Thats a really good point. Newspapers and magazines doing this would be cool...
I don't know how they would make any money off it unless you do a subscription type of service. I can't see myself reading an ebook newspaper with banner ads flashing around at the top of the screen:)
But even so - very good application for something that I still think won't replace a "book".
Duke
I agree. I just don't "get it". When will these guys give up on the eBook idea. How many have tried and failed?
You can buy a book for 5 or 6 bucks, set it on a shelf and never have to worry about losing it, or have it get over wrote by another one etc...
And there is something about holding and reading a book - that a computer just can't replace. I don't know what exactly it is - but I just hate reading manuals online. I still buy the books (or at least print them out).
They are "pushing" new ideas at us that we don't really want. I hope they soon "get it":)
Duke
Since all of this started - we have been buying Dells. This is all that is going to come out of this for the next two years is companies moving to Dell or getting in deeper with IBM than they were before.
I personally don't like HP and I LOVE Compaq. I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks, I LOVE the Proliant server line. I have been doing this pushing 20 years and I'd put a Compaq box up against anything.
Compaq had done some pretty STUPID things in the past - I'll admit that. But if they just quit pissing around with everything that you can think of and focused their business on the server market - I think that they could make a comeback in a big way.
But with this HP/Compaq meger - Compaq is just going to go away. And I'll be left screwing around with these damn PC/server wannabe Dell boxes. Christ am I so pissed over this. I don't even want to talk about it anymore...........
"I think I'm slowly giving up. I'd always hoped that I'd find that "one place" where things were done *right*. Each job I take, I get a little closer. But I'm not there yet."
I was "there". 18 years in the biz - 13 different jobs. The last one that I had was the "ONE". Believe it or not, it was a bank. Holy shit was it a cool place to work. The bosses were all past techies and they really knew how to mix fun and hard work. They would have no problems funding for the "good" equipment when it was needed. And they would let us play around with the spare servers and such stuff. They really made it a very enjoyable place to work.
We would bust our asses over a weekend to get a big project finished up and then after everything was rolling as it should be - the BIG boss would come back to the networking area on Wednesday morning around 11AM and would tell us that there was Beer and a BBQ going on out back for us. The whole data center would come outside and drink a few beers and eat hamburgers/hot dogs etc... AND THEN we would play softball or volleyball all afternoon. And the BIG boss would be right there with us.
I worked at that place for 2 1/2 years - and I could CRY (and I really mean that) - because they got bought out by a bigger bank who had their operations setup much like IBM - 15 managers and 8 people working for them, etc... I just couldn't take it - even tho they were going to "let" me keep my job.
I thought that I found another "right" place with this job - but in all reality I took about 8 steps back because of the way that it is turning out. The asswh^H^H^H err people that I work for here is following the straight and narrow. ie very narrow.
Don't give up hope - and DONT give up. I fight with these people EVERYDAY to try and make things right. But I don't let it get to me much --- I will split this place as soon as I find the next "good thing".
OK OK:) YOU like Win2K. I've been working with NT since 3.51. I have quite a few NT4 boxes and several 2000 here. I have no idea what a GCNT practical is - but I'm pretty familiar with this also. And I liked NT also. Its just that its getting a little too much like your home computer for me in the server realm. Do we really need all this stuff for a web server, or a file server, or even an app server in most cases.
I'll admit that the policys are probly fine and work well once you spend the time with them. But its a learning curve for the policys stuff - and not a very easy one for me. I pretty much support a 35 system / 16 TB data center by myself. I have used some of the tools too - and they are OK - but tend to shut down some stuff that you need to have running. Just like the C2 tool did to NT4 years ago.
I keep up with the patches and monitoring the logs and everything else manually - they won't spend the money for ELM, SecureIIS etc... But I do keep them secure - Oh and I CAN adequately secure an NT4 IIS box in about 14 steps. Got it right from M$'s web and took out the crap. But its behind a PIX firewall (that I take care of too) so only the stupid stuff, like leaving the default web site running and such, would make it insecure anyway.
You should do some home work too. M$ is going to write hotfixes for NT 4 till Jan 1, 2005. 3 years would be enough time to keep NT4 around.
