going to enforce something like this? When you get spam are they going to expect you to call your local Police department? (Thats what DCI told me to do back when I was consulting for a company that got hacked). My experience with that was less than satisfing. From what I've seen, most enforcement agencies do not have the knowledge to actually follow through with something like this. I'd kind of like to see an organization/department specifically aimed at enforcement of internet crimes. Federal or state? I'm not sure. I'd just like to see all these 'Spam laws' and whatnot enforced. Even the DMCA has fallen short of their words. How many police officers are going to spend the time to nail some kid with 200 MP3's? Thats right, not many, because most officers don't know enough about it to actually do anything. DMCA only applies to big companies like Napster, etc.. What about the people sitting on IRC distributing a gig of mp3s a day? Oh well. Maybe its better this way.
So how long will it be before someone hacks a linux player for the napster format? Bet it won't take long, and people will be trading the new files again =).
Before you had people buying CD's, ripping them, and distributing them. Now they simply subscribe to napster, [use elite linux tool to convert to mp3?] and redistribute them. Such a great plan!
I don't like the idea of some big freaking satellite bombing down on my apartment, so heres my input.
I like the idea of encryption. It will turn away most of the little script kiddies, but then again so does obscurity for the most part.
most crackers don't have access to a huge radio antenna with which to
transmit
Never Underestimate!!! I don't know much about RF communications with satellites, or how powerfull it has to be or whatnot, but I'm pretty sure if someone was determined enough, they could hack something togather. Or if they work at a radio station in a small town that goes off air at night. *shrugs* who knows.
Obscurity is a great thing in some cases, but I don't think it comes anywhere close to actuall good security. Then add confidentiality to it, and awesome physical security, and your in the right direction. Just my small view on it.
Just because Excell has like a bazzillion features (that most people don't use), doesn't mean its the best. The software has to match the job being done. The office I work at could get buy with what Gnumeric does. They don't require all the fancy bells and whistles that MS puts into Excell, so I don't see how its better, since in my case its like putting 50 pairs of clothes in your car when your only going to be gone for 2 days.
that in the future (50+ years) I'll be able to plug a jack into my head and download PDF manuals to my motherboards so that I won't have to go digging in my huge file cabinet anymore? Matrix style baby!
I didn't realize that cordless phones actually could dump that much interference. Think of the possibilities! You could drive around a town with wireless access, and using your cordless phone, effectively 'Drive by DoS'. Better yet, (the signal probably wouldn't be strong enough, but) hook a nice sized battery to a cordless telephone base, turn on the reciever, and you just DoS'ed everyone on that tower! Even if Encryption gets better on wireless, its gonna need to move its ass off of an open frequency to be trusted by me. After all, a 15 year old can carry around a cordless phone, but I really doubt their gonna randomly choose my phoneline to cut. Advantage dialup. heheh =)
RJ asks: "I would like to get some advice from others that may be going through the same situation I am. I am currently 19 and will be turning 20 in 1 week.
Correction, he is 19, not 20. That puts him at 14. Then again, you gotta consider the fact that most people don't say 'I have 4 years 43 days industrial experience.' Regardless, technically, he was 14.
Now that I've got that over. I started being a high tech bitchboy at a local repair shop when I was like 13 or so. I remember I had to walk to work because I wasn't even old enough to ride my moped. After that I worked at Iowa Mold and Tooling doing network administration. I worked there from 15-16 after school. Then the company shifted ownership, and the new owners canned me for some guy that got $70k/year. Oh well, atleast I'm doing better now than I would have ever done there.
What if your using this technology in other applications? For instance building information centers to sit in rest areas along the highway? I've got a project somewhat like this, but, alot of the things I'm trying to work out no one discusses. For instance, Monitors give off ALOT of heat, try putting that in a sealed enclosure! =P Anyways, I think all this over-clocking, water cooled, 15 fans and a monkey blowing in the case is cool and what not, but why don't we see very many hardware hackers out there playing with more than just CPU speed? Either way, I'd like to see people hacking monitors into cooler cases, or building star trek like keyboards. Then I'd be impressed.
target kids with this! You know they'd love that! But the plain and simple fact is you can't throw a 3 year old infront of a monitor and say 'Is that what you want'? Regardless, I'd still rather see my 3 year old's face when hes ripping off that paper and is like 'WHEEEEEE!'(Flash Animation), and you can't deny how funny it is when they realize its clothes and just throw it aside.
