Dodgem cars? Really? I think you pretty much proved his point. If you don't get why some people like fast cars, fine. I'm not sure why the superior attitude is necessary.
And hint: there's more to enjoying a sports car than the speed. It's the acceleration that counts.
WTF are you talking about? The Saturn V was a purpose-built human space flight rocket. It was never used or planed to be used by the Airforce as an ICBM. Sure, the early mercury rockets were converted ICBMs but that was more to do with the fact that they were behind and trying to catch up fast, and the ICBMs served the purpose.
Err... one of the incidents you mentioned occurred in china, and not only was it worse than the others put together, it doesn't even have a firm fatalities figure (70+, wtf kind of lack of transparency is that?).
- Conflation of development time with product quality: "Minix just got paging working last year" Last I heard, quality products take MORE time to develop, not less.
Citation needed. While it is true that it is hard to produce quality products in a short time span, the mere fact a project has dragged on and on does not imply it is higher quality.
- Complaints of "inefficiency" when the target platform has 10X the necessary compute power for the task at hand.
What?? Is this like the BS theory that we only use 10% of our brains or something? I don't know about you, but i regularly see CPU use well over 10% (sometimes even 100%!). The notion that you can throw away CPU cycles because they are cheap is wrong. It has always been wrong. It probably will always be wrong. It's the "640k should be enough for everyone" argument in disguise.
- Complaints about "long development time" when compared to the 20+ years that it has took for BSD to achieve commercial success in the market as OSX.
BSD achieved commercial success in the 90s. In 2001 its use exploded with the release of OS X. HURD is nowhere near where BSD was in the mid to late 90s. No one uses it for anything serious. It's not even remotely comparable.
If any of you people would actually stop to read the hurd design docs you would realize that it has already had influence on your desktop. FUSE and SELinux are bolted-on implementations of concepts that were first fleshed out and implemented in the hurd.
Finally something i more or less agree with... except you are mistaking this development for an admission the microkernel philosophy is correct. It is nothing of the sort. It is simply a recognition that for some tasks, userland is more appropriate than the kernel. That is all. The mistake the microkernel people made was assuming *all* operating system services could be shoved into userland and that this was somehow a good idea. For a while, research was focused on attempting to fix the intrinsic performance issues that resulted... apparently the approach now is to hand-wave them away? The real world will continue to use operating systems with a design intended to solve *real* problems not fictitious problems of CS elegance.
I think most people will admit there are interesting ideas in HURD. And we'll continue to shamelessly rip off those good ideas. I don't think anyone disputes the role a toy research OS can play in the development of new ideas. But the microkernel itself is *not* a new idea. It's decades old and has been *rejected* as a dead end.
Yes, still useless. IMAE (I am an engineer) and engineers who blindly trust simulation because that's all they know scare the shit out of me. Engineering is a real world discipline, not a theoretical science. I'd trust an engineer who's never gotten his hands dirty about as much as a surgeon who's never operated on a real patient.
Anyone with half a clue knows the french military has been potent for centuries. There's a reason they're a permanent member of the security council. Them getting rolled in WWII was embarrassing but then, then it took the combined might of how many countries to finally bring the germans down? Lets not pretend they were defeated by a bunch of amateurs with slingshots. America was pretty seriously unprepared for WWII when it broke out and took a couple of years of building up the army to be able to credibly challenge germany. It's easier to mock other countries for being conquered when you've got enough natural defense (read:ocean and size) to make invasion impractical.
That said, the jokes are hilarious. Which is why they exist.:P
I think it's interesting to contrast the investigations of engineering and aerospace failures with financial failures. Will the ultimate causes of the GFC (global financial crisis) be nearly as well investigated as this accident that claimed 7 lives and a few billion in vehicle? Seriously, 7 suicides are all that are required to make the current situation a far far greater crisis (it already obviously is in dollar terms).
I think you'll find that most Australians are actually against the net filtering and probably against stupid rulings like this. We've had two governments now who seem to think they can act without a mandate on issues they believe are "right". Are we stupid for not standing up to them and telling them to piss off? You bet. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like it's a problem we can simply vote away, there isn't a party here that isn't braindead on these issues.
