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For Champagne Bubbles, Smaller Is Better

Roland Piquepaille writes "During this holiday season you don't need a special occasion to drink champagne. You can do it everyday, providing you use moderation and common sense. But did you know that champagne taste better when it has tiny bubbles? This is the result of a very serious study published by the American Chemical Society (ACS) and more recently found by the Discovery Channel. And why do you think champagne taste better when carrying smaller bubbles? The answer is pretty obvious. More bubbles are releasing the champagne's flavor and aroma into your mouth. This summary gives you more details. In the mean time, let's all drink champagne!"

266 comments

  1. huh by Tirel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And here I thought taste was subjective...

    1. Re:huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      And here I thought taste was subjective...

      You'll be hard pressed to find someone who thinks dogshit tastes great. Sure, taste is subjective but since we are all human beings with the same physiology it's not too surprising that there are some strong commonalities. Taste is subjective -- to a point.

    2. Re:huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was born without tastebuds, you insensitive clod!

  2. Let's all drink champagne ? by EpsCylonB · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ermm yeah... my champagne stock is running a little low, you wouldn't mind sending me a crate would you ?

    1. Re:Let's all drink champagne ? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1, Informative
      Beer comes in crates. Wine comes in cases. I ordered a case of one of my favourite champagnes for my new year party, and it still hasn't got here. I'm beginning to think they thought I meant the Chinese new year...

      As an aside; why, exactly, is this news? It's been common (if specialist) knowledge for over a hundred years that small bubbles implies good champagne (although this is not universal, it's a fairly good indicator).

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    2. Re:Let's all drink champagne ? by EpsCylonB · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Beer comes in crates. Wine comes in cases.

      And you come in just one flavour, pedantic.

    3. Re:Let's all drink champagne ? by dipipanone · · Score: 1

      Beer comes in crates. Wine comes in cases.

      Clearly all of these champagne dealers have got it wrong and you alone have it right.

      Some wine even comes in boxes!

    4. Re:Let's all drink champagne ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bah! i'll be drinking Urbana!

    5. Re:Let's all drink champagne ? by B4rk0de · · Score: 1

      If this is news, Don Ho scooped them by about 30 years. Sing it with me, "Tiny bubbles in the wiiiiine..."

  3. While you're enjoying the bubbles and the aroma, by Brahmastra · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll take some everclear and get wasted long before you

  4. Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's only Champagne if it's bottled in Champagne, France. Otherwise, it's sparkling wine.

    1. Re:Actually... by caino59 · · Score: 2, Funny

      did you watch wayne's world on usa yesterday too?

    2. Re:Actually... by EpsCylonB · · Score: 3, Informative

      Which is why europeans love to laugh at stupid americans who refer to it as "French Champagne".

    3. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's only a PC if it's built by IBM. Otherwise it's a IBM PC-Compatible Personal Computer.

    4. Re:Actually... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is balogna only balogna when it is packaged in Balogna, Germany, otherwise it is just ordinary meat?

    5. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the French would make the location of production one of the ingredients. Fucking retards.

      You're the retard. It's a town, not an "ingredient".

    6. Re:Actually... by tuxette · · Score: 3, Interesting
      On that note, don't go to Spain and call their wonderful cava champagne. Ever. When I was researching on a travel website for information on Barcelona last summer, I read a story about someone who did just that and wondered why the Spaniards were so upset and suddenly cold towards him. On a friendlier note, you can get some excellent cavas at a fraction of the price of champagne, though the top champagnes beat anything else out there.

      In Italy, sparkling wine is called asti spumanti. In Germany you can get a local Sekt. South Africa has cape classic. I'm not too crazy about any of these, but chacun a son gout.

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    7. Re:Actually... by I+Be+Hatin' · · Score: 5, Funny
      Is balogna only balogna when it is packaged in Balogna, Germany, otherwise it is just ordinary meat?

      ... then it's called "baloney". But under no circumstances would I classify it as "ordinary meat". Actually, I'm even a little suspect about the "meat" part.

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    8. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why europeans love to laugh at stupid americans who refer to their national processed cheez fud as "American Cheese".

    9. Re:Actually... by dotwaffle · · Score: 1

      You've been watching too much Waynes World. Either that or I have...

      And these days, Champagne is for people who want to look exclusive and upper class, when truth be told, actually they're tosspots ;) Red wine or real ale anyday...

    10. Re:Actually... by davidc · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's "sparkling wine" which may be white wine which has been carbonated, or fermented in a large vessel - large bubbles, generally is not very nice. Then there's "Methode Champenoise" where the wine gets a secondary fermentation in the bottle just like Champagne does. This stuff is much better, smaller bubbles and rivals the "Champagne" Champagne, at a lower price :-)

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    11. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... or Bologna, Italy

    12. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You mean that there's no Californians in a California Wrap? Man, first no Girl Guides in the cookies, no shepherds in the pie, and now this!

    13. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only on Slashdot would a comment that puts Bologna in Germany be moderated "Insightful".

    14. Re:Actually... by frankthechicken · · Score: 1

      Don't think so, but Parma ham must be made in Parma. And Feta cheese must be made in Greece.

    15. Re:Actually... by Nachtfalke · · Score: 3, Informative

      *Putting on my pedant hat*

      Actually, it's "Bologna", and that's in Italy, not Germany.

    16. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops, it looks like you put your ass hat on by mistake!

    17. Re:Actually... by clambake · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's only Champagne if it's bottled in Champagne, France. Otherwise, it's sparkling wine.

      Says who? The French who live in Champagne, France? What if I live in Champagne, Texas? What i I just wan to call my motor oil Champagne for the hell of it? Kleenex is "tissue" even if it's made by Puffs.

    18. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow.

      Europeans must lead pretty boring lives.

      Maybe they should move to Australia.

    19. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There's nothing wrong with a little redundancy... for example, I like to use the phrase "elitist European snob", even though the middle word implies the other two...

    20. Re:Actually... by h00pla · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I love these funny anecdotes about Spain. They are generally untrue, that's what makes them so funny. These travel guides have to sell an adventure and I suppose that insulting the local wine classifies as danger. Anyway...

      If you've lived in Spain, or travelled there extensively, you will find that the most Spaniards refer to cava as 'champn' and I have never seen anybody get 'cold and unfriendly'. In Catalua and parts of Valencia is where 'cava' is produced, by legal agreement and some of these are excellent and rival the best French champagnes. Two that stand out are 'Torre Oria' and 'Juve y Camps'. The popular Freixenet, which is sold in the States is quite good, but doesn't really match these that I mentioned.

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    21. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      Says who? The French who live in Champagne, France?

      Exactly. The French have a law for what they call appellation d'origine controlee. It basically says that Champagne can only be called Champagne if it's made in Champagne, Brie in Brie and Tripoux d'Auvergne (you don't even wanna know what that is) in, you guessed it, Auvergne.

      Of course, these laws don't mean anything outside of France (or perhaps they do now in the EU, but I don't know about that).

    22. Re:Actually... by Ranger · · Score: 1

      It's only Champagne if it's bottled in Champagne, France. Otherwise, it's sparkling wine.

