Dude, he made a joke about the number of tech support reps that are located in India for various companies. How is that Xenophbic, ignorant, or self centered? The only ignorance I see is in your hatred of Americans. You can claim your are not anti-American but your posts suggest otherwise.
Self-centred and ignorant because it takes something very serious in India/Pakistan and turns it into a joke about call centres (which seems to be the farthest most comments get here on any story about India). It's not just that joke - look down through this story and you'll count tens of jokes that are all just as lame and just as insulting to people who have died and are dying in a conflict that's been going on for ages. Yes, it's a joke and not something to get righteous about, but I don't think it should go unchallenged.
Saying Xenophobia is valorised was a general comment on the insular attitude of the Bush administration since 9/11 who have consistently encouraged the country to disparage other nations (France comes to mind) and promoted a climate of fear and eternal vigilance against an undefined foreign enemy. I couldn't pretend to talk about all Americans and wouldn't want to. I certainly feel no 'hatred of Americans' but if that makes it easier to dismiss the criticism...
Somehow I don't think if that same joke was made about a failed attack on IT companies in NYC on this same site, people would be defending it as funny.
How do you know he's an American? Sure you could have read his blog and inferred, but I'd bet you just couldn't resist a knee-jerk anti-American comment. Very original.
I had a quick look at his blog, and figured he was American, from that and the post of course. I'm not anti-American or Americans in general, I'm writing on an American website with an American designed (built in Asia) computer, it'd be a little hypocritical : )
I was annoyed by the post (and the host of others like it on this and previous stories about India) because it seems to me that xenophobia and ignorance about the world are valorised at the moment in the States, and that's a real shame.
Xenophobia exists everywhere, but that doesn't make it acceptable. If this failed attack had been in NYC, you can bet he (and many other readers of this site) would have a very different reaction, and all the talk would be of how to get those dirty Saudi^^^^^ Iraqi terrorists etc etc.
The problem is, we're talking about a browser here, not an operating system like Linux - it's far easier to persuade people to download a web-browser rather than an operating system (Linux). Maybe that will change, but right now the Mozilla/Firefox people have to worry about security and all the unscrupulous free-loaders who would attempt to use their name.
A lot of spyware vendors for example would be tempted to ship their own special 'enhanced' version of Firefox with the same branding and call it Firefox+ or something, with built in weather, clock, terrorist headcount, free desktop pictures, plus of course key logging, pop-ups and god knows what else. Just enough fluff to make it seem useful to a non-expert user, and just enough spyware to keep them happy. Then when it all comes out that it is spyware, Firefox will be tarred with the same brush.
That kind of thing is one good reason not to allow just anyone to use the brand.
Well, yes and no, assuming the XP system is stable enough to stay up and not crash in some unknown state leaving it possibly vulnerable to simple hacks from the keyboard.
I wonder if you could manage a buffer overflow exploit from a mag-stripe?
Why should Apple be given credit for being innovative for simply buying a product. Microsoft is certainly never given credit for being "innovative" when they purchase a company, so why should Apple?
During the 90's, NeXT and Be were the real Apple, and now they've all come home : )
I don't understand the rational for any goverement regulation outside of deceny standards. I suppose its because I am a yannkie but the whole idea to me of the goverement having that much control over the media is appaling. How does parliment justify keeping the BBC under its thumb?
Maybe if you knew something about the BBC you wouldn't spout off such nonsense. The BBC is not 'under the thumb' of parliament, quite the contrary, and I suspect they're now being punished for that fact by the present government. If you want an example of mass-media that's under the thumb of government, check your own side of the pond. I find it amusing that you're so appalled by government interference in the media when you have such a tepid, unadventurous news media under the US system - you don't by any chance watch Fox News do you? Things are getting a bit out of hand when a comedy show (The Daily Show) is one of the most serious political commentaries.
The rationale for government regulation is to ensure that the licence fee is spent appropriately, not on another 'Temptation Island' knock-off because that sells, but on programming that attempts to educate and entertain. The word government means something very different outside the USA, which I suspect is where your confusion comes from. PS Your spelling is appalling, frightening even, please use a spelling checker.
Yeah, that and the GUI, you know, the GUI that everyone complains about, possibly the most important difference between the GIMP and Photoshop - I'd say it's more important to a lot of people than the CMYK issue (though that is important for any press work obviously).