I knew a kid in high school that stumbled onto a permissions mistake or something along that lines, he backed up the html, threw up a defacement, and went 'Hahahaha'. A week later the FBI was trying to put the smackdown on him saying that 'By defacing the (Small, 200 customer) ISP's webpage he caused them $17,000 in business and damages'. So a small ISP like that loses $17,000 in business in 4 hours? Unlikely... So does that mean when someone DoS's my workstation and I can't access apache from home for more than 15 minutes I've lost $1062.50?
In the past, Microsoft has shrugged problems like this off extremely easy, great PR ya know. For some reason this one seams more severe to me. Will this one actually hurt MS on a larger scale? I'm doubting it, but I would like to see something rumble the giant. Wouldn't be funny if the companies product ended up ruining the company? WHEEE =)
I do believe Earthlink blocks access to other mail servers, meaning you use theirs, or the numberous webmails. I don't see that as 'real internet', but I guess its their ISP, they can do what they want.
Regardless, I wouldn't be caught dead on earthlink, they'd probably port scan my linux box and disconnect me for being a haxx0r! hheh, just like the port denial notices showed up from rconnect after Earthlink bought them out.
I live 'in the sticks' (Iowa). The city I work in only has 30,000 people. It somehow managed to nab @home while it still existed, 3 wireless providers, and 8 dialup ISPs (Including Earthlink via Buyout). I live in a town of 3,000, and next april the DSL goes live, and will start to annialte the 3 wireless providers there (what a waiste). One of which is Prarie Engery Cooperative.
Basically what they do is partner with all the power companies around here, and make deals to provide Dialup and Wireless. But somehow I don't see the math working out. They have 5 customers paying $50/month (ouch) for 128k, thats $250/month income. 128x5=1.5Mbit~. Obviously not everyone is on at the same time, so they probably are getting by with a 512K line, which in Norht Iowa is around $600 a month.
Another ISP is offering 3mbit wireless... they only have 2 T1's, which is 3mbit roughly, so how can they offer 3 mbit to each customer? Oh, thats right, beacause their equipment only tags up about a 600k throughput! Sad.
Anyway, I don't see how anyone can efficiently provide high speed access affordably in 'the sticks'
I've seen a few people saying 'Well, X-box isn't going to sell because its a Microsoft product' and I've heard a few say 'It WILL sell because it is microsoft' And when I was in the store last week shopping for my son, I realized something. Consumers usually don't really care about this, they care about price, because after all, they don't play it, their kids do. On top of this, kids could almost give a shit who its made by, just as long as mom and dad will buy it, their friends think its the shit, and the marketing is in the right direction. Its pretty obvious if you sit in a walmart this time of year and listen to all the little kiddies go, 'But brian has an X-box!!!!!' or 'I don't want that stupid X-box, brian has one and it sucks, I want a PS2!'
On the other hand, you have the older people that like to play them.. like myself. But thats a different story. =)
Linux is realtively new to this area, it was never their goal initially.
Linux had no 'initial goals'. When Linus 'initially' wrote it, it was for himself. And if you listen to his interviews, he plain out says that he is NOT competing with MS, nor does he really care about them.
I think its pretty funny sometimes. Linus creates an OS and gives it to the world. Suddenly thousands of people think that Linux's total reason for being is to destroy MS. Whatever..
Lets protect our product by making it less usefull, and still open to theft!
While the people ripping mp3s are still buying the cd's, the other 99% of the market will decrease slightly since you can't use them in anything! No wonder all these DotComs failed... they had the wrong business plan!
2 months ago when the local TV station did an interview with me about 'Cyber Terrorism and how it could effect local businesses', I figured it was under control quite well. I somehow doubt the story myself. But, if you think about it, this would be the ultimate in Cyber Terrorism. But obviously, wouldn't you think that their are a few people that set XP up on a network and packet sniffed for days just to prove something like that?
Then again.. Bin Laden managed to knock down two very large towers in a NY.. I'm not going to say he couldn't get past MS's security....
