You can charge what you will for verbatim (un-modified) copies of the source. but if you sell someone the binary, the source must either accompany the binary, or be offered "for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution".
This condition must be accompanied by a written offer to the buyer or any third party. What this means is that if I haven't purchased the binary (inside the router) I can't demand they give me the source. I have to negotiate for it; they can demand any price they want.
See the "any third party" clause above and revise your opinion, please. They chose option b), so they need to live by it.
I can give you a test case. Interested? I live in Thailand, and low end computers (what we're talking about, right?) with Windows typically start at around 22,000 Baht, while those without an OS or with Linux start in the 11-13,000 Bath range. Prices have fallen for OS-less computersin the three years that I have been here. Secondly, the least expensive new computer on the market is 10,900 Baht, and has sold about 100,000 machines so far, with 1,000,000 machines expected by by the end of the year. These machines all come with Linux pre-installed.
MS's response? Lower their price for XP Home and Office Standard to 1490 Baht for the set, from an original price of 13,500 Baht MS computers are, therefore, now available for 12,390, a drop of about 40%. Significant?
My point? OS-less computers cost less, and MS reduces its price accordingly, saving the consumer significant money, invalidating your position.
Translation: "M$ is teh sux" -- since I don't even know what this means, I can't really comment on it, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't what my original post intended, considering "M$" never occurred.
More importantly, I was addressing the point of your original post, as I read it, which was that MS (no $) was responsible for the standardization of the computer industry, and I disagreed. I woundn't have argued against your point if it was that MS made software more affordable, because many software houses then had a common framework on which to compete, but you were talking about hardware. MS had nothing to do with the affordability of hardware platforms, because they began competing, again, on a single platform. Anyway, by the time Cyrix, AMD, and WinChip became serious players, I'm pretty sure all the new machines were selling Win95.
Finally, learn to argue civily and brush up on your homophones, and people will take your opinions more seriously. If you're just having a bad day, then my apologies.
You can check my sig if you want some more info, but the executive summary is:
MS has dropped the price of MS Windows to an insanely low price in Thailand, but only for computers under the governments new low-cost computer initiative, which come with a localized version of Linux. One can only assume that this is not to combat piracy, but to reduce the number of these one million machines that will reach home with LinuxTLE still on them.
While many have roasted your opinion, I will add some more heat. There were several competing DOS versions which offered general compatibilty with each other. I didn't pay much attention because I was still spending sleepless nights with my Model I.
The price for an IBM was about the same as my Tandy with a disk drive upgrade. Prices stayed at about $2000 for a long time. The real price drops occured when the hardware vendors got competition in the form of Cyrix, AMD, and WinChip. The world moved from proprietary standards on hardware to mostly open standards to save money, just as there will be a similar move in software over the next few years.
The first change mostly sucked for manufacturers who lost their cash cow, and the second will cut the fat from the software industry (may already have happened).
I agree. It's dangerous to forget the difference between representative government and dictatorship, but it is easy to blur the line when the dictator is acting well and the representatives are acting poorly. I got called into a room several times while I was in Beijing to be told the limits of my freedom in the PRC. Things looked fine and free there until you crossed that invisible line.
My my JieJie*'s brother had his leg blown off in TianAnMen after I had left.
*JieJie means older sister, but she was just a close friend for years.
In Thailand, MS has lowered the cost of XP Home and Office Standard to about $35 for the pair, specifically for the $250 (complete, ready-to-use) low-cost PC coming onto the market this week.
While Final Fantasy looked quite amazing, the story and the movie just didn't fit in like most of the PIXAR movies
Which brings up a rule I have: any movie made from a video game will suck. I haven't found an exception yet.
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I intend to immediately begin testing this as a replacement for PhPGroupware in our small business. I hope that it works as well as expected. We like PhPGroupware, but a web interface is often kludgey and slow.
I'm not sure if restaurants were a good example, considering they have a massive failure record, unles they are a franchise, and it's extremely difficult to do anything but just get by with them. I, however, agree with you: the US is overdue for another revolution. Now we just need someone to lead our army to the gates of Hell, and burn them down.
