They haven't destroyed it yet, though they'd like to get large parts of it
"Have they demanded that the laws of physics be re-written? "
Yes. In order to keep consistency with a universe less than 10,000 years old, they have claimed that the speed of light (among other constants) must be variable.
"...Invented a new way to describe chemical bonds?"
Nope. And that is they really telling part of their description. They have contributed nothing, merely tried to gainsay scientific claims that threaten the "inerrancy" of their central document.
"Researchers who are investigating theories that go against the whole global warming mantra are shutdown or dismissed as quacks. "
Umm, no. I haven't seen a lot of that in the US. Take Dr. William Gray for instance. He seems pretty sure that there is no global warming and he is regarded as one of the top atmospheric scientists in this country. Now, when a bunch of oil companies trot out *exploratory geologists* to claim that global warming is bunk, then they are (righly so in my mind) often dismissed.
"Doctors who fail to find links between cancer and power lines/cell phones/current evil invention are routinely ignored."
Huh? Ignored by the media maybe. But thats a problem with the media, not lefties (and though many reporters are realize that the owners and editors tend to be righties).
"How about faking evidence to support a theory? The left did that to show that "endangered" wildlife wasn't as prolific as it was. Indeed, a signifigant number of scientists admit to changing study results. Somehow I don't think it's because of all the crazy far-right folks out there. Or the far left people either."
Well I'd like to see a reference on that specific claim about wildlife. And the most significant number on the data changing study is due to pressure by their funding sources. Before that means anything pertinent in this discussion, you'd have to find out *who* the funding sources doing the pressuring are.
"But there are reasons why science is in decline. Such as falsifying data. Or the fact that most scientific papers are wrong. Why go into science to lie or screw up when you can get paid much much more to do the same a a marketing weenie?"
Hmmm, most scientific papers are wrong? Well of course. If you read that article fully, you would see that the man said that they were wrong in that they would never be replicated and verified. Anyone who takes just on scientific paper as proof on *anything* is an idiot. The foundation of science is replicatable result verified by multiple sources. But someone has to put out initial hypotheses and those are going to be shot down a *lot*. If you think that is a problem you seriously misunderstand how the process works.
Oh absolutely they killed innocent civilians. Not British because they couldn't get to England but take a look at the campaign against the Iroquois sometime. Ordered by George Washington to destroy as many villages (and the people in them) as possible.
Yes, absolutely I'd be averse. Because that deep penetrating package will almost certainly spew a lot of fallout which will be a problem for anyone (likely innocent anyones) for many miles downwind. Sheesh, think before you lob nukes please.
How has the Big Bang been experimentally tested?
Well for starters it predicted that there should be some form of residual radiation present in the universe. About 20 years later the CMB was found. The verifiable predictions do not necessarily involve recreating the big bang all over again, any more than determining arson involves burning down the building again.
I think the sale of alcohol is considered something of a special case. In fact, in many cases the owner of the store or restaurant is required not to sell to certain people. The underaged and the visibly intoxicated spring to mind.
Benefits shouldn't be accruing to the schoolboard. They should be accruing to the residents who are paying taxes to the schoolboard. Since the sale was only open to county resident's that's what the schoolboard was attempting to do. So they were fulfilling their mandate.
I agree with your statement but I think that it (and others) are missing the point of the debate. What we can say (and probably all that should be taught in schools) is:
1) There is physical and genetic change over time in living things.
2) Natural selection and random mutation certainly account for some of the change. This mechanism has been observed on very short time scales.
3) Other large scale changes have occured throughout the billion of years of earth's existance. The mechanisms for those changes have not been yet explained.
There, no issue of ID (because unlike the theory of evolution is has yet scientifically explained exactly nothing). Nor any teaching of things such as abiogenesis or rapid evolution to which we really don't know the answers.
I haven't analyzed many high school biology textbooks so I can't really say, but I'll bet that they generally don't try to answer the question of how life got started on earth. They might say something like "life arose" or "life appeared" some billions of years ago but shouldn't go into more detail than that because we don't know. So instead of bringing in a philosophical statement poorly dressed as a scientific theory just ignore that question. I have no problem with that. And as far as the speciation issue is concerned, while they may not have the exact mechanism worked out, the fact of speciation is not in doubt by almost any serious scientists.
If the ID'ers want to have their viewpoint taught as science, then they can go about it the same as anyone else: make it a verifiable scientific theory that best explains the facts at hand. If they can do that then they *will* change the viewpoint of all the leading scientists out there. But for now, it has no more place in science teaching than does cold fusion.
Ok, completely off-topic but...why the heck is New Caledonia 6th in the world in per capita military spending? Who are they afraid of? The Solomon Islanders?
The company I was with on 9/11 had a similar situation. It was in NYC about a block from the WTC. When we lost all access to our servers (and had *no* idea whether they still even existed) a frantic search went around for recent copies of the source tree on the laptops of certain people. It turned out I was the only one with the a copy of the source code for the group I was in (about 12 developers). I think some other parts of the source tree only existed in 2-3 month old copies. We really lucked out that there was no damage to our servers.
