I agree that this isn't exactly a new issue. I could easily be wrong, but it seems to me that with a GUI Apple could more easily provide an alert to the user.
Maybe not. I think OSX does seem to handle a brute force entry decently.
But is "decently" enough given the lack of warning, given the lack of documentation?
This issue keeps being raised over and over. I can't find anything new in the thread (so far) that comes up with an adequate solution.
If I missed it or you know something recent kindly clue me in if not everyone else as well.
What's "off topic" about my comment. The original post is spam. I see no reason why it should be allowed to just hang around. We're not talk troll here. It's plain vanilla spam and it keeps popping up all the time. It is intrusive and should be deleted by the mod.
I called attention to the spam and I addressed the issue of what the top was: it was about spamming Slashdot,CmdrTaco, open source, and any number of things I couldn't stomach reading.
Good comment. It reminds me of all the stuff said about Office, but there's a difference.
Plug-ins. With Office it's all in your face. You can cut a piece out here and there and customize it and blah blah, but EMACs (hmmm...think it took Stuffit Expander longer to unpack it than it did to download it:)...isn't as bloated from the get go.
The user controls what plug-ins and features are added. Freakin' Office.:(
(And I looked all over that Xicons site, which does have some cool icons, and all I found are the Mozilla icons...nice...so I can't figure out what everyone is talking about. There's info on the "new initiative but the GNU/Linxe icons must be buried with all that other stuff).
Apple could care less. They are in the hardware business and have been for 25 years. The function of proprietary software, like OSX, is to sell hardware.
iPod is not a big ticket item for them. It's part of the digital hug. The basic philosophy is simple, they want people to buy a Macintosh. If a Windows user wants an iPod they can buy a Mac.
You can agree or disagree with Apple's marketing philosophy but they are concentrating their efforts on designing and selling good hardware and that means computers. They long since got out of the external hard drive, printer, et al business.
A company has to allocate their resources. A lot of changes are going on and they have a huge stake in OSX, getting it to work as well as possible.
When an opportunity comes along to do something to fit into the digital hub, *their digital hub* not that sick thing Dells pushes with Windows, in this case the iPod, they do it. If they come out with a digital camera, for example, it will be designed to work with the Mac digital hub. It *may* as most cameras do, work with all platforms.
But why? Lots of people sell good cameras? No one sells the quality and versatility of the iPod. If and when they get around to it, since it obviously is down the priority list a bit, then they *may* do it. They've said that since Day 1.
It's not ridiculous like the idea of porting OSX to x86, something in which they have no interest because they sell hardware not software. But the two are related. They're committed to a proprietary software base with, hopefully, close interaction with the open source/free software/GNU/Linux community so that both will benefit from such a relationship.
And they're not that interested in selling an iPod and Windows software until the unfortunate soul decides to purchase a Macintosh.:)
Wow.....what a rant. And I didn't really say much either....such is life.
Seems like the wrong time of year to be starting school???
A Glock 19 is the thing that immediately comes to mind but that might not be legal in the state where her school is.
One really nifty item I like is that silly putty like stuff you can use for putting up pictures and posters and stuff. You avoid making holes in things which shouldn't have holes in them plus the stuff doesn't seem to damage the posters/pictures.
Can't think what it's called but it's really cool stuff.
Have KDE running on my personal server I dink around with for about 2 years. (Maybe only had KDE for about a year??) I do Mozilla. I been doing Netscape since before it was Netscape. Apple's Terminal.app isn't very impressive. It does all I want. Don't do IRC. I do Photoshop and Illustrator and crap like that, surf with Mozilla and change email clients every two months. I do most of my writing in BBEdit.
I run Apache with my Mac boxes and the Linux box (an oversexed hp) when I'm in the mood. Have big hummer graphics cards of 64MB all ready for Quartz Extreme and my two monitors (3 if I want).
I mostly take pictures and write books. OSX has more than I want. I do data base for my motley little bunch of pics I sell in FileMaker Pro and it's faster than I need and stores my little collection of about 10 or 12k pix very nicely. In short I'm a looser because I buy proprietary software because it does what I want it to do.
I do have fun playing with my little SuSE box, KDE, X86 et al but it's more of a toy than a fun and/or working machine. I confess. I'm hopeless. Like most I'm not a programmer so if something is broke I get something else that isn't.