I don't know about your situation, but the people who use Win4Lin as a term server are required by the Windows lisence to have a different image for each computer with appropriate lisence.
The anser: no.
Now for the explanation. I found this all out almost two years ago when exploring Linux terminal servers for a language lab. Microsoft has no such thing as concurrent licensing. Windows 2000 Terminal Server keeps a database with all of the clients which have connected, and uses one of your CALs for that machine. Win98 is also tied only to one machine. Some older version of Windows, if I remember correctly, has a hole in the license, but it's something like 3.1, which is hardly any consolation.
I am over 30, and the hair in the middile of my face is tough (maybe not as much as yours, but I could never use a disposable), just that I have almost none on the sides of my face. Wearing a beard saves me the pain and blood of trying to shave my neck.
I have almost no hair on the sides of my face, so I grow a moustache and beard in the cold season, shaving the sides every day or maybe two. My use of blades goes down dramatically for about 6 months a year.
Yeah. Isn't it funny how the "Can I impliment this in.Net?" question got a shitload of "Use LAMP!" answers. I didn't even really see any Mono recommendations (not knowing anything about Mono, I assume that means it's not ready). LAMP isn't a magic elixer(sp?). You can't use it for everything. Well, OK, I use it for everything, but it's company stuff and the company is small. Everyone else should evaluate the options they have, though. Give me some.Net (or at least some Mono) answers, please!
If they must use the MSN client, however, then they have to purchase MS windows of some sort to use the "free" messenger. And for those respondents: yes I know you can probably get it going under Wine, but I don't accept that given the EULA
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You can charge what you will for verbatim (un-modified) copies of the source. but if you sell someone the binary, the source must either accompany the binary, or be offered "for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution".
This condition must be accompanied by a written offer to the buyer or any third party.
What this means is that if I haven't purchased the binary (inside the router) I can't demand they give me the source. I have to negotiate for it; they can demand any price they want.
See the "any third party" clause above and revise your opinion, please. They chose option b), so they need to live by it.
I can give you a test case. Interested? I live in Thailand, and low end computers (what we're talking about, right?) with Windows typically start at around 22,000 Baht, while those without an OS or with Linux start in the 11-13,000 Bath range. Prices have fallen for OS-less computersin the three years that I have been here. Secondly, the least expensive new computer on the market is 10,900 Baht, and has sold about 100,000 machines so far, with 1,000,000 machines expected by by the end of the year. These machines all come with Linux pre-installed.
MS's response? Lower their price for XP Home and Office Standard to 1490 Baht for the set, from an original price of 13,500 Baht MS computers are, therefore, now available for 12,390, a drop of about 40%. Significant?
My point? OS-less computers cost less, and MS reduces its price accordingly, saving the consumer significant money, invalidating your position.
Translation: "M$ is teh sux" -- since I don't even know what this means, I can't really comment on it, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't what my original post intended, considering "M$" never occurred.
More importantly, I was addressing the point of your original post, as I read it, which was that MS (no $) was responsible for the standardization of the computer industry, and I disagreed. I woundn't have argued against your point if it was that MS made software more affordable, because many software houses then had a common framework on which to compete, but you were talking about hardware. MS had nothing to do with the affordability of hardware platforms, because they began competing, again, on a single platform. Anyway, by the time Cyrix, AMD, and WinChip became serious players, I'm pretty sure all the new machines were selling Win95.
Finally, learn to argue civily and brush up on your homophones, and people will take your opinions more seriously. If you're just having a bad day, then my apologies.
You can check my sig if you want some more info, but the executive summary is:
MS has dropped the price of MS Windows to an insanely low price in Thailand, but only for computers under the governments new low-cost computer initiative, which come with a localized version of Linux. One can only assume that this is not to combat piracy, but to reduce the number of these one million machines that will reach home with LinuxTLE still on them.
