Also, when simple browsing doesn't work, you don't really call this a so called 'BETA'. I'd say, developer reference version, more than end user alpha version.
Multi lingual capability is totally dropped since if a web page has Japanese font, nothing displays. Total blank. Too bad Apple had to show the quality of 'BETA' this way... but it was just too early, but I guess WWDC can't wait.
Let's hope the transition of CPU made game devs to easily port games than before. As well as you can also hope that recent virtualization might bring tons of games to Mac if one owns Windows too to run them in virtual machine at playable efficiency.
So, it can be a time for a change than the old loop.
Sorry to make you less excited but VLC is far from being stable and sexy. For one, under Mac OS X, VLC keeps crashing trying to watch DVD and trying to fast forward and what not, and DVD Player that comes with OS X is far more stable, only it does near to none buffering making network movie play almost impossible.
For two, the Windows version has stone age interface that somehow looks far less sexier than OS X version and don't blame just because it's Windows interface. It can still look as good considering iTunes and Safari can make them look similar to OS X's. And somehow Windows version has no overlay controller on full screen like OS X's does...
For three, when fast forwarding some videos, screen all becomes blured and colors all mixed for some seconds until it catches up to pick enough frames to render everything properly. This looks rather bad for a user's point of view when QuickTime and DVD player or WMP never makes such dirty rendering upon fast forwaring.
And all of these, has been there for literally ages... I've been trying to see the progress of VLC for years, everytime new version comes out, I get excited to see that it finally may become the life saver of media playing in multiple platforms, but I always see something more or less critical making me turn around back to OS specific media player, just because they basically have no QA team.
Maybe it works, maybe it's the last life saver, but it just can't be the primary video player for many reasons.
Have we finally figured this out?... 95% users don't care if the app has source code downloads or not or if you can modify the source code or not, FOSS is all about dev's point of view, which MIGHT lead into user's environment, but not as much as what dev's want.
I agree. Having server handle all the load is silly, unless the server is a localhost but then it doesn't have to be web based.
The better is to use more of a local based system like SVG, but yet nothing beats the local graphic application when it comes to serious use. The best bet for web based graphic tool is some enhanced mspaint using svg or flash, which might have a tiny niche market being cross platform and all.
Just one word, does Firefox need to install 20 extensions to make it comfortable?
At least if Firefox is much lighter (like, starts up in 1 second) and is as fast as Opera's rendering, then it is proper that it is a stripped down browser as a default layout. And then again, many many developers and just because the source is open in FOSS way never means the software is great too. And yes, IE, it's worse.
That's why I use IE wrappers (which usually has almost all of nice features built in) or Opera (nice features are mostly all built in too) or even Safari (which somehow has enough features, though apparently it lacks enough features to be complately comfortable).
All these times, a bunch of paid but reliable worker is better than million hobby programmers. Who is going to actually understand the source code in all those big FOSS projects? no one. no documents, no nothing with immature developers here and there.
After touching Linux for over 5 years and having had Gentoo on servers and on desktop couple of times, and tested out a dozen other distribution in the past years and using Linux daily on server operating, I just gave Ubuntu a shot just some weeks ago.
Boy... how is this supposed to be called the most famous distro?
Sure, it installs pretty painlessly graphically and not like needing to wait half a day for Gentoo to comiple the entire desktop suits, which was good.
Now I reboot, happily goes into my own desktop. Ok, first, I want to watch a DVD... err, imcompatible file format? what?... ok fine... let me Google... ok, I found out Ubuntu keeps things cleanest as possible to avoid problems in certain countries which simply puts majority of people away by having these functions off by default, why can't Ubuntu let user answer couple of questions at install time... if the user lives in a place where s/he can watch DVD s/he owns on his/her computer (which sounds just damn straight nonsense to even question about), then install a DVD playable Totem or something or Goggles or Ogle or whatever.
Now I read through their documentation about enabling DVD... wow... I can't... It tells me to install couple of libraries, of one of them, I could, the other one, even adding that apt source, nope... What's going on? The package the doc says to install doesn't even exist!... Now, I'm more of the experienced Linux user than average Joe, but come on, I can't even do, then no average users can. Good luck really making Linux reach to end users. They don't edit sources.list by hand and type some magical apt-get line on unknown shell application, I'm sure.
