Want to run a mail server? Get a commercial account - don't expect to be able to do everything IBM can do for $9.95/month.
Why not? There's nothing restricting this technically, other than the bandwidth available to me and IBM. As far as services go, I certainly can offer anything IBM can put online, assuming I'm smart enough.
Since individual users ("the great unwashed") can't/won't/aren't capable of being responsible for their own systems - keeping them clean, etc - the ISP has to do it.
Individual users can spam you with viruses whether or not port 25 is open, so your suggested solution is bollocks. There are some ISP's that will kill your port 25 access if you've got an open relay, but there are a lot of us out there that not only run mail servers from home internet connections with dynamic IP addresses, but we do it much better than some large corporations with so-called "business accounts."
You're obviously not capable of doing it yourself, but there are a lot of us that are perfectly responsible with our mail servers. I don't need the ISP to limit my access just because someone like you isn't bright enough to handle the responsibility.
So just because port 25 happens to be there, why is it any different if your ISP charges you extra (requiring you to pay business rates, for a business account) for something that NO SINGLE INDIVIDUAL NEEDS, and actually increases the expences for the ISP in question? (monitoring, getitng themselves removed form blacklists becase of some jerk who really *can't* figure out sendmail.cf, and dealing with the increased supports costs from OTHER users, bitching because all their mail gets bounced)?
Wow, this is wrong on so many levels. It appears that you don't understand how the internet works. ISPs get put on blacklists usually because they actively support spammers. Sure, there are some screwed-up blacklists that ban ISPs for ludicrous reasons, but that's the nature of the blacklist community and is a problem with the blacklists, not the ports that are available to users. ISPs should be monitoring their networks anyway, so I don't see that as an increased cost.
But my biggest beef here is that you make the blanket assumption that no single user need their own mail server. Says you? I use my own mail server for many many things, not the least of which is domain name support so I can keep the same e-mail address forever, ease of access to my e-mail through POP3 so I can fetch it on my Treo, customized mailing list support for the various organizations I'm involved with, multiple e-mail addresses on a whim, and of course the flexibility in configuration of my own server. All this I can do on my own little server and I don't have to pay anyone to host it for me. I have the skills, who are you to deny me the ability to do this since the technolgy is there?
You know, I'll bet you don't mind paying extra for touch-tone service on your telephone, do you? This is the same idea, having the ISP charge extra to provide a service that doesn't require any additional technology on their part. If this were a generic technology that I could buy anywhere, I'd just say "whatever" and switch my ISP to one that didn't block ports if my current ISP started blocking. However, with internet service there is normally only one or two broadband providers in any particular area, limiting my "free market choices."
Hey, after they win this lawsuit and get the breakage and packaging deductions removed from online music sales, do you think they could then remove the touch-tone fee from my telephone bill? Thanks.
Reminds me of one of the developers I worked with many years ago. Out of the blue, he announces he is getting married. Nobody was really "tight" with this guy, so this wasn't all that shocking. However, he brought his new bride into the office a couple of weeks later, after the honeymoon. She wasn't all that attractive, to say the least. Anyhow, in casual conversation he takes it upon himself to mention that, "I know she's not the most attractive woman out there, but at least I know other men won't be tempted to steal her away."
This is a true story. So, keep dating those wallflowers and using those obscure O/S's, boys! It's SAFER that way!
Well, it's easy enough to avoid their marketing calls. Just say, "thanks, it's working fine" and hang-up. It's not like they're going to lock your account or anything like that. Don't ask questions of the marketing droid, go to OTN or MetaLink or many of the DBA sites on the net.
Oracle also went gestapo at my site as well (state government), insisting on licenses for development databases (right or wrong, they've never done that before). They insist on the same number of CPU licenses for *all options* purchased. In our case, we have a big RAC install with 36 CPUs, but we also have many other non-RAC systems, on the order of 100's of CPUs. Oracle insists we should purchase the same number of RAC modules as Enterprise Database CPUs. This would mean we would have to purchase 100's of RAC CPU licenses even though we only have one RAC cluster. Furthermore, they won't allow you to mix user-licenses with CPU licenses (it's either one or the other).