And as far as pining for BSD - they won't even hear about it - so I dont spend too much time with it. But as with OpenBSD - a 4 year default install with NO hacks to it. Sounds like a pretty secure box to me.
"Well that's certainly not true. Windows 2000 is much better as a web server and far easier to secure."
Your a little off here - I said that I seen a lot of posts stating that NT4 is running fine. I didn't say it was a better web server than 2000.
I did say that NT4 is eaiser to secure. That is certainly true. In 2000 you have to mess around with policys and about 10 times the services running on the box than you did with an NT4 box. I have 14 steps to secure an NT4 IIS box. With 2000 it takes me about 2 hours to make sure its locked down correctly. Seems eaiser on an NT4 box to me - IMHO.
And who cares if it goes on the unsupported list this year. When was the last time that you called M$ support??? Never?? - yea me neither... and they will still come out with hot fixes for it - so big deal.
Actually I would like to convert all our web servers to BSD/Apache - This way I could worry about a lot less - but the suits want to go the M$ way so theres not a lot I can do about it...
"...I'm using a company machine with WinNT 4.0 SP6a. With a "Windows(R) 2000 Professional 1-2 CPU" sticker on the side. We downgraded it, and for a very good reason."
Not to be off topic - but this is illegal. Sorry, really, but an OEM version of the software that comes with the machine must (MUST) keep that version of the OS that it came with, unless you purchased another "shrink wrap" copy of 2000/NT4. The only version of software you can downgrade is "shrink wrap". Might want to check your licenses....
OK - that being said. We are not doing the subscriptions based stuff either. Nor are we buying the OS with the box anymore (much to Dell's frustration). Why pay for something that your NOT going to upgrade. I pay extra to downgrade a box. I seen a lot of posts that state NT4 is running fine for that web site (its much easier to secure - that's why people are still using it) or that legacy database app, custom app, etc...
M$ is upgrading software about every 2.5+ years now. If you get a subscription, you have to renew it in 2 years - gee just under when the next version is coming out. I think that a company would subscribe to a package for no other reason than - loyalty. If you have a subscription - you will basically be paying twice for every new version of everything that you have. NO thanks! M$ has to learn that it is NOT IBM, never have been and never will be - period.
One more rant b4 I go. The thing that pisses me off the most is the fact that M$ says - 20 gazillion copies of Windows 2000 sold so far this year. How many people (like me) buy shrink wrap 2K and load NT 4 on the machines. A LOT I would bet!!
We are an M$ shop here - but just to raise my karma a bit - I have 2 rogue BSD boxes in the wild here. Oh and the OS on both of them was FREE! Didn't even need a license key - honest...:)
Ok - I'm kind of surprised that IBM would even be involved with this. IBM could write this themselves - if there was any kind of need for it at all. Sony is looking to expand the PS2 platform for sure (could help them) - but Toshiba??? - these guys can't even get their "computer products" web site to work right.
No kidding - go try and configure a server from their web site - won't happen. And their eq sucks - period. I'm not really trying to troll them - but it has been very painful working with their stuff - trust me. You want them to write an OS for ya???
AND why oh why does everone thing that I need to watch TV (aka - boob tube) on my PC and my Ipaq and my laptop and my tablet PC or whatever you happen to be using - in my car, in the shitter, outside playing with the kid - gods.... I hardly watch TV on my TV - and have never on anything else... I don't have tivo (spelling?) or any of that crap - and I bet most people do not either - its just not that important.
What is this going to do for ANYBODY in any kind of major market?
Not to mention the fact that "Broadband" is a wet dream at this point in time for most people. And I don't really see this picking up that much over the next 3 years or so.
I really don't think that it is the LAN parties that are causing this to become a problem. It's always been a problem (problem?).
Anyone (old enough) remember the 8-12 hour D&D sessions over at a friends house starting around Saturday at noon. I sure do. Played that all through out high school. And afterwards for a while.
Now when that stopped being popular I got hooked on the MUDs - played for about 5 or 6 years. Then it was CIV - and actually planning on picking up 3 soon.
I work hard - usually about 50-60 hours a week and some weekend hours once in a while. And married with a 3 year old at home. But I still play when I get the chance. Can anyone say stress relief?:)
This is a bit involved. What application are you going to use to take care of this? Something like Filenet or OTG DiskExtender is going to be needed. And something to view the data.