Ok, don't blame I just complain without knowledge, because you're blaming every single average Linux trying users out there, because they will certainly have less patience and knowledge about Linux to get this done. If I can't do it in 5 minutes, 95% average users will give up.
Ok, I gave up DVD watching, now how can I listen to my flac collection? hmm can't even play mp3? although the files are already associated with some applications... my patience is up, good bye Ubuntu, hello Gentoo =)
Gentoo works if you know what you're doing, add some USE flags about DVD/flac, things work. Ubuntu otoh, is just simply broken for either side, average users won't get it, experienced users neither get it, unless only experienced in Ubuntu itself.
This is NOT Gentoo is better Ubuntu is worse claim. JUST pointing out Ubuntu didn't work, thus concluding that Ubuntu penetrating average users isn't coming too soon.
Now, just a few suggestions...
Ask users at the installation point whether they can install DVD players at the least... If average user thinks, Linux can't play DVD, can't play mp3, isn't what they're used to, then they won't come back for the next 5 years.
And why is it not Thunderbird but Evolution? Does that mean it targets business users? Come on... home users don't want a big fat all in one Evolution but easy working Thunderbird or Sylpheed... Also, people do install Linux on their lower end machines, because many don't just infiltrate their primary machine with unexperienced OS, so get lighter packages default please...
At least the good thing was Japanese fonts were preinstalled and did render web sites properly, though it wasn't my favourite font.
After all the hype about Ubuntu, I'm rather not stepping on it. Please at least fix the docs so experienced users at least feel like using it to make it reach end users. I'm all for hoping Linux to become the real alternative to other OS's, but I see it's not happening this year.
Since when did console shell had the ability to 'drag-n-drop'? Debian or Gentoo would certainly be in trouble to install their X to start with if they had to install everything 'drag-n-drop'.
That's the difference about Windows/Mac vs Linux, former always comes with a default GUI, Linux doesn't all the time, especially under server use, no X is even used.
Good point. Especially when I just wanted to use Draw from OO.o but since I have to download the whole package, though I can select what to install, it puts me away. And yes, it's hell bloated.
Did you realize, in order to replace MS office install, people want something similar... That's all there is. If someone developed office product from scratch, it won't be like OO.o, but OO.o, in the position to take over MS Office (more or less...), it has to be as good and has same functionality as MS office for current MS office user to even think about swapping. Do you think it's funny to see enployees find out their daily used office product suddenly becomes iWorks and their work will be on halt for a month because they have no idea how to use them, or rather complain to switch it back instead of learning it.
So, let Abiword and Koffice go how they want, after people get out of MS lockup, they will have many opportunity to pick from, just let OO.o do the job it is intended for.
- Privary : Yes you're right, people need to open up source for this to be trusted and with a good word that their stored files aren't accessed from anything but the open sourced program itself except for backup reasons.
- Reliability : When was the last time Google or CNN went down to be inaccessible? If you know what you're doing with good amount of cash to build the environment, it's not impossible. You can compare that with how many times people lose document for having to reboot Windows. Data aren't lost because average joe freaked up his Windows by using some warez. Sounds more reliable than storing them locally.
- Mobility : Certainly this is a problem, but how about giving download/upload option? Though this problem can't be fixed until there's cheap mobile phone internet connectivity avaiable.
- Responsiveness : Since when did Ajax run on server side? JavaScript and HTML run locally, so it's up to the developer to make how responsive the app will be, not technically limited.
- Capability : Let me guess, 99% office product users don't use anything but basic functions that existed in Office95, so why bother to take 10 times more development time to fill the 1% niche? While, Ajax apps are supposed to expose the access-anywhere capability than truely compete with desktop apps 1 on 1.
- Developement : You aren't good at Ajax developement? Why is it hard? It could be a new field, but it's not that hard, not exceptionally harder than any other programming area. Making NASA computer program sounds much more complicated to me when there are actually some people doing that.
And not just counter-responding, but some pros,
- Install : So... literally everyone has an access to a web browser, there you go, install nothing, just use it on any comp. You don't have admin privilege? so?
- Mobility : This is repeating the point but, you want to use same app on your work comp and home comp? Just use the same web address.
- Maintainability : Ok, you have 1000 comps to handle, how do you roll out ms office updates? Takes ages to do it properly... Web app... takes 0 seconds. Where are the MS Office CD sets? Web apps don't need to keep CD in the shelf.
