to interact.. and to trade with any other individual.. any were else in the world.. with out controls, limitations, duties, tariffs or any other form of restriction from others..
but then again..
people that will accept the notions.. the ideas as valid.. of Intellectual Property Rights-IPRs, Simple Democracies, Patent Law and Free Markets, for Profit Information Sources, Capitalism etc... probable won't get it anyway..
P.S.
in order to have a truly valid claim to an intellectual property.. you would have to be the first one to have ever had the idea and be able to prove it.. as opposed to being the first one to lay a "legal" claim to it..
you left of the most applicable part in this case..
"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
"instruments of government" that are themselves the real problem..
they are nothing but perversions and limitations of true freedom.. and are all just different degrees and levels of dictatorship over a weak and brainwashed people..
the only pure and true form of democracy is Direct Democracy.. in which there can be: "NO representation in lieu of the people"
your constitution does say: WE THE PEOPLE does it not.. although constitutional authorities.. are also just a another distraction of the authority and will of THE people..
how and where did so many people.. in so many places.. get this idea that you can and should elect governments/RULERS and PAY them to hire and pay mercenaries to defend the citizenry from the violence and stupidity of themselves and others.. if so.. those nations and their citizenship are nothing but forms of slavery and cowardice.. and when it's foes are much smaller and weaker than they.. nothing but schoolyard bullies.. when they exercise authority over others..
not very surprising when Public Education/Indoctrination is the source of their knowledge..
it is the duty of all the citizens of a noble state to defend THEIR nation or to be known to one's self and others as a coward.. and to those who would claim their beliefs prohibit them from trying to cause harm to others.. so be it.. but if they are to give substance to their beliefs.. they should be willing to stand at the front as "human shields".. a testament to the strength of their FAITH "the substance of things hoped for.. the evidence of things not seen"
did you say secure YOUR property rights.. by the means of PAYED mercenaries.. the states soldiers, police and security forces..
there is nothing more arbitrary and illusionary that property right.. beyond that which an individual can enforce by themselves..
just ask the original indigenous inhabitants about the meaning of Property Rights.. or anyone else that has had their land expropriated..
i have said it before and i will say it again ..
.. in my own life i have had the experience of telling people something over and over again .. until they get it ..
.. why didn't you say that before ..
.. but they will insist that i have not told them before .. etc. etc.
.. study the work of Stanley Milgram and John Taylor Gatto
.. about 1/4 to about 1/8 being the range .. 3 in 4 four to 7 in 8 need to die .. for it to happen ..
.. and the water WARS will make the oil WARS seem like a warm up ..
.. but the fourth world WAR will be fought with sticks and stones .."
i will however repeat myself because
were upon the normal reaction is
were i could say i did
if you really want to understand what and why things are happening the way they are
http://www.stanleymilgram.com/
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/
that and the fact that there is no were near enough resources for everyone in the world to enjoy an average american lifestyle
the level of control need/desired by the wealth/ruling class will only continue to increase
and as Albert Einstein said " i do not know how the third world WAR will be fought
WAR=We Are Right
it's simple really .. Tony Blair and most of the Labour government are not true liberals .. they just ran as liberals to get elected .. something that has been going on for quite sometime now .. they just use a softer stance to appear to be a better chose than the hard line conservatives .. the majority of all politicians are members of the ruling class .. regardless of which party they belong to ..
.. not to mention the banks etc.
.. the year that Orwell wrote 1984 .. with the arrival of broadcast and cable TV ..
..
.. calling themselves democracies ..
.. there and be no representation in lieu of the people .. party .. constitution .. or otherwise ..
.. that 65% and upward .. of any given population can be counted on to simply submit to authority .. it's a done deal ..
..
..and thought was their birth rite anyway .. but did not have the man power or means to make it so ..
.. Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars .. the 25 anniversary is believed to be referencing to the first Bilderberg meeting ..
they also own the media by the way
this all really happened in and around 1948
party politics democracy is a ruling class
simple majority democracies are noting but limited dictatorships
in a real and true democracy
but as Stanley Milgram and others have pointed out
and the ruling class is very well aware of this fact
http://www.stanleymilgram.com/
modern technology is just making it possible for the ruling class to have the amount of control and power that they have always wanted
a good place to start investigating
http://whale.to/b/dyke.html
http://whale.to/b/silentweapon.html
http://www.bilderberg.org/bildhist.htm
please don't confuse communism .. which really has nothing to do with politricks .. and fascism
.. communism is an economic model .. not a political model
..