If it is someone attacking MS just to make them look bad.. well.. send them to Afgahnistan, and then we'll see how funny it is.
that if the 'Click here to remove yourself' is broken, and I go to the actuall site, and find out their address and yada yada I can take them to court for not compling completely with that FCC law that requires the 'click here to remove' to be at the bottom of the e-mail?
Also, I have root@ along with others for my 3 networks forwarded to my mailbox. Most of them have that page that says 'Put your e-mail in this box' to add you to 10 other lists...err.. I mean remove you from our list.. How am I supposed to do that when its to 'Undisclosed Recipients', and I have 50 addresses?
This is no good. Have the DVD chipset manufactures lost their faking minds? I will set aside the obvious security bashing (ie: Hasn't media player had a few security issues lately? WANT YOUR DVD PLAYER TO GET HACKED? THEN YOUR TV??!?!? THEN YOUR INTERNET READY MICROWAVE??!???), and say that even if MP codecs provide longer playback than traditional raw DVD data, so do other codecs. I'm not going to try and say 'Uh.. quicktime has even better compression!' because I'm not sure which codec really does the best, I just dont' know that much about them.
Bill, not EVERYONE hates you yet.... remember the yet part. Personally I think the open source community needs to get its ass in gear and start pushing their technology. I don't know as if it would have helped in this case, but what _could_ have happened if some open source codec happened to be presented to the DVD manufacturers before M$ got there? Of course M$ could have thrown them a sweet deal and stole it back. But not to discourage!
If OSS starts presenting itself more agressively (Not sourceforge, or OSDN, but the actually programmers), then maybe we can start to push the open source mentality and get software written by the people that use it on some of these nifty devices. Just my two cents.
I just realized something while reading this. The dal people usually despise the efnet peoples, and yes, the efnet peoples think dal peeps are a bunch of script kiddies. But my point isn't that. Does anyone remember 'the mentors last words'? Something like 'We exist without race, nationality, religeous bias...' Well, this doesn't exactly ring true anymore. Seems you can be discriminated against now because of what network you chat on. I guess times change.
Is apple actually going to attempt a huge come back? It seams like they haven't been doing much lately (as much as other manufacturers), but I know alot of./ readers use macs, our web developers use macs, and they love them. I even told my dad he should get a mac when he started light video editing. Whats the deal? Is Mac sneaking back into the market slowly so they can take everyone by surprise?
Why do people worry about buying these 'services'. I'm so sick of RIAA, MPAA, everyone. Instead of sitting here all day posting 'This will never work! DOWN WITH RIAA!!!' I've just turned on my radio. We got some really cool DJ's at the local station, they play good music, let them worry about copyright crap. And for the songs that I absolutely must have, I just download the MP3 on IRC. *Shrugs*
We put in 10,000 RPM drives. The improvement over 5400 was definately visable just in the operating system. But I'd say 7200 should make improvements even if you don't see them. And if the prices aren't that far apart, I'd just grab the faster (if its only a few bucks more). Just my 2 copper round thingies
Computers keep getting smaller and smaller. In 1980 our IBM Series 1 4779 ($50,000 at the time), was the size of a refridgerator, and alot damn heavier. 21 years later our production servers are in mid-sized towers. In 1980, the thought of someone walking out of the building with our series 1 was just a laught. Today, its still questionable if someone could sneak a mid-sized case past security (Uh, yeah, I'm pregnant, and they think he'll have a square head).
I've heard about server cubes already that are even smaller. Add onto that rack mount servers. Things are just getting smaller, which means they are easier to get out the door.
What happens when my server farm is the size of a test tube? Unlclip the 20 pin cable the gives it power, connects it to the network, and runs the perifrials, and shove it in your pocket?
Still somewhat difficult with great security. But no security is 100.0000000% perfect (Unplugged, in a cement block, under 200 ft of sand at the bottom of the pacific?). The only thing I could think of was to put one of those magnetic strips on it that the music stores (that I dont go to anymore) use? Metal detectors at the doors? DNA detectors?
Anyways, any of you have any idea's for physical security when our servers start getting small enough to throw in a cigarette pack (a few years off)?