We have many, many database installs due to our prior arrangement with Oracle for a "site license" which meant that we paid for a named-user license for every employee (10's of thousands of users). Over the years, Oracle databases have been created willy-nilly across the enterprise. Since everything is going web-based now, Oracle won't talk to you about user-licensing for any database exposed to the net (potentially billions of named users - natch). For any web-exposed database, one can *only* purchase CPU licenses, so purchasing named-user licenses for internal use was not an option. Therefore, with all our little database servers throughout the enterprise, we were looking at a huge expense.
Beware Oracle licensing these days. Your milage may vary, but this is the new creedo, at least as far as my shop is concerned. We ended up negotiating all of this to something resembling reasonable, but it was a huge hassle and thankfully we have some leverage and a powerful CTO. Meanwhile, Postgress and yes, even MS SQL-Server databases are starting to become more prevalent around here.
*sigh* Care to explain what's so offensive about GLBT chatter on the public airwaves? If it's over-the-line sexual discussion, it should be banned outright regardless of the orientation. Isn't that what you really meant to say?
Regarding Steel and Magnetism - Note that your shiny new stainless steel refrigerator will not hold your kid's drawings with magnets. Damn! Didn't think of that when you were checking out the cool refrigerators at the store.
Good luck with that, Mr. Fascist moron. We've got your number and your days are short. It happens every generation or so, small-minded (let me guess, Christian) morons like yourself take over by playing to people's fears and working with the lowest common denominator. I know, you also feel like anything's ok as long as you win, right? Well, The People are catching on, little man. You and your brothers have finally crossed the line (like your type always does) and you'll get a nice reckoning with the next set of elections.
You've posted two responses to my original post and you have *yet* to offer any proof that the statistics I posted are bogus or not. You won't post any proof because you know they're true and you'll continue to prop up your various straw men so you can knock them down.
You sir, are a moron, a twit, and a tiny sniveling little mold upon society. Continue to suckle at the teats of your fear mongering overlords. Ignore the rich history of liberty and standing up against government oppression in this country and you'll fall away again just like your type always does. Real men aren't afraid of a few terrorists. Real men figure out what the problem is and fix it.
You're blinded by what I assume is your Christian religious beliefs and your innate desire to be "led" by any charismatic leader who presents simple examples and arguments that play to your own feelings of inadequacy and fears. I'd tell you to stand up and shake off those shackles of fear, but you're obviously too far gone and can no longer function without a hand-holding government who will "protect you" (see Katrina, see 9/11) while laughing about you behind your back. You're afraid or you wouldn't attempt the types of responses to the truth I present. You're small, you're weak, and you're nobody.
Disprove the statistics. Go ahead. Ask James Dobson what he thinks . Ask your little nitwit friends at your little pathetic goose-stepping right-wing blogs. You can't disprove the facts.
I don't want your protection if it means infringing upon our civil rights. As Larry Flynt said, I don't know why I have to fight so hard to protect your rights.
Tell me why my rights have to be infringed to protect against "another 9/11" (sigh) and not against the much bigger problem of Ibuprofen overdose. If you cannot come up with a rational argument to that, then don't bother responding, because I certainly won't.
Don't be a moron, moron. Since the point deceives your small-minded, fascist, intellect, let me state it to you bluntly: It's not worth it to me to give up my civil rights for false security in the name of protecting me from terrorists, which are practically no danger to me or my fellow citizens in this country, statistically speaking. There are significantly greater dangers to all of us than terrorists, by their very definition.
Nobody is suggesting doing away with common sense security, but tapping phones and capturing all communications in a dragnet, without warrant, is simply not justified. Empowering assholes like yourself who work for so-called Homeland Security to barge into a library and demand everyone stop looking at porn is not acceptable and is being made possible because of idiots like you, their fascist ideals and the power given over to these idiots in the name of "security."
Why not comment on the statistics posted rather than making up straw-man arguments?
Actually, you have a greater chance of dieing due to a non-prescription pain-killer overdose than suffering death or injury from a terrorist attack.