      Unless of course your country was in the midst of prohibition and didn't sign the treaty with France agreeing not to call their sparkling wines Champagne. So rejoice fellow Americans you can call sparkling wines in America Champagne! I realize, of course, that's like calling Budweiser or Miller beer. But hey it's America, and it can get you stinking drunk much cheaper.

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    23. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be playing an alchohol elitest at the moment. Tosspot. I'm happy with my bubbly, you can keep you 'Tesco Red Wine Value Range' and IPA.

    24. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who stops you calling your Lunix OS Windows? Trademark law. Not copyright, the method of production is open, only the name is protected. Like you can't extract crude oil and call it Texaco. This is the issue Google got so upset about earlier in the year, if 'google' became a verb it couldn't stay trademarked.

    25. Re:Actually... by cmowire · · Score: 1

      The interesting point is that you can often tell "good" American sparkling wine apart from cheap crap simply because most of the finer sparkling wine houses don't claim to be "Champagne" whereas most of the cheap crap houses do.

      Similarly, American Bordeaux is almost always bad, whereas if they call it something else and then quietly say that it's made in the Bordeaux style, it'll be more likely to be good.

    26. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which, as an European, I find ridiculous and just indicative of how much the EU is a bureaucracy instead of a proper democracy...

      Trying to control how people talk about things -- stupid. ("Genuine Feta" and "Genuine Parma ham", no problem with those, but I'll call the alikes "feta" and "parma ham" as much as I please.)

    27. Re:Actually... by phalse+phace · · Score: 1

      Cheap Champagne. Check.
      Cheap diamonds. Check.
      Cheap wedding. Check.
      Now all I need is a cheap bride.

    28. Re:Actually... by cmowire · · Score: 4, Informative

      The synonym for Methode Champenoise is "Naturally fermented in this bottle". Methode Champenoise is the only way you can make "Champagne" Champagne.

      The other sparkling wines are "Naturally fermented/carbonated in a bottle" or "Bottle fermented", which means that a large vessel and generally means large bubbles or suffer various other indignities to the way that God intended it to be made, as given to the good Dom. And then there's just plain old carbonated, like soda.

      The thing is, to do the Methode Champenoise takes extra time, care, and money, so only people who are serious about making good stuff bother to do it -- although if the Methode Champenoise becomes a snob point, I'm sure the cheap houses will make some wretched Methode Champenoise sparklers themselves.

      But I've never seen an Methode Champenoise wine that didn't, at the very least, have lots of tiny bubbles.

    29. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Europe is a lot more stringent about that sort of thing. To the point that they have laws about it (Sherry must come from Spain, Port from Portugal, Cognac and Champagne from France, etc).

      Those labelling laws don't apply in the US (yet, I think the WTO wants them to), so you will find some New York sparkling wine labelled as champagne, at least in the US.

    30. Re:Actually... by phayes · · Score: 5, Informative

      Due to a French court decision a few years back, it is now illegal (in europe & other countries that respect "l'Appelation d'Origine Controlle" or AOC that you see on most european wines) for wines grown outside of the region of champagne that use the secondary fermentation process to say so on the bottle. According to the Champagne winegrowers association the mere mention of the use of "methode champenoise" even if it is in small print on the back lable was enough to confuse the public into thinking that it came from Champagne (& was thus protected by the AOC).

      This happened around the time Rambus was trying to litigate the rest of the world into submission instead of producing a better product & letting the market decide. Draw your own conclusions, but this was when I stopped buying champagne.

      Another thing that turned me off champagne is that 90% of the champagne that is produced is what is called a "Vin d'Assemblage" or fabricated wine. Most wines are the product of a single year & region. This is why you can see both the origin (AOC again) & the year on the bottle. However, this is not usually the case for champagnes. Just before the wine is ready for the secondary fermentation it is tasted. To eliminate the differences in taste from year to year, wine fom different years (& often sugar) is added so that the champagne will have a predictable taste.

      So, unless it is an exceptional year, wine from champagne does not have a date on the bottle. As they are fabricated wines, they age badly & must be dunken young.

      Champagnes that DO have a date (Called Milesime in french) ARE exceptional. Unforunately they also sport a price tag to match. You can leave these bottles in a wine cellar & they get better & better -- to a point as really old champagnes loose their C02.

      There are a lot of really excellent sparkling wines out there that are cheaper than most champagnes. My personal favorite is the Vouvray Petillant from the Loire valley region in France. These are not fabricated wines, so some years are better than others, but in 1990 I put a case of 12 bottles away to be opened on new years eve 2001. There were other "champagnes" served that night, including some very expensive bottles but none was as fine as the Vouvrays & the case of 12 was cheaper than a single bottle of the good "Real Champagne".

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    31. Re:Actually... by mattdm · · Score: 1

      Well, right. And so, too bad for the excusivity of Champagne from France -- too late.

    32. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I thought Asti Spumanti was just a type of cheap champagne. Now, if someone could explain Harvey's Bristol Creme I'd be grateful.

    33. Re:Actually... by DJTodd242 · · Score: 1

      No fear. Send me an email, and I'll introduce you to my ex-wife.

    34. Re:Actually... by jrumney · · Score: 1
      It's only Champagne if it's bottled in Champagne, France. Otherwise, it's sparkling wine.

      Cuvee (slashdot won't accept the accent) if you want a fancy sounding name.

    35. Re:Actually... by farmkid · · Score: 1

      > In Italy, sparkling wine is called asti spumanti.

      Well, asti spumante one of them. Don't forget Franciacorta, or prosecco, or brachetto, or...

    36. Re:Actually... by sgage · · Score: 1

      "that's like calling Budweiser or Miller beer."

      Funnily enough, Miller refers to their "High Life" beer as "the Champagne of beers".

    37. Re:Actually... by mumblestheclown · · Score: 1
      and americans love to laugh at europeans (EU) with their stupid and blatantly anticompetitive "named origin" rules that tolerate such bullshit.

      the "best brands" that fall under such protectionism tend to be french--dijon mustard, champagne, etc. but, there's no shortage of ways in which such legistlation is aimed at reducing europe back into a place of protected guilds - stilton cheese, port (oporto), etc.

    38. Re:Actually... by kfg · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the true sense you'd be correct. In the legal sense you are not. The people of Champagne did not do a good job of protecting their trademark internationally, therefore if I go into a local store looking for real Champagne I have to specify such. My locale (upstate NY) is one of the world's major producers of "Champagne," each bottle clearly labeled "Champagne" in big, bold letters.

      Which is why any Frenchman laughing at the cultural idiocy of an American could be legitimately laughed right back at for their own.

      The good people along the Charente, however, taking an object lesson from their countrymen in Champagne, took the proper steps to secure their trademark legally. Thus when I go into a store in NY and ask for Cognac what I get actually comes from the Cognac Delimited Zone. Everything else is brandy.

      Anyone who wishes to laugh at stupid Americans for asking for "French Cognac" will get no retort from me. French Brandy, however, is perfectly legitimate.