We have about 16TB in the Data Center here and we have a combination of eq to take care of the data - Optical, Disk and Tape.
If I was charged with this project - I would look into The OTG DiskExtender software. The software is a bit involved - but once its working its great. It basically creates a cache out of hard drives and writes it off to tape or optical for archival/storage purposes whenever you tell it to. It can also make copies of the platters once they are full and the copies can be removed for storage and backup.
I would look into EMC - or Hitachi (just as good and not as costly as the EMC gear) - or MTI (runs good - not as fast or as much $ as the other 2) for disk space and get a storage box that will handle at least 2 times the amount of storage that you will need in a day - then buy either several Qualstar 412600 (http://www.qualstar.com/146073.htm) with AIT3 drives or several big Plasmon Magento optical boxes like the G638 (http://www.plasmon.com/mo/g5.html) and use those for archive and retrival (if it's been purged from the magnetic) for the system. We use a lot of optical because of the stability and life of the disks and use the Qualstar stuff to to mostly backups with - because they are ROCK solid tape libraries. One more thing - we use the HP opticals also, and they are very nice, but the biggest they have is the 2200mx and is only 2.2TB and they are a bit more money than the Plasmon boxes.
You could go with tape as the backend - but it will be pretty slow - Optical is not that much more $ but works very well. BUT you will need to have enought magnetic to front all of this to make it usable.
We have custom built a viewer for all this - and you might have to also?? But this might be a bit off - we deal with millions of "images" here - not video, so if I am misleading with any of this - sorry. But one thing is true - don't get sucked into a one vendor solution - not going to happen with something like this....
It would be pretty neat to set this up and get it running - want some help?:) Oh and this is going to be BIG BUCKS - no matter what you do.
Duke
(please note - I dont work for any of these guys - I just "live" with them a lot:)
"Following Gartner's recommendation to seek alternatives to IIS only accomplishes what the industrial terrorists want. The terrorists who hijacked U.S. airplanes on September 11 analyzed the airline security system until they found a weakness, and then they exploited it. Much in the same way, industrial terrorists analyzed IIS Web server security until they found a weakness, and then they exploited it. If Gartner wrote an equivalent recommendation for business travelers, would it be to take the bus rather than risk airline travel? That would be a victory for terrorism, as would abandoning IIS."
Could someone explain to me how a hacker who defaces a M$ run web site and a terrorist who hijacks a plane and crashes it into a building, killing thousands, is related? Come on, this is really weak.
I find it hard to believe that this guy is even saying this stuff. He must be working for M.. OHHH - he's a "Microsoft.NET Developer Evangelist". FUD for ALL!!!
Well that explains a lot. These Evangelists are theology students who got caught playing Doom in the dorms.....
I only buy books from ebay - ones that I have a hard time finding elsewhere.
I have paid between $.50 and $8.50 for these books. I haven't been ripped off once. I get brunt a little on the shipping - sometimes, but no biggie. I would never buy a computer or comm eq or anything that I wouldn't be able to look at 1st - never. I know that there are some "great" deals out there - but I'll spend the extra 50 bucks for one from the store down the street to make sure I don't get nailed.
Point is - don't spend more than your willing to lose. That way you won't have any trouble.
This is really very funny, but you hit the nail on the head, so to speak.
These are the kinds of questions that we all ask from time to time - "esoterical" questions if you will. Why are we here? Is there a God? Are there God's? What happens when we die? Where did we come from? etc...
Who can answer them?? Anyone?
If you live to be 3000 years old - you still won't be able to answer these questions for me. Think about it. No wait - don't sweat it - you can't answer them.
If you can answer these questions you are using some form of faith (belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence - American Heritage Dictionary) to answer them. Sorry but this doesn't work real well for me. If you want me to convert - show me.
IMHO - the Jedi religion is just peachy with me. Now I know it's mostly a joke - but it could be very "real" if enough people got together and made it "real" (like every other religion). If they live better lives because of it - more power to them. That goes for any religion actually. If you need it to be a better person, you won't hear a peep outta me. DON'T preach to me every day of the week - it's YOUR religion. I will make peeping sounds if you do that. But I won't bother you at all otherwise.
