There are many like this, no doubt. But a lot of it depends on the size of the project and the types of users who typically use it.
In general, mail servers mailing list are the most abrasive group of asswipes I have ever experienced. Cyrus-imap is occupied by a bunch of personalities that are just begging to be blown up. I've never see a better example of your comment to WTFM and then RTFM and meanwhile STFU. It was simply because of the utter lack of support that I bailed on the project entirely. I think it sucks.
Meanwhile Postfix is slightly better. Whiney posts about "Stupid postfix doesn't work, this thing sucks." will only result in snubs. But you have to learn how to make posts to mailing lists. Once you do it correctly then you will receive (typically) lots of good answers to the questions.
Perl, Ruby, PostgreSQL, Debian-users have all been very useful lists for me. I have never been snubbed even with the most retarded questions out there. They are new, they are modest, and they are all trying together to make it a better place to be.
Now for the important piece.
How to write an email to a mailing list without sounding like a fucktard.
Clearly and succinctly state your objectives you wish to accomplish, "I'm trying to set up a relay mail server in my DMZ to forward delivered email to my LAN." Don't start with "I wanna set up a mail server." There's a lot of ways to do it and if you go with the default setting you'll have "a mail server." But probably not what you wanted. Show that you have applied some thought to your objectives.
Specifically identify what section of the configuration or manual you are having trouble with and if possible, identify what you tried to to, why, and what didn't work the way you wanted it to. But you have to prove that you RTFM while sober and with some actual config attempts with trials and results. RTFM on the bus doesn't count.
Post your configuration where you can.
Post your logs where you can. Be succinct.
Google it. Often times you will find the same problem somewhere else. If your's is close but still problemmatic, then identify the diffs to help identify the problems.
You have to make sure that you are able to present a context that makes sense. To simply state, "my address_verify_default_transport doesn't work." won't get you much traction. Why doesn't it work, what are you hoping to do, what have you tried? What were the results.
Most of the time that I do this, I end up finding the damn problem myself and don't need to post anything.
Never expect someone to just hand you a solution to your problem. This isn't the world of Microsoft where you just reboot, patch, reboot, pray. This is the real world where you can set up real stuff and fix real problems. Not much voodoo here.
Many of the posts that I see get snubbed are posts that are presented by people who either take the attitude that it's your fault their computer doesn't work, or that they are expecting you to hand them the solution to an extremely complex problem. Setting up multiple domains on a mail server with deliniations between local delivery, local relays, remote relays, SMTP_AUTH, and virtual domain rewrites isn't going to be accomplished in an hour. By the way, the first post, where it's the mailing lists fault will usually get a response of violent bile spewing bugged eyed flames.
In short, don't be arrogant. Present your case with evidence that you really tried. And you will be surprised the results. But not always... Even this kind of an approach with Cyrus-imap brought reproach from the residents of the mailing list. But I've had great success with the others.
Oh yeah. One other really important thing. And this is HUGE. If you can answer the guys who are behind you on the curve then those ahead of you will often times recognize that you are not just a leach but contributing. That will get you a lot of karma points in getting more polite results. I try spend an hour answering someones questions on at least a mailing list.
If Best Buy and Costco find themselves unable to sell these products without a 75% return rate for any reason, they'll be the ones to block the continuance of the concept.
But to be frank. All of these activities are really only going to result in people moving away from the media channel entirely. There are so many alternative methods available for media entertainment that anything which can be perceived as a cost to the end user (like this) is going to run an equal chance of increasing revenue by advertisement lock-ins and a chance of driving people away entirely.
There are already channels that I simply won't watch because the advertisement curve is too much. Especially with movies. No commercials for an hour followed by commercials every five minutes to the point where the plot is so fragmented you just stop watching.
I think that many of these companies are going to push people back into alternative media channels, including books.
Considering how awesomely powerful many CPU's are, I would think that they would continue moving towards more multi-core cpus instead. After a while, lots of cpus will out flank a fast one.
But as a company, I can advertise FIPS compliance as proof that I care about your data. And if it's insecure and unstable, I can at least fall back on the "But it's FIPS compliant" and save a few karma points.
