A lot of people still believe that will happen. In fact, the Ministry of Information and Computer Technology is setting to announce a thin client program for schools to reuse their old equipment, and I may be helping to develop a distro for it.
Although Oracle is a competitor to MS with MSSql (though I'd say MS doesn't really stand on the same field as Oracle) and, so, has a bias in announcing this, it's not like Ellison is a nobody in the IT industry. It matters because it's coming from one of the IT leaders. I see Oracle putting a lot of effort into Linux, so he probably really believes this.
I just wish that the syntax for XUL would stop moving. I am trying to learn it now, on my own, and everything that I can find is only relavent to mox 1.0 (or pre). Every point release seems to change it, and I can't find any good documentation on it.
You realize that this is not the same motherboard? I found one of these the other day in my quest for the Via board, and the price for it was 1600 baht, or under $US40. In my opinion, the SIS630 chipset has been around for a while and is fairly well supported under Linux, so I would actually prefer the cheaper board. You can buy a full system from the shop I saw it at complete with speakers and 15" monitor for only 10,xxx baht, or about $US250. Nice. I could buy a complete, new diskless client for 8,600 baht, or $US200.
Something similar happened to me: my ex-wife had a yeast infection, so we were looking for cures in a local drug store. It was winter, and I had a long overcoat on. Well, sometime while we were going through all the various remedies, one of them ended up in my coat pocket. We bought the one we wanted, but, when we got home, I found the other one. I sheepishly walked back to the drug store and tried to explain what happened and why I was bringing it back. No one believed that I had brought it back. My face was red!
Optical fiber is not required for shorter distances, however, because Fibre Channel also works using coaxial cable and ordinary telephone twisted pair. Fibre Channel offers point-to-point, switched, and loop interfaces.
I have to say that makes me think of putting one under the stairs for redundant storage. Too bad the prices for the hardware would be doubled in Thailand.
Why alienate 1% when using a standard format, you could alienate 0%?
I don't know... That didn't seem to work with IE and web standards. The question now is more like, "Why limit functionality by using a standard format, when we will only alienate about 1-2% of the market?" You seem to have forgotten history, and...
I know I just posted a little blurb about this above, but I want to tell you that the fifteen local computers makers here have started putting branded linux as standard on all their machines (other OS are extra). I'm not talking about a wallpaper here, I mean all new icons with the company logo for the menu bar, hand picked apps with modifications, etc... My recent jaunt to the local hypermarket found all six of the desktops and all three of the laptops sporting some kind of branded KDE with Mozilla, Evolution and Gnome-meeting as defaults on the KDE desktop, with the whole system available in Thai. In fact, Thailand's Ministry of ICT is preparing to announce a Linux distro and an OpenOffice fork as the national OS and Office suite, respectively. I want to put an article together on all this, and am trying to schedule interviews and translate the necessary articles into English this week.
Well, it shows the IBM with 416 minutes of battery life, while running a 1.3GHz, 1.5GHz, or 1.6GHz and a 64MB ATI Mobility FireGL. Not too shabby, I say, although it comes with Windows XP Professional, XP Home, 2000, 98 Gold, 98 SE, or NT 4.0 (with Service Pack 6a). Most of our laptops made locally here are getting breanded Linux on them. I buy my stuff domestic.
Since this article is about a Linux kernel tweak, I find all the X stuff extremely off-topic, but I commend your attitude, and say that I would move to a BSD if network tranparency disappears. I wanted to say, virtually verbatim, what you said, but held my tongue until I could read the 20 or so screens of wailing about how X is too slow.
I run only eight clients off of my single machine, but that is a lowly D850 with 256MB, and the only speed problems that I ever have are related to my clients using 10Mb half-duplex network cards.
My question about the problem with X is this -- If X is so slow, and Linux sucks so bad, then why are the Winex guys getting better framerates for their games designed for Windows than they do in Windows itself?
<sarcasm>How can they even make this silly claim? Don't they know that X is a useless piece of crap? I demand that they retract their statements about improved performance immediately.</sarcasm>
Exactly, my girlfriend has done two searches recently for education purposes, the first about KISS dollz, and the second about grizzly bears: both turned up obscene results which she, as a non-native speaker, wasn't able to screen out. (OT, I didn't know that grizzly bear meant two hairy, fat men getting it on. It may be a year before that picture is out of my head.)
I don't see her problem as any different than most children would face. These were innocuous searches, after all.
Apt is and has been included in the (soon-to-be-national) Thai linux distro that I use, LinuxTLE. Local mirrors and everything, all run off a seriously fat pipe donated by the government.
In short, I find it very useful and have some experience with it, but find that it fails miserably on anything like an apt-get dist-upgrade, most recently asking to remove the followinf very important packages:
console-tools libcfont.so.0 (due to console-tools) libconsole.so.0 (due to
console-tools) libctgeneric.so.0 (due to console-tools) libctutils.so.0 (due
to console-tools)/usr/bin/loadkeys (due to console-tools) ntsysv sendmail
I no longer live in the US, but I always hated the California and Illinois lottery commercials showing someone in a tux stepping out of their stretch limo with a beautiful woman on each arm, all for winning a scratch $10000 lottery prize. I say that, if it weren't the gov't making such a commercial, it would have been pulled as fraudulent immediately.