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going to enforce something like this? When you get spam are they going to expect you to call your local Police department? (Thats what DCI told me to do back when I was consulting for a company that got hacked). My experience with that was less than satisfing. From what I've seen, most enforcement agencies do not have the knowledge to actually follow through with something like this. I'd kind of like to see an organization/department specifically aimed at enforcement of internet crimes. Federal or state? I'm not sure. I'd just like to see all these 'Spam laws' and whatnot enforced. Even the DMCA has fallen short of their words. How many police officers are going to spend the time to nail some kid with 200 MP3's? Thats right, not many, because most officers don't know enough about it to actually do anything. DMCA only applies to big companies like Napster, etc.. What about the people sitting on IRC distributing a gig of mp3s a day? Oh well. Maybe its better this way.
So how long will it be before someone hacks a linux player for the napster format? Bet it won't take long, and people will be trading the new files again =).
Before you had people buying CD's, ripping them, and distributing them. Now they simply subscribe to napster, [use elite linux tool to convert to mp3?] and redistribute them. Such a great plan!
I don't like the idea of some big freaking satellite bombing down on my apartment, so heres my input.
I like the idea of encryption. It will turn away most of the little script kiddies, but then again so does obscurity for the most part.
most crackers don't have access to a huge radio antenna with which to transmit
Never Underestimate!!! I don't know much about RF communications with satellites, or how powerfull it has to be or whatnot, but I'm pretty sure if someone was determined enough, they could hack something togather. Or if they work at a radio station in a small town that goes off air at night. *shrugs* who knows.
Obscurity is a great thing in some cases, but I don't think it comes anywhere close to actuall good security. Then add confidentiality to it, and awesome physical security, and your in the right direction.
Just my small view on it.
Just because Excell has like a bazzillion features (that most people don't use), doesn't mean its the best. The software has to match the job being done. The office I work at could get buy with what Gnumeric does. They don't require all the fancy bells and whistles that MS puts into Excell, so I don't see how its better, since in my case its like putting 50 pairs of clothes in your car when your only going to be gone for 2 days.
Oh great.. So I'm gonna have hardware..eerrr brainware compatibility issues with my 50 terabyte firewire implant?
that in the future (50+ years) I'll be able to plug a jack into my head and download PDF manuals to my motherboards so that I won't have to go digging in my huge file cabinet anymore? Matrix style baby!
I can't wait to have a USB jack in my head! heheh
I didn't realize that cordless phones actually could dump that much interference. Think of the possibilities! You could drive around a town with wireless access, and using your cordless phone, effectively 'Drive by DoS'. Better yet, (the signal probably wouldn't be strong enough, but) hook a nice sized battery to a cordless telephone base, turn on the reciever, and you just DoS'ed everyone on that tower! Even if Encryption gets better on wireless, its gonna need to move its ass off of an open frequency to be trusted by me. After all, a 15 year old can carry around a cordless phone, but I really doubt their gonna randomly choose my phoneline to cut. Advantage dialup. heheh =)
The poster of the story is now 20
RTFP
RJ asks: "I would like to get some advice from others that may be going through the same situation I am. I am currently 19 and will be turning 20 in 1 week.
Correction, he is 19, not 20. That puts him at 14. Then again, you gotta consider the fact that most people don't say 'I have 4 years 43 days industrial experience.' Regardless, technically, he was 14.
Now that I've got that over. I started being a high tech bitchboy at a local repair shop when I was like 13 or so. I remember I had to walk to work because I wasn't even old enough to ride my moped. After that I worked at Iowa Mold and Tooling doing network administration. I worked there from 15-16 after school. Then the company shifted ownership, and the new owners canned me for some guy that got $70k/year. Oh well, atleast I'm doing better now than I would have ever done there.
What if your using this technology in other applications? For instance building information centers to sit in rest areas along the highway? I've got a project somewhat like this, but, alot of the things I'm trying to work out no one discusses. For instance, Monitors give off ALOT of heat, try putting that in a sealed enclosure! =P Anyways, I think all this over-clocking, water cooled, 15 fans and a monkey blowing in the case is cool and what not, but why don't we see very many hardware hackers out there playing with more than just CPU speed? Either way, I'd like to see people hacking monitors into cooler cases, or building star trek like keyboards. Then I'd be impressed.
target kids with this! You know they'd love that! But the plain and simple fact is you can't throw a 3 year old infront of a monitor and say 'Is that what you want'? Regardless, I'd still rather see my 3 year old's face when hes ripping off that paper and is like 'WHEEEEEE!'(Flash Animation), and you can't deny how funny it is when they realize its clothes and just throw it aside.