Eh, he's just summarily throwing out the whole idea of the intellectual commons because it is inconvenient to his philosophy. He backs it up by invoking an unknown "elsewhere" (I'd guess his living room with his three IP laywer friends) to try to dismiss an idea he can't successfully attack. Typical, and, as has been decided at exhaustive discussions elsewhere, people like him should simply be ignored.
is that on their company backgroung page they actually 'fess up to service problems and mistakes as their company grew. It's hard to imagine a company - even a startup - doing that in these current days.
And behind that are two patterns that look a little like diamonds. Probably nothing but maybe there was some frost heaving once upon a time. That can create hexagons in some area in the arctic. I think it might be associated with permafrost.
"The rovers are designed to trek up to 100 meters (about 110 yards or 328 feet) across the Martian surface each Martian day."
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission
So I don't think they are going to be traveling to anything too far away.
But I thinks that is why books, novels anyway, are so good. Think about it, is there only one story going on in your life right now? Probably there are several involving your job/school, your family, SO's, and perhaps any random interesting events into which you happen to blunder. Truly stripped down to the point LOTR would be a single movie that followed only the main ring quest itself. There would be no Aragorn as King subplot, no Aragorn/Arwen, (failed)redemption of Gollum, nor any other of the smaller subplots that ran all through the books and through parts of the movie. The Scouring of the Shire served to advance at least three, the failed redemption of Saruman, the oppurtunity for the hobbits of the Shire to win the right to control their own destiny and at the end it highlighted Frodo's sacrifice - the loss of his sense of home - in completing the ring quest. Admittedly those are all kind of subtle for a movie, so its not surprising it was cut.
In Pennsylvania they seem to have two sets of crews: one to close off the lanes to be worked on and another, who show up days or weeks later, to actually do the work. So we end up with all of the vast stretches of single lane freeway where no work is being done. Irritating beyond belief.
The problem is that the entertainment industry is using dropping revenue as proof that they need to implement tighter controls to prevent file sharing. So any boycott may be backfiring!
I don't think that holds legal water in 100% of the cases. If you don't like black people or women or Jews or XXXX you can't just decide to refuse service to them all.
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Better than the eats at the House of Lies and Shrubs.
They haven't destroyed it yet, though they'd like to get large parts of it "Have they demanded that the laws of physics be re-written? " Yes. In order to keep consistency with a universe less than 10,000 years old, they have claimed that the speed of light (among other constants) must be variable. "...Invented a new way to describe chemical bonds?" Nope. And that is they really telling part of their description. They have contributed nothing, merely tried to gainsay scientific claims that threaten the "inerrancy" of their central document.
I don't think I could be upset by anyone who screamed at me how "write" he was.
Ok, where to start....
"Researchers who are investigating theories that go against the whole global warming mantra are shutdown or dismissed as quacks. "
Umm, no. I haven't seen a lot of that in the US. Take Dr. William Gray for instance. He seems pretty sure that there is no global warming and he is regarded as one of the top atmospheric scientists in this country. Now, when a bunch of oil companies trot out *exploratory geologists* to claim that global warming is bunk, then they are (righly so in my mind) often dismissed.
"Doctors who fail to find links between cancer and power lines/cell phones/current evil invention are routinely ignored."
Huh? Ignored by the media maybe. But thats a problem with the media, not lefties (and though many reporters are realize that the owners and editors tend to be righties).
"How about faking evidence to support a theory? The left did that to show that "endangered" wildlife wasn't as prolific as it was. Indeed, a signifigant number of scientists admit to changing study results. Somehow I don't think it's because of all the crazy far-right folks out there. Or the far left people either."
Well I'd like to see a reference on that specific claim about wildlife. And the most significant number on the data changing study is due to pressure by their funding sources. Before that means anything pertinent in this discussion, you'd have to find out *who* the funding sources doing the pressuring are.
"But there are reasons why science is in decline. Such as falsifying data. Or the fact that most scientific papers are wrong. Why go into science to lie or screw up when you can get paid much much more to do the same a a marketing weenie?"
Hmmm, most scientific papers are wrong? Well of course. If you read that article fully, you would see that the man said that they were wrong in that they would never be replicated and verified. Anyone who takes just on scientific paper as proof on *anything* is an idiot. The foundation of science is replicatable result verified by multiple sources. But someone has to put out initial hypotheses and those are going to be shot down a *lot*. If you think that is a problem you seriously misunderstand how the process works.
Oh absolutely they killed innocent civilians. Not British because they couldn't get to England but take a look at the campaign against the Iroquois sometime. Ordered by George Washington to destroy as many villages (and the people in them) as possible.
Yes, absolutely I'd be averse. Because that deep penetrating package will almost certainly spew a lot of fallout which will be a problem for anyone (likely innocent anyones) for many miles downwind. Sheesh, think before you lob nukes please.