But I would have no qualms about going Open Source at every opportunity. The whole concept has proven itself so utterly and completely superior that you really are shorting yourself for not seriously considering Open Source products. In the event that you evaluate something that's too buggy for you, consider it a service to provide constructive critique of the products on any level.
Because they can't be recognized as an Enterprise Capable product with a company to back them up with resources, SLA's, and contractual gaurantees. That's why.
This is kind of a dumb question. Sure, Oracle could run on Debian or anything else, but none of these products are making any significant inroads into the corporate american businesses who would purchase Oracle in the first place. It would make as much sense as buying out Amiga.
First, your an ass. You ask if I'm so sure of my own perceptions. Don't be a flamebait.
No I haven't been to China. But I've been to Mexico. Mexico at the time was the then China of low cost manufacture. All of the television assembly factories were within 5 miles. And I wouldn't be the least but surprised if they are within locality of each other because the labor skills will be localized as will the parts shipping and distribution. It wouldn't make sense to have to recreate the infrastructure necessary in two locations.
As you kind of implied... about 5 years depending on what you use it for and how much travel/abuse it gets. But for notebooks I expect less and for desktops more.
Since this is about notebooks: 4 years if have the $$$.
But the contrast between Thinkpad and Dell et al is the price. Chinese made products are made because of the Wal-Mart Effect. If it's made in China it's got to be very low in price. But Thinkpads are still significantly more expensive than a Dell or HP. This isn't to say that the price difference is unjustified or unwarranted. But if you were to have these computers made by a German company (a country with a long standing perception of high quality engineering) then people would be more willing to have the price significantly higher than a product made in a country famous for it's cheap Manufacturing costs and an unknown Engineering quality (possibly historically suspect).
If you look at their ultra-portable models, they are readily $500 more than other companies. I'm sure they are all made on the same street in China, but that kind of a price difference, combined with the relatively short life expectancy of a computer, tends to push me towards the cheaper models.
If computer hardware requirement growth slows down, this will give longevity to my notebooks. This in turn will give me reason to consider a better quality machine that can be expected to last longer, which brings Thinkpads back into view. But they have to survive this change from IBM to Lenovo.
If BMW or Mercedes decided to move all their locations into Korea and China I would expect their markets to take a severe hit for the same reason. And people would expect BMW vehicles to drop in price by at least 30% overnight. The perceptions of the parent companies are significant in getting people to choose.
There never is a simple rule for anything like this.
I for one don't see any value in keeping any of these stories around. They're all pretty worthless and have little or no value. As a matter of respect, I would expect these articles to be summarily dropped if requested by the individuals themselves.
Unfortunately if you were to go back to the first week after the events, even the story of Rosa Parks might be something that could be deleted with enough complaints about it. And there you have the paradox of Free Speech versus Liable Risk management.
At this point in time, there is nothing preventing anyone from taking this content and moving it to their own websites and thereby keeping the story alive, just not on wikipedia's bandwidth. This is the nice thing about Free Speech. The down side would be the potential for someone to have the article banned on the grounds of copyright infringement.
I think it's more a problem of access to the data for purpose of mining. In order to do any meaningful dataming you have to have a few barriers removed. Namely:
It has to be cheap to access. This is in terms of network costs, labor costs, and most importantly everyone believes that they can make a profit if they sell the access to their data. For data mining purposes, this becomes cost prohibitive. You have to Free the Data.
It has to be legal to access. As time goes on, the amount of data, or the types of data that I have access to is collapsing into a smaller circle every year as lawyers get paranoid about the data privacy. It is not at the point where vital engineering information is being removed. This allows the lawyers to sleep well, but the engineers have NFC what's going on.
It has to be understood before it can be accessed. Most people wouldn't understand the implications of the data presented to them. They would miss the subtleties and flounder in mis-assumptions. For instance, there is no such thing as unique SSN's in America. There are no unique keys for cars and doors.
The data has to be structured before it can be gathered. You can't just put everything on the planet onto a spreadsheet and think it will have any value.
I spent last weekend putting together my own prototype of a one-time-pad authentication system for logging into websites. I guess the concept is similar to S/Key some 10 years ago, but the passwords are generated on the fly and sent to your SMS phone. Reference: One Time Authentication
But I fail to see why they need to this secure. Sure, randomness is good, but if you are trying to type in a painfully obscured 32 character password, you'll probably get a bit frustrated. I found using pseudo-random characters that followed some phonetic pattern to be much more suitable, even for a one time use. At least they were easy to remember on short term basis and weren't difficult to type in.