I knew a kid in high school that stumbled onto a permissions mistake or something along that lines, he backed up the html, threw up a defacement, and went 'Hahahaha'. A week later the FBI was trying to put the smackdown on him saying that 'By defacing the (Small, 200 customer) ISP's webpage he caused them $17,000 in business and damages'. So a small ISP like that loses $17,000 in business in 4 hours? Unlikely... So does that mean when someone DoS's my workstation and I can't access apache from home for more than 15 minutes I've lost $1062.50?
In the past, Microsoft has shrugged problems like this off extremely easy, great PR ya know. For some reason this one seams more severe to me. Will this one actually hurt MS on a larger scale? I'm doubting it, but I would like to see something rumble the giant. Wouldn't be funny if the companies product ended up ruining the company? WHEEE =)
I do believe Earthlink blocks access to other mail servers, meaning you use theirs, or the numberous webmails. I don't see that as 'real internet', but I guess its their ISP, they can do what they want.
Regardless, I wouldn't be caught dead on earthlink, they'd probably port scan my linux box and disconnect me for being a haxx0r! hheh, just like the port denial notices showed up from rconnect after Earthlink bought them out.
I live 'in the sticks' (Iowa). The city I work in only has 30,000 people. It somehow managed to nab @home while it still existed, 3 wireless providers, and 8 dialup ISPs (Including Earthlink via Buyout). I live in a town of 3,000, and next april the DSL goes live, and will start to annialte the 3 wireless providers there (what a waiste). One of which is Prarie Engery Cooperative.
Basically what they do is partner with all the power companies around here, and make deals to provide Dialup and Wireless. But somehow I don't see the math working out. They have 5 customers paying $50/month (ouch) for 128k, thats $250/month income. 128x5=1.5Mbit~. Obviously not everyone is on at the same time, so they probably are getting by with a 512K line, which in Norht Iowa is around $600 a month.
Another ISP is offering 3mbit wireless... they only have 2 T1's, which is 3mbit roughly, so how can they offer 3 mbit to each customer? Oh, thats right, beacause their equipment only tags up about a 600k throughput! Sad.
Anyway, I don't see how anyone can efficiently provide high speed access affordably in 'the sticks'
I've seen a few people saying 'Well, X-box isn't going to sell because its a Microsoft product' and I've heard a few say 'It WILL sell because it is microsoft' And when I was in the store last week shopping for my son, I realized something. Consumers usually don't really care about this, they care about price, because after all, they don't play it, their kids do. On top of this, kids could almost give a shit who its made by, just as long as mom and dad will buy it, their friends think its the shit, and the marketing is in the right direction. Its pretty obvious if you sit in a walmart this time of year and listen to all the little kiddies go, 'But brian has an X-box!!!!!' or 'I don't want that stupid X-box, brian has one and it sucks, I want a PS2!'
On the other hand, you have the older people that like to play them.. like myself. But thats a different story. =)
Linux is realtively new to this area, it was never their goal initially.
Linux had no 'initial goals'. When Linus 'initially' wrote it, it was for himself. And if you listen to his interviews, he plain out says that he is NOT competing with MS, nor does he really care about them.
I think its pretty funny sometimes. Linus creates an OS and gives it to the world. Suddenly thousands of people think that Linux's total reason for being is to destroy MS. Whatever..
Lets protect our product by making it less usefull, and still open to theft!
While the people ripping mp3s are still buying the cd's, the other 99% of the market will decrease slightly since you can't use them in anything! No wonder all these DotComs failed... they had the wrong business plan!
2 months ago when the local TV station did an interview with me about 'Cyber Terrorism and how it could effect local businesses', I figured it was under control quite well. I somehow doubt the story myself. But, if you think about it, this would be the ultimate in Cyber Terrorism. But obviously, wouldn't you think that their are a few people that set XP up on a network and packet sniffed for days just to prove something like that?