While many have roasted your opinion, I will add some more heat. There were several competing DOS versions which offered general compatibilty with each other. I didn't pay much attention because I was still spending sleepless nights with my Model I.
The price for an IBM was about the same as my Tandy with a disk drive upgrade. Prices stayed at about $2000 for a long time. The real price drops occured when the hardware vendors got competition in the form of Cyrix, AMD, and WinChip. The world moved from proprietary standards on hardware to mostly open standards to save money, just as there will be a similar move in software over the next few years.
The first change mostly sucked for manufacturers who lost their cash cow, and the second will cut the fat from the software industry (may already have happened).
In what universe Mortal Kombat counts as not bad I have no idea.
I agree. It's dangerous to forget the difference between representative government and dictatorship, but it is easy to blur the line when the dictator is acting well and the representatives are acting poorly. I got called into a room several times while I was in Beijing to be told the limits of my freedom in the PRC. Things looked fine and free there until you crossed that invisible line.
My my JieJie*'s brother had his leg blown off in TianAnMen after I had left. *JieJie means older sister, but she was just a close friend for years.
Damn it! That's supposed to be BoPoMoFo, not bomopofo.
- you appear to know what you're talking about
- It's been about 15 years since I studied Mandarin seriously.
I seem to remeber an input method from long ago based on bomopofo (remembering correctly?) Has that disappeared?In Thailand, MS has lowered the cost of XP Home and Office Standard to about $35 for the pair, specifically for the $250 (complete, ready-to-use) low-cost PC coming onto the market this week.
While Final Fantasy looked quite amazing, the story and the movie just didn't fit in like most of the PIXAR movies
Which brings up a rule I have: any movie made from a video game will suck. I haven't found an exception yet.
I intend to immediately begin testing this as a replacement for PhPGroupware in our small business. I hope that it works as well as expected. We like PhPGroupware, but a web interface is often kludgey and slow.
"Release early, release often?"
I'm not sure if restaurants were a good example, considering they have a massive failure record, unles they are a franchise, and it's extremely difficult to do anything but just get by with them. I, however, agree with you: the US is overdue for another revolution. Now we just need someone to lead our army to the gates of Hell, and burn them down.
However, Sony and Philips have always been interested in establishing firm and open standards, see DAT, see CD.
And what about BetaMax? Open?
I don't know about your situation, but the people who use Win4Lin as a term server are required by the Windows lisence to have a different image for each computer with appropriate lisence.
The anser: no.
Now for the explanation. I found this all out almost two years ago when exploring Linux terminal servers for a language lab. Microsoft has no such thing as concurrent licensing. Windows 2000 Terminal Server keeps a database with all of the clients which have connected, and uses one of your CALs for that machine. Win98 is also tied only to one machine. Some older version of Windows, if I remember correctly, has a hole in the license, but it's something like 3.1, which is hardly any consolation.
I am over 30, and the hair in the middile of my face is tough (maybe not as much as yours, but I could never use a disposable), just that I have almost none on the sides of my face. Wearing a beard saves me the pain and blood of trying to shave my neck.
I have almost no hair on the sides of my face, so I grow a moustache and beard in the cold season, shaving the sides every day or maybe two. My use of blades goes down dramatically for about 6 months a year.
In my home's pidgin, it would be "You like one beer or what, eh?"
Yeah. Isn't it funny how the "Can I impliment this in .Net?" question got a shitload of "Use LAMP!" answers. I didn't even really see any Mono recommendations (not knowing anything about Mono, I assume that means it's not ready). LAMP isn't a magic elixer(sp?). You can't use it for everything. Well, OK, I use it for everything, but it's company stuff and the company is small. Everyone else should evaluate the options they have, though. Give me some .Net (or at least some Mono) answers, please!
I wasn't aguing legally, just ehtically. I have no idea what the judges think, but I know that it requires someone to purchase Windows.
If they must use the MSN client, however, then they have to purchase MS windows of some sort to use the "free" messenger. And for those respondents: yes I know you can probably get it going under Wine, but I don't accept that given the EULA
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I do it all the time, and I never have any problems.