The guardian finds a way to praise linux constantly, take what they say for what it's worth.
While I don't disagree that linux will someday overtake the Mac (the Mac is really a niche product, but a damn good one at that) I have doubts it will be this year.
The place it will start is the corperate desktop, amusing since 3 years ago most CTO's would have laughed and said "leenux whats that?"
I didn't snab iCommune, if anyone wants to place it on Ealar's.mac public folder I would be much obliged.
With that said, it is my understand iCommune can work over public IP's while the rendezvous version will only work on the "rendezvous internal ip's" (a subset of ip's assigned to the interface so rendezvous can talk with zero configuration even from a dhcp server).
Microsoft is required to ship a compatable version, and there is no reason to believe it won't be offered as a seperate download similar to the way *everything* except service packs are offered.
There is nothing in the case suggesting they have to bundled it with all future service packs.
Please read the (articles) before you make claims such as this.
Opera should then sue Apple for levereging their monopoly on PowerPC desktops and pushing Opera out of their market:-).
Why? Apple doesn't bundle much of any shareware with their os, why would they bundle opera?
Also, while the frameworks will be built into the OS in 10.3 probably (just because several apps other than safari will use them), the Safari app will be trashable just like every other App. I should point out the framework will be no more "integrated" than the optional spell checker functionality of the os.
It's nothing like IE/98 where they artifically created "unremovable" internet explorer that was only tied to the system through hacks to make it unremovable. It's really a win win situation for everyone if Safari ends up being great for most people, and Opera ends up having more features for people who want them.
(btw I know you were joking, but I've seen some serious claims about this, and just thought I'd point out what the difference was)
The point is, Gecko doesn't do what they want. Hyatt basically said the following "We had a choice, a bulky hard to hack Gecko that was standards compliant, that we would have to make smaller, or a thin well engineered KHTML that we would have to make more standards compliant. We chose KHTML because it would be much easier to go that route." (misquoted, he appears to have removed that entry from his blog)
I normally agree with what you post, but I'm going to have to disagree here.
I've attempted to get involved in the Mozilla project multiple times, and I still don't understand how pretty much anything in their browser works.
I've been interested in KHTML for a week, and I have a very solid understanding of the renderer and the basic flow of information. I already see how the "final 20%" will be implemented without becoming hackish like Gecko feels.
I think KHTML has Gecko beat for engineering simplicity by about a mile, I do hope Gecko continues to improve, but it's no where near what KHTML is like now. I think one of the Mozilla engineers said it best (this is misquoted since google can't find the quote I'm looking for) "There are a handful of people who understand Gecko in the world", KHTML on the other hand just has that "clean code" feel to it, all the way through.
Make a set of ANSI standards for cell dimensions and shape
You think the auto industry cares about standards? The only way they make money is by selling the same breakable cars year after year with a slightly redone body and little to no technical improvement.
no one made the claim it required no configuration...
99% of what you want to share you don't give a rats ass who sees it, the rest of it you can put in password protected folders (which you would access using the other tick for enabling "ftp access for user" found on the same prefpane)
Rendezvous is NOT a security protocol, it's a sharing protocol. This is basically like bitching about sharing files on kazaa not being secure.
If it happened to me the first thing I would do is gather those 5 things and call an apple representative...
The fact that none of the posts contained *any* of those facts is what causes suspicion, I would have been happy to see one or two of them in each report.
Saying "My home directory got deleted when I opt+clicked a file" without *any* supporting evidence in a public forum is *not* proof that something happened to you.
None of those posts claiming their home directory was deleted contained any of the following information:
1: The file being downloaded 2: The download destination 3: Their Username 4: The settings they had in Safari. 5: How to attempt to repeat it.
Sounds like a nice distributed troll with a goal of ruining Safari's reputation. If anyone can provide those 5 peices of information to me, I will start to believe this might possibly be a legitimate rumor.
Mister AC, please email me at either sfritz@postmaster.co.uk or froggie6@mchsi.com or ealar@mac.com. I would like you to tell me what print driver you are using, weither you are an admin. What other applications were you using. What did you try to print, what print settings did you have.
Until SOMEONE tells me these *basic* facts, I'm becoming increasingly convinced that people are making this up to give Safari a bad name. Trolling in it's most extreme form to say the least.
OH!!!! His line of thinking made me come up with an absolutely brilliant idea. A drawer containing all the sites linked to from the current page, you would pre-load just the html for the pages to get correct titles (it would only show the changing parts, since most sites have a pre or post-fix) and THAT would be usefull? You could get all the windows as a single pipeline after the main pageload has occured, canceling it the instant the user does something dealing with navigation.
Give me some feedback, I'm thinking I have a really good idea here.
After using Safari for a day, my view of tabs has completely changed. This is the first non tabbed browser I have used that allowed easy creation of new windows (apple+click or apple+shift+click) when following new links. It is also the first browser I have used that doesn't use a meg and a half of memory per window, or take longer than a 10th of a second to make a new window. With these features, tabs become redundant in Safari, I'll explain why below.
