That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a while - I doubt anyone at MS even knows what debian is (unless it's a geek, who's just playing with it at home).
first off we'll whine about how this isn't a "story," but rather an "advertisement"
then I think we'll come up with some obscure codec that it doesn't play
then we'll bitch about the price-tag for a bit
then someone will declare that portable music players are balls to begin with, and that portable video players are where the future is (this will be presented in a very authoritative tone)
then someone will come up with a list of all the idiotic things that have been said so far
Must be some other Oracle, not the one I have been using for 12 years.
Ok, it's still available of course, by "abandoned" I meant that Oracle themselves (and every single installation guide I've seen) suggest you don't actually use it.
it's hard to believe... would have a "good" Lucifer
Who says she's "good"? From where I am standing, she's manipulated everybody (including Neo and Mr. Smith) to get what she wanted - freedom for the programs that wanted to leave the machine city.
there's the Merovingian who seems to be portrayed as a devil figure
Subtly, too (his wife is named Persephone, for gods' sake). Though he isn't necessarily the Devil, just a random fun-loving underworld kind of demon guy.
I'm still trying to figure out if the authors did something fiendishly clever, or if they just threw in random mythological elements for the minor elements of the film with no regard as to how they meshed.
Had I only seen the first Matrix, I would've been tempted to believe it is the former, after the last two, I am convinced it is the latter.
People like you keep saying "there was no plot" when people who claim to "get it" DO see the plot. They see the meanings for what happened and the message the movie was saying.
Ok, let me explain: we (the people who are supposed to "not get it") do see the plot - we just find it silly enough not to be taken seriously. It's not that we don't see the simplistic allegory and the inelegant symbolism, we are just not all that impressed by it.
Why is it that when someone is congratulating themselves on noticing a flash of Fibonacci numbers in the intro, they immediately think that everyone else must not have seen it; otherwise they surely would have loved that. We did we are just not impressed.
I really wanted to see them introduce two new characters - The Postgres and The MySQL, who team up to defeat The Oracle. Now that a lot of geeks would've been able to relate to.
It was a great movie, particularly if you consider all three movies to be one story.
Ok, if it was so great, why was I so goddamn bored? And trust me, attention span is not my problem - it's mostly the "action" scenes that were a pain to watch. I mean seriously, how long can you watch stupid looking mechs stand in place and shoot at calamri? Add to that complete and utter predictability of everything that happens, and this just doesn't make for an enjoyable movie-going experience.
But then I wanted something other than the usual Hollywood mindless happy endings.
But it was a mindless Hollywood happy ending. Ok, so a little less happy, and a little more mindless than usual, but that's about it. Neo the wonder boy, goes to The Source (I seriously laughed out loud when they said that the first time), saves Zion, save the Matrix in the process and they all live happily ever-after; until the next sequel, or the prequel, or whatever.
Oh yeah, they did kill off Trinity (again) - tell me, how would the movie be differnt if they hadn't? She would pretty much get another 15 minutes of standing in the background doing nothing, and maybe we'd get a few more sappy lines from Neo, that'd be about it.
Answer, because it's a lot more exciting to see space ships fighting F-15, and hordes of squid robots fighting 'Mechs.
I beg to differ - watching those stupid looking mechs shoot at the calamari was the dullest 45 minutes of my life.
why use legged machines? Isn't that just another easy point of failure? How about treads instead.
Um, why do you need moving machines at all? All they did was stand in place and shoot up - wouldn't some sort of artillery be a lot more effective? Of course then you miss out on all the excitement of the damn kids running out to reload them and "prove" themselves - and what would we do without all that pathos?
And since the EMP is so incredibly effective, lets make sure they're only on our ships, and let's not keep any around the perimeter of our base.
Yeah, I was having trouble with this one too. Maybe they did explain this (admittedly I dosed off a few times), but where the hell were all their ships?
To me, Revolutions has come the closest to accomplishing what the first Matrix did. The plot was so much better, flowed nicely, and the dialog was easy to understand yet had those hidden philosophy messages which is what made the first movie so successful. ... What got me was the amazing ending. It was unexpected in someways, but totally made sense when you consider everything that happened in the movie.
Question - is this what all the people who say that the only way to not like these movies is to "not get" them, think?
If so, that would explain a lot - but, I am afraid you will have to abandon your theories that it is your superior intellect and powers of observation that allow you to appreciate the movies while the rest of us are in the dark. The plot, for all it's flowing, was nearly non-existent, and those parts that did flow in, have done so in literally hundreds of movies before this. The dialogue was trite to the point of silliness (quite a few people already pointed out the chuckles it has caused - not an uncommon reaction), the "philosophical messages" were hidden with the same finesse that one wields a two-by-four with.
Oh, and if you considered the ending unexpected, you are incredibly lucky - your life must be full of surprises.
Please, please, please explain to me what we do no understand. (Don't worry about overwhelming me with your complex mind, I think I can take it)
Trinity's death scene was the most painfully cliche ridden piece of drivel (looong piece of drivel) that I've seen on the big screen in quite a long time (granted, I don't go to that many movies). I mean, we had the same scene in the last movie for gods' sake! Oh, well, this time she did it better and said the "right thing" - how very precious.
It boggles the mind that some people claim that those that don't like the Matrices somehow lack the intellectual capacity to understand them. Semi-retarded six year-olds can see what the Wachowskis are getting at. (And yes, I mean all three - don't get me wrong, I think the first one was a great movie, but far too much has been made of it's supposed profundity)
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That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a while - I doubt anyone at MS even knows what debian is (unless it's a geek, who's just playing with it at home).