While I do appreciate all the ports coming over from BSD and Linux to OSX I haven't found any of them yet worth keeping or using. What I mostly like about Linux is the folks that use it.:)
I suppose that some users might find a "comfort level" (familiarity) of some sort running KDE (or Gnome for that matter) under Mac OSX. My reaction: why bother?
KDE to me is about as welcome a GUI under Mac OSX as Windows 3.1.
More applications via KDE? Hardly. There's nothing to add that OSX doesn't already have and in better and more powerful form.
Paid my thirty bucks last fall for OmniWeb. Renders text and graphics in gorgeous Quartz technicolor or whatever. No CSS. Launch it once or twice a week.
What's the reason for promo on Slashdot? All the Mac software sites had this yesterday or day before. This a little plug by the NeXTies in the crowd or what?
Maybe next year. BTW, check out all the other OmniStuff. Some of it is pretty neat. Some is even free. (Dictionary?) And it seems to me that OmniGraffle was the big trophy winner, not OmniWeb at WWDC. Maybe writer speaks of times past? Hey, MacPaint was once a killer app.
Pretty is as pretty does. OmniWeb doesn't. Sad. Maybe some day.
Message to myself. Hmmm....wasn't logged in when I posted so I was an Anonymous Coward. You'd think I'd know enough by now to fill in the two little boxes.
I usually like Adams' books too, but not this one except the trouncing of dimwits as mentioned by pudge....it's kind of fun.
Adams ought to know what a Mac zealot is and a Mac user that just happens to like Macs. He doesn't. He plays into the hands of the "all or nothing" gang which is getting to be a pretty morbid line of thought.
Hey, pudge does pretty good with this.
His main problem is not having most of those open terminal windows in os x if I read him correctly.
Nothing like having a box that boots your favorite GNU/Linux flavor and also Mac OS X 10.1.4 and Mac OS 9.2.2 (nomenclature which he got right). Beats heck out of a box that boots GNU/Linux and Windoze.:-)
Actually a decent review of the book which I thought sucked. Best part, as pudge mentioned, was the dumping of shite all over the heads of some Peecee/Windoze turkeys.
Apple never developed or promised QuickTime as open source, Linux, GPL, or whatever. Grow up. QuickTime is proprietary software.
If you want QuickTime for Linux pop for 20 bucks and buy that conversion utility (whatzit?)
There is such a thing as compromise and that's all that's needed. If Linux users want QT pop for 20 bucks.
Or go the real developer route that's hot now with everything under the sun shipping from Adobe, Macromedia, Micro$loth, et al and it's called: Mac OS X, something Gnome and KDE will never be.
Eat your heart out Richard Stallman!:) (This ought to excite a few of the troops.)
Good comment. This could give someone like Ambrosia good PC access. Availability, or the lack of it, will make a big difference in the marketplace.
The small, Mac only (or mostly) independents exist largely because of no competition. A small independent *can't* compete with the big houses in quality, but they can still find their niche in the $20. bracket instead of the $50. bracket. Two way street. Mac $20. stuff moves to Windows and the visa versa on the low end.....more lowend games from the PC side for the Mac.
Like anything else, those who know business and do quality will thrive and prosper.
This should also wean some of the Linux and other *nix games to OS X and away from Windows, which they don't like anyway (they ain't dumb) to the Mac.
Actually I presently have installed Photoshop 7, Illustrator 10, and GoLive 6, all running under OS X (as of Monday).
I wouldn't trust anything you read on Version Tracker. Their spiders sometimes pick up items not released (or ready to be released).
And I have to like the three Adobe products mention.:-)
They run great on Mac OS X and I have all three apps running under Classic and OS 9 (2 volumes, previous versions), along with Adobe PageMill which I used to replace my old BBEdit, html hard coded, web stuff I used to create web sites before PageMill shipped in about 1995.
All three of the Adobe apps mentioned run great under OS X. And I run my servers now under Darwin BSD and Apache, with all html work done with Adobe GoLive 6 as the leading player.
The road goes ever on......:-)
Actually you would both be better off to give up those 2 1/2 years worth of limited functionality and migrate to Mac OS X.