      KFG

    39. Re:Actually... by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      The EU. You can't call it Paramesan cheese unless it's made in Parma Italy, as well.

    40. Re:Actually... by mbertini · · Score: 1

      In some sparkling wine is called spumante, and is the Italian version of Champagne. Asti is a version of this spumante, produced in the area of the city called Asti.

      We have several other sparkling wines, sometimes with different names: e.g. Prosecco (di Valdobbiadene)

      BTW: the French word perlage (don't remind were are the acccents) refers to the size of the gas bubbles, and is a well known fact that a small perlage is a sign of good sparkilng wine. This research has only stated a known fact, nothing special.

    41. Re:Actually... by teg · · Score: 1


      and americans love to laugh at europeans (EU) with their stupid and blatantly anticompetitive "named origin" rules that tolerate such bullshit.



      That's not anti-competetive and stupid... the names have been built up through hard work during a long time. It's not a company, like Coca-Cola, but an area, and it should still apply.


      People elsewhere aren't forbidden to use those methods, but I'm perfectly fine with Kraft not being able to call its cheese with sawdust (cellulose) for Parmesan.

    42. Re:Actually... by sbma44 · · Score: 1
      asti spumante is just one italian sparkling wine. moscato is another type of italian sparkling white -- lambrusco is a sparkling red. There are probably a number of other varieties of which I'm unaware.

      on that note there are other french sparkling wines, too, besides champagne. I don't claim to know much about wine, but it really is a shame that here in the US it's largely marketed as an "elite" drink rather than an everyday accompaniment to food. Being able to get a passable bottle for $3 in Italy is one of the things I remember most fondly about life over there.

    43. Re:Actually... by kbeech · · Score: 1

      Unless you're in the US, which was not a signatory to the Treaty of Versailles. We're free to call our sparklers champagne, but most makers don't, since they're aiming at a global market.

    44. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While not an amazing sparkling wine, the slight lemon overtones in Freixenet do make it an excellent accompaniment to sushi...mmmm.

      Mike

    45. Re:Actually... by Flamingcheeze · · Score: 1

      Maybe they were cold toward him because he drank too much cava and started playing matador with the tablecloth.

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    46. Re:Actually... by mumblestheclown · · Score: 1
      but you're wrong. you can't sell cheez wizz as parmesan any more than you can sell a horse as a type of cow. product labelling rules apply. now, in the case of parmesan cheese, maybe the specific labelling rules allow for a higher percentage of cellulose than you find to be reasonable, but in the general case most people agree that they're decent.

      the thing with these stupid and anticompetitive named origin rules is that in general they stifle competition by preventing the SAME products from different regions from competing against each other. the excuse that it always used is some mythical combination of local conditions that supossedly makes "X", "X"---such as the fact that the oak used in barrels used in making some bordeaux were at one point shit upon by a particular sort of bird which ate a particular fruit which contributes to bordeaux's taste and hence only bordeaux is truly bordeaux.

      basically, it taxes the imagination some of the bullshit justifications - there's a very simple test that can be applied. if competitor from a different region's cannot be differentiated by experts in a blind test, then it IS the same product.

      And dont give me this shit about regions building things up from hard work. You or I can buy a place in the "Cheddar" region of england and thereby claim that our toe fungus is cheddar. Places are not organizations and they are not people. named origin is protectionism and the second biggest evil in europe, second only to CAP (common agricultural policy), which is what keeps africa in poverty and all of our taxes artificially high.

    47. Re:Actually... by zeno_2 · · Score: 1

      Hotdog pancake.

    48. Re:Actually... by dipipanone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      and americans love to laugh at europeans (EU) with their stupid and blatantly anticompetitive "named origin" rules that tolerate such bullshit.

      You mean as opposed to Americans who take out a patent a variety of rice and then register the trademark 'Basmati', even though this particular rice has been traditionally associated with a strain that grows in the Himalayas for the last few hundred years?

      The reality is that there's nothing protectionist about it. You're absolutely free to sell as much of your 'American Cheese' in Europe as you like (bwahahahahah.) You just can't call it Camenbert. This strategy has the advantage of providing consumers with an accurate description of the goods being sold. The alternative lays the way open to any attempt to rip off both producers and consumers by fraudulent and deceptive practices -- and still seeks protectionism for your inferior products -- as in the case of your BasNasty rice.

      However, I do understand that large numbers of Americans think that consumers shouldn't have any protection from rapacious and deceptive trade practices -- which is probably why so much spam originates from your shores.

    49. Re:Actually... by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Which is why europeans love to laugh at stupid americans who refer to it as "French Champagne".

      Nor more stupid then americans saying *english muffins*.

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    50. Re:Actually... by dipipanone · · Score: 1

      Now, if someone could explain Harvey's Bristol Creme I'd be grateful.

      Bristol is an English port that was the place of entry for many of the imported wines. Hence lots of wine merchants set up shop there.

      Harveys was one such wine merchant. Established over 150 years ago, they began to blend some wines to achieve a greater degree of consistency in their product. Harveys Bristol Creme is the name they gave to one such blend made of fortified wines from Jerez (Sherry.)

    51. Re:Actually... by Fizzleboink · · Score: 2, Funny

      "French Champagne"


      Don't you mean "Freedom Champagne"?
    52. Re:Actually... by teg · · Score: 1

      the thing with these stupid and anticompetitive named origin rules is that in general they stifle competition by preventing the SAME products from different regions from competing against each other. No, they don't. You'll just have to call your sparkling wine something else than champagne, and your processed milk w/cellulose something else than parmesan, and it's fine. The same way you can't call something 'Coca-Cola' on a whim either.

      if competitor from a different region's cannot be differentiated by experts in a blind test, then it IS the same product.

      That's not consistent with how trademarks work. Some say it's from a company, others that it is from a region.

    53. Re:Actually... by phayes · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link, I've always wondered why you could call sparkling wines Champage in the the USA but not elsewhere.

      France added an amendment to the treaty of Versailles that ended WW1 that forced every country that signed it to acknowledge only champagne that comes from the champagne region in France may be called champagne.

      However, I've got a bone to pick with the CNN article.

      Wines from Champagne may have been known from roman times, but not the sparkling wines we have come to know as "Champagne". Champagne was rather known as a producer of poor wines like the rest of northern Gaul. Back then, every area then was warm enough to grow grapes produced wine. The good wines all came from futher south where it was sunny enough for the grapes to produce wine that tasted better than horse piss.

      It was only after a catholic monk named "Dom Perignon" invented what has come to be called "Methode champegnoise" in the late 1600s that the bubbly came into being. Dom Perignon came up with the method to be able to sell the wine from his abbey which had few takers up to then. If you ever get the chance to taste regular white wine from champagne that hasn't undergone the secondary fermentation, you'll understand why. Wines from champagne are STILL poor to middling unless changed into "Champagne".

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    54. Re:Actually... by Valdrax · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're absolutely free to sell as much of your 'American Cheese' in Europe as you like (bwahahahahah.) You just can't call it Camenbert.