I mean, if you really want to find out if they can be useful on the internet for authentication to websites, try out my link and get some practical application experience on the matter. Sorry if this sounds like a plug but I'm not selling anything. But I would be interested in useful feedback on what works and what doesn't about the overall concept.
Good point. I guess it might be reasonable to consider Bushes actions something of a radical departure from what used to be considered the Conservative Republicans. Unfortunately with the Christian based religious right taking up all the good air in the Republican party, the Republicans are starting to very radical and highly religiously driven.
I sometimes wonder if the idea of fighting the terrorists isn't really a fight between two really fucked up religious views, both of whom are terribly wrong. Consider that we've decided that Arab nations can't be business holders for the US ports for... No good reason thank you...
Oh the heck with it. If you pay attention to anything, you'll quickly realize that everyone who is sitting around rattling their sabers, be they Isrealis, Palistinians, Jews, Muslims, or Christians, they are all working on the doctrine that the Ends justifies the Means with the gaurantee of a lot more pain and suffering in the world than any of these religions are founded upon.
We are being over run by the assholes of the world.
I know they had something like this in Orwelles 1984, I guess it just took us a little longer.
At this point, Bush should probably just go for broke and insert RFIDs into everyone scalp. I don't think he's gong to stop until this is implimented. So go for it. Hopefully we'll have sufficient liberal backlash to bring the country back into line with reality. At this rate we'll surpass most police states in a decade. I'm not exactly a liberal or a conservative, but this stuff is getting out of hand.
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To put it simply, that's there problem.
It might be argued that one of the main contributions to Microsoft Windows success in the 1990's is their execute of ease of use and simplified interface for the users to experience. This has been continued despite an indefensible failure to take security seriously. And yet they continue to grow.
Given Microsoft as a success story, if you have a well written and therefore secure javascript application/website then you have the advantage of ease of use and simplifed interface for the clients and have actually surpassed Microsofts history of security.
I would say you are well ahead of the game.
Anyone who is serious enough to turn of javascript on their shiny new IE has probably already realized that they would be better off to just run with one of the alternatives. Anyone who doesn't know better still has javascript enabled on their MSIE browser.
You probably never have worked for a corporation of any longevity.
The older and larger the company, the more wrapped they are in the bureaucratic policies and society the they are born from. These companies are also the ones that are slow to adapt technology and are more concerned about appearance and presentation than capabilities of anything technical.
Rather than ever criticizing the visual design I would rather focus on how well the overall UI plays out when compared to some doctrines like those outlined in:
The Art of Unix Programming.
The Design of Everyday Things.
I'm not a regular user of OO, but generally it's easier to use than MSFT products because most of the time it's fairly straightforward.
Which is one of the reasons I now use only postgresql. It's not sneaky about anything.
Perl and postgres goes a long ways to making some great web applications. PHP is nice but it's only working in the same userspace as Perl and with the improvements on Javascript it's likely that we have to many players in the field.
Which is actually good, because it allows you to have an escape route in the event that everything you love get's bought out by someone you don't love.
Actually the Space Shuttle was a damn good idea and the concept is still a damn good idea. If it sucked so bad then why are people still considering a reusable delivery system today?
Nay Sayer!!!
It's still a good idea, just like the 286 intel chip was. But they need to opportunity to go next generation on the project and build a new series. In the future I think it would make more sense if NASA only built two and then started a redesign.
Seeing as I can't buy one of these drives from my usual shopping websites, why would I care? Obviously the technology is very new. I would much rather let Samsung and Windows sort out all the defects at their cost and embarrassment than risk buying a kludgey piece of hardware for my linux computer.
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There are many like this, no doubt. But a lot of it depends on the size of the project and the types of users who typically use it.
In general, mail servers mailing list are the most abrasive group of asswipes I have ever experienced. Cyrus-imap is occupied by a bunch of personalities that are just begging to be blown up. I've never see a better example of your comment to WTFM and then RTFM and meanwhile STFU. It was simply because of the utter lack of support that I bailed on the project entirely. I think it sucks.
