Fully agreed there. I'm a CNA, and while Z.E.N.Works is a bitch to set up, its capabilities are outstanding.
However, as much as I love Novell, there is no reason people (we definately are't talking about home users with Novell) should have to go outside of their operating system.
"The idea that Microsoft can change our software without notifying us is totally unacceptable," said one corporate IT manager. "Any alteration to our standard configuration can only be rolled out after careful evaluation and testing. Does Microsoft have no clue?"
I guess it takes these kind of things to force people in these positions to begin to realize this.
Several readers were also worried that Microsoft's broad assertion of its right to access their computers would force their companies into noncompliance with government security guidelines and various privacy laws.
If they are pushed this far, Microsoft is going to begin losing some important customers. Or at the very least, miffing them off.
...it would seem Microsoft's idea of a security update is one that protects the property rights of vendors, not the security of customers' systems.
That has been known for a long time, but this is just dragging it in the open.
"If the user elects not to update the security component, he or she will be unable to play content protected by our DRM from that point forward, although content previously obtained would still be usable."
I love this balancing act. Makes it sound like the customer has a choice. Which they do! But, look at the concequence (?).
That's not a concept that will make anyone other than Bill Gates feel very secure.
Which is the only person who matters in this game, and people know it.
That said, the vast majority of that *was* for NNTP - so that's local bandwidth use on Rogers own network - not off of it.
Are you sure about that? The NNTP server for me is named something.myisp.tld , however further investigation shows it is no where on thier own network, in fact it's 4 hops away from any part of their network.
My biggest problem with this pricing scheme is that it is was announced at the same time - ON THE SAME DAY - as Rogers access to the @Home NNTP newservers went dark.
Hrm. That does suck. Maybe their NNTP servers are off their network:/
I encourage others to give the BBC positive comments, and encourage them to continue the testing, and beyond.
Send them to oggfeedback@bbc.co.uk
Here is what I sent:
Subject: Thank You! Keep it up!
Thank you for testing your streaming with ogg. Myself and hundreds of thousands of unix and unix-like operating system users around the world truly appreciate this.
It's often hard to have faith in large media companies. The BBC has always been the exception in my mind, and here it's shown again.
This is especially useful being in the USA, as it is very difficult to get your radio programming. I'll surely be listening using ogg frequently.
I hope the testing goes well, and ogg streaming becomes a future daily stream.
Good Day
Yes I know its not just unix / unix-like operating systems.
I can never get anything from the entire pbs.org domain to come up, for the past few months. Not even so much as any sort of icmp error messages from anywhere.
Am I alone here?
Win(lin?)dows viruses with LindowsOS targets...
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Ahh yes I can see it now. Since you're root, and running Outlook on your setup, you get a nice VBScript virus which executes rm -rf/.
Attempting to run windows apps on top of another OS is HOPELESS.
And possibly violating an EULA or ten, or otherwise illegal... supposedly in IE's case.
No business in its right mind is going to depend on this software.
I don't think its aimed at businesses. And most aren't in their right mind... *cough*.
Propriatery fun land / pick a f*cking OS
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Nice to know we're heading down the shitty propriatary route again.
News flash!: Critical remote vulernability in the closed source propriatary code of LindowsOS WINE! AND OF COURSE ITS A ROOT VULNERABILITY! Yes kiddies, have fun sitting around and having to wait for a binary patch. Hrm, SOUND FAMILIAR?!
On other notes. People, if you want to run windows...
RUN WINDOWS!!! DON'T TRY TO FUCKING PRETEND... **JESUS**
Pick a god damn operating system, and quit trying to pretend to be another. If you miss your oh so valuable MS producs that bad, dual boot.
I find it annoying when people want to do things like this on linux... Fer chrissake its supposed to be a serving environment not a silly play environment like certain other OS's.
"DMA members will be booted out of the association if they don't follow these rules," said Jerry Cerasale, the DMA's senior vice president of government affairs.
Hmmm. If they put action to those words, then I'll tip my hat off to them. This would be great to see, and restore at least a smidgen of respect for them and their memebers.
Cerasale said the organization's board of directors Saturday approved the new rules, called "Commercial Solicitations Online Guidelines," but that they had yet to notify DMA members.
Heh, how many do you think will jump ship? I'd be surprised if less than 15% did so. Be intersting to see.
All thoughts of their past products aside, who really is going to trust Microsoft?
Convicted or not, it's going to take a HELL of a lot more than 'just security' to even begin to get your typical home MS customer to consider not buying the next operating system subscription.
They know the bully only wants to get them backed into a corner; what makes us treat Microsoft any different?
Customers don't even see who the bully is yet! We're a long way from that point too.
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Well, they can just stuff it away somewhere in the EULA.
And as much as I do not like MS, it *IS* on the user to read that and accept it, and if they don't, don't use the damn product.
Fully agreed there. I'm a CNA, and while Z.E.N.Works is a bitch to set up, its capabilities are outstanding.
However, as much as I love Novell, there is no reason people (we definately are't talking about home users with Novell) should have to go outside of their operating system.
"The idea that Microsoft can change our software without notifying us is totally unacceptable," said one corporate IT manager. "Any alteration to our standard configuration can only be rolled out after careful evaluation and testing. Does Microsoft have no clue?"
...it would seem Microsoft's idea of a security update is one that protects the property rights of vendors, not the security of customers' systems.
I guess it takes these kind of things to force people in these positions to begin to realize this.
Several readers were also worried that Microsoft's broad assertion of its right to access their computers would force their companies into noncompliance with government security guidelines and various privacy laws.