If you're using it for your job, free is no longer free when doing something takes you twice as long.
Actually, I'd say the quality of Adobe products has declined over the last few years - they've reached that stage where they try to milk the current line for as long as possible, while adding more and more mis-features rather than listening to their customers and splitting out features into different products. Quark in its time was also an innovate company, and look what happened to them...
Personally I find the Photoshop CS menu bar over-crowded, and the Layer Style dialog byzantine (quite apart from the fact it takes an age to open). Double clicking on stuff in the layers palette is also a bit hit and miss - click on the text and you get to edit the layer name, just off the text and it opens the layers dialog. They are suffering a little from featuritis. Compared to The GIMP of course, it's a dream to use.
The File menu in Illustrator CS on OS X now includes the gem 'Save for Microsoft Office' which isn't in the Export menu where it belongs but at the top level - a sure sign that the marketing department has taken over, quite apart from that Online Services... stuff and the recent emphasis on copy protection.
I don't agree that there will be no competition to them - Apple for one have the incentive and resources to create a competitor if Adobe continues their slide towards windows. Already the CS suite are pretty slow on anything but the high end hardware under OS X, because they obviously haven't optimised for UI performance on OS X. A competitor doesn't have to produce a category killer all at once; they can start small and cheap, and build up, as Adobe did with InDesign when competing with Quark. In fact on OS X 10.4, with core image, it wouldn't be too hard to produce a competing product to Photoshop Elements, and build from there.
Having said that, yes Adobe will dominate the professional market for years to come, due to inertia if nothing else - I'm still stuck working in quark under classic for quite a few design clients, who would love to switch to InDesign but haven't yet for legacy/cost reasons : )
Do you have any other examples? Seems like most of the things you talked about so far are just the result of you expecting a different way of doing things than what you're used to.
I think he's mostly talking about that 17 Meg file...
That's all. My point was simply that it should be up to the USER what personal information someone has...it should be a matter of choice. What happens instead is that corporations and the government just demand things and we give it up without asking why and how. Personal control.
I'm afraid you gave up personal control when you consented (or not, see Thoreau : ) to live under a government. The argument of course is how much control you have, and yes to an extent it would be nice to control how much information the corporations/govt hold on you. However I think presenting ID at an airport is really the least of your worries if your government decides they want to track you. There are many easier ways.
A citizen should be allowed to do anything legal without being tracked, at THEIR option, not a corporation's or government's option.
While this sounds nice, in practice it's impossible. You can't drive without a licence and a licence plate (for tracking purposes). You can't be paid (legally) without a SS number for tracking reasons. Etc etc etc. Would you like to make those controls optional? The government is there to control you and protect others from you (and vice versa), and while I agree with you that an ID at an airport will do nothing for security, this issue is *insignificant* when compared to other erosions of freedom going on in the name of 'the war on terror'. It just happens to inconvenience Gilmore more than the others right now.
Personal control of your information does nothing for you if the government decides to lock you up without trial, indefinitely. They can do that right now in your country (and in the UK to a lesser extent), does that worry you?
There are far more important freedoms being eroded right now in the US than the obligation to present an ID when travelling internally. The climate of eternal war encouraged by this administration is far more worrying to me.
You know, instead of bleating on about loss of privacy from showing an ID, why don't you start asking questions about your government using arbitrary arrest and torture? Isn't that more important? Perhaps not to you, because you don't think it'll ever happen to you, just to them?
If the government want to track you, they can do so easily through your bank statements/payments, your phone calls, your internet usage, your garbage, your friends etc etc. They certainly don't need an ID card. But most likely the govt. couldn't care less about you 'mr wolf'. The problem is not the methods used to track (of which there are many, that's what governements do), but for what reasons they should be allowed to track you. More fundamentally there are questions about freedom which are *not* being asked in the US - freedom from torture and detention without trial.
If you want to descend to anthropomorphic name-calling you sir, are an ostrich. Wake up and start asking the questions that matter.
Unfortunately the vast majority of Applications on OS X are written in Carbon (Adobe, Macromedia, MS, Quark), and while they *may* port over with no problems they might not at all - they certainly weren't designed with that in mind, though they all have x86 versions too so some code will be shared.