If you really think about it, tabs are an optimization seeking a metaphor. Origionally tabs were added when making a new browser window was a >.4 second affair, and really ate on the system resources. Also switching between windows in the same app on may operating systems is a nontrivial task. On osx one can simply use apple+` to switch windows in the same app. Tabs are really an optimization so you only have to have "one window", they are not in any way a document organization metaphor. How many times have you actually organized similar tabs in the same window? I'm guessing never. How many tabed browses out there even let you drag tabs between windows? I'm not noticing many. The real benifit of tabs are load-behind loading, and load-on-middle click. The other benifit is "group bookmarks". None of those traits are specific to tabs. I conclude then that the overwhelming love of tabs has more to do with the redicioulus cost of multiple window interfaces in most browsers/os's that are not relevant to Safari/osx. Thus it would be in apples best intrest to leave them out, and make the interface the most efficent web browser out there!
I actually metalized all my applications, once everything matches it looks really slick. I have a strange feeling this is what some of the apple developers have, thats why they are so fond of it.
It is far faster than chimera, especially at displaying cached pages. It beats chimera almost 20% at rendering hall of fame slashdot articles for greatest size.
If you listened carefully during the Keynote, apple has been working on Safari since before Gecko and KHtml were really different at all. Mozilla was around 0.9 when they started so it would have been a close call.
I personally think they should probably try switching to Gecko sometime if the gap keeps growing, but then again the improvments they sent today really helped make khtml a solid browser alternative. Having 3 solid browsers never hurt anyone
You can change any nib you want either way by a simple load into Interface Builder and clicking one checkbox. Thats all thats required.
I currently have my entire desktop set to brushed metal (including finder) and it really does work quite nice (you have to have everything one way or the other for it to work though).
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The guardian finds a way to praise linux constantly, take what they say for what it's worth.
While I don't disagree that linux will someday overtake the Mac (the Mac is really a niche product, but a damn good one at that) I have doubts it will be this year.
The place it will start is the corperate desktop, amusing since 3 years ago most CTO's would have laughed and said "leenux whats that?"
Well, what else are we supposed to do? It really only makes sense...
I didn't snab iCommune, if anyone wants to place it on Ealar's .mac public folder I would be much obliged.
With that said, it is my understand iCommune can work over public IP's while the rendezvous version will only work on the "rendezvous internal ip's" (a subset of ip's assigned to the interface so rendezvous can talk with zero configuration even from a dhcp server).
This is flat out wrong.
Microsoft is required to ship a compatable version, and there is no reason to believe it won't be offered as a seperate download similar to the way *everything* except service packs are offered.
There is nothing in the case suggesting they have to bundled it with all future service packs.
Please read the (articles) before you make claims such as this.
Opera should then sue Apple for levereging their monopoly on PowerPC desktops and pushing Opera out of their market :-).
Why? Apple doesn't bundle much of any shareware with their os, why would they bundle opera?
Also, while the frameworks will be built into the OS in 10.3 probably (just because several apps other than safari will use them), the Safari app will be trashable just like every other App. I should point out the framework will be no more "integrated" than the optional spell checker functionality of the os.
It's nothing like IE/98 where they artifically created "unremovable" internet explorer that was only tied to the system through hacks to make it unremovable. It's really a win win situation for everyone if Safari ends up being great for most people, and Opera ends up having more features for people who want them.
(btw I know you were joking, but I've seen some serious claims about this, and just thought I'd point out what the difference was)
How was mozilla at rendering those pages in 2000?
Lets let it get to 1.1 before we start to really evaluate it critically, right now you should be submiting bugs as soon as you spot them!
This is interesting, as Phoneix, Mozilla, and Netscape all impliment their browser in Gecko.
I think in the case of gecko, the browser/renderer distinction is very minor, and it seems to grow slimmer all the time.
I'm assuming you have heard of vi vs. emacs?
I expect this debate to die about the same time...
The point is, Gecko doesn't do what they want. Hyatt basically said the following "We had a choice, a bulky hard to hack Gecko that was standards compliant, that we would have to make smaller, or a thin well engineered KHTML that we would have to make more standards compliant. We chose KHTML because it would be much easier to go that route." (misquoted, he appears to have removed that entry from his blog)
Thats basically what it boils down to.
I normally agree with what you post, but I'm going to have to disagree here.
I've attempted to get involved in the Mozilla project multiple times, and I still don't understand how pretty much anything in their browser works.
I've been interested in KHTML for a week, and I have a very solid understanding of the renderer and the basic flow of information. I already see how the "final 20%" will be implemented without becoming hackish like Gecko feels.
