Look, when I heard about the new EOL policy, I had no problems with it. If you want longer than a 12 mos cycle, run Advanced Server. I even recommended that my company switch infrastructure Linux systems to RHAS.
But $800/system/year? For _basic_ install support? For software only? WTF...that's ridiculous.
Also, there's no clause for development versus production systems. I have a website I manage...backend uses OpenLDAP on Red Hat boxen. So there's three boxes in the production, two more in our QA site, and one in development. At a minimum, that's five boxes. 5 X $800 = $4000/yr. Management would freak on that. It would honestly be cheaper for us to use Windows server and run on that, or probably even old Sun boxes.
My company is also a Linux ISV...but Red Hat had zero deals for us...we'd be better off certifying on SuSe or Debian.
They'll find a manufacturer to mass produce these...who wouldn't want a $300-400 automated bar? What about restaurants that sell alcohol but can't afford a decent bartender? No problem, buy one of these and a maintenance plan. Hell, they could even add drinks to the database via software updates. Sell different models with different capacities for ingredients...I bet it could really take off.
My experience is the opposite...doing push-ups with weak wrists led to carpel tunnel like symptoms. Now I always do push-ups with closed fists instead of the traditional palms down method. Doing this, and making sure my wrists are braced when lifting weights seemed to fix most of my issues. Also be sure to have good wrist rests for keyboard and mouse.
We've had issues with Cold Fusion but nothing like that. Course we run it almost entirely on Windows machines. There's another group in the company who run it on Solaris/iPlanet boxes, but I don't know what their success with it has been. Also, depends on the version...4.5, 5.0, MX? We're mostly 4.5, some 5.0, and just have one or two production sites on MX. My experiences with MX is it requires a much beefier box, and don't rely on the built-in mailserver for sending mail. Instead, I install IIS's SMTP service, then have CF send to that and let IIS relay the mail to our main mailservers. Of course YMMV.
For us, I'd say the after the initial adjustment period for getting used to CF MX, it's been very stable.
I was lucky enough to see one of the screenings Disney did at their El Capitan theater in Hollywood in Japanese with subtitles. I remember there was a HUGE line out the theater and there was a sign when we came out saying due to popular demand, they had added another subtitled show that night. Cool, huh? I don't give Disney any credit in this except they brought good anime to America and to a wider audience.
And I still can't get the music to the movie out of my head...Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away definitely rate on my all time favorites list.
Oh..my..gawd. Yes, please slashdot, tell us how to think. We're all to busy to have our own opinions and be anything more than sheep bleeting about our dismal fortunes and lack of respect.
Yo, grow some intelligence, dude.
I used JSPager, it's cool, but not as nice as GoScreen. More apps behave correctly with GoScreen. Plus GoScreen can be configured to have a very minmal screen presence...just a single strip of buttons with numbers. That's perfect for me!
Want multiple desktops? Then go get GoScreen (do a search on Google for it). It costs like $30 after a 30-day trial but is well worth it. Best $30 I've spent on a piece of software.
The problem with your argument is that you can scale your mail system up as much as you want...but what do you do about the other sites you're sending too? At work, we have redundant T-3's and 100BT uplinks to all our mail servers...our mail configuration isn't the best, but mail flows smoothly from box to box through the SMTP servers and into our Exchange site. It all works great...until someone sends a large (3-4 MB+) email to one of regional offices. Then the mail system grinds to a halt as one of the Exchange servers tries to push this fat email across a site connector that has maybe 128-384K bandwidth. Mail queues up waiting for the Exchange server on other servers, which cause other servers to back up, etc. Upgrade the bandwidth? Sure, no problem...if you have an unlimited IT budget. For the rest of us, slow links are an issue, and thus large emails are a problem.
Yay! Just in time for my birthday.:-) Actually, I'll probably wait a bit...just finished my upgrade to 3.1 STABLE. I wish every OS upgrade was as smooth...cvs update, compile, then do some diffs of etc. Nothing to it.
Classic Mac apps had some cool error messages. OS 7.6 had a crash that produced a "Bluets and Granola Bars!" error. OS 7.6.1 went one better with "Just figured out what BETA stands for". This is documented at MacVirus
Course I'm also partial to Amiga's "Guru Meditation error" or the Atari ST's cherry bombs (the number of cherry bombs indicated the severity of the error, leading one writer to comment that if you got six or seven (forget the number) bombs, your Atari might as well jump off the desk and hurl itself into the trash!)