It's very unlikely they would only require a trivial recompile, and with relationships already fragile between Apple and their partners, it might push Adobe etc to consider just why they are making and marketing a mac version of their software anyway when a windows one will run on the same hardware...
And no, there are no "decent competitors." It's 2005. Go get yourself a blog.
And this isn't a glorified blog?
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The HTML here should make any geek ashamed - it's been like that for years, unchanged. Enough to make you think the geeks who run this site don't care, or aren't geeks at all.
There are too many people for any sense of community
Stories are often misinformed and often dupes - despite all the complaints about this, it seems to be some kind of policy.
Moderation seems to have degenerated into a way of expressing your opinion on a post (not its validity or quality)
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It's not 'news for nerds', if it ever was, it's 'news for people bored at work'.
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Right now, engadget.com (what Slashdot seems to be evolving into), digg.com and kuro5hin.org are looking pretty good in comparison (I have nothing to do with any of them). I just can't seem to break the addiction... must post one last time.
Bush was re-elected having lied to his people and the world about the real reasons for Iraq, American systematic use of torture (at Guantanamo Bay) and ignoring the opinion of the rest of the world on a whole load of issues. Not to mention encouraging xenophobia and jingoism.
This administration has been rewarded for incompetence and duplicity while punishing competence and honesty.
You'd have to be as thick as two planks to not understand the basic terms of an NDA from this name - ie you're not supposed to even tell people about the software/documents etc that you're given, let alone distribute them on the internet. I simply don't believe he didn't know that was wrong.
The basic tenet of *every* NDA is that, guess what, you don't disclose what you're allowed to look at. You don't have to read any of the license at all to understand that. It's there on the download page in red letters as well - do not distribute.
To say you didn't read the agreement when it's a commonly used public contract (like that of marriage for instance) is a very weak excuse, and quite apart from that ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law.
Actually there's been a few studies in the BMJ about passive smoking, I read one last week which indicated passive smokers have increased risk from cancer (all with proper controls and suitably mind-numbing statistics)...
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yep, though some Objective-C coders have the unfortunate habit of writing things like
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Any language can be rendered illegible if you're determined enough.
Dude, he made a joke about the number of tech support reps that are located in India for various companies. How is that Xenophbic, ignorant, or self centered? The only ignorance I see is in your hatred of Americans. You can claim your are not anti-American but your posts suggest otherwise.
Self-centred and ignorant because it takes something very serious in India/Pakistan and turns it into a joke about call centres (which seems to be the farthest most comments get here on any story about India). It's not just that joke - look down through this story and you'll count tens of jokes that are all just as lame and just as insulting to people who have died and are dying in a conflict that's been going on for ages. Yes, it's a joke and not something to get righteous about, but I don't think it should go unchallenged.
Saying Xenophobia is valorised was a general comment on the insular attitude of the Bush administration since 9/11 who have consistently encouraged the country to disparage other nations (France comes to mind) and promoted a climate of fear and eternal vigilance against an undefined foreign enemy. I couldn't pretend to talk about all Americans and wouldn't want to. I certainly feel no 'hatred of Americans' but if that makes it easier to dismiss the criticism...
Somehow I don't think if that same joke was made about a failed attack on IT companies in NYC on this same site, people would be defending it as funny.
(posted as anonymous before by mistake)
>> xenophobia and ignorance about the world are
>> valorised at the moment in the States
> Welcome to america. Dont like it ? Leave. This is how the
> world works: They hate us, we hate them
QED
oh, I think it's just that it was early in the morning, look at it now ; )
How do you know he's an American? Sure you could have read his blog and inferred, but I'd bet you just couldn't resist a knee-jerk anti-American comment. Very original.
I had a quick look at his blog, and figured he was American, from that and the post of course. I'm not anti-American or Americans in general, I'm writing on an American website with an American designed (built in Asia) computer, it'd be a little hypocritical : )
I was annoyed by the post (and the host of others like it on this and previous stories about India) because it seems to me that xenophobia and ignorance about the world are valorised at the moment in the States, and that's a real shame.
Xenophobia exists everywhere, but that doesn't make it acceptable. If this failed attack had been in NYC, you can bet he (and many other readers of this site) would have a very different reaction, and all the talk would be of how to get those dirty Saudi^^^^^ Iraqi terrorists etc etc.