Meanwhile Postfix is slightly better. Whiney posts about "Stupid postfix doesn't work, this thing sucks." will only result in snubs. But you have to learn how to make posts to mailing lists. Once you do it correctly then you will receive (typically) lots of good answers to the questions.
Perl, Ruby, PostgreSQL, Debian-users have all been very useful lists for me. I have never been snubbed even with the most retarded questions out there. They are new, they are modest, and they are all trying together to make it a better place to be.
Now for the important piece.
How to write an email to a mailing list without sounding like a fucktard.
Clearly and succinctly state your objectives you wish to accomplish, "I'm trying to set up a relay mail server in my DMZ to forward delivered email to my LAN." Don't start with "I wanna set up a mail server." There's a lot of ways to do it and if you go with the default setting you'll have "a mail server." But probably not what you wanted. Show that you have applied some thought to your objectives.
Specifically identify what section of the configuration or manual you are having trouble with and if possible, identify what you tried to to, why, and what didn't work the way you wanted it to. But you have to prove that you RTFM while sober and with some actual config attempts with trials and results. RTFM on the bus doesn't count.
Post your configuration where you can.
Post your logs where you can. Be succinct.
Google it. Often times you will find the same problem somewhere else. If your's is close but still problemmatic, then identify the diffs to help identify the problems.
You have to make sure that you are able to present a context that makes sense. To simply state, "my address_verify_default_transport doesn't work." won't get you much traction. Why doesn't it work, what are you hoping to do, what have you tried? What were the results.
Most of the time that I do this, I end up finding the damn problem myself and don't need to post anything.
Never expect someone to just hand you a solution to your problem. This isn't the world of Microsoft where you just reboot, patch, reboot, pray. This is the real world where you can set up real stuff and fix real problems. Not much voodoo here.
Many of the posts that I see get snubbed are posts that are presented by people who either take the attitude that it's your fault their computer doesn't work, or that they are expecting you to hand them the solution to an extremely complex problem. Setting up multiple domains on a mail server with deliniations between local delivery, local relays, remote relays, SMTP_AUTH, and virtual domain rewrites isn't going to be accomplished in an hour. By the way, the first post, where it's the mailing lists fault will usually get a response of violent bile spewing bugged eyed flames.
In short, don't be arrogant. Present your case with evidence that you really tried. And you will be surprised the results. But not always... Even this kind of an approach with Cyrus-imap brought reproach from the residents of the mailing list. But I've had great success with the others.
Oh yeah. One other really important thing. And this is HUGE. If you can answer the guys who are behind you on the curve then those ahead of you will often times recognize that you are not just a leach but contributing. That will get you a lot of karma points in getting more polite results. I try spend an hour answering someones questions on at least a mailing list.
I'll still return it as defective.
If Best Buy and Costco find themselves unable to sell these products without a 75% return rate for any reason, they'll be the ones to block the continuance of the concept.
But to be frank. All of these activities are really only going to result in people moving away from the media channel entirely. There are so many alternative methods available for media entertainment that anything which can be perceived as a cost to the end user (like this) is going to run an equal chance of increasing revenue by advertisement lock-ins and a chance of driving people away entirely.
There are already channels that I simply won't watch because the advertisement curve is too much. Especially with movies. No commercials for an hour followed by commercials every five minutes to the point where the plot is so fragmented you just stop watching.
I think that many of these companies are going to push people back into alternative media channels, including books.
Well you can certainly do it faster. But it's a lot harder to work on a patch.
Damn Your Eyes!!!
I was thinking of the exact same thing. Clockwork Orange.
What a nightmare this place has become. Where do I get off?
Considering how awesomely powerful many CPU's are, I would think that they would continue moving towards more multi-core cpus instead. After a while, lots of cpus will out flank a fast one.
Personally I would trust Open Source over FIPS.
But as a company, I can advertise FIPS compliance as proof that I care about your data. And if it's insecure and unstable, I can at least fall back on the "But it's FIPS compliant" and save a few karma points.
But I would have no qualms about going Open Source at every opportunity. The whole concept has proven itself so utterly and completely superior that you really are shorting yourself for not seriously considering Open Source products. In the event that you evaluate something that's too buggy for you, consider it a service to provide constructive critique of the products on any level.