.. who had elected the world first democratically elected communist government ..
..lead by Augusto Pinochet .. on September 11, 1973
l
.. it would put a big hole in the fascist/capitalist ideology ..
but which has everything to do with economics
it apples and oranges
just ask the people in Chile
which was then promptly overthrown by a United States backed and orchestrated military Coup d'État
http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/pinochet.htm
29 years to the day of September 11, 2001
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A716591
http://www.iisg.nl/collections/chile/
the ruling class could not leave something like democratic communism laying around to work it'self out
i don't know why human beings have not figured this out yet .. it's not like we are at the beginning of the industrial revolution ..
..
.. will have just as many potential downsides as potential upsides .. the developer .. the advertisers .. those advocating it's use .. those looking to make a profit from it .. seldom if ever .. are willing to admit this .. and never want to discus it .. they/we just don't ask enough "what if" questions at the beginning of anything we are developing/changing in the modern world ..
.. this will always be the case ..
.. that the large scale use of automobiles burning fossil fuels .. may lead to dangerous levels of pollution and/or catastrophic climate change .. that having large numbers of people using cell phones while driving .. is like having a large number of drunken drivers on the road .. or that weapon systems developed to defend someone can just as easily be used against them .. the list goes on .. and on ..
..
..
.. will be used for nefarious purposes by someone .. it is just when .. by whom .. to what extent and to what end ..
personally i think it has a great deal to do with generational amnesia
that any and all technologies that are developed
as long as there is a self interest or a profit motive
just for example
What If
the bottom line is that there are just as many possible downsides as upsides in all cases
and it is not whether some technology that is developed
it is also my understanding that .. with regard to the rights granted to free men under the "magna carta" .. there is a clause that forbid future governing bodies from passing laws that take away the originally granted rights ..
.. "i" do not acknowledge that the signature has any significance .. (that a signature has no real .. only abstract value) .. and that "i" am signing this because someone is requiring that "i" do so ..
.. that some people are trying to raise with respect to what it means to be an actual physical existence apart from any conceptual or legal meaning and definition .. is really all about .. and how what some people refer to as a "natural person" is defined under the "law" .. which is actually another fictitious entity under the law .. apart for my actual physical sovereign existence as a living entity .. to which "i" have never granted anyone authority over .. nor have "i" ever agreed to live by anyone else's rules .. laws or conscience .. save my own ..
.. indoctrinated by public education .. that allows those of wealth and power to exert a claim to having authority over my being .. in the "name" of a civilized society controlled by "the rule of law" and the threat of punishment .. and by simple democracies .. were by 51 percent can claim a right to exert authority over 49 percent of a people .. in fact nothing but limited dictatorships ..
.. and a means of protecting their wealth and power .. and keeping us safe of course .. read .. them safe from the rest of the us .. the 95 or so percent of us without any significant wealth or real power over our own lives ..
.. but promising to seek out and punish anyone causing us harm after the fact .. along with no real opportunity for significant wealth .. unless you happen to win the lotory that is and even that is not the level of wealth the ruling class enjoy ..
also it is my understanding that by signing any document with the included statement:
"without prejudice and under duress"
signifies that "i" am signing this document stating that
which is what the whole issue
the whole modern system is nothing but a sophisticated scam
there by providing the means for a just and civilized society
while really not providing the vast majority any real security at all
http://www.angelfire.com/az/sthurston/
http://www.wealth4freedom.com/law/Mary.htm
http://matrix.freecanadian.net/
http://www.originalintent.org/edu/thelaw.php
it's all about keeping politicians judges and lawyer .. with accountants and doctors thrown in for good measure .. feed .. wealthy .. and in control of our lives ..
.. except to protect and fulfill the above reality .. and the interests of the few(patent holders) versus the many ..
.. is just the inevitable outcome of limited dictatorships(party politics) and the rule of law .. as a means of organizing and controlling society .. they look and sound good .. but don't work .. neither of which has anything to do with natural persons being in control of their own lives ..
.. doctors .. or accountants .. and that judges are all lawyers appointed by politicians to interpret the laws they make???