'Pick right technology for the job'? Since when did we have such a luxury option? Use what's out there in the most broadest means, web browser, is the answer to next generation applications, or you can wait another decade for HTTP/2.0 when you feel like making applications on web.
Right, PS3 are already circulating around auction web sites, of which Yahoo Auction has the biggest user in Japan and is already making deals for over $1500 an unit...
Besides, there are some Chinese group of people who just line up in front of shops and take half the units sold in that shop and sells out.
4. Why doesn't it have any more function than a default Wordpad has? 5. Does it ever go about supporting foreign languages that can write from top to bottom? 6. When can I choose my Japanese font in the document? 7. When does it become stable so, suddenly it won't start telling me, 'some changes you made were in offline mode, reconnecting to server' or somehow going through 'edit html' and going back to document won't delete my entire document? 8. Does interface become any more responsive? I feel like using 10 year old computer with it, wonder if it's worth switching from current solutions. 9. By using multiple browsers on same account, it looks like both of the browsers get the same spreadsheet updated real time, but what if someone got ahold of my password? They will be able to keep and keep looking at how I edit the document for the entire time. I don't think it's cooler than worse. 10. Is this supposed to replace MS Office or just another try to increase the amount of so called 'Office' products? (like koffice, iWork, whatever you name it in your platform)
If you have a second to think what one would think inside a jail, I'm sure he won't be able to continue writing code as if he had spare room in his mind to think about new logic and all.
Somehow unless some drug can have him forget his real life, i can't really say why one would even suggest someone to code when he is sent to jail of a murder of his own wife...
Japanese do not remember obfuscated number sequence that way. We set a 'hiragana' (Japanese alphabet) for each number that is taken from the first 'hiragana' from a number read literally.
For example, '1' is read as 'hitotsu' or 'ikko', so it can either be 'hi' or 'i' in Japanese alphabet and then you concatenate those hiragana to make it look like a sentence chosen from a few choices of hiragana each number represents.
The made up sentence does sound weird and hardly makes much meaning but it is just about as same as remembering a looooong poem, instead of what you have shown, which is done in a mathematical way without much relevency toward the phrases chosen and does tend to get longer.
it could be true that if you choose the right cpu optmization flag and do a complete source build of the system, you might get from 1% to 10% speed increase, but let's say if you want speed, choose which softwares to use. drop kde/gnome in place of xfce or fluxbox and it would feel way faster.
also, the good thing about using gentoo, if you dont install anything, there is nothing, which means, there will never be redandunt softwares, unless you specify, so your system bootup sequence will be considerably faster than that of say, fedora which probably has 5 or so daemons coming up which you dont care about.
oh and... use prelink if speed is what you're looking for. that is one magic.
just like the commenter that replied on that newsforge comment u refered to, you dont have to always get it updated. say if only the -rX part of X changed, it's some small change in the ebuild not from the upstream.
so, if you think its tedius to do one big compile everyday having a full blown desktop system, you should choose when to update, maybe set it to update only once a week automatically at 3am or something and it's not much of a burden.
Now this sounds like kids encouraging teachers to do what they need to do. You seem to like Linux as you try to put NetBSD developers in Linux instead of some BSD, which is never the universal conclusion and you failed to point out what's better at OpenBSD but about security saying 'the like', and it seems that you're just trying to move people out without really trying to understand their feelings.
'ok, your project was cool back in the days, but its poor now, we have this great things called Linux and other BSD, so, lets move on to those ones'.
Just for one time, make yourself feel like a NetBSD developer on your own who has been with it for over a decade. I wonder a sudden cheer from some guy would make you want to simply ditch his decade work and move on.
not that everyone can buy those equipment when they need alot of computational power... so i dont know why seti and the rest wants to buy those with some unknown budget they'll never want to shell out for replacement thats already running.
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Also, when simple browsing doesn't work, you don't really call this a so called 'BETA'.
I'd say, developer reference version, more than end user alpha version.
Multi lingual capability is totally dropped since if a web page has Japanese font, nothing displays. Total blank.
Too bad Apple had to show the quality of 'BETA' this way... but it was just too early, but I guess WWDC can't wait.
Let's hope the transition of CPU made game devs to easily port games than before.