You're more likely to die by overdosing on non-perscription pain relievers like Advil or Motrin than in a terror attack by a factor of 24 to 1. (We had 7,600 deaths due to "Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin" in 2000.) Here's a handy chart.
If we count Oklahoma City and 9/11, plus the smaller terrorist attacks, we end up with something close to 3100 terror deaths in ten years. That's about 310 deaths by terror on US soil per year. By comparison, we lose about 400,000 people per year to tobacco, and 20,000 to homicide.
Skeptical? Want more info? Feel free to shoot this down if you can by reading the source of this analysis.
Difficult, but not impossible. In the Austin, Texas area, we have Grande Communications which is doing exactly that. They own all their fiber and offer services for much cheaper than the local baby bell and have integrated video, phone, internet.
Care to elaborate? You attacked the straw man, but you didn't back any of it up with facts or even an opinion on all the different examples AC used. Perhaps you are the one who is deluded?
It is clear that you don't know the difference between a mainstream Republican and a christian fundamentalist....
I'm an agnostic libertarian who votes Republican, does that make me a "fundy" as well?
The Republican party has been taken over by the Christian fundamentalists, so yes, it's extremely difficult to see the difference. In fact, if the so-called "mainstream" Republicans would start voting against the crazy fundies, it might make it a little more clear what the difference was. All I see is straight party-line votes again and again. Can you explain the difference between mainstream Republicans and Christian fundamentalists?
Just a small comment from the ether... take a dancing class. Get out and move around. There should be a group class available and they normally have the women rotate like every minute as they teach you to dance. Learn to dance, it'll take you about 3 months to get good, and the learning is fun, and then you can stay out all night dancing with strange new women every 3.5 minutes.
Just sayin'
Damnit... smart ass comment made me do my own darn Google search. Genesis was the mission and the parachutes didn't deploy so it smashed into the ground and the helicopters obviously couldn't catch it. Note the photos of the helicopters catching probes on training missions. I believe there was a sensor installed upside down. I read recently that the mission is considered a success though because the collectors were recoverable. There was some more recent news on this this week, I just can't find the link.
Oh well, so there I go, answering my own question.
Hey, weren't they supposed to catch this probe by helicopter as it parachuted down to Earth? Seems like I remember reading about that, but I'm not sure if this is the same mission...
Congratulations on your new Apple computer purchase! Since you're obviously new to the genre allow me to introduce you to the wonderful world of Apple OSX and Apple software. Usually, assuming you're persistent, get a friendly sales person or lucky, you can get a deep discount on upgrades if you purchased your software in the last 2 months. After that, you may as well go ahead and setup an account with Apple as you'll want to upgrade your software about every 6 months. These "upgrades" will be at the full price and there aren't any discounts available for any Apple products. Welcome to the Apple family!
4) It can carry a payload of 320,000 pounds in a detachable cargo bay measuring 150x40x15 feet (volume of 90,000 cubic feet).
Daaammnnn... you sure about all that? A 777 can only carry 5,720 cubic feet and it's a huge aircraft. Seems like 90,000 cubic feet is WAAAY too much. Perhaps you miscalculated somewhere? If not, holy-moses, that's hella cargo. Would revolutionize air cargo if they could make it work.
I assume the freight charges would be greater than ocean freight, but less than air freight at approximately 3X the time of air freight, which would be significantly faster than ocean freight. That would be a HUGE deal and allow ports to be built inland on cheap land, rather than at the ocean.
Well, I'm not sure exactly what it is you like to watch, but if you want to see young people voting, I suggest you observe somewhere other than at the nursing home. (not that there's anything wrong with that)
But I'd sure love to have an auto-pilot for the 25MPH rush hour commute, and for navigating in downtown traffic at low speeds. Just think of the boon to society if we could just jump in our auto-pilot vehicle from the bar and demand that it drive you 4 blocks away to the next bar.
On the other hand, there would probably be laws against riding in auto-piloted cars while intoxicated. RAPWI
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Best advice I've seen yet. Before you mod Parent Funny, go back and read the story again.
Want to run a mail server? Get a commercial account - don't expect to be able to do everything IBM can do for $9.95/month.