.. have sworn oaths of office on a book that expressly forbids the swearing of oaths .. by arguably the most important figure in the book "Jesus Christ" .. and the book is the "bible" ..
.. the adversary and the prosecuting attorney(lawyer) .. whom christ condemned for having taken the "KEY" of knowledge(of good and evil) .. and the fact that for hundreds of years the court has required that people swear and oath on the bible to validate their testimony ..
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.. a good place to start is studying the work of John Taylor Gatto re: public education(legislated mass brainwashing) and Stanley Milgram re: obedience (especially after public education)
.. the NWO .. and the end times .. it creeps in one day and one law at a time ..
patents have no place in a "free market"
the absurdity of it all
ever notice how all most all politicians(law makers) are either lawyers
the real joke is that the vast majority of all these blood sucking top feeders and their enforcers(the police)
"Matthew 5:33-37 33 " Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.' 34 "But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35 "nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 "Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 "But let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No.' For whatever is more than these is from the evil one."
note: there are only two original definitions for the word Satan
they obviously have not read the "book" or did they??
if you really want to begin to understand it all
welcome to 1984
Revelation 17:15,17 15 Then he said to me, "The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 17 "For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.
in your Saudi Arabia experience piece you say ..
.. "reality"
.. but i think you and many others are very naive about common peoples level of awareness and tolerance of the world around them .. but then again the most people are pretty common .. especially ones who have gone through the public education system(Mass Brainwashing) and are subjected to Private Mass Media(Propaganda) ..
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.. not for having killed someone else .. just simply for having made a mistake ..
"No normal citizen of a secular "western" nation would tolerate this level of interference with his or her"
no offence intended
i would suggest you investigate the work of Stanley Milgram http://www.stanleymilgram.com/ to get a feeling for what common people will tolerate
basically 65-70% of any average population is willing to put someone to death on the word of an authority figure for having done nothing more that make a mistake
not for having committed a crime
Freedom of will .. freedom of speech .. freedom of action .. the protection of the public good and Censorship ..
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.. free speech and the freedom of the press .. are really most often about opposites of issues ..
.. can only mean .. that anyone and everyone is free to say what they please .. apart .. from the freedom to and of acting on ones thoughts or words .. especially where and when the physical sovereignty of persons is involved ..
.. can only means everyone and anyone has free and equal access to the media ..
.. there is indeed no freedom of the press ..
.. freedom of the press has nothing to do with .. someone or anyone .. via mass limited access media being able to continually and repeatedly expressing a limited position and opinion .. without equal amounts of time for varied other and opposing points of view ..
.. if one is truly seeking public order .. with restricting thoughts and ideas that encourage separation .. segregation and acts of aggression .. or acts of violence against other persons ..
.. when threatened with or experiencing harm form others ..
.. believes or morals .. but posses no direct threat to persons and does not promote or encourage such actions .. is indeed censorship of free speech ..
.. LAWS .. that try to make it criminal to express anger and hate towards others .. with just cause for violation of persons .. are just ideals go astray .. and a denial of human fear and emotion when confronted with threats and acts of violence towards persons..
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.. to say as it pleases .. under the guise of free speech is untrue .. unwise and a lie .. and will in time most certainly fail ..
.. if i have freedom of speech but no freedom of action .. it is really nothing but hot air ..
.. it is nothing but mass brain washing and propaganda ..
.. just true good and wise governance ..
.. if you intention is for the freedom and well being of the greater majority of the people ..
.. for the benefit of a few .. and the control of the many .. by a few ..
.. argue that it is a censorship of their free speech ..
are in fact really about the same issue
were as
true free speech
a true free press
for if only those who can pay have access to the press
moreover
at the same time there is nothing wrong
as the sovereignty of being is the only real right and true desire of almost all beings
preventing others from expressing there opinion because it offends your sensibilities
at the same time
and destined to fail being able to resolve grievances of violation amongst humankind
but defending the freedom of the press
as well
and unless everyone has equal and direct access to the media
restricting the transmission of thoughts and ideas that are threatening and destabalizing to the the well being of the majority is
that is
as opposed to
then some can and probably will
everyone should have the opportunity to publicly express their opinion
it's your future .. 1984 is all about the technical future .. not to mention generational amnesia
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got it yet
don't worry it's already been implemented ..