As well as you can also hope that recent virtualization might bring tons of games to Mac if one owns Windows too to run them in virtual machine at playable efficiency.
So, it can be a time for a change than the old loop.
Sorry to make you less excited but VLC is far from being stable and sexy.
For one, under Mac OS X, VLC keeps crashing trying to watch DVD and trying to fast forward and what not, and DVD Player that comes with OS X is far more stable, only it does near to none buffering making network movie play almost impossible.
For two, the Windows version has stone age interface that somehow looks far less sexier than OS X version and don't blame just because it's Windows interface. It can still look as good considering iTunes and Safari can make them look similar to OS X's. And somehow Windows version has no overlay controller on full screen like OS X's does...
For three, when fast forwarding some videos, screen all becomes blured and colors all mixed for some seconds until it catches up to pick enough frames to render everything properly. This looks rather bad for a user's point of view when QuickTime and DVD player or WMP never makes such dirty rendering upon fast forwaring.
And all of these, has been there for literally ages... I've been trying to see the progress of VLC for years, everytime new version comes out, I get excited to see that it finally may become the life saver of media playing in multiple platforms, but I always see something more or less critical making me turn around back to OS specific media player, just because they basically have no QA team.
Maybe it works, maybe it's the last life saver, but it just can't be the primary video player for many reasons.
Since when did you trust george lucas?
> And yes, "what people want" matters.
Have we finally figured this out?... 95% users don't care if the app has source code downloads or not or if you can modify the source code or not, FOSS is all about dev's point of view, which MIGHT lead into user's environment, but not as much as what dev's want.
I agree. Having server handle all the load is silly, unless the server is a localhost but then it doesn't have to be web based.
The better is to use more of a local based system like SVG, but yet nothing beats the local graphic application when it comes to serious use. The best bet for web based graphic tool is some enhanced mspaint using svg or flash, which might have a tiny niche market being cross platform and all.
wheres the original texts? searching against the title of your post reveals nothing.
a great way to start missing the great applications... with closed mind.
Just one word, does Firefox need to install 20 extensions to make it comfortable?
At least if Firefox is much lighter (like, starts up in 1 second) and is as fast as Opera's rendering, then it is proper that it is a stripped down browser as a default layout. And then again, many many developers and just because the source is open in FOSS way never means the software is great too. And yes, IE, it's worse.
That's why I use IE wrappers (which usually has almost all of nice features built in) or Opera (nice features are mostly all built in too) or even Safari (which somehow has enough features, though apparently it lacks enough features to be complately comfortable).
All these times, a bunch of paid but reliable worker is better than million hobby programmers. Who is going to actually understand the source code in all those big FOSS projects? no one. no documents, no nothing with immature developers here and there.
After touching Linux for over 5 years and having had Gentoo on servers and on desktop couple of times, and tested out a dozen other distribution in the past years and using Linux daily on server operating, I just gave Ubuntu a shot just some weeks ago.
Boy... how is this supposed to be called the most famous distro?
Sure, it installs pretty painlessly graphically and not like needing to wait half a day for Gentoo to comiple the entire desktop suits, which was good.
Now I reboot, happily goes into my own desktop. Ok, first, I want to watch a DVD... err, imcompatible file format? what?... ok fine... let me Google... ok, I found out Ubuntu keeps things cleanest as possible to avoid problems in certain countries which simply puts majority of people away by having these functions off by default, why can't Ubuntu let user answer couple of questions at install time... if the user lives in a place where s/he can watch DVD s/he owns on his/her computer (which sounds just damn straight nonsense to even question about), then install a DVD playable Totem or something or Goggles or Ogle or whatever.
Now I read through their documentation about enabling DVD... wow... I can't... It tells me to install couple of libraries, of one of them, I could, the other one, even adding that apt source, nope... What's going on? The package the doc says to install doesn't even exist!... Now, I'm more of the experienced Linux user than average Joe, but come on, I can't even do, then no average users can. Good luck really making Linux reach to end users. They don't edit sources.list by hand and type some magical apt-get line on unknown shell application, I'm sure.
Ok, don't blame I just complain without knowledge, because you're blaming every single average Linux trying users out there, because they will certainly have less patience and knowledge about Linux to get this done. If I can't do it in 5 minutes, 95% average users will give up.