      It's utter nonsense. The terms for cheese and the like are descriptive of the kind of cheese and its flavor. Are all Parmesean, Muenster, Feta, etc. cheeses that come from Wisconsin to be labelled "American Cheese" or "Wisconsin Cheese?" How would you tell them apart? Better yet, under Europe's naming regime, should every single country that makes Parmesean cheese be forced to come up with an independent name for what is essentially the same product? How would you know what can be substituted in a recipe?

      Of course, that's the real goal of the European system -- to force consumers to only associate a European town or region's goods to satisfy their needs. This why the EU doesn't even want American to be able to say "Rocheforte-like" to label their goods. It's pure protectionism and all it does is confuse customers. The protectionism is made far more blatant by the fact that Cheddar cheese isn't protected because it was widely produced outside of its original region in Europe before the law came into effect in 1992 while America's Parmesean production was not considered when Parma, Italy gained European trade protection for its own name. The stench of hypocrisy abounds here.

      Naturally, though, I'm sure you don't see it that way, what with all of your claims that American goods are "inferior products." However, the basic fact is that many American-made cheeses are as good or better than the European originals unless your doing extremely finicky gourmet cooking, and the American dairy industry can match demand that regions like Parma, Italy cannot, especially now that the industry seems to be slowly withering on the vine due to a lack of interest in the youth of the area in becoming cheesemakers. Now, however, in Europe if it's not from Parma it has to have a different name. All you've managed to do is make your own goods more expensive for the sake of snobbery in the tradition of landed titles. It's madness.

      What's next? Can we no longer use the word Amaretto if the cordial doesn't come from Italy? Can we no longer have Chamomile tea if it wasn't grown from Eurasian stock? Are you genuinely arguing that Basmati rice that wasn't grown on Indian soil cannot have that name?

      Cheesemaking is a recipe. Is Europe honestly saying that we cannot have Hamburger Steak or Florentine Quiche because the recipes were once invented elsewhere?

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    55. Re:Actually... by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1

      I'll keep an eye out for those although I suspect they'll be tough to find in the states. I drink a lot of Cava, mostly Segura Viudas's Aria Brut Nature, which is very crisp and clean (60% Macabeo, 20% Xarello, 20% Parellada grapes). It's a nice bottle for $11. I also like Segura Viudas's base Brut Reserva ($8, 50% Macabeo, 35% Parellada, 15% Xarello) and "upscale" Reserva Heredad ($17, 67% Macabeo, 33% Parellada). I think they are a bit more typical of the style. All these are widely available in the US. Freixenet is surprisingly good for such an overwhelmingly pervasive bottle. Last week, on a lark, I grabbed a bottle of Julio Iglesias's J. It was really very good: rich and balanced.

      For Americans who prefer a more champagne style bubbly but don't want to pay the $20 for a decent California bottle, much less the $40 for a Champagne, I suggest Rotari. It's an Italian bubbly but made from Champagne grapes (90% Pinot Noir, 10% Chardonay). Pretty good stuff for $10. I have yet to find a Prosecco Spumante which impressed me, but am open to suggestions.

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    56. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So because the French have decided that we should not call American bubbly champagne, we shouldn't?? Some awfully good sparkling wines are coming out of California these days. Chandon, Mumm, Roederer and others from Champagne have set up shop there and are turning out great stuff. Iron Horse down in Green Valley (a stones throw from O'Reilly's offices) does too. Heck even Korbel makes some decent stuff now (their Russian River Natural bottling). In France hand riddling has been replaced by very large machines for the most part. So the quality gap between Champagne and other sparkling wines made exactly the same way gets smaller and smaller. If it's fermented in the bottle from a cuvee of Pinot Noir and Chardonnay, then it's champagne, French attitude notwithstanding. Saying that one can't call American Champagne champagne is like saying that we can't call swiss cheese swiss cheese unless it comes from Switzerland. And I suppose German chocolate cake, and cashmere sweaters, and such should be referred to more properly too?

      Sparkling wines are great matches for a lot of foods. They go better with potato chips than most other wines, and they will stand up to mesquite or jalepeno flavored chips. They go with spicy asian food much better than the Gewurtz's, Rieslings and such folks tend to recommend. They go well with Sushi, especially eel. They are even pretty good with pizza.

      So a suggestion for anyone who feels champagne is snobbish: try a $10 bottle of Korbel Natural or Chateau Ste. Michelle, ignore French snobery and call it champagne, and have it with a peperoni and sausage pizza. In addition to making one happier faster than beer and bloating one less than beer and occasioning less frequent trips to the urinal than beer, people are less likely to take your champagne than they are your beer if you leave it in the refrigerator at a party.

    57. Re:Actually... by jrumney · · Score: 1
      while America's Parmesean production was not considered when Parma, Italy gained European trade protection for its own name.

      That's because America's Parmesan production consists of manufactured canned powder (otherwise known as Pamselo), while the Parmigiano-Reggiano area produces high quality cheese. Parma itself is famous for its dry cured ham BTW.

    58. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they are killing Palestinians, does anyone actually care?

    59. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree.

      I have not had an American-made Swiss cheese that is as good as Emmentaller. Add to that fact that is allowable for Kraft, et al., to label an uncolored processed cheese product as "Swiss Cheese [product]", and restaurants who use it to call it "swiss cheese" on their menus when it clearly is not, is an abomination. They can't do this with Cheddar cheese...

      I don't mind if it's Emmentaller Swiss cheese or Kraft as long as it really is Swiss cheese, and not cheese product.

      As far as Amaretto, well, that is pretty much established as a trademark for an almond liquer. Yes, I've seen others in the liquor store, just like there are other coffee liquers besides Kahlua. Sure, you can make your own Almond liquer, but you can't call it Amaretto...

      All the locales in Europe are doing is establishing that there are essential traits over their product (Stilton != blue cheese != Roquefort or any other blue cheese. Go to Whole Foods Market and find out for yourself!), and that they would like to protect this trademark, much like with Champagne. It does make sense.

      Having not lived in or been to Philadelphia, I tend to not want to ever eat a Philly Cheese Steak sandwich, unless I'm in Philly. Why? It only takes about 2 hours of watching The Food Network, or whatever, to see a REAL Philly Cheese Steak sandwich and to come to the conclusion that most, if not all, others claiming to be such a thing just are not, and are not worth eating or suffering the indigestion from.

      Funny, I got hooked on Chicago-style foods, before moving there later, from a little restaurant in University City (close to UCSD. Sorry, don't remember the name...), where the proprietors were Chicago ex-pats and got the "right" Chicago food ingredients from Chicagoland: Vienna Beef hotdogs, sausages and italian beef, florid-green relish, sport peppers, etc., and they hid the ketchup dispensers...

      It's right up there with calling Taco Bell food authentic Mexican food (is it even food? Well, it is if it's 2am...). Nothing could be further from the truth. It is not even good at what it does, because Del Taco, Rubio's, Baja Grill, Taco John's, et al. do a much better job at Mexican food for franchise chains.

      Of course, what is Mexican food, exactly? Food in Oaxaca is much different then food from Sonora or Baja California...