I've got OSX/Classic, Darwin BSD, XWindows, and OS9 all running on the same machine. Added Photoshop 7 to that setup yesterday, which includes everything from EMACs and Apache (both built in, along with SSH and Telnet) to LaTEX, BBEdit, and Ghostwriter. For browsers I have Mozilla, Lynx and Opera.
Retired GIMP and MacGIMP as have, in addition to Photoshop 6 and 7, Graphic Converter, Illustrator and a dozen other graphics applications or utilities.
With five drives for a Mac G4 DP Tower I have more functionality for hardware that would sell for about $1500. on eBay (software not included) than any x86 box.
Linux is great.....for servers only. For desktop and all round use MacOS X and assorted BSD OS there's a combo that Linux can/will never equal.
That story was new when it was invented in 1977 by people who complained about the price of the Apple II or maybe in 1981 by those who complained about the price of the IBM PC.
They don't have a clue about what they're buying in terms of value. They only know that price means everything. They're irrelevant. Hope the clown sticks with Dell. Would hate to see them go out of business.:)
And half or more of the people in this thread are hung up on price, price, price......ever stop to think you're *never* getting the best price because somewhere there's one cheaper?
Price shopping, however, is fun. And should be pursued at length with considerable time involved, especially by those who place no value on something more important.......time.
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I agree that this isn't exactly a new issue. I could easily be wrong, but it seems to me that with a GUI Apple could more easily provide an alert to the user.
Maybe not. I think OSX does seem to handle a brute force entry decently.
But is "decently" enough given the lack of warning, given the lack of documentation?
This issue keeps being raised over and over. I can't find anything new in the thread (so far) that comes up with an adequate solution.
If I missed it or you know something recent kindly clue me in if not everyone else as well.
Many thanks.
What's "off topic" about my comment. The original post is spam. I see no reason why it should be allowed to just hang around. We're not talk troll here. It's plain vanilla spam and it keeps popping up all the time. It is intrusive and should be deleted by the mod. I called attention to the spam and I addressed the issue of what the top was: it was about spamming Slashdot,CmdrTaco, open source, and any number of things I couldn't stomach reading.
Can this crap just be deleted? Some of it seems to hang around forever. I need to do a little volunteering again. Yes. I know.
Good comment. It reminds me of all the stuff said about Office, but there's a difference. Plug-ins. With Office it's all in your face. You can cut a piece out here and there and customize it and blah blah, but EMACs (hmmm...think it took Stuffit Expander longer to unpack it than it did to download it :)...isn't as bloated from the get go.
The user controls what plug-ins and features are added. Freakin' Office. :(
(And I looked all over that Xicons site, which does have some cool icons, and all I found are the Mozilla icons...nice...so I can't figure out what everyone is talking about. There's info on the "new initiative but the GNU/Linxe icons must be buried with all that other stuff).
Apple could care less. They are in the hardware business and have been for 25 years. The function of proprietary software, like OSX, is to sell hardware.
:)
iPod is not a big ticket item for them. It's part of the digital hug. The basic philosophy is simple, they want people to buy a Macintosh. If a Windows user wants an iPod they can buy a Mac.
You can agree or disagree with Apple's marketing philosophy but they are concentrating their efforts on designing and selling good hardware and that means computers. They long since got out of the external hard drive, printer, et al business.
A company has to allocate their resources. A lot of changes are going on and they have a huge stake in OSX, getting it to work as well as possible.
When an opportunity comes along to do something to fit into the digital hub, *their digital hub* not that sick thing Dells pushes with Windows, in this case the iPod, they do it. If they come out with a digital camera, for example, it will be designed to work with the Mac digital hub. It *may* as most cameras do, work with all platforms.
But why? Lots of people sell good cameras? No one sells the quality and versatility of the iPod. If and when they get around to it, since it obviously is down the priority list a bit, then they *may* do it. They've said that since Day 1.
It's not ridiculous like the idea of porting OSX to x86, something in which they have no interest because they sell hardware not software. But the two are related. They're committed to a proprietary software base with, hopefully, close interaction with the open source/free software/GNU/Linux community so that both will benefit from such a relationship.
And they're not that interested in selling an iPod and Windows software until the unfortunate soul decides to purchase a Macintosh.