If I had mod-points I'd mod you -1 ignorant self-centred American. You people really disappoint sometimes.
The problem is, we're talking about a browser here, not an operating system like Linux - it's far easier to persuade people to download a web-browser rather than an operating system (Linux). Maybe that will change, but right now the Mozilla/Firefox people have to worry about security and all the unscrupulous free-loaders who would attempt to use their name.
A lot of spyware vendors for example would be tempted to ship their own special 'enhanced' version of Firefox with the same branding and call it Firefox+ or something, with built in weather, clock, terrorist headcount, free desktop pictures, plus of course key logging, pop-ups and god knows what else. Just enough fluff to make it seem useful to a non-expert user, and just enough spyware to keep them happy. Then when it all comes out that it is spyware, Firefox will be tarred with the same brush.
That kind of thing is one good reason not to allow just anyone to use the brand.
Well, yes and no, assuming the XP system is stable enough to stay up and not crash in some unknown state leaving it possibly vulnerable to simple hacks from the keyboard.
I wonder if you could manage a buffer overflow exploit from a mag-stripe?
Why should Apple be given credit for being innovative for simply buying a product. Microsoft is certainly never given credit for being "innovative" when they purchase a company, so why should Apple?
During the 90's, NeXT and Be were the real Apple, and now they've all come home : )
I don't understand the rational for any goverement regulation outside of deceny standards. I suppose its because I am a yannkie but the whole idea to me of the goverement having that much control over the media is appaling. How does parliment justify keeping the BBC under its thumb?
Maybe if you knew something about the BBC you wouldn't spout off such nonsense. The BBC is not 'under the thumb' of parliament, quite the contrary, and I suspect they're now being punished for that fact by the present government. If you want an example of mass-media that's under the thumb of government, check your own side of the pond. I find it amusing that you're so appalled by government interference in the media when you have such a tepid, unadventurous news media under the US system - you don't by any chance watch Fox News do you? Things are getting a bit out of hand when a comedy show (The Daily Show) is one of the most serious political commentaries.
The rationale for government regulation is to ensure that the licence fee is spent appropriately, not on another 'Temptation Island' knock-off because that sells, but on programming that attempts to educate and entertain. The word government means something very different outside the USA, which I suspect is where your confusion comes from. PS Your spelling is appalling, frightening even, please use a spelling checker.
Yeah, that and the GUI, you know, the GUI that everyone complains about, possibly the most important difference between the GIMP and Photoshop - I'd say it's more important to a lot of people than the CMYK issue (though that is important for any press work obviously).
If you're using it for your job, free is no longer free when doing something takes you twice as long.
Actually, I'd say the quality of Adobe products has declined over the last few years - they've reached that stage where they try to milk the current line for as long as possible, while adding more and more mis-features rather than listening to their customers and splitting out features into different products. Quark in its time was also an innovate company, and look what happened to them...
Personally I find the Photoshop CS menu bar over-crowded, and the Layer Style dialog byzantine (quite apart from the fact it takes an age to open). Double clicking on stuff in the layers palette is also a bit hit and miss - click on the text and you get to edit the layer name, just off the text and it opens the layers dialog. They are suffering a little from featuritis. Compared to The GIMP of course, it's a dream to use.
The File menu in Illustrator CS on OS X now includes the gem 'Save for Microsoft Office' which isn't in the Export menu where it belongs but at the top level - a sure sign that the marketing department has taken over, quite apart from that Online Services... stuff and the recent emphasis on copy protection.
I don't agree that there will be no competition to them - Apple for one have the incentive and resources to create a competitor if Adobe continues their slide towards windows. Already the CS suite are pretty slow on anything but the high end hardware under OS X, because they obviously haven't optimised for UI performance on OS X. A competitor doesn't have to produce a category killer all at once; they can start small and cheap, and build up, as Adobe did with InDesign when competing with Quark. In fact on OS X 10.4, with core image, it wouldn't be too hard to produce a competing product to Photoshop Elements, and build from there.
Having said that, yes Adobe will dominate the professional market for years to come, due to inertia if nothing else - I'm still stuck working in quark under classic for quite a few design clients, who would love to switch to InDesign but haven't yet for legacy/cost reasons : )
Ever tried TextMate on OS X ?
Do you have any other examples? Seems like most of the things you talked about so far are just the result of you expecting a different way of doing things than what you're used to.
