Actually I would say most computer geeks could use the weight in their laps or to carry it around for excercise. Unless you are really ancient or feeble then what is 9lbs?
As a geek who works out and enjoys physical fitness I think we ought to make them heavier.
I see my contemparies in their early 20's(i am 34) huffing and puffing after carrying their gear up one flight of stairs to lan parties. Shuttle pcs and lcds.
IF you are complaing about 9lbs(4.5 lbs on each leg) you have a serious problem.
I let the mountain dew and sedentary lifestyle hit me for a couple of years. Got extremely out of shape.
As someone who doesn't work with Sun, but sells sun stuff.:) I can say that Sun is all about the Opteron. But due to the the Utter Crap the original Sun Cobalt Raqs with crippled linux etc. They are making sure it runs right.
And they are sweet boxes. They are just making sure the kick ass.
I have an Alpine CD deck that does MP3/WMA. I have an Ipod.
I also have a little remote that sits on the side of me when I drive that lets me tune through the controls without the eyes leaving the road. Only a few buttons, and one I can see whats on the screen.
I could reach over and use the Ipod controls. But wait, why not just use the IR remote that Alpine has been including with all systems for the past two years?
And thank you for making me feel my age! Even at a ripe old 34 I can remember that song being played in the 70's. Don Ho the original Hawaiian lounge lizard.
And just for the younger crowd who had the good fortune not to be around when this was a hit. Here are the lyrics, may god forgive me.
Tiny bubbles (tiny bubbles)
In the wine (in the wine)
Make me happy (make me happy)
Make me feel fine (make me feel fine)
Tiny bubbles (tiny bubbles)
Make me warm all over
With a feeling that I'm gonna
Love you till the end of time
So here's to the golden moon
And here's to the silver sea
And mostly here's a toast
To you and me
So here's to the ginger lei
I give to you today
And here's a kiss
That will not fade away
Puto
I ran 3.1 on the same box with only 8 megs of ram and had an Epson 1500 laster printer that would rack out an amazing 8 pages a minute, and I would print 150 payroll checks every week. It would play music cds, and do all lot of things. And it was stable.
I did payroll, school reports, played doom, which was all pretty fancy. Even surfed the web. So basically same functionality I have now.
As a former Verio employee they have a large managed and dedicated hosting facility in Boca. They bought the old IBM building there in around 96-7. A company called Hiway. They also moved a huge load of servers from Orem Utah(porn I would imagine)
So this would make sense the shitload of spam coming from Boca.
Well sitting in front of my spanking new Powerbook it came with Java, as most Macs always have. I know I work for a company that has a huge client base and all we do is Java.
Most windows machines came with a JVM. XP initially came with it, then didnt then didnt again. And most large manufactures who sell XP preinstalled have it on their images, the Sun JVM that is.
Java is far from dead.
And why shouldn't sun do this. Take the best of the OSS community and embrace and extend, that is what it is all about.
I have about six boxes at home. With a range of Video Cards. Geforce to ATI.
All in Wonder 8500, and All in Wonder 9800 Pro.
Both work fine under XP. The 8500 pro is running on a media box and I have not had anything go wrong with it. Mind you all this box does is video and audio, so it does not have the plethora of other conflicting packages running around.
The 9800 pro AIW is on an XP surfing gaming box and no problems with it as well.
The Geforce 4200 is on a linux box and no problems.
I have tried both and although there was a time ATI had problematical drivers they really stepped to bat with the Catalyst. And ATI just has better image quality IMHO.
My 9800 pro is awesone as was the bundle included which is a nice editing suite, lets me burn DVDs, and it just works.
Software is an intangible item. Once it is written, it is written.
The questions is not could they, but would they is the key. MS doesn't need 50 million dollars, Sun could use the help.
IF MS gave the same price you would be screaming Monopoly money left and right.
A software license is a software license. I work for a company that sells a pacakage that runs from 10k on up to 100k, and you know what? I can call the CEO, make a case for a charity, a government agency, or a company that will give us a case study or some free PR and boom 9 times out of ten I can roll the package out at no charge, or a minimal fee.