Why Unbuntu?
Because they can't be recognized as an Enterprise Capable product with a company to back them up with resources, SLA's, and contractual gaurantees. That's why.
This is kind of a dumb question. Sure, Oracle could run on Debian or anything else, but none of these products are making any significant inroads into the corporate american businesses who would purchase Oracle in the first place. It would make as much sense as buying out Amiga.
First, your an ass. You ask if I'm so sure of my own perceptions. Don't be a flamebait.
No I haven't been to China. But I've been to Mexico. Mexico at the time was the then China of low cost manufacture. All of the television assembly factories were within 5 miles. And I wouldn't be the least but surprised if they are within locality of each other because the labor skills will be localized as will the parts shipping and distribution. It wouldn't make sense to have to recreate the infrastructure necessary in two locations.
I don't think you're thinking this through.
As you kind of implied... about 5 years depending on what you use it for and how much travel/abuse it gets. But for notebooks I expect less and for desktops more.
Since this is about notebooks: 4 years if have the $$$.
But the contrast between Thinkpad and Dell et al is the price. Chinese made products are made because of the Wal-Mart Effect. If it's made in China it's got to be very low in price. But Thinkpads are still significantly more expensive than a Dell or HP. This isn't to say that the price difference is unjustified or unwarranted. But if you were to have these computers made by a German company (a country with a long standing perception of high quality engineering) then people would be more willing to have the price significantly higher than a product made in a country famous for it's cheap Manufacturing costs and an unknown Engineering quality (possibly historically suspect).
If you look at their ultra-portable models, they are readily $500 more than other companies. I'm sure they are all made on the same street in China, but that kind of a price difference, combined with the relatively short life expectancy of a computer, tends to push me towards the cheaper models.
If computer hardware requirement growth slows down, this will give longevity to my notebooks. This in turn will give me reason to consider a better quality machine that can be expected to last longer, which brings Thinkpads back into view. But they have to survive this change from IBM to Lenovo.
If BMW or Mercedes decided to move all their locations into Korea and China I would expect their markets to take a severe hit for the same reason. And people would expect BMW vehicles to drop in price by at least 30% overnight. The perceptions of the parent companies are significant in getting people to choose.
There never is a simple rule for anything like this.
I for one don't see any value in keeping any of these stories around. They're all pretty worthless and have little or no value. As a matter of respect, I would expect these articles to be summarily dropped if requested by the individuals themselves.
Unfortunately if you were to go back to the first week after the events, even the story of Rosa Parks might be something that could be deleted with enough complaints about it. And there you have the paradox of Free Speech versus Liable Risk management.
At this point in time, there is nothing preventing anyone from taking this content and moving it to their own websites and thereby keeping the story alive, just not on wikipedia's bandwidth. This is the nice thing about Free Speech. The down side would be the potential for someone to have the article banned on the grounds of copyright infringement.
I think it's more a problem of access to the data for purpose of mining. In order to do any meaningful dataming you have to have a few barriers removed. Namely:
It has to be cheap to access. This is in terms of network costs, labor costs, and most importantly everyone believes that they can make a profit if they sell the access to their data. For data mining purposes, this becomes cost prohibitive. You have to Free the Data.
It has to be legal to access. As time goes on, the amount of data, or the types of data that I have access to is collapsing into a smaller circle every year as lawyers get paranoid about the data privacy. It is not at the point where vital engineering information is being removed. This allows the lawyers to sleep well, but the engineers have NFC what's going on.
It has to be understood before it can be accessed. Most people wouldn't understand the implications of the data presented to them. They would miss the subtleties and flounder in mis-assumptions. For instance, there is no such thing as unique SSN's in America. There are no unique keys for cars and doors.
The data has to be structured before it can be gathered. You can't just put everything on the planet onto a spreadsheet and think it will have any value.
Well, they've had over a decade to get it stabilized. How long did it take to stabilize any other protocol: NFS, TCP/IP, SSH, SMTP?
Sorry, I just don't buy that state of flux arguement. Nothings changed that much.
I'm more curious why they don't just use NFS?