Regarding Vi, what the hell are you talking about? Just install Vim from the Software Companion CD...it's got all the Gnu stuff you know and love. Or go sunfreeware.com. Then grab a decent terminal program...PuTTY is free and works quite well. Set your TERM type to something decent like ansi or vt100. And for bloody-sakes, don't use the arrow keys on a PC...h,j,k,l -- then tell me how you're having problems.
E-business screws consumer
Consumer posts experience on Internet
E-business sues everyone
Story makes front page of Slashdot
Site is/.ed almost immediately, looses a day's worth of business
???
Profit!:-)
Not to spawn an HP-UX war, but I actually like HP-UX. We're a Solaris shop, but we have all the flavors to some degree.
Solaris software management doesn't hold a candle to HP...HP's GUI software tools let me drill down, see exactly what files were installed, the versions, etc. And easily install or uninstall. Need to install a bunch of patches requiring reboots? No problem, just swcopy your way to a custom patch depot.
Or how about Ignite...we fought and fought Jumpstart...Ignite I had ready in a day. Piece of cake.
What about/sbin/sh? On HP-UX this includes nearly all the functionality of ksh, on Solaris, it's brain dead and so all our boxes have csh or ksh as root's default shell
I can go on and on...I'm always trying to use a command on Solaris only to go, "oh, that's right, I'm on the braindead Sun"...sure the HP boxen are plug-ugly compared to Sun boxen. I love Sun hardware, Sun support.:-) But what is it about Solaris that people like? Give me either HP-UX or FreeBSD/OpenBSD over Solaris and I can happily sing away at my work.:-)
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Look, when I heard about the new EOL policy, I had no problems with it. If you want longer than a 12 mos cycle, run Advanced Server. I even recommended that my company switch infrastructure Linux systems to RHAS.
But $800/system/year? For _basic_ install support? For software only? WTF...that's ridiculous.
Also, there's no clause for development versus production systems. I have a website I manage...backend uses OpenLDAP on Red Hat boxen. So there's three boxes in the production, two more in our QA site, and one in development. At a minimum, that's five boxes. 5 X $800 = $4000/yr. Management would freak on that. It would honestly be cheaper for us to use Windows server and run on that, or probably even old Sun boxes.
My company is also a Linux ISV...but Red Hat had zero deals for us...we'd be better off certifying on SuSe or Debian.
They'll find a manufacturer to mass produce these...who wouldn't want a $300-400 automated bar? What about restaurants that sell alcohol but can't afford a decent bartender? No problem, buy one of these and a maintenance plan. Hell, they could even add drinks to the database via software updates. Sell different models with different capacities for ingredients...I bet it could really take off.
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My experience is the opposite...doing push-ups with weak wrists led to carpel tunnel like symptoms. Now I always do push-ups with closed fists instead of the traditional palms down method. Doing this, and making sure my wrists are braced when lifting weights seemed to fix most of my issues. Also be sure to have good wrist rests for keyboard and mouse.
We've had issues with Cold Fusion but nothing like that. Course we run it almost entirely on Windows machines. There's another group in the company who run it on Solaris/iPlanet boxes, but I don't know what their success with it has been. Also, depends on the version...4.5, 5.0, MX? We're mostly 4.5, some 5.0, and just have one or two production sites on MX. My experiences with MX is it requires a much beefier box, and don't rely on the built-in mailserver for sending mail. Instead, I install IIS's SMTP service, then have CF send to that and let IIS relay the mail to our main mailservers. Of course YMMV. For us, I'd say the after the initial adjustment period for getting used to CF MX, it's been very stable.
As someone who works in a Cold Fusion shop, I can say this wouldn't be a good thing, despite all the "yay, kill Flash!" posts.
Cold Fusion is much, much easier to develop and deploy web apps for than ASP or JSP.
Microsoft should be happy with just being the number one software company...why do they need to rule the world too?
Um, what are you talking about?
User Store: OpenLDAP works for us for one authentication app. Or use NIS, same as Unix.
Clustering: see http://linux-ha.org. Failover clustering is definitely doable.
I was lucky enough to see one of the screenings Disney did at their El Capitan theater in Hollywood in Japanese with subtitles. I remember there was a HUGE line out the theater and there was a sign when we came out saying due to popular demand, they had added another subtitled show that night. Cool, huh? I don't give Disney any credit in this except they brought good anime to America and to a wider audience.