This is a vicotry for Linux, but think about it. MS could do the same thing. They just cannot be bothered. IT would also be poor PR for them to do so.
Gateway said it was dropping AMD from all of its Governement and business lines. So they could a smaller number of suppliers and focus their efforts on trying to save the company. Keeping Intel was the logical choice. it makes sense not to support two chip architectures with two different types of chipsets and motherboards to deal with. There is cost in keeping enough of both chips in stock, keeping enough of both motherboards in stock, taking two types of support calls, producing two sets of documentation, and verifying and testing two types of parts.
As for the Opteron, who knows, maybe they will offer a new box.
As a 33 year old man I grew up with Kit and Michael.
Futurama, Simpsons, and the Family Guy I totally agree.
But Knight Rider I have to take offense.
Ok, it was cool when I was young.
However, looking back here is how I see it.
Michael was an openly macho Guido who bought International Male catalog knock off clothes. He would have had a mullet if his hair would not have been vying for largest fright wig of the 80's award.
Kit, well kit was cool. But he was a latent homosexual who was in love with Michael. Looking for a bit of rought trade. Michael knew this and Kit was his bitch.
And of course with out these factors the fundemental problem is Hasselhoff.
I work for a company that only writes products in Java, but writes them well.
We have a 10,000 active customer base that users our productsts. And they all love them. As a matter of fact, one product has 5-10 million users acessing it as we speak. And it is written in Java.
There is a shitload of bad code in Java, and there is some really tight code as well.
I have two machines at work. A 2 gig celeron and a 366 p3 with 245 megs of ram, our java app runs eqaully on them both, as I used the 366 the past three months and had no complaints other than the graphics card which was fixed by adding a Matrox.
Java is not perfect, but when done right it is pretty damn good.
We have product that on p3 800 with 512 of ram supports 500 operators with about 50 concurrent connections each, and guess what, 7 of the top ten ISP's use us.
Anything can be done poorly, and unfortunately Java got that rap.
Flash does weigh in a little heavy in the cost arena but it is has been dropping in the past few years.
Swish is 50 dollars which I dare say "CHEAP" and while Swish does not do all that flash does, you can do a hell of a lot with it. I own swish and use it when I need to be quick and dirty, but then again I use it a lot more that my owned copy of flash these days, as most of my animations are lite weight.
As for free software flash operating enviroments. Well they did open up the specification to the world, now they are supposed to release their commercial content creator for free. Write one your self, or check Source Forge, there are many projects out there.
Sometimes companies have to sell things to get something called money to support research and innovation.
You know I love Apple as much as the next guy in many respects, although not one of the fanatics who have fallen into the apple marketing hype or a part of the cult(As I love my windows 2000 box as well) and Linux. Well, I love computers.
Anyway, Apple is getting a little taste of it's own medicine. Didn't they sue somone over them copying, or making a similar color scheme on a pc case?
And haven't they sued before for things just a frivilous. Apple is fanatic about protecting their ip.
I support Linux as much as the next OSS geek. But really, I don't pad the truth.
You state 2000 dollars for the same MS setup.
I guess you are forgetting to add the cost of Offic XP for each linux box. But you didnt forget to add it for the MS boxes. So the MS numbers get padded up.
You you really should compare apples to apples.
600 dollars for a five client License.
I can get XP professional for 113 a pop. That is 665. A whole 66 dollars more.
So for the difference of 13 dollars you can have XP or 2000.
Now combime the licensing costs of office for each machine. And there is only a 14 dollar difference.
Please state all the facts.
As for support and updated, I bet you will get updates for XP and 2000 for a year.
Wow! How to install a soda fountain! The very height of tehcnology. Something I have always wanted to do. Wait a minute.
If the guy would have installed it and controlled it with a wireless NIC and had Big Gulp cups printed with the Penguin and a caffeine molecule
Whats next in the story department?
1. Watching Paint Dry - The do's and don'ts. 2. Color Coding Recycling bins. 3. Zen and the Art of the Compost heap. 4. Tae Boe Power Knitting. 5. Sheep dipping for fun and profit.
But seriously, admittingly I sit in front of computers probably far too much, this guy has no life. Diagramming his soda dispenser installation?