    60. Re:Actually... by dipipanone · · Score: 1

      Are all Parmesean, Muenster, Feta, etc. cheeses that come from Wisconsin to be labelled "American Cheese" or "Wisconsin Cheese?" How would you tell them apart?

      Well, to perfectly honest, I don't think you could sell any of these products in Europe -- but if you wanted to try, you could call them Parmesan-style, Feta-style, etc. with a large label that read 'Made in Wisconsin'. Nobody would have any objection to that.

      Naturally, though, I'm sure you don't see it that way, what with all of your claims that American goods are "inferior products."

      I'm not making any such claim. If I wanted a good Monterey Jack cheddar, I'd expect it to be made in the good old USA. I've never come across anything comparable anywhere else. If I wanted Maple Syrup, I'd be looking for something that came from real Maple trees in Maine or Canada. I wouldn't want something made from sugar beet in El Salvador. Again, it has nothing to do with protectionism and everything to do with clear labelling of the product.

      Are you genuinely arguing that Basmati rice that wasn't grown on Indian soil cannot have that name?

      If it wasn't grown in the Himalayas, it isn't Basmati rice. However, you miss my point, which is that US patent law means that not even that can describe itself as Basmati rice in the USA, because the name has been reserved for a patented strain grown in Buttfuck, Idaho.

      Cheesemaking is a recipe.

      It's nothing of the sort. Great cheeses are a product of both the method and the local ecology. The grass that the animals eat, the water that they drink, the type of beasts in the herd all play some part in producing the distinctive flavours associated with classic cheeses.

      Of course, given that you don't appreciate that, I can see why you think there's no difference between one of the great French or Italian cheeses made by craftsmen on a family smallholding, and something made in a factory in Wisconsin. You're clearly the kind of person who thinks that Espresso is a drink that's made with two heaped spoonfuls of Maxwell House instant coffee.

    61. Re:Actually... by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

      Along these lines, some software should be labeled 'Software Product (processed)' inasmuch as it only vaguely resembles genuine, working, bugfree software. Especially Software Product from Washington state.

    62. Re:Actually... by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      If I wanted a good Monterey Jack cheddar, I'd expect it to be made in the good old USA.

      What about cheddar? Apparently, the EU decided that one place is as good as another, so why not Parmesean and others?

      It's nothing of the sort. Great cheeses are a product of both the method and the local ecology. The grass that the animals eat, the water that they drink, the type of beasts in the herd all play some part in producing the distinctive flavours associated with classic cheeses.

      So, it's a complex recipe. I'm quite well aware of the fact that soil chemistry has an effect on the flavor of cheeses. That does not mean that Parma's soil and grass conditions cannot be replicated anywhere else nor that no one else can use the right kind copper kettles or age the cheese the right amount before shipping. I have had genuine Parmigiano-Reggio, and it is quite good. However, it is not impossible to reproduce elsewhere, which is what the EU is attempting to claim. Unless Parma were willing to give a name for their cheese that others who followed the recipe could use instead of attempting to claim the world monopoly on the ability to make cheeses in it's class, it's nothing more than base trade protectionism and it should stay the hell out of the WTO.

      You're clearly the kind of person who thinks that Espresso is a drink that's made with two heaped spoonfuls of Maxwell House instant coffee.

      You're clearly the kind of person to make unsubstantiated ad-hominem and straw man attacks against anyone who argues with you. Then again, snobs commonly do.

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    63. Re:Actually... by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      That's because America's Parmesan production consists of manufactured canned powder.

      That's an unfair generalization. Kraft Foods' Parmesean may be canned powder, but not all American cheeses are so cheaply done. Sargento makes an.. adequate mass marketed Parmesean product though still inferior to the original, and you can find cheeses capable of rivalling the original from smaller American dairies if you go into upscale groceries like Whole Foods Market or specialty shops.

      Parma itself is famous for its dry cured ham BTW.

      Yep, and that's currently upsetting a grocery store chain in Britain right now because of ludicrous restrictions placed on their goods thanks to the recent granting of PDO status to Parma ham. Basically, UK grocers can't use the name "Parma ham" to describe real ham from Parma that was sliced and prepackaged in Britain. Unless its sliced and prepackaged in Parma or sliced for the customer at the counter on request, it can't be called Parma ham, even though it actually comes from there! Now, isn't that just protectionist madness?

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    64. Re:Actually... by frankie_guasch · · Score: 1

      don't go to Spain and call their wonderful cava champagne. Ever. When I was researching on a travel website for information on Barcelona last summer, I read a story about someone who did just that and wondered why the Spaniards were so upset and suddenly cold

      This can't be true, I'm from Barcelona (Spain) and
      we call cava and champagne the same drinks. Though we know the difference, and we know also you can get excellent Catalan Cava at a much lower price than French Champagne.
      It's not only you won't notice the difference unless you're an expert. They are good anyway. And you can spend a lot of money in expensive Cava, if you want.

      I'd like to point many people think champagne it's only a drink for the dessert. Wrong! You should drink it with any dish. When you go to the restaurant, or buy it in a shop, ask the waiter an advise so you can eat a fish or meat and drink with a champagne.
      In the dessert, usually sweet, ask for a sweet wine, like a Pedro Ximenez or a Sauternes, or better, let the sommelier advice you.

    65. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, fool.

  5. If only by frankmanowar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If only there were a way to measure the bubble size before you spend the money on the champagne.

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  6. champagne bubbles by tuxette · · Score: 4, Informative

    They get you drunk faster.

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  7. Size does count. by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... smaller is better.

    This is quite possibly the only instance I can think of where this is true.

    Cheers. =)

    1. Re:Size does count. by Kirk+Troll · · Score: 1

      What about cell phones and credit card debt?

    2. Re:Size does count. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about cell phones and credit card debt?

      Aren't large cell phones and credit card debts products of the eighties?

    3. Re:Size does count. by clambake · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... smaller is better.

      This is quite possibly the only instance I can think of where this is true.


      You've never been hit by a car.

    4. Re:Size does count. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... smaller is better.

      This is quite possibly the only instance I can think of where this is true.


      If you're in prison, this applies to something more traditional as well.

    5. Re:Size does count. by PrintError · · Score: 1

      I've been hit by a Honda Accord and a Dodge Ram.

      The Accord nearly shattered my shins, the Ram just bruised my back.

      Smaller isn't better.

    6. Re:Size does count. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been hit by countless matchbox and hot-wheels, I'll take that over your Dodge Ram anyday.

    7. Re:Size does count. by theridersofrohan · · Score: 1

      ... smaller is better.

      This is quite possibly the only instance I can think of where this is true.

      You've never been hit by a car.


      Or a PDA

    8. Re:Size does count. by disntrstd · · Score: 0

      I take it you have fancy with women of girth?

    9. Re:Size does count. by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Wait until you have to have a catheter installed.