I guess that's another tick for "people who suck at math."
Dan
What can you say? They frakked it up! haha hehe huhu. I crack me up. OK, you can mod me to oblivion now...
You know you used to run around getting hit for saying "frak" just like I did.
If you're misinformed, then so am I... I'd hoped Trolltech might have recouped whatever costs they have and then released Qt under something like the GPL - who knows, they still might?
No offense, but you're misinformed. It's been a long time since QT was released GPL, which is exactly the problem that the grandparent is referring too. There is no LGPL QT, either full GPL or commercial license.
Does the license for QT cost significantly any more than, say, a license for MS development?
I've noticed that when I'm on the wife Windows XP I start to do someting, and have to stop myself because the software isn't in there.
Just a tip... When you're on your wife, it should be the hardware that's in there. Maybe you should try more foreplay, but don't worry, it happens to us all!
The problem is that the PRC is still a Mao Zi Tong style communist state. They control everything. Have you ever lived there? There's no "make people depend on them." There's only "require obience or disappear." There are no high obligatory taxes, because the state determines profession, pay, and housing. There's no suing people, only swift and merciless justice. They do not try to monopolize services, because they are the one and only provider, unless they, for some short perion of time, decide to "open the door" and let competitors in until they actually become competitive. Ask any of the US aeronautical companies who went in their around '86 how they feel about the situation there. Whatever MS has done, it pales in comparison to the slaughtering of untold millions of people simply because they were educated.
Put simply, I wholeheartedly disagree with you.
I understand your point, but, as far as I know, a REAL thin client solution is not possible on Windows without using a Linux netboot into RDP. The Windows RDP situation requires a fat (bootable) client to run the program. This may be why. Additionally, from what I hear, the Windows Term Server requires many times more hardware for the servers than a *nix solution.
I recently made a presentation designed to educate English professors about setting up computer language labs, and when the example of an xterm setup that I used (culled from the real numbers at my own school) came up on the screen, gasps came from the audience. Almost none of them are in the position, however, to move to that solution. I could only do it because we designed the system and software from the ground up over the year before we opened.
there would be nothing to stop another program being written that uses the hit calculation formula to spit out cookie-cutter hit music.
Would that new piece then be a derivative work??? Quite possibly.
It keeps being tried every few years and keeps being rejected by corporations. These guys seem to be having no problem with being rejected. I put together my school's lab for about the cost of two serious desktops, networking included. In fact, Jim McQuillan seems to be making a reasonable living out of selling such systems. It all depends on where you sit, and what you need, I guess.
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A lot of people still believe that will happen. In fact, the Ministry of Information and Computer Technology is setting to announce a thin client program for schools to reuse their old equipment, and I may be helping to develop a distro for it.
Although Oracle is a competitor to MS with MSSql (though I'd say MS doesn't really stand on the same field as Oracle) and, so, has a bias in announcing this, it's not like Ellison is a nobody in the IT industry. It matters because it's coming from one of the IT leaders. I see Oracle putting a lot of effort into Linux, so he probably really believes this.
I just wish that the syntax for XUL would stop moving. I am trying to learn it now, on my own, and everything that I can find is only relavent to mox 1.0 (or pre). Every point release seems to change it, and I can't find any good documentation on it.
You know what? If you like ports, you should try Gentoo. Their portage system is awesome, or so I hear. You aughta try it out!
You realize that this is not the same motherboard? I found one of these the other day in my quest for the Via board, and the price for it was 1600 baht, or under $US40. In my opinion, the SIS630 chipset has been around for a while and is fairly well supported under Linux, so I would actually prefer the cheaper board. You can buy a full system from the shop I saw it at complete with speakers and 15" monitor for only 10,xxx baht, or about $US250. Nice. I could buy a complete, new diskless client for 8,600 baht, or $US200.
Something similar happened to me: my ex-wife had a yeast infection, so we were looking for cures in a local drug store. It was winter, and I had a long overcoat on. Well, sometime while we were going through all the various remedies, one of them ended up in my coat pocket. We bought the one we wanted, but, when we got home, I found the other one. I sheepishly walked back to the drug store and tried to explain what happened and why I was bringing it back. No one believed that I had brought it back. My face was red!
Optical fiber is not required for shorter distances, however, because Fibre Channel also works using coaxial cable and ordinary telephone twisted pair. Fibre Channel offers point-to-point, switched, and loop interfaces.
I have to say that makes me think of putting one under the stairs for redundant storage. Too bad the prices for the hardware would be doubled in Thailand.
Why alienate 1% when using a standard format, you could alienate 0%?
I don't know... That didn't seem to work with IE and web standards. The question now is more like, "Why limit functionality by using a standard format, when we will only alienate about 1-2% of the market?" You seem to have forgotten history, and...