Hooray that he installed then had so much time on his hands to create a web page?
Thanks man, and they do look very interesting to me, especially with the wireless stuff.
However, I want them for a piece of software that connects to a midi port game port, that teaches you the piano/keyboard/ cause it connects throught the midi port. And it doesnt have one.
Howsa about a link to where you are getting this great little box with all the goodies in it already!!!!
Puto
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Actually Sun thought about cancelling its x86 version and the *users* demanded it back, and Sun has released 9 for intel not that long ago. DVD and downloadable versions.
Solaris x86 is very much alive and kicking and some shops use it to develop on then port it to the sun boxes later. The price is right.
Even sell a server with it on it. A rackmount no less.
http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/lx50/index.html
Check this link out. Cancelled?
http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/x86/index.h tm l
I have it on a personal box and while it was a bitch get running, I have had no problems with it for six months.
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Actually I would say most computer geeks could use the weight in their laps or to carry it around for excercise. Unless you are really ancient or feeble then what is 9lbs?
As a geek who works out and enjoys physical fitness I think we ought to make them heavier.
I see my contemparies in their early 20's(i am 34) huffing and puffing after carrying their gear up one flight of stairs to lan parties. Shuttle pcs and lcds.
IF you are complaing about 9lbs(4.5 lbs on each leg) you have a serious problem.
I let the mountain dew and sedentary lifestyle hit me for a couple of years. Got extremely out of shape.
Plbs pffft.
Puto
Well,
:) I can say that Sun is all about the Opteron. But due to the the Utter Crap the original Sun Cobalt Raqs with crippled linux etc. They are making sure it runs right.
As someone who doesn't work with Sun, but sells sun stuff.
And they are sweet boxes. They are just making sure the kick ass.
Puto
Hmmm,
I have an Alpine CD deck that does MP3/WMA. I have an Ipod.
I also have a little remote that sits on the side of me when I drive that lets me tune through the controls without the eyes leaving the road. Only a few buttons, and one I can see whats on the screen.
I could reach over and use the Ipod controls. But wait, why not just use the IR remote that Alpine has been including with all systems for the past two years?
Puto
And thank you for making me feel my age! Even at a ripe old 34 I can remember that song being played in the 70's. Don Ho the original Hawaiian lounge lizard. And just for the younger crowd who had the good fortune not to be around when this was a hit. Here are the lyrics, may god forgive me. Tiny bubbles (tiny bubbles) In the wine (in the wine) Make me happy (make me happy) Make me feel fine (make me feel fine) Tiny bubbles (tiny bubbles) Make me warm all over With a feeling that I'm gonna Love you till the end of time So here's to the golden moon And here's to the silver sea And mostly here's a toast To you and me So here's to the ginger lei I give to you today And here's a kiss That will not fade away Puto
Couldnt print? Mine printed fine.
I ran 3.1 on the same box with only 8 megs of ram and had an Epson 1500 laster printer that would rack out an amazing 8 pages a minute, and I would print 150 payroll checks every week. It would play music cds, and do all lot of things. And it was stable.
I did payroll, school reports, played doom, which was all pretty fancy. Even surfed the web. So basically same functionality I have now.
Puto
Great post,
But your sig, made me feel old.
'Less I am mistaken it is from the movie Moving Violation with John Murray, Bills's younger bro.
He went out with a beautiful young girl from traffic school, who was a rocket scientist.
Thanks for the memories.
Puto
As a former Verio employee they have a large managed and dedicated hosting facility in Boca. They bought the old IBM building there in around 96-7. A company called Hiway. They also moved a huge load of servers from Orem Utah(porn I would imagine)
So this would make sense the shitload of spam coming from Boca.
Puto
Well sitting in front of my spanking new Powerbook it came with Java, as most Macs always have. I know I work for a company that has a huge client base and all we do is Java.
Most windows machines came with a JVM. XP initially came with it, then didnt then didnt again. And most large manufactures who sell XP preinstalled have it on their images, the Sun JVM that is.
Java is far from dead.
And why shouldn't sun do this. Take the best of the OSS community and embrace and extend, that is what it is all about.
And solaris, does it really need a desktop?