Not sure i agree. Pax americana has hardly been peaceful. Frankly i don't think the chinese are all that interested in world domination by military force, they're accomplishing much the same goal economically anyway. And the russians... they're like the middle east, get the world off oil and they're impotent.
I certainly don't think america should just disappear off the face of the earth, and it's a bit of a strawman argument. I think the backlash is more directed at the american trend to constantly pat yourselves on the back and proclaim yourselves the greatest country on earth. Whatever happened to speaking softly and carrying a big stick?
Great countries don't have to constantly remind everyone how great they are. In fact, that's a strong sign of an empire in decline.
Default or hyperinflate, which amounts to the same thing, yep. That only helps if you think america's underlying economy is sound and without the debt servicing burden, you'd be fine. I'd argue without the spending that results from cheap credit, you'd be in for one heck of a painful correction. IMHO, the sudden inability to borrow money will hurt much more than you'll be helped by not needing to service the debt.
Well, i made it pretty obvious i was an australian, so i don't get why you're bringing the EU up (unless you think australia is part of the EU? lol). And I never said you should ask for our permission, in fact i clearly said your politics are your own business. I'll judge america on its actions not on its internal decision making.
I do think it's a bit funny you think economics is an area where america excels. Sorry, the illusion of your prosperity has been largely created by cheap credit, which was the point of my second paragraph. America's prosperity will end when people think you're no longer good for the money. Sadly, my country isn't in much better a situation.
Finally, why do we need a world leader? I'm sorry, but i have no interest in an unelected world leader claiming to represent the interests of the free world but allowing the world no say in its actions. Did it occur to you we're fine without a beacon on the hill top?
LOL, you sound like yet another arrogant american to me. You want to repair America's reputation overseas and you rely on military threat as an argument? How very internationalist of you. Besides, with 2 failed wars and your supposed allies in eastern europe crushed by the Russians, who are you trying to kid? Do you honestly believe many countries are militarily afraid of the US at this point?
Here's a little hint for you, what do you think would happen to the US if the chinese flooded the market with all the US IOUs they've been stashing away? ICBMs and aircraft carriers are so 20th century. The real big red button these days is in Beijing and is labelled SELL (err... in chinese).
Having said that, i agree with you that you, as americans, elected an american president and you are justified in being offended by people in other countries not so subtly suggesting who you should vote for. I know i'd be angry if americans tried to interfere in Australian domestic politics like that.
Obama is the president elect of the United States, not the leader of the free world. America lost that title some time ago.
First, a decade is little more than a spot in time - even in one human lifetime.
Even so, I wouldn't keep you from your nicely implemented private electric (never been to Australia before and don't know anyone from there so you get the benefit of the doubt), but you're in a country the size of the US with a population around the size of Florida's. Hardly comparable I'd say.
This is such a typically American attitude. Whenever someone from another country offers their experience of how things work in their country, the American invariably points out the differences between the two countries as if that makes the experience irrelevant. Americans have the biggest victim complex. Everything in America is *sooo* much harder than it is where you're from, you couldn't possibly understand...
No one is claiming other countries are carbon copies of America in every detail, but it's pretty sad how you pull out those two statistics as an excuse to brush off what he said. Tell me, what part of low population density makes electricity production and distribution easier?
If i hear "we need a uniquely American solution to X" one more time, i'm going to be sick. It invariably means ignoring the 30+ other relevant examples of solutions to X. No problem has ever been faced until it has been faced by the mighty Americans.
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Dodgem cars? Really? I think you pretty much proved his point. If you don't get why some people like fast cars, fine. I'm not sure why the superior attitude is necessary. And hint: there's more to enjoying a sports car than the speed. It's the acceleration that counts.
WTF are you talking about? The Saturn V was a purpose-built human space flight rocket. It was never used or planed to be used by the Airforce as an ICBM. Sure, the early mercury rockets were converted ICBMs but that was more to do with the fact that they were behind and trying to catch up fast, and the ICBMs served the purpose.