Why not? There's nothing restricting this technically, other than the bandwidth available to me and IBM. As far as services go, I certainly can offer anything IBM can put online, assuming I'm smart enough.
Since individual users ("the great unwashed") can't/won't/aren't capable of being responsible for their own systems - keeping them clean, etc - the ISP has to do it.
Individual users can spam you with viruses whether or not port 25 is open, so your suggested solution is bollocks. There are some ISP's that will kill your port 25 access if you've got an open relay, but there are a lot of us out there that not only run mail servers from home internet connections with dynamic IP addresses, but we do it much better than some large corporations with so-called "business accounts."
You're obviously not capable of doing it yourself, but there are a lot of us that are perfectly responsible with our mail servers. I don't need the ISP to limit my access just because someone like you isn't bright enough to handle the responsibility.
So just because port 25 happens to be there, why is it any different if your ISP charges you extra (requiring you to pay business rates, for a business account) for something that NO SINGLE INDIVIDUAL NEEDS, and actually increases the expences for the ISP in question? (monitoring, getitng themselves removed form blacklists becase of some jerk who really *can't* figure out sendmail.cf, and dealing with the increased supports costs from OTHER users, bitching because all their mail gets bounced)?
Wow, this is wrong on so many levels. It appears that you don't understand how the internet works. ISPs get put on blacklists usually because they actively support spammers. Sure, there are some screwed-up blacklists that ban ISPs for ludicrous reasons, but that's the nature of the blacklist community and is a problem with the blacklists, not the ports that are available to users. ISPs should be monitoring their networks anyway, so I don't see that as an increased cost.
But my biggest beef here is that you make the blanket assumption that no single user need their own mail server. Says you? I use my own mail server for many many things, not the least of which is domain name support so I can keep the same e-mail address forever, ease of access to my e-mail through POP3 so I can fetch it on my Treo, customized mailing list support for the various organizations I'm involved with, multiple e-mail addresses on a whim, and of course the flexibility in configuration of my own server. All this I can do on my own little server and I don't have to pay anyone to host it for me. I have the skills, who are you to deny me the ability to do this since the technolgy is there?
You know, I'll bet you don't mind paying extra for touch-tone service on your telephone, do you? This is the same idea, having the ISP charge extra to provide a service that doesn't require any additional technology on their part. If this were a generic technology that I could buy anywhere, I'd just say "whatever" and switch my ISP to one that didn't block ports if my current ISP started blocking. However, with internet service there is normally only one or two broadband providers in any particular area, limiting my "free market choices."
Hey, after they win this lawsuit and get the breakage and packaging deductions removed from online music sales, do you think they could then remove the touch-tone fee from my telephone bill? Thanks.
Wow. After that explanation I think I need a cigarette.
Reminds me of one of the developers I worked with many years ago. Out of the blue, he announces he is getting married. Nobody was really "tight" with this guy, so this wasn't all that shocking. However, he brought his new bride into the office a couple of weeks later, after the honeymoon. She wasn't all that attractive, to say the least. Anyhow, in casual conversation he takes it upon himself to mention that, "I know she's not the most attractive woman out there, but at least I know other men won't be tempted to steal her away."
This is a true story. So, keep dating those wallflowers and using those obscure O/S's, boys! It's SAFER that way!
Well, it's easy enough to avoid their marketing calls. Just say, "thanks, it's working fine" and hang-up. It's not like they're going to lock your account or anything like that. Don't ask questions of the marketing droid, go to OTN or MetaLink or many of the DBA sites on the net.
Oracle also went gestapo at my site as well (state government), insisting on licenses for development databases (right or wrong, they've never done that before). They insist on the same number of CPU licenses for *all options* purchased. In our case, we have a big RAC install with 36 CPUs, but we also have many other non-RAC systems, on the order of 100's of CPUs. Oracle insists we should purchase the same number of RAC modules as Enterprise Database CPUs. This would mean we would have to purchase 100's of RAC CPU licenses even though we only have one RAC cluster. Furthermore, they won't allow you to mix user-licenses with CPU licenses (it's either one or the other).