Puto
Well,
I have about six boxes at home. With a range of Video Cards. Geforce to ATI.
All in Wonder 8500, and All in Wonder 9800 Pro.
Both work fine under XP. The 8500 pro is running on a media box and I have not had anything go wrong with it. Mind you all this box does is video and audio, so it does not have the plethora of other conflicting packages running around.
The 9800 pro AIW is on an XP surfing gaming box and no problems with it as well.
The Geforce 4200 is on a linux box and no problems.
I have tried both and although there was a time ATI had problematical drivers they really stepped to bat with the Catalyst. And ATI just has better image quality IMHO.
My 9800 pro is awesone as was the bundle included which is a nice editing suite, lets me burn DVDs, and it just works.
Puto
No experience with Unix?
Hmm they even wrote one years ago. 1980 to be exact. Some of us even remember our xenix floppies.
How about Xenix which could be argued quite well that it morphed into Sco.
MS has quite a bit of experience with Unix do not fool yourself. Even ported IE 4.0 over way back in the day.
Though MS has some evil qualities, to not overlook the fact they have many smart people working there. And they are not stupid.
Puto
MS could easily do this without blinking an eye.
Software is an intangible item. Once it is written, it is written.
The questions is not could they, but would they is the key. MS doesn't need 50 million dollars, Sun could use the help.
IF MS gave the same price you would be screaming Monopoly money left and right.
A software license is a software license. I work for a company that sells a pacakage that runs from 10k on up to 100k, and you know what? I can call the CEO, make a case for a charity, a government agency, or a company that will give us a case study or some free PR and boom 9 times out of ten I can roll the package out at no charge, or a minimal fee.
This is a vicotry for Linux, but think about it. MS could do the same thing. They just cannot be bothered. IT would also be poor PR for them to do so.
Puto
Gatewat sold many Athlon XPs in their systems. I have had to service my fair share of them.
C +A ccessories_316441/PC+Components_316805/CPUs+_A1_+M icroprocessors_316806/2414462_ProdDetail
And if you go to their site they even sell the opteron.
http://accessories.gateway.com/AccessoryStore/P
Gateway said it was dropping AMD from all of its Governement and business lines. So they could a smaller number of suppliers and focus their efforts on trying to save the company. Keeping Intel was the logical choice. it makes sense not to support two chip architectures with two different types of chipsets and motherboards to deal with. There is cost in keeping enough of both chips in stock, keeping enough of both motherboards in stock, taking two types of support calls, producing two sets of documentation, and verifying and testing two types of parts.
As for the Opteron, who knows, maybe they will offer a new box.
Puto
The channel is Universal studios. Arguably probably one of the most wealthy and diversified corps on the planet.
That said it probably is a stunt, but a cool one at least.
Puto
As a 33 year old man I grew up with Kit and Michael.
Futurama, Simpsons, and the Family Guy I totally agree.
But Knight Rider I have to take offense.
Ok, it was cool when I was young.
However, looking back here is how I see it.
Michael was an openly macho Guido who bought International Male catalog knock off clothes. He would have had a mullet if his hair would not have been vying for largest fright wig of the 80's award.
Kit, well kit was cool. But he was a latent homosexual who was in love with Michael. Looking for a bit of rought trade. Michael knew this and Kit was his bitch.
And of course with out these factors the fundemental problem is Hasselhoff.
Puto
I work for a company that only writes products in Java, but writes them well.
We have a 10,000 active customer base that users our productsts. And they all love them. As a matter of fact, one product has 5-10 million users acessing it as we speak. And it is written in Java.
There is a shitload of bad code in Java, and there is some really tight code as well.
I have two machines at work. A 2 gig celeron and a 366 p3 with 245 megs of ram, our java app runs eqaully on them both, as I used the 366 the past three months and had no complaints other than the graphics card which was fixed by adding a Matrox.
Java is not perfect, but when done right it is pretty damn good.
We have product that on p3 800 with 512 of ram supports 500 operators with about 50 concurrent connections each, and guess what, 7 of the top ten ISP's use us.
Anything can be done poorly, and unfortunately Java got that rap.
C is better, but J aint that bad.