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  8. Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Shouldn't it be called freedom-champagne?;) *g* (take it easy, im joking)

    1. Re:Freedom by AndroidCat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Only if you freedom-kiss your SigOther.

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  9. No thanks by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I like free beer better... ;)

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    1. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      I like free beer better... ;)

      Am I just weird or does most alcohol taste like crap? I can't place the taste of Champagne.. it's almost like drinking vinegar. Why would people pay for drinking something so nasty? Then beer... it's like moose piss or something. I'll take a good old Diet Coke anyday over alcohol. The only thing I seem to be able to like is a little orange juice mixed with vodka, but only enough that I can't taste the vodka. If I can taste the vodka then it's just nasty. Oh and Long Island Ice teas are pretty good. Maybe I'm just gay and don't know it.

    2. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe I'm just gay and don't know it.

      Probably. LI Iced Tea is a girly drink after all. I bet you like frozen margaritas(*), too.

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    3. Re:No thanks by bobalu · · Score: 1

      > Am I just weird
      Well of course most alcohol tastes nasty, it's basically medicine. That said, if you had champagne that tasted like vinegar you had some pretty nasty champagne. I actually thought I didn't like beer at first, when I realized it was just Budweiser I didn't like. They're not all the same, y'know. Try Guinness or Bass, Grey Goose or Ketel One vodka. Cheap is generally nasty.

      Ironically, my guess is you'd LOVE a mimosa.

      Now as to your last question, you apparently already know what crap and moose piss taste like so who knows, maybe it'd work for you.

      Kidding son, just kidding. :-)

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    4. Re:No thanks by lth · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be "freedom beer"?

    5. Re:No thanks by jrockway · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. I'd much rather go for a cup of coffee. I don't *want* to subdue the outside world, thank you very much. I LIKE TO BE HYPER!

      Also, people shouldn't drink when coding. I ran across this gem while trying to get something to compile last night:

      int function(int, int, int *, int); ...
      err = function(1, 2, 3, 4);

      Now that's a bit paraphrased (to protect the innocent), but come on! That 3 in there ruined the whole program. (Compiler warning? Ahh fuck it. Ship!)

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    6. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd much rather go for a cup of coffee. I don't *want* to subdue the outside world, thank you very much.

      One day, when you're all grown-up, you'll understand.

  10. Taste? Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C'mon now, the important thing is how quickly it raises your blood alcohol content to an acceptable level. And I'm pretty sure that more bubbles means more gas which means faster gas exchange to the blood.

    Of course after the third glass it all tastes pretty good anyway.

  11. Ribbed for her pleasure... Ewwww by frankmanowar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know, the things you can learn from Rob Lowe in Wayne's World are truly astounding. Now I'm off to learn cantonese.

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  12. Re:Its spelt Shampain! by Kirk+Troll · · Score: 3, Informative

    Probably because it's a proper name, not just a word?

    Wine = a word.

    Champagne = a proper name. (i.e. "California roll")

  13. Another link by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Scientists say champagne taste is all in the bubbles Ah hell, here's a whole pile of Google links Cheers!

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  14. Finally Stuff That Matters! by bobalu · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well now, it's about time alcohol technology gets it's due here!

    Maybe we need a section for martini recipes.... the original open-source?

    How about the pros and cons of RFID tags on Bordeaux bottles?

    "warez" for basement absinthe makers?

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    1. Re:Finally Stuff That Matters! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...in Soviet Russia a Beowolf cluster of them running Linux on Natalie Portmans's hot steaming grits imagines you.

  15. This article is a bit late, don't you think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As in: posting on or before December 31st would have been more appropriate.

  16. Re:While you're enjoying the bubbles and the aroma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're new aren't you

  17. Germany? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    For starters, does "Balogna" sound like a German name to you?

    And you spelled it wrong.

    May I venture a guess and say you're American?

  18. So Don Ho got it right? by jejones · · Score: 1

    Cool!

    1. Re:So Don Ho got it right? by puto · · Score: 1

      And thank you for making me feel my age! Even at a ripe old 34 I can remember that song being played in the 70's. Don Ho the original Hawaiian lounge lizard. And just for the younger crowd who had the good fortune not to be around when this was a hit. Here are the lyrics, may god forgive me. Tiny bubbles (tiny bubbles) In the wine (in the wine) Make me happy (make me happy) Make me feel fine (make me feel fine) Tiny bubbles (tiny bubbles) Make me warm all over With a feeling that I'm gonna Love you till the end of time So here's to the golden moon And here's to the silver sea And mostly here's a toast To you and me So here's to the ginger lei I give to you today And here's a kiss That will not fade away Puto

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  19. Re:If only by fastidious+edward · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you buy from a good wine shop they should know. Not only do small bubbles enhance the tastes, they result in a creamy (rather than fizzy) texture which is most welcomed by the back of my throat as well as the taste buds, the stomach and the mind.

    If you want fizzy wine to be 'a bit different' to get drunk on choose any cheap plonk (Cava fits the bill well and is also tasty), if you want a decent champagne you can get this for ~USD35 at a specialist wine shop or specialist (staffed by those who are passionate about wince, rather than in-between semesters or on remand) wine section of a shopping mall. Non-champagne sparkling wines are also improving in quality (And sometimes are excellent), but don't expect anything too cheap, if it is cheap it'll get you drunk but won't be the amazing experience good champagne can be.

    Don't follow the big names either. For example Bollinger only starts getting good well past USD70/bottle, a lower priced bottle can be just as good at much less cost.

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  20. Re:If only by pp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Measure the weight of your wallet before and after? Price tends to correlate with taste (and thus size of bubbles)

    Fortunately there are plenty of cheap alternatives to the over-priced (but excellent) authentic stuff. I like the Hungarian Torley (dry, of course). Almost as good as the low-end 20-25 euro champagnes for a fraction of the price.

    Would be nice to have a really good excuse for buying a bottle of Dom Perignon, though ;)

  21. Now we are onto NEWS over 20 years old by cdn-programmer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes - this is over 20 years old. No doubt next we'll be hearing that oak makes some red wines taste better.

    Talk about scraping the bottom of the old wine barrel looking for a story eh?

  22. If small bubbles release the most flavour... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Does that mean we should be putting larger bubbles into beer so that we don't taste as much of it while we get hammered?

    1. Re:If small bubbles release the most flavour... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For most US beers, that would be a definite improvement! Oh, and for Stella Artois, too.

      For Guiness, on the other hand, or Trappiste....

      Hey! Happen to know any good, hard-working beer bubble splitters looking for employment ? ;)

  23. Re:While you're enjoying the bubbles and the aroma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you'll also feel like you feel like you got hit by a bus the next morning. Everclear isn't refined that much so it's got a shitload of impurities. Give me a good bottle of at least 16 year old whiskey. Screws you up pretty good, tastes great (whole lot better than everclear) and it treats you right in the morning.

  24. Champagne tastes like ass anyways by Schmucky+The+Cat · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I don't want more bubbles releasing the aroma of fermented apple cores. I have to pretend not to smell or taste anything to drink that crap anyways.

  25. Warning! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Parent contains a goatche.ez link!

  26. Well, I respect other views, but... by bobalu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My guess is a lot of the people who boycotted it only drank it because it was the "right" choice in the first place. Just like most of the people calling them "surrender monkeys" didn't know they lost half a million men in 1916 by NOT surrendering to a sustained German attack at Verdun, more than we've ever lost in all battles including the Civil War. Or that without the help of the Marquis de Lafayette, the French navy and army we'd probably still be singing "God Save The Queen".