Wow.....what a rant. And I didn't really say much either....such is life.
Silk 1.0 has a known bug with current version of AIM. Developer promises a fix real soon now.
:)
I could care less. Makes Mozilla 1.0 look like OmniWeb and text is now Quartz-glorious in all apps.
Run don't walk to snag this for 10.1.5.
Since no one else appears to have made the comment I will. MacOpinion article is an interesting and informative read.
Seems like the wrong time of year to be starting school??? A Glock 19 is the thing that immediately comes to mind but that might not be legal in the state where her school is. One really nifty item I like is that silly putty like stuff you can use for putting up pictures and posters and stuff. You avoid making holes in things which shouldn't have holes in them plus the stuff doesn't seem to damage the posters/pictures. Can't think what it's called but it's really cool stuff.
Have KDE running on my personal server I dink around with for about 2 years. (Maybe only had KDE for about a year??) I do Mozilla. I been doing Netscape since before it was Netscape. Apple's Terminal.app isn't very impressive. It does all I want. Don't do IRC. I do Photoshop and Illustrator and crap like that, surf with Mozilla and change email clients every two months. I do most of my writing in BBEdit. I run Apache with my Mac boxes and the Linux box (an oversexed hp) when I'm in the mood. Have big hummer graphics cards of 64MB all ready for Quartz Extreme and my two monitors (3 if I want). I mostly take pictures and write books. OSX has more than I want. I do data base for my motley little bunch of pics I sell in FileMaker Pro and it's faster than I need and stores my little collection of about 10 or 12k pix very nicely. In short I'm a looser because I buy proprietary software because it does what I want it to do. I do have fun playing with my little SuSE box, KDE, X86 et al but it's more of a toy than a fun and/or working machine. I confess. I'm hopeless. Like most I'm not a programmer so if something is broke I get something else that isn't. While I do appreciate all the ports coming over from BSD and Linux to OSX I haven't found any of them yet worth keeping or using. What I mostly like about Linux is the folks that use it. :)
I suppose that some users might find a "comfort level" (familiarity) of some sort running KDE (or Gnome for that matter) under Mac OSX. My reaction: why bother?
KDE to me is about as welcome a GUI under Mac OSX as Windows 3.1.
More applications via KDE? Hardly. There's nothing to add that OSX doesn't already have and in better and more powerful form.
This strikes me as a really dumb idea.
I do Mozilla with watchful eye on Chimera.
Paid my thirty bucks last fall for OmniWeb. Renders text and graphics in gorgeous Quartz technicolor or whatever. No CSS. Launch it once or twice a week.
What's the reason for promo on Slashdot? All the Mac software sites had this yesterday or day before. This a little plug by the NeXTies in the crowd or what?
Maybe next year. BTW, check out all the other OmniStuff. Some of it is pretty neat. Some is even free. (Dictionary?) And it seems to me that OmniGraffle was the big trophy winner, not OmniWeb at WWDC. Maybe writer speaks of times past? Hey, MacPaint was once a killer app.
Pretty is as pretty does. OmniWeb doesn't. Sad. Maybe some day.
Message to myself. Hmmm....wasn't logged in when I posted so I was an Anonymous Coward. You'd think I'd know enough by now to fill in the two little boxes.
Guess not.
"I wonder how 24 will end this Tuesday."
This seems to be the most controversial comment so will respond to it: right before the last commercial.
Everything else seems fairly tame in the remarks. Does anyone find anything unremarkable about AOL/Time Warner's actions?
for Trolls.
Inane.
I'm impressed with all these histtory lessons so let's see if anyone has tried this one.
:P
I was unhappy when Apple discontinued AppleSoft using DOS 3.3 and went to ProDos.
I was unhappy when Apple replaced the Apple II with Macintosh.
I was unable when I got my phone bill last month.
/exit macos_bs_on_slashdot
/now
/end
/laugh
Read down a few threads to the MacNN link. That foobar posted his domain URL is appears. :rolleyes:
I read the thread for a few minutes and smiled. Then I remembered there was a real world and had some work to finish up.
Fools rush in where wise men fear.........