Yeah, I mean jeez - let's clear this junk out so we can sort through the veritable torrent of real news we are getting right now!
We are almost there - the title is "The Name of the Rose" :) Fun book, too.
hmm... possibly because this article is entirely about features that you will not find on kernel.org?
did I miss anything?
Actually, I am not seeing cheaper - faster and better (pretty much the same thing in this case), but no so much cheaper.
I get these five gay guys to come in and organize it for me, as an added bonus they ridicule my pr0n collection.
Ok, it's still available of course, by "abandoned" I meant that Oracle themselves (and every single installation guide I've seen) suggest you don't actually use it.
Why? And how, for that matter. Oracle abandoned this misfeature long ago, how would postgres benefit from it?
Yeah, in fact JMS got to tell his entire story, plus a whole extra year :)
Um, what type of vehicle do you want to get in an accident in?
- the weather
- sand and gravel on roads
- need to carry anything more than a briefcase or purse?
I don't really see why not. Ok, 1 is a little trickier, but certainly 2 and 3 could become true for a significant number of people in urban areas.
Ok, my bad, I won't generalize - I thought that the whole movie, and the ending in particular, was completely predictable.
Don't forget the surest give-away - the French accent :)
(oh yeah, and his wife is Persephone)
Who says she's "good"? From where I am standing, she's manipulated everybody (including Neo and Mr. Smith) to get what she wanted - freedom for the programs that wanted to leave the machine city.
there's the Merovingian who seems to be portrayed as a devil figure
Subtly, too (his wife is named Persephone, for gods' sake). Though he isn't necessarily the Devil, just a random fun-loving underworld kind of demon guy.
I'm still trying to figure out if the authors did something fiendishly clever, or if they just threw in random mythological elements for the minor elements of the film with no regard as to how they meshed.
Had I only seen the first Matrix, I would've been tempted to believe it is the former, after the last two, I am convinced it is the latter.
Ok, let me explain: we (the people who are supposed to "not get it") do see the plot - we just find it silly enough not to be taken seriously. It's not that we don't see the simplistic allegory and the inelegant symbolism, we are just not all that impressed by it.
Why is it that when someone is congratulating themselves on noticing a flash of Fibonacci numbers in the intro, they immediately think that everyone else must not have seen it; otherwise they surely would have loved that. We did we are just not impressed.
I really wanted to see them introduce two new characters - The Postgres and The MySQL, who team up to defeat The Oracle. Now that a lot of geeks would've been able to relate to.
Ok, if it was so great, why was I so goddamn bored? And trust me, attention span is not my problem - it's mostly the "action" scenes that were a pain to watch. I mean seriously, how long can you watch stupid looking mechs stand in place and shoot at calamri? Add to that complete and utter predictability of everything that happens, and this just doesn't make for an enjoyable movie-going experience.
Heh, "pulled a Minbari"... If only JMS had written the last two Matrices... if only.
But it was a mindless Hollywood happy ending. Ok, so a little less happy, and a little more mindless than usual, but that's about it. Neo the wonder boy, goes to The Source (I seriously laughed out loud when they said that the first time), saves Zion, save the Matrix in the process and they all live happily ever-after; until the next sequel, or the prequel, or whatever.
Oh yeah, they did kill off Trinity (again) - tell me, how would the movie be differnt if they hadn't? She would pretty much get another 15 minutes of standing in the background doing nothing, and maybe we'd get a few more sappy lines from Neo, that'd be about it.
I beg to differ - watching those stupid looking mechs shoot at the calamari was the dullest 45 minutes of my life.
why use legged machines? Isn't that just another easy point of failure? How about treads instead.
Um, why do you need moving machines at all? All they did was stand in place and shoot up - wouldn't some sort of artillery be a lot more effective? Of course then you miss out on all the excitement of the damn kids running out to reload them and "prove" themselves - and what would we do without all that pathos?
And since the EMP is so incredibly effective, lets make sure they're only on our ships, and let's not keep any around the perimeter of our base.
Yeah, I was having trouble with this one too. Maybe they did explain this (admittedly I dosed off a few times), but where the hell were all their ships?
...
What got me was the amazing ending. It was unexpected in someways, but totally made sense when you consider everything that happened in the movie.
Question - is this what all the people who say that the only way to not like these movies is to "not get" them, think?
If so, that would explain a lot - but, I am afraid you will have to abandon your theories that it is your superior intellect and powers of observation that allow you to appreciate the movies while the rest of us are in the dark. The plot, for all it's flowing, was nearly non-existent, and those parts that did flow in, have done so in literally hundreds of movies before this. The dialogue was trite to the point of silliness (quite a few people already pointed out the chuckles it has caused - not an uncommon reaction), the "philosophical messages" were hidden with the same finesse that one wields a two-by-four with.
Oh, and if you considered the ending unexpected, you are incredibly lucky - your life must be full of surprises.
Please explain it to me then. All joking aside, I want to get it. I would really love it if there is something to the last two Matrices.
Trinity's death scene was the most painfully cliche ridden piece of drivel (looong piece of drivel) that I've seen on the big screen in quite a long time (granted, I don't go to that many movies). I mean, we had the same scene in the last movie for gods' sake! Oh, well, this time she did it better and said the "right thing" - how very precious.
It boggles the mind that some people claim that those that don't like the Matrices somehow lack the intellectual capacity to understand them. Semi-retarded six year-olds can see what the Wachowskis are getting at. (And yes, I mean all three - don't get me wrong, I think the first one was a great movie, but far too much has been made of it's supposed profundity)