    Or, while we're at it, that "French" toast was invented by a Mr. French of Albany NY.

    Humans. Pfffftt.

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    1. Re:Well, I respect other views, but... by jpm242 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Or, while we're at it, that "French" toast was invented by a Mr. French of Albany NY.

      I seriously doubt that an american invented roasting a piece of bread over fire. That was invented waaaaaaaaay before. Oh wait, you're right, I just checked and mr. French does hold a patent on that..

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    2. Re:Well, I respect other views, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      "French" toast was invented by a Mr. French of Albany NY.
      I seriously doubt that an american invented roasting a piece of bread over fire.

      That's plain toast. French toast is dipped in egg and fried and was first called French's Toast.

    3. Re:Well, I respect other views, but... by bobalu · · Score: 0, Redundant

      And of course it's always possible that some people don't know what French Toast IS, and how it's different from burning bread in a fire.

      http://www.freerecipe.org/Breakfast/French_Toast /

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    4. Re:Well, I respect other views, but... by larry+bagina · · Score: 1
      "French Toast" involves dipping a slice of bread into a beaten egg/milk mixture (with spices like nutmeg added) and then frying it.

      Quite different than simply "roasting a piece of bread over fire."

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    5. Re:Well, I respect other views, but... by kaisyain · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are wrong in your comparison of Verdun to the US Civil War. Of course it is comparing apples to oranges (and I generally agree with you re: historical ignorance). But the facts are:

      (According to the official French war history)
      French casualties at Verdun: ~340,000
      French fatalities at Verdun: ~165,000

      US casualties during Civil War: ~1,147,000
      US fatalities during Civil War: ~670,000

      Estimates vary widely for both Verdun losses and Civil War losses but even the highest estimates for French losses at Verdun come nowhere close to US losses during the Civil War. Of course, that tends to happen during civil wars when deaths on both sides get added to your total.

      But like I said, it is comparing apples to oranges.

    6. Re:Well, I respect other views, but... by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough the oldest recipe named french toast, used a batter of sugar orange juice, and wine. The history of french toast was explained in Slate, around the time the House changed the name to freedom toast.

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  27. moderation by iamthemoog · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...providing you use moderation...

    I moderate this bubble as being overrated.
    (Much like this post)

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    1. Re:moderation by Lxy · · Score: 1

      No Norm, those are your safety glasses; I'll wear my own thanks...

      Should I be scared that I know exactly what you're referring to? I found it odd that he doesn't sell them on his website, since we need those particular safety glasses.

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  28. beer by danger+ian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    does this hold true for beer?

    1. Re:beer by f13nd · · Score: 1

      depends if you like Guinness or not... you'll notice Guinness has more of a foam than a fizz

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    2. Re:beer by MooKore+2004 · · Score: 3, Informative
  29. This is not news by Zuke8675309 · · Score: 1

    Don Ho has been telling us this for years.

  30. H2O by janiz · · Score: 1

    Does this have anything common with carbonated mineral water?

  31. Number of bubbles? Well, kinda... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Yeah, the greater number of bubbles, the better. But that's really because of the increased surface area. If you have smaller bubbles, you're going to end up with more area per unit volume, which will allow for greater diffusion of flavor components, etc. (rate of diffusion is, of course, related to surface area)

    Incidentally, I didn't read the article at all. Maybe it focused on this aspect... Just thought I'd add my uninformed (?) pennies...

  32. -1, Buy an Ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This story brought to you by the Champagne Advisory Council.

  33. An interesting aside... by openSoar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The sediment that is produced after the sugar and yeast have made these little bubble is removed by freezing the neck of the bottle whilst it's upside down and then removing the plug of 'goo'.

    That's why Champagne bottles have that large foil top - historically, it was used to cover up the fact that you were being short-changed. Now that we have standards and things, these days, they fill the gap with a similar blend before it's corked.

    Who knows why they didn't do that before...

    1. Re:An interesting aside... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to freeze it. You know what happens when you open a "champagne" bottle?
      A part of the contents get out by the carbonic gas sudden pressure change.
      Once the "cava" is produced, the temporary "cap" is removed, getting out part of the contents with all the sediments. Then the definitive cap it put in place.
      Only lowest quality "cava" or "champagne" goes with the "freeze" procedure (It burdens quality)

    2. Re:An interesting aside... by openSoar · · Score: 1

      i thought the reason they froze it was so that everything came out in a solid plug rather than a mix of cava and sediment.

      this is how they do it at mumm in napa, ca - not champagne i know but not too bad either.

  34. Two words - sports team by bobalu · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unfortunately, if there's no American sports team there they effectively don't exist for most Americans. Guys anyway. All those countries trying to get into NATO and the EU have it all wrong, they should be trying to get into the NFL. Might even work for the Palestinians.

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  35. For you, Perl freakz... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The mysterious significant other is nothing more than $SIG{OTHER}

  36. Chamagne goes with everything -- red wine doesn't by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Informative

    And these days, Champagne is for people who want to look exclusive and upper class, when truth be told, actually they're tosspots ;) Red wine or real ale anyday...

    I'm not sure if you're trolling or what but here goes. Champagne is somewhat unique in that it is a fantastic accompanyment to almost any type of food. It goes well with appetizers, the main course, or dessert. You can have it with dinner, at a party, or even for breakfast. There really isn't any other kind of wine that is as versitile as champagne. You mention red wine in your post. There are great reds, to be sure, but if you are going to be eating a delicate whitefish, you would probably not want to be serving a Cabernet Sauvignon with that since the wine will easily overpower the food. In fact just the other day I caught From Russia With Love and Bond realizes that the chap who is dining with him is not an agent but is an assassin instead because he's inexperienced enough to order a red Chianti with fish. That pairing just doesn't go very well. You want to select a beverage that will enhance and compliment the food, not overpower it.

    Champagne is well suited for this purpose because of the bubbles. The 'fizz', if you want to call it that, help cleanse the palatte between mouthfuls so that you can get the full taste sensation from the 20th bite as you did with the 1st. You can also achieve this effect by using a toothbrush during a meal and cleansing your tongue that way (try it when you're alone some time!) but that looks rather silly. I'm not at all surprised that smaller bubbles are better (in fact, I thought that was common knowledge) because smaller bubbles means you can get more contact surface area (more bubbles) on the tongue and that should increase the cleansing effect.

    Of course, there are different types of champagne (differing levels of sweetness) but for the most part you really can't go wrong with champagne. It goes with everything. Something that most certainly cannot be said of red wine or ale.

    GMD

  37. I thought everybody knew this! by csoto · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's been known since the Dom popped his first couple of corks.

    Anyway, be sure to always drink from leaded crystal, which has the right sort of pore structure to support continuous beads of tiny bubbles (given a good wine sample - Korbel ain't never gonna taste good).

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    1. Re:I thought everybody knew this! by cmowire · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'd have to defend Korbel a little.