How has the Big Bang been experimentally tested? Well for starters it predicted that there should be some form of residual radiation present in the universe. About 20 years later the CMB was found. The verifiable predictions do not necessarily involve recreating the big bang all over again, any more than determining arson involves burning down the building again.
I think the sale of alcohol is considered something of a special case. In fact, in many cases the owner of the store or restaurant is required not to sell to certain people. The underaged and the visibly intoxicated spring to mind.
Benefits shouldn't be accruing to the schoolboard. They should be accruing to the residents who are paying taxes to the schoolboard. Since the sale was only open to county resident's that's what the schoolboard was attempting to do. So they were fulfilling their mandate.
I agree with your statement but I think that it (and others) are missing the point of the debate. What we can say (and probably all that should be taught in schools) is: 1) There is physical and genetic change over time in living things. 2) Natural selection and random mutation certainly account for some of the change. This mechanism has been observed on very short time scales. 3) Other large scale changes have occured throughout the billion of years of earth's existance. The mechanisms for those changes have not been yet explained. There, no issue of ID (because unlike the theory of evolution is has yet scientifically explained exactly nothing). Nor any teaching of things such as abiogenesis or rapid evolution to which we really don't know the answers.
Lunatics aside, you can't rule out the possibility of *no* creator, if you do your theology is in the way.
I haven't analyzed many high school biology textbooks so I can't really say, but I'll bet that they generally don't try to answer the question of how life got started on earth. They might say something like "life arose" or "life appeared" some billions of years ago but shouldn't go into more detail than that because we don't know. So instead of bringing in a philosophical statement poorly dressed as a scientific theory just ignore that question. I have no problem with that. And as far as the speciation issue is concerned, while they may not have the exact mechanism worked out, the fact of speciation is not in doubt by almost any serious scientists. If the ID'ers want to have their viewpoint taught as science, then they can go about it the same as anyone else: make it a verifiable scientific theory that best explains the facts at hand. If they can do that then they *will* change the viewpoint of all the leading scientists out there. But for now, it has no more place in science teaching than does cold fusion.
Ok, completely off-topic but...why the heck is New Caledonia 6th in the world in per capita military spending? Who are they afraid of? The Solomon Islanders?
The company I was with on 9/11 had a similar situation. It was in NYC about a block from the WTC. When we lost all access to our servers (and had *no* idea whether they still even existed) a frantic search went around for recent copies of the source tree on the laptops of certain people. It turned out I was the only one with the a copy of the source code for the group I was in (about 12 developers). I think some other parts of the source tree only existed in 2-3 month old copies. We really lucked out that there was no damage to our servers.
Eh, he's just summarily throwing out the whole idea of the intellectual commons because it is inconvenient to his philosophy. He backs it up by invoking an unknown "elsewhere" (I'd guess his living room with his three IP laywer friends) to try to dismiss an idea he can't successfully attack. Typical, and, as has been decided at exhaustive discussions elsewhere, people like him should simply be ignored.
is that on their company backgroung page they actually 'fess up to service problems and mistakes as their company grew. It's hard to imagine a company - even a startup - doing that in these current days.
And behind that are two patterns that look a little like diamonds. Probably nothing but maybe there was some frost heaving once upon a time. That can create hexagons in some area in the arctic. I think it might be associated with permafrost.
"The rovers are designed to trek up to 100 meters (about 110 yards or 328 feet) across the Martian surface each Martian day." http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission So I don't think they are going to be traveling to anything too far away.
Nor will it stop the sludgos from mis-using it to continue pouring crap into the air.
But I thinks that is why books, novels anyway, are so good. Think about it, is there only one story going on in your life right now? Probably there are several involving your job/school, your family, SO's, and perhaps any random interesting events into which you happen to blunder. Truly stripped down to the point LOTR would be a single movie that followed only the main ring quest itself. There would be no Aragorn as King subplot, no Aragorn/Arwen, (failed)redemption of Gollum, nor any other of the smaller subplots that ran all through the books and through parts of the movie. The Scouring of the Shire served to advance at least three, the failed redemption of Saruman, the oppurtunity for the hobbits of the Shire to win the right to control their own destiny and at the end it highlighted Frodo's sacrifice - the loss of his sense of home - in completing the ring quest. Admittedly those are all kind of subtle for a movie, so its not surprising it was cut.
In Pennsylvania they seem to have two sets of crews: one to close off the lanes to be worked on and another, who show up days or weeks later, to actually do the work. So we end up with all of the vast stretches of single lane freeway where no work is being done. Irritating beyond belief.
You get lots of armor rumbling past your house do you? TOWs are anti-tank missiles, I think you want a Stinger.
The problem is that the entertainment industry is using dropping revenue as proof that they need to implement tighter controls to prevent file sharing. So any boycott may be backfiring!
I don't think that holds legal water in 100% of the cases. If you don't like black people or women or Jews or XXXX you can't just decide to refuse service to them all.
Unless, of course, your company has directed you to fly overseas (and get there in less than 2 weeks)