We have many, many database installs due to our prior arrangement with Oracle for a "site license" which meant that we paid for a named-user license for every employee (10's of thousands of users). Over the years, Oracle databases have been created willy-nilly across the enterprise. Since everything is going web-based now, Oracle won't talk to you about user-licensing for any database exposed to the net (potentially billions of named users - natch). For any web-exposed database, one can *only* purchase CPU licenses, so purchasing named-user licenses for internal use was not an option. Therefore, with all our little database servers throughout the enterprise, we were looking at a huge expense.
Beware Oracle licensing these days. Your milage may vary, but this is the new creedo, at least as far as my shop is concerned. We ended up negotiating all of this to something resembling reasonable, but it was a huge hassle and thankfully we have some leverage and a powerful CTO. Meanwhile, Postgress and yes, even MS SQL-Server databases are starting to become more prevalent around here.
Slashdot has a "girlfriend" tag?
*sigh* Care to explain what's so offensive about GLBT chatter on the public airwaves? If it's over-the-line sexual discussion, it should be banned outright regardless of the orientation. Isn't that what you really meant to say?
Regarding Steel and Magnetism - Note that your shiny new stainless steel refrigerator will not hold your kid's drawings with magnets. Damn! Didn't think of that when you were checking out the cool refrigerators at the store.
Good luck with that, Mr. Fascist moron. We've got your number and your days are short. It happens every generation or so, small-minded (let me guess, Christian) morons like yourself take over by playing to people's fears and working with the lowest common denominator. I know, you also feel like anything's ok as long as you win, right? Well, The People are catching on, little man. You and your brothers have finally crossed the line (like your type always does) and you'll get a nice reckoning with the next set of elections.
You've posted two responses to my original post and you have *yet* to offer any proof that the statistics I posted are bogus or not. You won't post any proof because you know they're true and you'll continue to prop up your various straw men so you can knock them down.
You sir, are a moron, a twit, and a tiny sniveling little mold upon society. Continue to suckle at the teats of your fear mongering overlords. Ignore the rich history of liberty and standing up against government oppression in this country and you'll fall away again just like your type always does. Real men aren't afraid of a few terrorists. Real men figure out what the problem is and fix it.
You're blinded by what I assume is your Christian religious beliefs and your innate desire to be "led" by any charismatic leader who presents simple examples and arguments that play to your own feelings of inadequacy and fears. I'd tell you to stand up and shake off those shackles of fear, but you're obviously too far gone and can no longer function without a hand-holding government who will "protect you" (see Katrina, see 9/11) while laughing about you behind your back. You're afraid or you wouldn't attempt the types of responses to the truth I present. You're small, you're weak, and you're nobody.
Disprove the statistics. Go ahead. Ask James Dobson what he thinks . Ask your little nitwit friends at your little pathetic goose-stepping right-wing blogs. You can't disprove the facts.
I don't want your protection if it means infringing upon our civil rights. As Larry Flynt said, I don't know why I have to fight so hard to protect your rights.
Tell me why my rights have to be infringed to protect against "another 9/11" (sigh) and not against the much bigger problem of Ibuprofen overdose. If you cannot come up with a rational argument to that, then don't bother responding, because I certainly won't.
Don't be a moron, moron. Since the point deceives your small-minded, fascist, intellect, let me state it to you bluntly: It's not worth it to me to give up my civil rights for false security in the name of protecting me from terrorists, which are practically no danger to me or my fellow citizens in this country, statistically speaking. There are significantly greater dangers to all of us than terrorists, by their very definition.
Nobody is suggesting doing away with common sense security, but tapping phones and capturing all communications in a dragnet, without warrant, is simply not justified. Empowering assholes like yourself who work for so-called Homeland Security to barge into a library and demand everyone stop looking at porn is not acceptable and is being made possible because of idiots like you, their fascist ideals and the power given over to these idiots in the name of "security."
Why not comment on the statistics posted rather than making up straw-man arguments?
Actually, you have a greater chance of dieing due to a non-prescription pain-killer overdose than suffering death or injury from a terrorist attack.