I usually like Adams' books too, but not this one except the trouncing of dimwits as mentioned by pudge....it's kind of fun. Adams ought to know what a Mac zealot is and a Mac user that just happens to like Macs. He doesn't. He plays into the hands of the "all or nothing" gang which is getting to be a pretty morbid line of thought.
Hey, pudge does pretty good with this. His main problem is not having most of those open terminal windows in os x if I read him correctly. Nothing like having a box that boots your favorite GNU/Linux flavor and also Mac OS X 10.1.4 and Mac OS 9.2.2 (nomenclature which he got right). Beats heck out of a box that boots GNU/Linux and Windoze. :-)
Actually a decent review of the book which I thought sucked. Best part, as pudge mentioned, was the dumping of shite all over the heads of some Peecee/Windoze turkeys.
Apple never developed or promised QuickTime as open source, Linux, GPL, or whatever. Grow up. QuickTime is proprietary software. If you want QuickTime for Linux pop for 20 bucks and buy that conversion utility (whatzit?) There is such a thing as compromise and that's all that's needed. If Linux users want QT pop for 20 bucks. Or go the real developer route that's hot now with everything under the sun shipping from Adobe, Macromedia, Micro$loth, et al and it's called: Mac OS X, something Gnome and KDE will never be. Eat your heart out Richard Stallman! :) (This ought to excite a few of the troops.)
A/UX is old, old, old. And it's about as interesting as running Unix of any kind would be on a 20k 68040 chip Quadra.
Boring.
Good comment. This could give someone like Ambrosia good PC access. Availability, or the lack of it, will make a big difference in the marketplace.
The small, Mac only (or mostly) independents exist largely because of no competition. A small independent *can't* compete with the big houses in quality, but they can still find their niche in the $20. bracket instead of the $50. bracket. Two way street. Mac $20. stuff moves to Windows and the visa versa on the low end.....more lowend games from the PC side for the Mac.
Like anything else, those who know business and do quality will thrive and prosper.
This should also wean some of the Linux and other *nix games to OS X and away from Windows, which they don't like anyway (they ain't dumb) to the Mac.
Actually I presently have installed Photoshop 7, Illustrator 10, and GoLive 6, all running under OS X (as of Monday). I wouldn't trust anything you read on Version Tracker. Their spiders sometimes pick up items not released (or ready to be released). And I have to like the three Adobe products mention. :-)
They run great on Mac OS X and I have all three apps running under Classic and OS 9 (2 volumes, previous versions), along with Adobe PageMill which I used to replace my old BBEdit, html hard coded, web stuff I used to create web sites before PageMill shipped in about 1995.
All three of the Adobe apps mentioned run great under OS X. And I run my servers now under Darwin BSD and Apache, with all html work done with Adobe GoLive 6 as the leading player.
The road goes ever on...... :-)
Actually you would both be better off to give up those 2 1/2 years worth of limited functionality and migrate to Mac OS X.
:)
I've got OSX/Classic, Darwin BSD, XWindows, and OS9 all running on the same machine. Added Photoshop 7 to that setup yesterday, which includes everything from EMACs and Apache (both built in, along with SSH and Telnet) to LaTEX, BBEdit, and Ghostwriter. For browsers I have Mozilla, Lynx and Opera.
Retired GIMP and MacGIMP as have, in addition to Photoshop 6 and 7, Graphic Converter, Illustrator and a dozen other graphics applications or utilities.
With five drives for a Mac G4 DP Tower I have more functionality for hardware that would sell for about $1500. on eBay (software not included) than any x86 box.
Linux is great.....for servers only. For desktop and all round use MacOS X and assorted BSD OS there's a combo that Linux can/will never equal.
As they say, the road goes ever onward.
FWIW.
That story was new when it was invented in 1977 by people who complained about the price of the Apple II or maybe in 1981 by those who complained about the price of the IBM PC.
:)
They don't have a clue about what they're buying in terms of value. They only know that price means everything. They're irrelevant. Hope the clown sticks with Dell. Would hate to see them go out of business.
And half or more of the people in this thread are hung up on price, price, price......ever stop to think you're *never* getting the best price because somewhere there's one cheaper?
Price shopping, however, is fun. And should be pursued at length with considerable time involved, especially by those who place no value on something more important.......time.
No. Fortunately it's over.
Sam C.