Wow... this guy is going to get people killed...
Err... one of the incidents you mentioned occurred in china, and not only was it worse than the others put together, it doesn't even have a firm fatalities figure (70+, wtf kind of lack of transparency is that?).
You're not exactly helping your point.
I have never seen such ignorant arguments:
- Conflation of development time with product quality: "Minix just got paging working last year" Last I heard, quality products take MORE time to develop, not less.
Citation needed. While it is true that it is hard to produce quality products in a short time span, the mere fact a project has dragged on and on does not imply it is higher quality.
- Complaints of "inefficiency" when the target platform has 10X the necessary compute power for the task at hand.
What?? Is this like the BS theory that we only use 10% of our brains or something? I don't know about you, but i regularly see CPU use well over 10% (sometimes even 100%!). The notion that you can throw away CPU cycles because they are cheap is wrong. It has always been wrong. It probably will always be wrong. It's the "640k should be enough for everyone" argument in disguise.
- Complaints about "long development time" when compared to the 20+ years that it has took for BSD to achieve commercial success in the market as OSX.
BSD achieved commercial success in the 90s. In 2001 its use exploded with the release of OS X. HURD is nowhere near where BSD was in the mid to late 90s. No one uses it for anything serious. It's not even remotely comparable.
If any of you people would actually stop to read the hurd design docs you would realize that it has already had influence on your desktop. FUSE and SELinux are bolted-on implementations of concepts that were first fleshed out and implemented in the hurd.
Finally something i more or less agree with... except you are mistaking this development for an admission the microkernel philosophy is correct. It is nothing of the sort. It is simply a recognition that for some tasks, userland is more appropriate than the kernel. That is all. The mistake the microkernel people made was assuming *all* operating system services could be shoved into userland and that this was somehow a good idea. For a while, research was focused on attempting to fix the intrinsic performance issues that resulted... apparently the approach now is to hand-wave them away? The real world will continue to use operating systems with a design intended to solve *real* problems not fictitious problems of CS elegance.
I think most people will admit there are interesting ideas in HURD. And we'll continue to shamelessly rip off those good ideas. I don't think anyone disputes the role a toy research OS can play in the development of new ideas. But the microkernel itself is *not* a new idea. It's decades old and has been *rejected* as a dead end.
Yes, still useless. IMAE (I am an engineer) and engineers who blindly trust simulation because that's all they know scare the shit out of me. Engineering is a real world discipline, not a theoretical science. I'd trust an engineer who's never gotten his hands dirty about as much as a surgeon who's never operated on a real patient.
Was that meant to be an Australian accent?
Anyone with half a clue knows the french military has been potent for centuries. There's a reason they're a permanent member of the security council. Them getting rolled in WWII was embarrassing but then, then it took the combined might of how many countries to finally bring the germans down? Lets not pretend they were defeated by a bunch of amateurs with slingshots. America was pretty seriously unprepared for WWII when it broke out and took a couple of years of building up the army to be able to credibly challenge germany. It's easier to mock other countries for being conquered when you've got enough natural defense (read:ocean and size) to make invasion impractical.
That said, the jokes are hilarious. Which is why they exist. :P
So we use hydrogen instead. It's a more buoyant gas anyway.
I think it's interesting to contrast the investigations of engineering and aerospace failures with financial failures. Will the ultimate causes of the GFC (global financial crisis) be nearly as well investigated as this accident that claimed 7 lives and a few billion in vehicle? Seriously, 7 suicides are all that are required to make the current situation a far far greater crisis (it already obviously is in dollar terms).
I think you'll find that most Australians are actually against the net filtering and probably against stupid rulings like this. We've had two governments now who seem to think they can act without a mandate on issues they believe are "right". Are we stupid for not standing up to them and telling them to piss off? You bet. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like it's a problem we can simply vote away, there isn't a party here that isn't braindead on these issues.
As opposed to the brilliant job all the real economists have done?