Ok, I gave up DVD watching, now how can I listen to my flac collection? hmm can't even play mp3? although the files are already associated with some applications... my patience is up, good bye Ubuntu, hello Gentoo =)
Gentoo works if you know what you're doing, add some USE flags about DVD/flac, things work. Ubuntu otoh, is just simply broken for either side, average users won't get it, experienced users neither get it, unless only experienced in Ubuntu itself.
This is NOT Gentoo is better Ubuntu is worse claim. JUST pointing out Ubuntu didn't work, thus concluding that Ubuntu penetrating average users isn't coming too soon.
Now, just a few suggestions...
Ask users at the installation point whether they can install DVD players at the least... If average user thinks, Linux can't play DVD, can't play mp3, isn't what they're used to, then they won't come back for the next 5 years.
And why is it not Thunderbird but Evolution? Does that mean it targets business users? Come on... home users don't want a big fat all in one Evolution but easy working Thunderbird or Sylpheed... Also, people do install Linux on their lower end machines, because many don't just infiltrate their primary machine with unexperienced OS, so get lighter packages default please...
At least the good thing was Japanese fonts were preinstalled and did render web sites properly, though it wasn't my favourite font.
After all the hype about Ubuntu, I'm rather not stepping on it. Please at least fix the docs so experienced users at least feel like using it to make it reach end users. I'm all for hoping Linux to become the real alternative to other OS's, but I see it's not happening this year.
> I strongly suspect ... ... ... ... ...
> iTunes is surely
> I haven't heard
> I would suspect
> AAC sounds better
You are talking in pretty much on your own first person perspective here.
Just like securities, if there aren't enough attention to that specific thing, it is less exposed to the public for good analysis.
Since when did console shell had the ability to 'drag-n-drop'?
Debian or Gentoo would certainly be in trouble to install their X to start with if they had to install everything 'drag-n-drop'.
That's the difference about Windows/Mac vs Linux, former always comes with a default GUI, Linux doesn't all the time, especially under server use, no X is even used.
Good point. Especially when I just wanted to use Draw from OO.o but since I have to download the whole package, though I can select what to install, it puts me away. And yes, it's hell bloated.
Did you realize, in order to replace MS office install, people want something similar... That's all there is. If someone developed office product from scratch, it won't be like OO.o, but OO.o, in the position to take over MS Office (more or less...), it has to be as good and has same functionality as MS office for current MS office user to even think about swapping. Do you think it's funny to see enployees find out their daily used office product suddenly becomes iWorks and their work will be on halt for a month because they have no idea how to use them, or rather complain to switch it back instead of learning it.
So, let Abiword and Koffice go how they want, after people get out of MS lockup, they will have many opportunity to pick from, just let OO.o do the job it is intended for.
- Privary : Yes you're right, people need to open up source for this to be trusted and with a good word that their stored files aren't accessed from anything but the open sourced program itself except for backup reasons.
- Reliability : When was the last time Google or CNN went down to be inaccessible? If you know what you're doing with good amount of cash to build the environment, it's not impossible. You can compare that with how many times people lose document for having to reboot Windows. Data aren't lost because average joe freaked up his Windows by using some warez. Sounds more reliable than storing them locally.
- Mobility : Certainly this is a problem, but how about giving download/upload option? Though this problem can't be fixed until there's cheap mobile phone internet connectivity avaiable.
- Responsiveness : Since when did Ajax run on server side? JavaScript and HTML run locally, so it's up to the developer to make how responsive the app will be, not technically limited.
- Capability : Let me guess, 99% office product users don't use anything but basic functions that existed in Office95, so why bother to take 10 times more development time to fill the 1% niche? While, Ajax apps are supposed to expose the access-anywhere capability than truely compete with desktop apps 1 on 1.
- Developement : You aren't good at Ajax developement? Why is it hard? It could be a new field, but it's not that hard, not exceptionally harder than any other programming area. Making NASA computer program sounds much more complicated to me when there are actually some people doing that.
And not just counter-responding, but some pros,
- Install : So... literally everyone has an access to a web browser, there you go, install nothing, just use it on any comp. You don't have admin privilege? so?
- Mobility : This is repeating the point but, you want to use same app on your work comp and home comp? Just use the same web address.