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.. wait we can fix that .. and that .. and that ..
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.. globalization .. genetic engineering and modern medicine ..
.. it's to little and to late ..
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they are called humans
they think they are intelligent enough to f**k with a system as complex and evolved as a bio-sphere and get away without unforeseen dire consequences
oh!! oh!!
the planet will have the last say
and the fundamentalist have not even though to ask were do the new plagues of Revelation come from anyway
from colonialism
by the time you realize it was a mistake
if humans were really exhibiting intelligence they would know enough not to f**k with it
oh!! please give me the control .. i want to make him dance .. ..
.. so they could study burns ..
maybe just a few jolts for good measure
like the lab techs i saw taking a blowtorch to a pig
i was born a free and sovereign being ..
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.. so often espoused these days .. is a very convenient system for controlling natural beings .. by those in a privileged position of power.. haven't you noticed how the vast majority of politicians are either lawyers .. doctors .. or accountants ..
.. forgive me .. their education makes them qualified and gives them the "right" to rule over my life ..
.. though still to limiting links:
.. is knowing that it is destined to fail miserably and most likely with a catastrophic result .. though it maybe with a whimper do to a lack of atmospheric oxygen ..
i never granted anyone authority over my life and being
i don't require anyone granting me rights and privileges
and i never agreed to play by anyone's rules
but the vast majority of people
who have gone through the state controlled education system (mass brain washing) and grown up being influenced by a corporate controlled media (propaganda machine)
are not likely to know or remember this fact..
the vast majority of beings are/have accepted a "Social" world based on competition and control VS cooperation and empowerment
the rule of law and political party based democracy (limited dictatorships)
oh!
John Taylor Gatto - Challenging the Myths of Modern Schooling
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/
The Underground History of American Education
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm
some relevant
How I Clobberd Every Bureaucratic Cash-Confiscatory Agency Known To Man- Mary Croft
http://www.wealth4freedom.com/law/Mary.htm
Natural person - Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_person
Paradigm
http://www.naturalperson.com/
Natural Persons
http://naturalpersons.org/
the only comforting fact in my life
so what we have .. is that in the for profit model(capitalism) .. there are insufficient resources to provide for truth .. honesty .. and facts ..
.. who would have guessed that something would and WILL get sacrificed .. when and as long as there is a bottom line to be meet ..
gee
it wasn't to really to avoid secret prisons
it was about saving capitalism
opposing party political systems are not democracies
in a real and true democracy there can be no representation in lieu of the people
which is independent of the economic system they choose implement
nice news speak
anyone beyond the border of even a city state
and despite commonly held beliefs in america and other primarily white so called christian/jewish countries
not to mention the dictator in commands statement
i would say a good reason for anyone to launch their own gps system
well put ..
.. just what the Military Industrial Entertainment beast requires/ordered .. to keep it rich and keep it in power ..
.. the things the "other" guy did .. that make him the EVIL one ..
.. rather than more selfish .. capitalistic .. and greedy .. (easier to sell)
.. by way of mass brain washing (public education) .. would rather accept that 90+ percent of the wealth belongs in the hands of 10- percent of the people .. they earned it after all !!
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.. and in public places ..
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.. but we don't strike first .. and only as a last resort do we condone the use of force ..
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.. with laser sights and night vision .. in WMDs from 20,000 ft. or in armored vehicles .. in kevlar body armour .. or under the cover of dark ..
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.. we're suppose to turn the other cheek .. and to love our enemy .. but you would have to be some kind of fool to do something like that ..
another arms race
i'm old enough to remember
like being more selfless (love of neighbor) communist
but we
having to carry state identity cards that must be presented on demand to the state police/army
random searches on or to use public transportation
monitoring of my communications and activities
large numbers of unjustly imprisoned people
etc. etc. etc.
and last but not least we are the good guys because we will defend ourselves
we are real men who fight man to man
not like cowards
not like those cowardly suicide bomber who can look you in the eye before they die
actually as near as i can recall
if you read the statements from politicians and Law enforcement officials carefully .. when they are pleading their case for decreasing civil liberties in the fight against terrorism .. they always add .. and to help fight "CRIME" ..
ie. those pesky civil liberties that make their job of fighting crime more difficult .. ie. tracking software piracy etc.
for right wing politicians who think that it is their job to enforce the law and punish sinners .. the war on terrorism is a blessing in disguise ..
i have looked for it many times .. but have been unable to find the speech that Bush made shortly after 9/11 in which he said something like "and let us forget the opportunities that this event provides" with his cheshire cat smile ..
although they are not expected to ship until august
http://www.alphagrip.com/index.html
also with regards to RSI the Datahand is a very good
http://www.datahand.com/
and you are a 40-something corporate wage slave .. who knows the harsh realities of the rEAL wORLD .. right?