Then again.. Bin Laden managed to knock down two very large towers in a NY.. I'm not going to say he couldn't get past MS's security....
If it is someone attacking MS just to make them look bad.. well.. send them to Afgahnistan, and then we'll see how funny it is.
that if the 'Click here to remove yourself' is broken, and I go to the actuall site, and find out their address and yada yada I can take them to court for not compling completely with that FCC law that requires the 'click here to remove' to be at the bottom of the e-mail?
Also, I have root@ along with others for my 3 networks forwarded to my mailbox. Most of them have that page that says 'Put your e-mail in this box' to add you to 10 other lists...err.. I mean remove you from our list.. How am I supposed to do that when its to 'Undisclosed Recipients', and I have 50 addresses?
This is no good. Have the DVD chipset manufactures lost their faking minds? I will set aside the obvious security bashing (ie: Hasn't media player had a few security issues lately? WANT YOUR DVD PLAYER TO GET HACKED? THEN YOUR TV??!?!? THEN YOUR INTERNET READY MICROWAVE??!???), and say that even if MP codecs provide longer playback than traditional raw DVD data, so do other codecs. I'm not going to try and say 'Uh.. quicktime has even better compression!' because I'm not sure which codec really does the best, I just dont' know that much about them.
Bill, not EVERYONE hates you yet.... remember the yet part. Personally I think the open source community needs to get its ass in gear and start pushing their technology. I don't know as if it would have helped in this case, but what _could_ have happened if some open source codec happened to be presented to the DVD manufacturers before M$ got there? Of course M$ could have thrown them a sweet deal and stole it back. But not to discourage!
If OSS starts presenting itself more agressively (Not sourceforge, or OSDN, but the actually programmers), then maybe we can start to push the open source mentality and get software written by the people that use it on some of these nifty devices. Just my two cents.
I just realized something while reading this. The dal people usually despise the efnet peoples, and yes, the efnet peoples think dal peeps are a bunch of script kiddies. But my point isn't that. Does anyone remember 'the mentors last words'? Something like 'We exist without race, nationality, religeous bias...' Well, this doesn't exactly ring true anymore. Seems you can be discriminated against now because of what network you chat on. I guess times change.
Is apple actually going to attempt a huge come back? It seams like they haven't been doing much lately (as much as other manufacturers), but I know alot of ./ readers use macs, our web developers use macs, and they love them. I even told my dad he should get a mac when he started light video editing. Whats the deal? Is Mac sneaking back into the market slowly so they can take everyone by surprise?
Why do people worry about buying these 'services'. I'm so sick of RIAA, MPAA, everyone. Instead of sitting here all day posting 'This will never work! DOWN WITH RIAA!!!' I've just turned on my radio. We got some really cool DJ's at the local station, they play good music, let them worry about copyright crap. And for the songs that I absolutely must have, I just download the MP3 on IRC. *Shrugs*
We put in 10,000 RPM drives. The improvement over 5400 was definately visable just in the operating system. But I'd say 7200 should make improvements even if you don't see them. And if the prices aren't that far apart, I'd just grab the faster (if its only a few bucks more). Just my 2 copper round thingies
Computers keep getting smaller and smaller. In 1980 our IBM Series 1 4779 ($50,000 at the time), was the size of a refridgerator, and alot damn heavier. 21 years later our production servers are in mid-sized towers. In 1980, the thought of someone walking out of the building with our series 1 was just a laught. Today, its still questionable if someone could sneak a mid-sized case past security (Uh, yeah, I'm pregnant, and they think he'll have a square head).
I've heard about server cubes already that are even smaller. Add onto that rack mount servers. Things are just getting smaller, which means they are easier to get out the door.
What happens when my server farm is the size of a test tube? Unlclip the 20 pin cable the gives it power, connects it to the network, and runs the perifrials, and shove it in your pocket?
Still somewhat difficult with great security. But no security is 100.0000000% perfect (Unplugged, in a cement block, under 200 ft of sand at the bottom of the pacific?). The only thing I could think of was to put one of those magnetic strips on it that the music stores (that I dont go to anymore) use? Metal detectors at the doors? DNA detectors?
Anyways, any of you have any idea's for physical security when our servers start getting small enough to throw in a cigarette pack (a few years off)?