I would have answered 897 Heathen - because that's what my Mother-in-Law (hardcore Roman Catholic) refers to me as - and I would think that it's pretty funny. But - sorry to burst your bubble - I believe in Life. I guess that this would make me an Agnostic?? - if you need to put a word/title to it go ahead, I won't mind, I don't sweat the little stuff.
Gods - this couldn't be more true. It drives me nuts that I have to "not" install several things when I have to put in a box that is just going to be a file server!!!
When IIS 1st came out there was a "recommended" list of things to do to the OS and IIS to make it "secure". I'm sure that the new "secure" version of the install will do most of these things. When I started using IIS (version 3) and found the paperwork for making it secure - I thought to myself - why don't they just do this stuff from the start....
I really think that this is a good thing. It might actually help reduce the number of script kiddie type attacks over all - because it will actually force people to learn that you DON'T leave the admin site running and you DON'T use the default web site to run YOUR site from, etc, etc... Let's face it - if your PHB's force you to use it (cough, cough) than you should at least know how.
It really is about time they did this, heck the way the install is now - it almost hacks itself!!
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I don't know how they would make any money off it unless you do a subscription type of service. I can't see myself reading an ebook newspaper with banner ads flashing around at the top of the screen :)
But even so - very good application for something that I still think won't replace a "book".
Duke
You can buy a book for 5 or 6 bucks, set it on a shelf and never have to worry about losing it, or have it get over wrote by another one etc...
And there is something about holding and reading a book - that a computer just can't replace. I don't know what exactly it is - but I just hate reading manuals online. I still buy the books (or at least print them out).
They are "pushing" new ideas at us that we don't really want. I hope they soon "get it" :)
Duke
Seriously - I got very little done today - and laughed quite a bit :)
And to all those who bitched all day long - if you can't say something nice - go post AC - hehehehe....
I think that kitty is going to dig this one.... :)
I personally don't like HP and I LOVE Compaq. I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks, I LOVE the Proliant server line. I have been doing this pushing 20 years and I'd put a Compaq box up against anything.
Compaq had done some pretty STUPID things in the past - I'll admit that. But if they just quit pissing around with everything that you can think of and focused their business on the server market - I think that they could make a comeback in a big way.
But with this HP/Compaq meger - Compaq is just going to go away. And I'll be left screwing around with these damn PC/server wannabe Dell boxes. Christ am I so pissed over this. I don't even want to talk about it anymore...........
I was "there". 18 years in the biz - 13 different jobs. The last one that I had was the "ONE". Believe it or not, it was a bank. Holy shit was it a cool place to work. The bosses were all past techies and they really knew how to mix fun and hard work. They would have no problems funding for the "good" equipment when it was needed. And they would let us play around with the spare servers and such stuff. They really made it a very enjoyable place to work.
We would bust our asses over a weekend to get a big project finished up and then after everything was rolling as it should be - the BIG boss would come back to the networking area on Wednesday morning around 11AM and would tell us that there was Beer and a BBQ going on out back for us. The whole data center would come outside and drink a few beers and eat hamburgers/hot dogs etc... AND THEN we would play softball or volleyball all afternoon. And the BIG boss would be right there with us.
I worked at that place for 2 1/2 years - and I could CRY (and I really mean that) - because they got bought out by a bigger bank who had their operations setup much like IBM - 15 managers and 8 people working for them, etc... I just couldn't take it - even tho they were going to "let" me keep my job.
I thought that I found another "right" place with this job - but in all reality I took about 8 steps back because of the way that it is turning out. The asswh^H^H^H err people that I work for here is following the straight and narrow. ie very narrow.
Don't give up hope - and DONT give up. I fight with these people EVERYDAY to try and make things right. But I don't let it get to me much --- I will split this place as soon as I find the next "good thing".
Duke
I'll admit that the policys are probly fine and work well once you spend the time with them. But its a learning curve for the policys stuff - and not a very easy one for me. I pretty much support a 35 system / 16 TB data center by myself. I have used some of the tools too - and they are OK - but tend to shut down some stuff that you need to have running. Just like the C2 tool did to NT4 years ago.