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.. through steady political influence and legal influence .. they have achieve an insurmountable advantage over the individuals of the world ..
.. but they have made a calculated and spectacular comeback ..
D =21
.. like it or not .. or be killed .. mark of the beast and all ..
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.. as well as limited social and legal liability ..
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.. why do you think animals become social int the first place .. as well as full social and legal liability .. and in the course of time .. a no win situation ..
.. people that will accept this reality .. are asking for .. and some would say even deserve their fate .. to live their life in service to The Corp and it's owners ..
w arsmay79.shtml
.. as long as it's not called slavery and it does not look like slavery .. as long as there is no discrimination .. almost everyone is included .. except for the oWNERS (rulers) .. as long as i get a wage to pay for my keep .. i can believe .. can call my self free ..
.. deep down we all know how much it would really cost us .. to be a true individuals .. the corporate ace in the hole .. it's much easier to submit ..
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wrong
it is all corporations that are fundamentally evil
100-150 years ago the corporations had virtually no power to speak of
they almost lost in the late sixties early seventies
http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyI
and so we will all one day work for The Corp
The Corp and it owners has achieved a Win Win position
the power and advantage of the group
Were as the individual has been given a Lose Lose situation
the disadvantage of having to do everything for themselves
an all but inevitable fate
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/silentweaponsquiet
total slavery
after all
a bRAVE nEW wORLD
reason would suggest
that given the nature of the business
regardless of it's overall distribution around a mean
as reported recently in slashdot
seeking outside confirmation
and why is it do you think that humans might be wired to observe patterns ?
just some thoughts
where is the all but inevitable end of modern medicine's quest for practical immortality and the conquering of disease going to lead?
The David Suzuki Foundation refers to estimates based on ecological foot-printing http://dieoff.org/page110.htm and others
that somewhere between 4 & 5 planets would be required to provide just an "average" north american lifestyle to the current world population
just what do you think the average person is going to represent to someone who possesses such technology
so let's introduce and end to disease and the ability to provide "practical" physical immortality into the mix
which by the way would certainly appear to be the reason that man was kicked out of the garden of eden
NKJ Genesis 3
22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"
which though some what off topic
as the garden of eden is portrayed as an actual location on the earth
NKJ Genesis 3
24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life. (no mention of what guards the west entrance??)
and if you are good and truly religiously minded
NKJ Hebrews 11
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.(a very good definition for my money)
especially given that by my interpretation of the book
me thinks your starting to see the light
welcome to 1984 & the Brave New World
that's the beauty of the opposing party democracy system
if one thinks it through
which in this case is that 2-5% of the worlds population that controls 95-98% of the wealth
historically all that "they" have had to do is start a war
it is most easily achieved with the poorly educated
"they" have done enough study and profiling on the general population (with them paying the bill no less)
and as Stanley Milgram demonstrated
by the time they come to take you away
it is in all most all cases
if you are of a mind do a search for a document called "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars"
if there really was anything but hot air and BS
that really exists
i as an individual would be FREE
but then again
people that will accept the notions
P.S.
in order to have a truly valid claim to an intellectual property
you left of the most applicable part in this case
"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
mostly very true
"instruments of government" that are themselves the real problem
they are nothing but perversions and limitations of true freedom
the only pure and true form of democracy is Direct Democracy
your constitution does say: WE THE PEOPLE does it not
how and where did so many people
not very surprising when Public Education/Indoctrination is the source of their knowledge
it is the duty of all the citizens of a noble state to defend THEIR nation or to be known to one's self and others as a coward
did you say secure YOUR property rights
there is nothing more arbitrary and illusionary that property right
just ask the original indigenous inhabitants about the meaning of Property Rights