I think he's mostly talking about that 17 Meg file...
You forgot someone : )
That's all. My point was simply that it should be up to the USER what personal information someone has...it should be a matter of choice. What happens instead is that corporations and the government just demand things and we give it up without asking why and how. Personal control.
I'm afraid you gave up personal control when you consented (or not, see Thoreau : ) to live under a government. The argument of course is how much control you have, and yes to an extent it would be nice to control how much information the corporations/govt hold on you. However I think presenting ID at an airport is really the least of your worries if your government decides they want to track you. There are many easier ways.
A citizen should be allowed to do anything legal without being tracked, at THEIR option, not a corporation's or government's option.
While this sounds nice, in practice it's impossible. You can't drive without a licence and a licence plate (for tracking purposes). You can't be paid (legally) without a SS number for tracking reasons. Etc etc etc. Would you like to make those controls optional? The government is there to control you and protect others from you (and vice versa), and while I agree with you that an ID at an airport will do nothing for security, this issue is *insignificant* when compared to other erosions of freedom going on in the name of 'the war on terror'. It just happens to inconvenience Gilmore more than the others right now.
Personal control of your information does nothing for you if the government decides to lock you up without trial, indefinitely. They can do that right now in your country (and in the UK to a lesser extent), does that worry you?
There are far more important freedoms being eroded right now in the US than the obligation to present an ID when travelling internally. The climate of eternal war encouraged by this administration is far more worrying to me.
You know, instead of bleating on about loss of privacy from showing an ID, why don't you start asking questions about your government using arbitrary arrest and torture? Isn't that more important? Perhaps not to you, because you don't think it'll ever happen to you, just to them?
If the government want to track you, they can do so easily through your bank statements/payments, your phone calls, your internet usage, your garbage, your friends etc etc. They certainly don't need an ID card. But most likely the govt. couldn't care less about you 'mr wolf'. The problem is not the methods used to track (of which there are many, that's what governements do), but for what reasons they should be allowed to track you. More fundamentally there are questions about freedom which are *not* being asked in the US - freedom from torture and detention without trial.
If you want to descend to anthropomorphic name-calling you sir, are an ostrich. Wake up and start asking the questions that matter.
Unfortunately the vast majority of Applications on OS X are written in Carbon (Adobe, Macromedia, MS, Quark), and while they *may* port over with no problems they might not at all - they certainly weren't designed with that in mind, though they all have x86 versions too so some code will be shared.
It's very unlikely they would only require a trivial recompile, and with relationships already fragile between Apple and their partners, it might push Adobe etc to consider just why they are making and marketing a mac version of their software anyway when a windows one will run on the same hardware...
And this isn't a glorified blog?
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Right now, engadget.com (what Slashdot seems to be evolving into), digg.com and kuro5hin.org are looking pretty good in comparison (I have nothing to do with any of them). I just can't seem to break the addiction... must post one last time.
The problem with your plan is that the editors are illiterate, and subscribe to the 'if i can under-stand it's u can?' school of grammar.
You forgot to mention
Bush was re-elected having lied to his people and the world about the real reasons for Iraq, American systematic use of torture (at Guantanamo Bay) and ignoring the opinion of the rest of the world on a whole load of issues. Not to mention encouraging xenophobia and jingoism.
This administration has been rewarded for incompetence and duplicity while punishing competence and honesty.
NDA stands for Non-Disclosure Agreement.
You'd have to be as thick as two planks to not understand the basic terms of an NDA from this name - ie you're not supposed to even tell people about the software/documents etc that you're given, let alone distribute them on the internet. I simply don't believe he didn't know that was wrong.
The basic tenet of *every* NDA is that, guess what, you don't disclose what you're allowed to look at. You don't have to read any of the license at all to understand that. It's there on the download page in red letters as well - do not distribute.
To say you didn't read the agreement when it's a commonly used public contract (like that of marriage for instance) is a very weak excuse, and quite apart from that ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law.
Don't use that font... you can do it in CSS
heh, when recommending the use of FONT elements you obviously haven't looked at the source of the page you're posting on : )
Whether XAML will be successful on the web, well that is a different story..
Perhaps Microsoft is hoping there will be no web after XAML?
Not sure if there have been enough studies to conclusively say but it looked like quite a large study.