I think KHTML has Gecko beat for engineering simplicity by about a mile, I do hope Gecko continues to improve, but it's no where near what KHTML is like now. I think one of the Mozilla engineers said it best (this is misquoted since google can't find the quote I'm looking for) "There are a handful of people who understand Gecko in the world", KHTML on the other hand just has that "clean code" feel to it, all the way through.
Make a set of ANSI standards for cell dimensions and shape
You think the auto industry cares about standards? The only way they make money is by selling the same breakable cars year after year with a slightly redone body and little to no technical improvement.
no one made the claim it required no configuration...
99% of what you want to share you don't give a rats ass who sees it, the rest of it you can put in password protected folders (which you would access using the other tick for enabling "ftp access for user" found on the same prefpane)
Rendezvous is NOT a security protocol, it's a sharing protocol. This is basically like bitching about sharing files on kazaa not being secure.
If it happened to me the first thing I would do is gather those 5 things and call an apple representative...
The fact that none of the posts contained *any* of those facts is what causes suspicion, I would have been happy to see one or two of them in each report.
Saying "My home directory got deleted when I opt+clicked a file" without *any* supporting evidence in a public forum is *not* proof that something happened to you.
None of those posts claiming their home directory was deleted contained any of the following information:
1: The file being downloaded
2: The download destination
3: Their Username
4: The settings they had in Safari.
5: How to attempt to repeat it.
Sounds like a nice distributed troll with a goal of ruining Safari's reputation. If anyone can provide those 5 peices of information to me, I will start to believe this might possibly be a legitimate rumor.
Now that Safari is faster than Phonenix (677 g4 vs 1ghz+ p4), how stupid does this comment make you feel? heheh
Mister AC, please email me at either sfritz@postmaster.co.uk or froggie6@mchsi.com or ealar@mac.com. I would like you to tell me what print driver you are using, weither you are an admin. What other applications were you using. What did you try to print, what print settings did you have.
Until SOMEONE tells me these *basic* facts, I'm becoming increasingly convinced that people are making this up to give Safari a bad name. Trolling in it's most extreme form to say the least.
I'm going to have to rebute you with the following, its the same thing I tell windows users who ignorantly persist they could not like a Mac.
Use Safari for two days (really use it... a few hours each day) and then analize weither you really desire tabs that much.
OH!!!! His line of thinking made me come up with an absolutely brilliant idea. A drawer containing all the sites linked to from the current page, you would pre-load just the html for the pages to get correct titles (it would only show the changing parts, since most sites have a pre or post-fix) and THAT would be usefull? You could get all the windows as a single pipeline after the main pageload has occured, canceling it the instant the user does something dealing with navigation.
Give me some feedback, I'm thinking I have a really good idea here.
After using Safari for a day, my view of tabs has completely changed. This is the first non tabbed browser I have used that allowed easy creation of new windows (apple+click or apple+shift+click) when following new links. It is also the first browser I have used that doesn't use a meg and a half of memory per window, or take longer than a 10th of a second to make a new window. With these features, tabs become redundant in Safari, I'll explain why below.
.4 second affair, and really ate on the system resources. Also switching between windows in the same app on may operating systems is a nontrivial task. On osx one can simply use apple+` to switch windows in the same app. Tabs are really an optimization so you only have to have "one window", they are not in any way a document organization metaphor. How many times have you actually organized similar tabs in the same window? I'm guessing never. How many tabed browses out there even let you drag tabs between windows? I'm not noticing many. The real benifit of tabs are load-behind loading, and load-on-middle click. The other benifit is "group bookmarks". None of those traits are specific to tabs. I conclude then that the overwhelming love of tabs has more to do with the redicioulus cost of multiple window interfaces in most browsers/os's that are not relevant to Safari/osx. Thus it would be in apples best intrest to leave them out, and make the interface the most efficent web browser out there!
If you really think about it, tabs are an optimization seeking a metaphor. Origionally tabs were added when making a new browser window was a >
I actually metalized all my applications, once everything matches it looks really slick. I have a strange feeling this is what some of the apple developers have, thats why they are so fond of it.
Well if it's small fast light and renders everything correctly, who cares? Now you have a small fast and light browser filling all your needs.
The point of a browser is to browse, not deal with the browser.
It is far faster than chimera, especially at displaying cached pages. It beats chimera almost 20% at rendering hall of fame slashdot articles for greatest size.
It's significantly faster than IE.
You know.. now that you said that.. I would buy a K-Office box for like $40. *ponders that thought*.
If you listened carefully during the Keynote, apple has been working on Safari since before Gecko and KHtml were really different at all. Mozilla was around 0.9 when they started so it would have been a close call.
I personally think they should probably try switching to Gecko sometime if the gap keeps growing, but then again the improvments they sent today really helped make khtml a solid browser alternative. Having 3 solid browsers never hurt anyone
You can change any nib you want either way by a simple load into Interface Builder and clicking one checkbox. Thats all thats required.
I currently have my entire desktop set to brushed metal (including finder) and it really does work quite nice (you have to have everything one way or the other for it to work though).