You're more likely to die by overdosing on non-perscription pain relievers like Advil or Motrin than in a terror attack by a factor of 24 to 1. (We had 7,600 deaths due to "Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin" in 2000.) Here's a handy chart.
If we count Oklahoma City and 9/11, plus the smaller terrorist attacks, we end up with something close to 3100 terror deaths in ten years. That's about 310 deaths by terror on US soil per year. By comparison, we lose about 400,000 people per year to tobacco, and 20,000 to homicide. Skeptical? Want more info? Feel free to shoot this down if you can by reading the source of this analysis.
Difficult, but not impossible. In the Austin, Texas area, we have Grande Communications which is doing exactly that. They own all their fiber and offer services for much cheaper than the local baby bell and have integrated video, phone, internet.
Linkage: Grande Communications
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Care to elaborate? You attacked the straw man, but you didn't back any of it up with facts or even an opinion on all the different examples AC used. Perhaps you are the one who is deluded?
It is clear that you don't know the difference between a mainstream Republican and a christian fundamentalist....
I'm an agnostic libertarian who votes Republican, does that make me a "fundy" as well?
The Republican party has been taken over by the Christian fundamentalists, so yes, it's extremely difficult to see the difference. In fact, if the so-called "mainstream" Republicans would start voting against the crazy fundies, it might make it a little more clear what the difference was. All I see is straight party-line votes again and again. Can you explain the difference between mainstream Republicans and Christian fundamentalists?
This is insane? Ummm, yeah, maybe.. but, ahh... how can I get signed up to be a part of this lawsuit? I been oppressed I tell ya!
Just a small comment from the ether... take a dancing class. Get out and move around. There should be a group class available and they normally have the women rotate like every minute as they teach you to dance. Learn to dance, it'll take you about 3 months to get good, and the learning is fun, and then you can stay out all night dancing with strange new women every 3.5 minutes. Just sayin'
Damnit... smart ass comment made me do my own darn Google search. Genesis was the mission and the parachutes didn't deploy so it smashed into the ground and the helicopters obviously couldn't catch it. Note the photos of the helicopters catching probes on training missions. I believe there was a sensor installed upside down. I read recently that the mission is considered a success though because the collectors were recoverable. There was some more recent news on this this week, I just can't find the link.
Oh well, so there I go, answering my own question.
Hey, weren't they supposed to catch this probe by helicopter as it parachuted down to Earth? Seems like I remember reading about that, but I'm not sure if this is the same mission...
Congratulations on your new Apple computer purchase! Since you're obviously new to the genre allow me to introduce you to the wonderful world of Apple OSX and Apple software. Usually, assuming you're persistent, get a friendly sales person or lucky, you can get a deep discount on upgrades if you purchased your software in the last 2 months. After that, you may as well go ahead and setup an account with Apple as you'll want to upgrade your software about every 6 months. These "upgrades" will be at the full price and there aren't any discounts available for any Apple products. Welcome to the Apple family!
4) It can carry a payload of 320,000 pounds in a detachable cargo bay measuring 150x40x15 feet (volume of 90,000 cubic feet).
Daaammnnn... you sure about all that? A 777 can only carry 5,720 cubic feet and it's a huge aircraft. Seems like 90,000 cubic feet is WAAAY too much. Perhaps you miscalculated somewhere? If not, holy-moses, that's hella cargo. Would revolutionize air cargo if they could make it work.
I assume the freight charges would be greater than ocean freight, but less than air freight at approximately 3X the time of air freight, which would be significantly faster than ocean freight. That would be a HUGE deal and allow ports to be built inland on cheap land, rather than at the ocean.
Well, I'm not sure exactly what it is you like to watch, but if you want to see young people voting, I suggest you observe somewhere other than at the nursing home. (not that there's anything wrong with that)
Yeah, man, but you *gotta* use it once per episode.
But I'd sure love to have an auto-pilot for the 25MPH rush hour commute, and for navigating in downtown traffic at low speeds. Just think of the boon to society if we could just jump in our auto-pilot vehicle from the bar and demand that it drive you 4 blocks away to the next bar.
On the other hand, there would probably be laws against riding in auto-piloted cars while intoxicated. RAPWI