Not sure i agree. Pax americana has hardly been peaceful. Frankly i don't think the chinese are all that interested in world domination by military force, they're accomplishing much the same goal economically anyway. And the russians... they're like the middle east, get the world off oil and they're impotent.
I certainly don't think america should just disappear off the face of the earth, and it's a bit of a strawman argument. I think the backlash is more directed at the american trend to constantly pat yourselves on the back and proclaim yourselves the greatest country on earth. Whatever happened to speaking softly and carrying a big stick?
Great countries don't have to constantly remind everyone how great they are. In fact, that's a strong sign of an empire in decline.
Default or hyperinflate, which amounts to the same thing, yep. That only helps if you think america's underlying economy is sound and without the debt servicing burden, you'd be fine. I'd argue without the spending that results from cheap credit, you'd be in for one heck of a painful correction. IMHO, the sudden inability to borrow money will hurt much more than you'll be helped by not needing to service the debt.
Well, i made it pretty obvious i was an australian, so i don't get why you're bringing the EU up (unless you think australia is part of the EU? lol). And I never said you should ask for our permission, in fact i clearly said your politics are your own business. I'll judge america on its actions not on its internal decision making.
I do think it's a bit funny you think economics is an area where america excels. Sorry, the illusion of your prosperity has been largely created by cheap credit, which was the point of my second paragraph. America's prosperity will end when people think you're no longer good for the money. Sadly, my country isn't in much better a situation.
Finally, why do we need a world leader? I'm sorry, but i have no interest in an unelected world leader claiming to represent the interests of the free world but allowing the world no say in its actions. Did it occur to you we're fine without a beacon on the hill top?
LOL, you sound like yet another arrogant american to me. You want to repair America's reputation overseas and you rely on military threat as an argument? How very internationalist of you. Besides, with 2 failed wars and your supposed allies in eastern europe crushed by the Russians, who are you trying to kid? Do you honestly believe many countries are militarily afraid of the US at this point?
Here's a little hint for you, what do you think would happen to the US if the chinese flooded the market with all the US IOUs they've been stashing away? ICBMs and aircraft carriers are so 20th century. The real big red button these days is in Beijing and is labelled SELL (err... in chinese).
Having said that, i agree with you that you, as americans, elected an american president and you are justified in being offended by people in other countries not so subtly suggesting who you should vote for. I know i'd be angry if americans tried to interfere in Australian domestic politics like that.
Obama is the president elect of the United States, not the leader of the free world. America lost that title some time ago.
Nah, you're right, it's an abuse of the stated purpose of tags. Not exactly uncommon though.
Because the concept of having many small processes instead of a few massive ones is one of the core concepts that made unix successful?
Me thinks you may have missed the joke just slightly.
.50 calibre? That's a 20 mm cannon (0.79 inch). So, yes, good point you raise!
When did he mention bush? Not every criticism of america is a criticism of bush, some are, you know, criticisms of america.
First, a decade is little more than a spot in time - even in one human lifetime.
Even so, I wouldn't keep you from your nicely implemented private electric (never been to Australia before and don't know anyone from there so you get the benefit of the doubt), but you're in a country the size of the US with a population around the size of Florida's. Hardly comparable I'd say.
This is such a typically American attitude. Whenever someone from another country offers their experience of how things work in their country, the American invariably points out the differences between the two countries as if that makes the experience irrelevant. Americans have the biggest victim complex. Everything in America is *sooo* much harder than it is where you're from, you couldn't possibly understand...
No one is claiming other countries are carbon copies of America in every detail, but it's pretty sad how you pull out those two statistics as an excuse to brush off what he said. Tell me, what part of low population density makes electricity production and distribution easier?
If i hear "we need a uniquely American solution to X" one more time, i'm going to be sick. It invariably means ignoring the 30+ other relevant examples of solutions to X. No problem has ever been faced until it has been faced by the mighty Americans.
TERRABIT PORN! I'll need another tube of KY... Hell, make it a catering vat.
Jerking off to photos of bits of the earth?
Or they *are* thinking straight and just want a certain result.
Pretty sure .ca is already taken...