- Maintainability : Ok, you have 1000 comps to handle, how do you roll out ms office updates? Takes ages to do it properly... Web app... takes 0 seconds. Where are the MS Office CD sets? Web apps don't need to keep CD in the shelf.
'Pick right technology for the job'? Since when did we have such a luxury option? Use what's out there in the most broadest means, web browser, is the answer to next generation applications, or you can wait another decade for HTTP/2.0 when you feel like making applications on web.
Right, PS3 are already circulating around auction web sites, of which Yahoo Auction has the biggest user in Japan and is already making deals for over $1500 an unit...
Besides, there are some Chinese group of people who just line up in front of shops and take half the units sold in that shop and sells out.
4. Why doesn't it have any more function than a default Wordpad has?
5. Does it ever go about supporting foreign languages that can write from top to bottom?
6. When can I choose my Japanese font in the document?
7. When does it become stable so, suddenly it won't start telling me, 'some changes you made were in offline mode, reconnecting to server' or somehow going through 'edit html' and going back to document won't delete my entire document?
8. Does interface become any more responsive? I feel like using 10 year old computer with it, wonder if it's worth switching from current solutions.
9. By using multiple browsers on same account, it looks like both of the browsers get the same spreadsheet updated real time, but what if someone got ahold of my password? They will be able to keep and keep looking at how I edit the document for the entire time. I don't think it's cooler than worse.
10. Is this supposed to replace MS Office or just another try to increase the amount of so called 'Office' products? (like koffice, iWork, whatever you name it in your platform)
If you have a second to think what one would think inside a jail, I'm sure he won't be able to continue writing code as if he had spare room in his mind to think about new logic and all.
Somehow unless some drug can have him forget his real life, i can't really say why one would even suggest someone to code when he is sent to jail of a murder of his own wife...
Japanese do not remember obfuscated number sequence that way.
We set a 'hiragana' (Japanese alphabet) for each number that is taken from the first 'hiragana' from a number read literally.
For example, '1' is read as 'hitotsu' or 'ikko', so it can either be 'hi' or 'i' in Japanese alphabet and then you concatenate those hiragana to make it look like a sentence chosen from a few choices of hiragana each number represents.
The made up sentence does sound weird and hardly makes much meaning but it is just about as same as remembering a looooong poem, instead of what you have shown, which is done in a mathematical way without much relevency toward the phrases chosen and does tend to get longer.
it could be true that if you choose the right cpu optmization flag and do a complete source build of the system, you might get from 1% to 10% speed increase, but let's say if you want speed, choose which softwares to use. drop kde/gnome in place of xfce or fluxbox and it would feel way faster.
... use prelink if speed is what you're looking for. that is one magic.
also, the good thing about using gentoo, if you dont install anything, there is nothing, which means, there will never be redandunt softwares, unless you specify, so your system bootup sequence will be considerably faster than that of say, fedora which probably has 5 or so daemons coming up which you dont care about.
oh and
just like the commenter that replied on that newsforge comment u refered to, you dont have to always get it updated.
say if only the -rX part of X changed, it's some small change in the ebuild not from the upstream.
so, if you think its tedius to do one big compile everyday having a full blown desktop system, you should choose when to update, maybe set it to update only once a week automatically at 3am or something and it's not much of a burden.
but luckily enough we're still here to worry about it...
Now this sounds like kids encouraging teachers to do what they need to do.
You seem to like Linux as you try to put NetBSD developers in Linux instead of some BSD, which is never the universal conclusion and you failed to point out what's better at OpenBSD but about security saying 'the like', and it seems that you're just trying to move people out without really trying to understand their feelings.
'ok, your project was cool back in the days, but its poor now, we have this great things called Linux and other BSD, so, lets move on to those ones'.
Just for one time, make yourself feel like a NetBSD developer on your own who has been with it for over a decade. I wonder a sudden cheer from some guy would make you want to simply ditch his decade work and move on.
not that everyone can buy those equipment when they need alot of computational power...
so i dont know why seti and the rest wants to buy those with some unknown budget they'll never want to shell out for replacement thats already running.
He's apparently not asking for compile farm...
Author did fail to say what the purpose was, but here are some good starts.
Apache cluster
MySQL cluster (should also refer to mysql.com resources)
Ultra monkey, heartbeat and the like can make cluster as well.