I know I just posted a little blurb about this above, but I want to tell you that the fifteen local computers makers here have started putting branded linux as standard on all their machines (other OS are extra). I'm not talking about a wallpaper here, I mean all new icons with the company logo for the menu bar, hand picked apps with modifications, etc... My recent jaunt to the local hypermarket found all six of the desktops and all three of the laptops sporting some kind of branded KDE with Mozilla, Evolution and Gnome-meeting as defaults on the KDE desktop, with the whole system available in Thai. In fact, Thailand's Ministry of ICT is preparing to announce a Linux distro and an OpenOffice fork as the national OS and Office suite, respectively.
I want to put an article together on all this, and am trying to schedule interviews and translate the necessary articles into English this week.
Well, it shows the IBM with 416 minutes of battery life, while running a 1.3GHz, 1.5GHz, or 1.6GHz and a 64MB ATI Mobility FireGL. Not too shabby, I say, although it comes with Windows XP Professional, XP Home, 2000, 98 Gold, 98 SE, or NT 4.0 (with Service Pack 6a). Most of our laptops made locally here are getting breanded Linux on them. I buy my stuff domestic.
How do rate anything but "1, Abhorent, slimy, under the bridge troll?" Certainly, you are no "5, interesting."
I run only eight clients off of my single machine, but that is a lowly D850 with 256MB, and the only speed problems that I ever have are related to my clients using 10Mb half-duplex network cards.
My question about the problem with X is this -- If X is so slow, and Linux sucks so bad, then why are the Winex guys getting better framerates for their games designed for Windows than they do in Windows itself?
Exactly, my girlfriend has done two searches recently for education purposes, the first about KISS dollz, and the second about grizzly bears: both turned up obscene results which she, as a non-native speaker, wasn't able to screen out. (OT, I didn't know that grizzly bear meant two hairy, fat men getting it on. It may be a year before that picture is out of my head.)
I don't see her problem as any different than most children would face. These were innocuous searches, after all.
In short, I find it very useful and have some experience with it, but find that it fails miserably on anything like an apt-get dist-upgrade, most recently asking to remove the followinf very important packages:
Maybe that's why it's still at 0.39?
Just for the record, you also used the wrong homophone for "know." Preview friend, preview.
I no longer live in the US, but I always hated the California and Illinois lottery commercials showing someone in a tux stepping out of their stretch limo with a beautiful woman on each arm, all for winning a scratch $10000 lottery prize. I say that, if it weren't the gov't making such a commercial, it would have been pulled as fraudulent immediately.
I guess that's another tick for "people who suck at math."
Dan
What can you say? They frakked it up! haha hehe huhu. I crack me up. OK, you can mod me to oblivion now...
You know you used to run around getting hit for saying "frak" just like I did.
If you're misinformed, then so am I ... I'd hoped Trolltech might have recouped whatever costs they have and then released Qt under something like the GPL - who knows, they still might?
No offense, but you're misinformed. It's been a long time since QT was released GPL, which is exactly the problem that the grandparent is referring too. There is no LGPL QT, either full GPL or commercial license.
Does the license for QT cost significantly any more than, say, a license for MS development?
I've noticed that when I'm on the wife Windows XP I start to do someting, and have to stop myself because the software isn't in there.
Just a tip... When you're on your wife, it should be the hardware that's in there. Maybe you should try more foreplay, but don't worry, it happens to us all!
The problem is that the PRC is still a Mao Zi Tong style communist state. They control everything. Have you ever lived there? There's no "make people depend on them." There's only "require obience or disappear." There are no high obligatory taxes, because the state determines profession, pay, and housing. There's no suing people, only swift and merciless justice. They do not try to monopolize services, because they are the one and only provider, unless they, for some short perion of time, decide to "open the door" and let competitors in until they actually become competitive. Ask any of the US aeronautical companies who went in their around '86 how they feel about the situation there. Whatever MS has done, it pales in comparison to the slaughtering of untold millions of people simply because they were educated.
Put simply, I wholeheartedly disagree with you.
I understand your point, but, as far as I know, a REAL thin client solution is not possible on Windows without using a Linux netboot into RDP. The Windows RDP situation requires a fat (bootable) client to run the program. This may be why. Additionally, from what I hear, the Windows Term Server requires many times more hardware for the servers than a *nix solution.
I recently made a presentation designed to educate English professors about setting up computer language labs, and when the example of an xterm setup that I used (culled from the real numbers at my own school) came up on the screen, gasps came from the audience. Almost none of them are in the position, however, to move to that solution. I could only do it because we designed the system and software from the ground up over the year before we opened.
there would be nothing to stop another program being written that uses the hit calculation formula to spit out cookie-cutter hit music.
Would that new piece then be a derivative work??? Quite possibly.
Dude... This just in: BSD dead at 50 years old. That's right, BSD was found dead of a heart attack....
You're right. I should have said daily reading of quality material. Comic books obviously don't qualify, either. :)
It keeps being tried every few years and keeps being rejected by corporations.
These guys seem to be having no problem with being rejected. I put together my school's lab for about the cost of two serious desktops, networking included. In fact, Jim McQuillan seems to be making a reasonable living out of selling such systems. It all depends on where you sit, and what you need, I guess.