I keep up with the patches and monitoring the logs and everything else manually - they won't spend the money for ELM, SecureIIS etc... But I do keep them secure - Oh and I CAN adequately secure an NT4 IIS box in about 14 steps. Got it right from M$'s web and took out the crap. But its behind a PIX firewall (that I take care of too) so only the stupid stuff, like leaving the default web site running and such, would make it insecure anyway.
You should do some home work too. M$ is going to write hotfixes for NT 4 till Jan 1, 2005. 3 years would be enough time to keep NT4 around.
And as far as pining for BSD - they won't even hear about it - so I dont spend too much time with it. But as with OpenBSD - a 4 year default install with NO hacks to it. Sounds like a pretty secure box to me.
Duke
Your a little off here - I said that I seen a lot of posts stating that NT4 is running fine. I didn't say it was a better web server than 2000.
I did say that NT4 is eaiser to secure. That is certainly true. In 2000 you have to mess around with policys and about 10 times the services running on the box than you did with an NT4 box. I have 14 steps to secure an NT4 IIS box. With 2000 it takes me about 2 hours to make sure its locked down correctly. Seems eaiser on an NT4 box to me - IMHO.
And who cares if it goes on the unsupported list this year. When was the last time that you called M$ support??? Never?? - yea me neither... and they will still come out with hot fixes for it - so big deal.
Actually I would like to convert all our web servers to BSD/Apache - This way I could worry about a lot less - but the suits want to go the M$ way so theres not a lot I can do about it...
Not to be off topic - but this is illegal. Sorry, really, but an OEM version of the software that comes with the machine must (MUST) keep that version of the OS that it came with, unless you purchased another "shrink wrap" copy of 2000/NT4. The only version of software you can downgrade is "shrink wrap". Might want to check your licenses....
OK - that being said. We are not doing the subscriptions based stuff either. Nor are we buying the OS with the box anymore (much to Dell's frustration). Why pay for something that your NOT going to upgrade. I pay extra to downgrade a box. I seen a lot of posts that state NT4 is running fine for that web site (its much easier to secure - that's why people are still using it) or that legacy database app, custom app, etc...
M$ is upgrading software about every 2.5+ years now. If you get a subscription, you have to renew it in 2 years - gee just under when the next version is coming out. I think that a company would subscribe to a package for no other reason than - loyalty. If you have a subscription - you will basically be paying twice for every new version of everything that you have. NO thanks! M$ has to learn that it is NOT IBM, never have been and never will be - period.
One more rant b4 I go. The thing that pisses me off the most is the fact that M$ says - 20 gazillion copies of Windows 2000 sold so far this year. How many people (like me) buy shrink wrap 2K and load NT 4 on the machines. A LOT I would bet!!
We are an M$ shop here - but just to raise my karma a bit - I have 2 rogue BSD boxes in the wild here. Oh and the OS on both of them was FREE! Didn't even need a license key - honest... :)
Duke
No kidding - go try and configure a server from their web site - won't happen. And their eq sucks - period. I'm not really trying to troll them - but it has been very painful working with their stuff - trust me. You want them to write an OS for ya???
AND why oh why does everone thing that I need to watch TV (aka - boob tube) on my PC and my Ipaq and my laptop and my tablet PC or whatever you happen to be using - in my car, in the shitter, outside playing with the kid - gods.... I hardly watch TV on my TV - and have never on anything else... I don't have tivo (spelling?) or any of that crap - and I bet most people do not either - its just not that important.
What is this going to do for ANYBODY in any kind of major market?
Not to mention the fact that "Broadband" is a wet dream at this point in time for most people. And I don't really see this picking up that much over the next 3 years or so.
Maybe its me - but I just don't get it.
click on the splash/whatever ad link @ bostom.com - I just had to laugh.
Anyone (old enough) remember the 8-12 hour D&D sessions over at a friends house starting around Saturday at noon. I sure do. Played that all through out high school. And afterwards for a while.
Now when that stopped being popular I got hooked on the MUDs - played for about 5 or 6 years. Then it was CIV - and actually planning on picking up 3 soon.
I work hard - usually about 50-60 hours a week and some weekend hours once in a while. And married with a 3 year old at home. But I still play when I get the chance. Can anyone say stress relief? :)
We have about 16TB in the Data Center here and we have a combination of eq to take care of the data - Optical, Disk and Tape.