And stop being ANON. PUSSY
Puto
Flash does weigh in a little heavy in the cost arena but it is has been dropping in the past few years.
Swish is 50 dollars which I dare say "CHEAP" and while Swish does not do all that flash does, you can do a hell of a lot with it. I own swish and use it when I need to be quick and dirty, but then again I use it a lot more that my owned copy of flash these days, as most of my animations are lite weight.
As for free software flash operating enviroments. Well they did open up the specification to the world, now they are supposed to release their commercial content creator for free. Write one your self, or check Source Forge, there are many projects out there.
Sometimes companies have to sell things to get something called money to support research and innovation.
Puto
You know I love Apple as much as the next guy in many respects, although not one of the fanatics who have fallen into the apple marketing hype or a part of the cult(As I love my windows 2000 box as well) and Linux. Well, I love computers.
Anyway, Apple is getting a little taste of it's own medicine. Didn't they sue somone over them copying, or making a similar color scheme on a pc case?
And haven't they sued before for things just a frivilous. Apple is fanatic about protecting their ip.
But maybe they are wrong here.
Puto
Ok,
I support Linux as much as the next OSS geek. But really, I don't pad the truth.
You state 2000 dollars for the same MS setup.
I guess you are forgetting to add the cost of Offic XP for each linux box. But you didnt forget to add it for the MS boxes. So the MS numbers get padded up.
You you really should compare apples to apples.
600 dollars for a five client License.
I can get XP professional for 113 a pop. That is 665. A whole 66 dollars more.
So for the difference of 13 dollars you can have XP or 2000.
Now combime the licensing costs of office for each machine. And there is only a 14 dollar difference.
Please state all the facts.
As for support and updated, I bet you will get updates for XP and 2000 for a year.
Don't play the close source game of fud.
Puto
Wow! How to install a soda fountain! The very height of tehcnology. Something I have always wanted to do. Wait a minute.
If the guy would have installed it and controlled it with a wireless NIC and had Big Gulp cups printed with the Penguin and a caffeine molecule
Whats next in the story department?
1. Watching Paint Dry - The do's and don'ts.
2. Color Coding Recycling bins.
3. Zen and the Art of the Compost heap.
4. Tae Boe Power Knitting.
5. Sheep dipping for fun and profit.
But seriously, admittingly I sit in front of computers probably far too much, this guy has no life. Diagramming his soda dispenser installation?
Hooray that he installed then had so much time on his hands to create a web page?
Now I have seen everything.
Puto
Thank you lord, finally back to my normal nerdiness. Yes, we can now return to our opinionatd, often un-substatiated, rants!
No more April Fools.
Of course the real joke could be that no one gonna say the following.
1. Red Hat Sucks
2. Debian Rules
3. Been rolling my own with Gentoo since the dawn of time.
4. PROFIT
That would be the real April Fools. No my distribution is better than yours. THAT is what would shock the hell outta me.
Puto
I hate to sound sexist but she is a very attractive women. There is so much character and life in her face.
As a geek who admires good work and good looking women, I gotta say WOW.
My girlfriend is an AIX genius who is also a head turner.
Puto
Thanks man, and they do look very interesting to me, especially with the wireless stuff.
However, I want them for a piece of software that connects to a midi port game port, that teaches you the piano/keyboard/ cause it connects throught the midi port. And it doesnt have one.
DAMMIT.
Puto
Howsa about a link to where you are getting this great little box with all the goodies in it already!!!!
Puto
Actually Sun thought about cancelling its x86 version and the *users* demanded it back, and Sun has released 9 for intel not that long ago. DVD and downloadable versions.
l
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Solaris x86 is very much alive and kicking and some shops use it to develop on then port it to the sun boxes later. The price is right.
Even sell a server with it on it. A rackmount no less.
http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/lx50/index.htm
Check this link out. Cancelled?
http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/x86/index.
I have it on a personal box and while it was a bitch get running, I have had no problems with it for six months.
Puto
Dead Heat? My god brings back some teen memories.
Joe Piscopo and Treat Willaims.
Hey, you're hurt!
Lady, I'm fuckin' dead.
Still got the VHS around here somewehre.
Puto