If they are pushed this far, Microsoft is going to begin losing some important customers. Or at the very least, miffing them off.
That has been known for a long time, but this is just dragging it in the open.
"If the user elects not to update the security component, he or she will be unable to play content protected by our DRM from that point forward, although content previously obtained would still be usable."
I love this balancing act. Makes it sound like the customer has a choice. Which they do! But, look at the concequence (?).
That's not a concept that will make anyone other than Bill Gates feel very secure.
Which is the only person who matters in this game, and people know it.
I don't have sympathy for someone with so many problems with the service, who then continues to pay for it.
That said, the vast majority of that *was* for NNTP - so that's local bandwidth use on Rogers own network - not off of it.
:/
Are you sure about that? The NNTP server for me is named something.myisp.tld , however further investigation shows it is no where on thier own network, in fact it's 4 hops away from any part of their network.
My biggest problem with this pricing scheme is that it is was announced at the same time - ON THE SAME DAY - as Rogers access to the @Home NNTP newservers went dark.
Hrm. That does suck. Maybe their NNTP servers are off their network
... so convincing the wife to up that by $40 per month to keep the current crappy service is not going to happen.
Who wears the pants there again?
$199 Dollars? Hah. Gimme a break. And I though paying for a Linux distro was just plain immoral.
ONE HUDRED NINETY NINE??
HEH!
I encourage others to give the BBC positive comments, and encourage them to continue the testing, and beyond.
Send them to oggfeedback@bbc.co.uk
Here is what I sent:
Subject: Thank You! Keep it up!
Thank you for testing your streaming with ogg. Myself and hundreds of thousands of unix and unix-like operating system users around the world truly appreciate this.
It's often hard to have faith in large media companies. The BBC has always been the exception in my mind, and here it's shown again.
This is especially useful being in the USA, as it is very difficult to get your radio programming. I'll surely be listening using ogg frequently.
I hope the testing goes well, and ogg streaming becomes a future daily stream.
Good Day
Yes I know its not just unix / unix-like operating systems.
Hey slashdot, lets remove this Kitt user. Total garbage.
Speaking as an Australian, I hold some hope your painfully US-centric attitude can be rectified.
Indeed. Most of us aren't like that, course we don't get noticed.
It's the assholes who get noticed.
From the first time I used SILC about a year ago, I told people to use this. It's great, I just wish more people used it.
I've got a server I can run if anyone is interested in screwing around.
Your signature rocks. I'm pissed that I wasn't that creative now heh.
I was just singing along to it to hehe. Maybe we should come up with a full version of that.
I can never get anything from the entire pbs.org domain to come up, for the past few months. Not even so much as any sort of icmp error messages from anywhere.
Am I alone here?
Ahh yes I can see it now. Since you're root, and running Outlook on your setup, you get a nice VBScript virus which executes rm -rf /.
Heh, PUMA!!
Attempting to run windows apps on top of another OS is HOPELESS.
And possibly violating an EULA or ten, or otherwise illegal... supposedly in IE's case.
No business in its right mind is going to depend on this software.
I don't think its aimed at businesses. And most aren't in their right mind... *cough*.
Nice to know we're heading down the shitty propriatary route again.
News flash!: Critical remote vulernability in the closed source propriatary code of LindowsOS WINE! AND OF COURSE ITS A ROOT VULNERABILITY! Yes kiddies, have fun sitting around and having to wait for a binary patch. Hrm, SOUND FAMILIAR?!
On other notes. People, if you want to run windows...
RUN WINDOWS!!! DON'T TRY TO FUCKING PRETEND... **JESUS**
Pick a god damn operating system, and quit trying to pretend to be another. If you miss your oh so valuable MS producs that bad, dual boot.
Gimme some karma, baby.
Haha. That DOES sound like something that he'd say on LKML :P
Here's my point. It's not the OS it's the user that sucks. If it's user friendly, you get stupider people.
.. just got sit in #linux on many irc networks, and watch.
Ala RedHat / Mandrake
I find it annoying when people want to do things like this on linux... Fer chrissake its supposed to be a serving environment not a silly play environment like certain other OS's.
Heh heh heh. No shit.
My 83 year old grandfather gets multiple ads (snail mail) a WEEK on enhancing his sex life.
You'd think these idiots would have one thing in their database that couldn't go wrong: number of days old / 365.
Heh, jackasses are indeed funny. At least he gets a chuckle out of it too.
You're off by one decimal place! And it AIN'T movin to the right!
:P
You think they care what anyone else is doing? Maybe they do, but of course first comes themselves and their own members.
And no, of COURSE this wouldn't change a damn thing outside of DMA.
"DMA members will be booted out of the association if they don't follow these rules," said Jerry Cerasale, the DMA's senior vice president of government affairs.
Hmmm. If they put action to those words, then I'll tip my hat off to them. This would be great to see, and restore at least a smidgen of respect for them and their memebers.
Cerasale said the organization's board of directors Saturday approved the new rules, called "Commercial Solicitations Online Guidelines," but that they had yet to notify DMA members.
Heh, how many do you think will jump ship? I'd be surprised if less than 15% did so. Be intersting to see.
It's been many years that my standards of quality have been much higher than Microsoft's...
High enough to be an official MicroSoft mingion right?
Mmmkay.....
All thoughts of their past products aside, who really is going to trust Microsoft?
Convicted or not, it's going to take a HELL of a lot more than 'just security' to even begin to get your typical home MS customer to consider not buying the next operating system subscription.
They know the bully only wants to get them backed into a corner; what makes us treat Microsoft any different?
Customers don't even see who the bully is yet! We're a long way from that point too.