If I was charged with this project - I would look into The OTG DiskExtender software. The software is a bit involved - but once its working its great. It basically creates a cache out of hard drives and writes it off to tape or optical for archival/storage purposes whenever you tell it to. It can also make copies of the platters once they are full and the copies can be removed for storage and backup.
I would look into EMC - or Hitachi (just as good and not as costly as the EMC gear) - or MTI (runs good - not as fast or as much $ as the other 2) for disk space and get a storage box that will handle at least 2 times the amount of storage that you will need in a day - then buy either several Qualstar 412600 (http://www.qualstar.com/146073.htm) with AIT3 drives or several big Plasmon Magento optical boxes like the G638 (http://www.plasmon.com/mo/g5.html) and use those for archive and retrival (if it's been purged from the magnetic) for the system. We use a lot of optical because of the stability and life of the disks and use the Qualstar stuff to to mostly backups with - because they are ROCK solid tape libraries. One more thing - we use the HP opticals also, and they are very nice, but the biggest they have is the 2200mx and is only 2.2TB and they are a bit more money than the Plasmon boxes.
You could go with tape as the backend - but it will be pretty slow - Optical is not that much more $ but works very well. BUT you will need to have enought magnetic to front all of this to make it usable.
We have custom built a viewer for all this - and you might have to also?? But this might be a bit off - we deal with millions of "images" here - not video, so if I am misleading with any of this - sorry. But one thing is true - don't get sucked into a one vendor solution - not going to happen with something like this....
It would be pretty neat to set this up and get it running - want some help? :) Oh and this is going to be BIG BUCKS - no matter what you do.
Duke :)
(please note - I dont work for any of these guys - I just "live" with them a lot
Could someone explain to me how a hacker who defaces a M$ run web site and a terrorist who hijacks a plane and crashes it into a building, killing thousands, is related? Come on, this is really weak.
I find it hard to believe that this guy is even saying this stuff. He must be working for M.. OHHH - he's a "Microsoft .NET Developer Evangelist". FUD for ALL!!!
Well that explains a lot. These Evangelists are theology students who got caught playing Doom in the dorms.....
I have paid between $.50 and $8.50 for these books. I haven't been ripped off once. I get brunt a little on the shipping - sometimes, but no biggie.
I would never buy a computer or comm eq or anything that I wouldn't be able to look at 1st - never. I know that there are some "great" deals out there - but I'll spend the extra 50 bucks for one from the store down the street to make sure I don't get nailed.
Point is - don't spend more than your willing to lose. That way you won't have any trouble.
These are the kinds of questions that we all ask from time to time - "esoterical" questions if you will. Why are we here? Is there a God? Are there God's? What happens when we die? Where did we come from? etc...
Who can answer them?? Anyone?
If you live to be 3000 years old - you still won't be able to answer these questions for me. Think about it. No wait - don't sweat it - you can't answer them.
If you can answer these questions you are using some form of faith (belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence - American Heritage Dictionary) to answer them. Sorry but this doesn't work real well for me. If you want me to convert - show me.
IMHO - the Jedi religion is just peachy with me. Now I know it's mostly a joke - but it could be very "real" if enough people got together and made it "real" (like every other religion). If they live better lives because of it - more power to them. That goes for any religion actually. If you need it to be a better person, you won't hear a peep outta me. DON'T preach to me every day of the week - it's YOUR religion. I will make peeping sounds if you do that. But I won't bother you at all otherwise.
I would have answered 897 Heathen - because that's what my Mother-in-Law (hardcore Roman Catholic) refers to me as - and I would think that it's pretty funny. But - sorry to burst your bubble - I believe in Life. I guess that this would make me an Agnostic?? - if you need to put a word/title to it go ahead, I won't mind, I don't sweat the little stuff.
Why oh why do they do this.....
I really think that this is a good thing. It might actually help reduce the number of script kiddie type attacks over all - because it will actually force people to learn that you DON'T leave the admin site running and you DON'T use the default web site to run YOUR site from, etc, etc... Let's face it - if your PHB's force you to use it (cough, cough) than you should at least know how.
It really is about time they did this, heck the way the install is now - it almost hacks itself!!