And I still can't get the music to the movie out of my head...Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away definitely rate on my all time favorites list.
XP has this with a free add-on from Microsoft, I believe.
Also:
JSPager: Free
GoScreen: $30 shareware, but more stable than JSPager
There's others...there's a version in Object Desktop by StarDock, I believe.
I use 6 desktops on my home box running Windows 2000 and 12 on my box at work, running 2000 Server. So you don't Longhorn for this.
Oh..my..gawd. Yes, please slashdot, tell us how to think. We're all to busy to have our own opinions and be anything more than sheep bleeting about our dismal fortunes and lack of respect. Yo, grow some intelligence, dude.
Yeah, but what's the reliability? 330 hours uptime? :-P
I used JSPager, it's cool, but not as nice as GoScreen. More apps behave correctly with GoScreen. Plus GoScreen can be configured to have a very minmal screen presence...just a single strip of buttons with numbers. That's perfect for me!
Want multiple desktops? Then go get GoScreen (do a search on Google for it). It costs like $30 after a 30-day trial but is well worth it. Best $30 I've spent on a piece of software.
The problem with your argument is that you can scale your mail system up as much as you want...but what do you do about the other sites you're sending too? At work, we have redundant T-3's and 100BT uplinks to all our mail servers...our mail configuration isn't the best, but mail flows smoothly from box to box through the SMTP servers and into our Exchange site. It all works great...until someone sends a large (3-4 MB+) email to one of regional offices. Then the mail system grinds to a halt as one of the Exchange servers tries to push this fat email across a site connector that has maybe 128-384K bandwidth. Mail queues up waiting for the Exchange server on other servers, which cause other servers to back up, etc. Upgrade the bandwidth? Sure, no problem...if you have an unlimited IT budget. For the rest of us, slow links are an issue, and thus large emails are a problem.
Yay! Just in time for my birthday. :-) Actually, I'll probably wait a bit...just finished my upgrade to 3.1 STABLE. I wish every OS upgrade was as smooth...cvs update, compile, then do some diffs of etc. Nothing to it.
SQL CALs are not included in the next version of the Enterprise Core CALs, BTW. Which will royally screw over some companies.
Classic Mac apps had some cool error messages. OS 7.6 had a crash that produced a "Bluets and Granola Bars!" error. OS 7.6.1 went one better with "Just figured out what BETA stands for". This is documented at MacVirus
Course I'm also partial to Amiga's "Guru Meditation error" or the Atari ST's cherry bombs (the number of cherry bombs indicated the severity of the error, leading one writer to comment that if you got six or seven (forget the number) bombs, your Atari might as well jump off the desk and hurl itself into the trash!)
Ouch...Poor Theo :-P
Regarding Vi, what the hell are you talking about? Just install Vim from the Software Companion CD...it's got all the Gnu stuff you know and love. Or go sunfreeware.com. Then grab a decent terminal program...PuTTY is free and works quite well. Set your TERM type to something decent like ansi or vt100. And for bloody-sakes, don't use the arrow keys on a PC...h,j,k,l -- then tell me how you're having problems.
E-business screws consumer /.ed almost immediately, looses a day's worth of business :-)
Consumer posts experience on Internet
E-business sues everyone
Story makes front page of Slashdot
Site is
???
Profit!
Um, no, that would hentai anime. If that's all you know, you don't have an f---ing clue.
Next caller...
- Solaris software management doesn't hold a candle to HP...HP's GUI software tools let me drill down, see exactly what files were installed, the versions, etc. And easily install or uninstall. Need to install a bunch of patches requiring reboots? No problem, just swcopy your way to a custom patch depot.
- Or how about Ignite...we fought and fought Jumpstart...Ignite I had ready in a day. Piece of cake.
- What about
/sbin/sh? On HP-UX this includes nearly all the functionality of ksh, on Solaris, it's brain dead and so all our boxes have csh or ksh as root's default shell
I can go on and on...I'm always trying to use a command on Solaris only to go, "oh, that's right, I'm on the braindead Sun"...sure the HP boxen are plug-ugly compared to Sun boxen. I love Sun hardware, Sun support.BTW, kudos to you...the website was slow when I checked it about 8 pm PST, but not hammered to oblivion. Here's to surviving /. Give yourself a toast
No :-P ...next caller please
PIX is Cisco's firewall product. If you don't know, then you shouldn't try this at home ;-)
Someone else mentioned the Freenet project which is working on the same thing...perhaps you should see about joining them