I spent last weekend putting together my own prototype of a one-time-pad authentication system for logging into websites. I guess the concept is similar to S/Key some 10 years ago, but the passwords are generated on the fly and sent to your SMS phone. Reference: One Time Authentication
But I fail to see why they need to this secure. Sure, randomness is good, but if you are trying to type in a painfully obscured 32 character password, you'll probably get a bit frustrated. I found using pseudo-random characters that followed some phonetic pattern to be much more suitable, even for a one time use. At least they were easy to remember on short term basis and weren't difficult to type in.
I mean, if you really want to find out if they can be useful on the internet for authentication to websites, try out my link and get some practical application experience on the matter. Sorry if this sounds like a plug but I'm not selling anything. But I would be interested in useful feedback on what works and what doesn't about the overall concept.
Good point. I guess it might be reasonable to consider Bushes actions something of a radical departure from what used to be considered the Conservative Republicans. Unfortunately with the Christian based religious right taking up all the good air in the Republican party, the Republicans are starting to very radical and highly religiously driven.
I sometimes wonder if the idea of fighting the terrorists isn't really a fight between two really fucked up religious views, both of whom are terribly wrong. Consider that we've decided that Arab nations can't be business holders for the US ports for... No good reason thank you...
Oh the heck with it. If you pay attention to anything, you'll quickly realize that everyone who is sitting around rattling their sabers, be they Isrealis, Palistinians, Jews, Muslims, or Christians, they are all working on the doctrine that the Ends justifies the Means with the gaurantee of a lot more pain and suffering in the world than any of these religions are founded upon.
We are being over run by the assholes of the world.
Where do I get off?
I know they had something like this in Orwelles 1984, I guess it just took us a little longer.
At this point, Bush should probably just go for broke and insert RFIDs into everyone scalp. I don't think he's gong to stop until this is implimented. So go for it. Hopefully we'll have sufficient liberal backlash to bring the country back into line with reality. At this rate we'll surpass most police states in a decade. I'm not exactly a liberal or a conservative, but this stuff is getting out of hand.
To put it simply, that's there problem.
It might be argued that one of the main contributions to Microsoft Windows success in the 1990's is their execute of ease of use and simplified interface for the users to experience. This has been continued despite an indefensible failure to take security seriously. And yet they continue to grow.
Given Microsoft as a success story, if you have a well written and therefore secure javascript application/website then you have the advantage of ease of use and simplifed interface for the clients and have actually surpassed Microsofts history of security.
I would say you are well ahead of the game.
Anyone who is serious enough to turn of javascript on their shiny new IE has probably already realized that they would be better off to just run with one of the alternatives. Anyone who doesn't know better still has javascript enabled on their MSIE browser.
So don't worry about it, it's not your problem.
You probably never have worked for a corporation of any longevity.
The older and larger the company, the more wrapped they are in the bureaucratic policies and society the they are born from. These companies are also the ones that are slow to adapt technology and are more concerned about appearance and presentation than capabilities of anything technical.
like /swap?
Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.
Rather than ever criticizing the visual design I would rather focus on how well the overall UI plays out when compared to some doctrines like those outlined in:
- The Art of Unix Programming.
- The Design of Everyday Things.
I'm not a regular user of OO, but generally it's easier to use than MSFT products because most of the time it's fairly straightforward.It probably also spells the end of the series. Like jumping the shard tank.
Which is one of the reasons I now use only postgresql. It's not sneaky about anything.
Perl and postgres goes a long ways to making some great web applications. PHP is nice but it's only working in the same userspace as Perl and with the improvements on Javascript it's likely that we have to many players in the field.
Which is actually good, because it allows you to have an escape route in the event that everything you love get's bought out by someone you don't love.
This article is kind of dump. It compares LAMP to everything else FOSS.
I don't need that, I need to know how FOSS compares to Proprietary Software
Actually the Space Shuttle was a damn good idea and the concept is still a damn good idea. If it sucked so bad then why are people still considering a reusable delivery system today?
Nay Sayer!!!
It's still a good idea, just like the 286 intel chip was. But they need to opportunity to go next generation on the project and build a new series. In the future I think it would make more sense if NASA only built two and then started a redesign.
Seeing as I can't buy one of these drives from my usual shopping websites, why would I care? Obviously the technology is very new. I would much rather let Samsung and Windows sort out all the defects at their cost and embarrassment than risk buying a kludgey piece of hardware for my linux computer.