      Their best stuff that Korbel makes is the stuff that's not sold all over the place for standard "American" tastes. In fact, the best stuff that comes out of California and is, at the same time, economical, isn't given wide distribution. They can't change Korbel Brut too much for the same reason why Coke failed at New Coke, which tasted "better" but wasn't what people were used to.

    2. Re:I thought everybody knew this! by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 2, Funny
      Anyway, be sure to always drink from leaded crystal, which has the right sort of pore structure to support continuous beads of tiny bubbles (given a good wine sample - Korbel ain't never gonna taste good).

      I usually only drink Champagne that comes out of a box or a bottle with a screw on cap. Is the stuff made by this Don guy any better?

    3. Re:I thought everybody knew this! by kinaidos · · Score: 1

      Actually Korbel's Natural Russian River Valley Champagne is not too bad. It's hard to find, and it retails at about twice the price of their standard plonk, but it's not bad.

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  38. Re:While you're enjoying the bubbles and the aroma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and mixed with Kool-Aid.
    High school dayz all over again.

  39. Well ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember one of the most power full firm in the "luxe" world, that try to sell a parfum withe the name "champagne" ... If i do remember well the name of the firm was starting with C ;-)
    (two is somehow better, and they are known to like the number 5 ... everybody got it now ?)

    The Champagne AOC group courted the firm, and they were enforced to rename the parfum from "Champagne" to "C." ;-) But of course, the new name was not so famous agains the world.

    By the way i am quite surprised to see that Champagne is not yet a PGI/IGP ! Maybe they do not need this as the champagne syndicate is quite powerfull (money in mind) and can enforce anybody worldwide not to use their name to seel goodies ;-)

  40. Nitpicking... by igrp · · Score: 2, Informative
    Well, since the US never signed or ratified the Treaty of Versailles that's not entirely true.

    Some countries, e.g. Germany, still have laws prohibiting the use of the term champagne (same thing applies to "cognac", cf. Article 275 of the Treaty of Versailles).

    Nowadays, that's hardly more than a weird relict though - think about it: it's not really Kleenex unless its made by Kimberly-Clark. If it's generic it's a just facial tissue product. Same thing...

  41. Juve y Camps by tuxette · · Score: 1
    I'll second that recommendation. I bought a bottle (one of many) on my last trip to Catalonia. Great stuff!

    I've travelled a bit in Spain, but I don't speak Spanish (I make do with French, more effective than English), so I'm not really sure what Spaniards really call their cava. I've ordered "cava sorbet" and bottles of cava from menus, but I've never seen or heard "champn" (or similar) as far as I can remember.

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    1. Re:Juve y Camps by h00pla · · Score: 1
      The slash code removed my accented 'a'. The people of Catalunya (Catalonia) and Valencia would probably not refer to cava as 'champan' (cham-PAN), being proud of what they produce, but in the interior Castellano speaking provinces they do.

      I had some Juve y Camps on Christmas eve and it was excellent. I also tried 'Dominio de la Vega' from Valencia, but this is probably not available outside Spain. If you take another trip, you could look for some. It's also excellent. It must have small bubbles :)

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  42. Well said by fastidious+edward · · Score: 1

    But, and maybe this was in a different Bond, I thought it went something like:

    Bond: I would have picked a 1959 Chianti.

    Waiter: I'm afraid our cellar is rather understocked at the moment.

    Bond: This is a 1959 Chianti.

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    1. Re:Well said by h00pla · · Score: 1
      You're referring to Diamonds are Forever. He actually asked for a claret.

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    2. Re:Well said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      From Russia With Love
      Search for "wine"

    3. Re:Well said by Captain+Pedantic · · Score: 1

      Diamonds Are Forever.
      Search for "claret"

      h00pla is right, you are wrong. HAND.

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  43. Re:While you're enjoying the bubbles and the aroma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So "impurities" cause a hang over? Care to expand on that?

  44. If it's not from Balogna by runlvl0 · · Score: 1

    Is balogna only balogna when it is packaged in Balogna, Germany, otherwise it is just ordinary meat?

    If it's not German, then it's what we call phony baloney.

    (Thank you, thank you. Tip your waitresses, I'll be here all night...)

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  45. Trademarks and History by nuggz · · Score: 1

    The place the product is produced being part of the name is a traditional thing.
    This is like trademarks we have today.

    Kleenex is a trademark, only Kimberly Clark can call their product Kleenex.
    Only Champagne produced sparkling white wine should be called Champagne.
    Coke and cola, Skidoo and snowmobile, liquid paper and correction fluid, Post it Notes and whatever they actually are the list goes on.

    It isn't like it is some huge leap of logic, just because the name of something has become so common that people may not even know the name of the real product.

    And yes you can call your motor oil champagne, it likely isn't in the beverage category.

    1. Re:Trademarks and History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It isn't like it is some huge leap of logic, just because the name of something has become so common that people may not even know the name of the real product.

      If a name becomes so common that people don't know it's a trademark, the trademark is lost. Aspirin is the earliest example I can think of.

    2. Re:Trademarks and History by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      We always called correction fluid white out, after a competing product. I don't know why it's white out, seems like black out or ink out would be a better descriptor. If I produced it it would be oops.

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    3. Re:Trademarks and History by nuggz · · Score: 1

      This is kind of annoying, if you have a successful product and marketting campaign, you lose it all.
      Dumb dumb dumb

  46. Re:If only by nolife · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't take advice from a dude who uses "creamy texture" and "welcomed by the back of my throat" in the same sentence.

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  47. What a "discovery" by buserror · · Score: 2, Funny

    Every french person knows that before puberty! What to discover next, "ice cube is a red bordeaux is a bad idea" ? or "people who put fizzy water in their chablis should be shot" ?

    1. Re:What a "discovery" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree! Its just like for h2so4.

      The chablis should be pored *into* the fizzy water. Er, right ? ;)

  48. Re:Chamagne goes with everything -- red wine doesn by jpc · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually its not because it is white and sparkling, its more because it is acidic and not overtly fruity that it goes with many foods. A dry Riesling will also go with any food that Champagne goes with, as will some other wines. Some red wines do go well with fish but you have to pick carefully. And ales go well with food but again you have to pick and choose a bit. Though something like Adnams goes with a lot of different foods too.

  49. Re:If only by jrockway · · Score: 1

    > a lower priced bottle can be ... much less cost.

    I hate it when the higher priced ones are at much less cost. That confuses me :)

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  50. No! Champagne must be aged under a pyramid! by rueger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Truly, a very fine champagne style wine is produced by the Summerhill Estate Winery in Kelowna, British Columbia. Their secret is to age the wine under a carefully constructed pyramid so that "all the atoms spin the same direction".

    "The site was carefully chosen. First a check of interfering energies was exhausted (i.e. underground streams, electric current exposure, gas line interference, etc.). Then the earth under the pyramid was compacted to 100%. Then a surveyor lined up the square base to coincide with exact True North as it is here in Kelowna. The area was then checked by an astronomer who lines up the foundation to the North Star precisely. It is interesting to note that much excitement took place when we aligned the site because the astronomer's news that almost to the day, 1997 was "the year of the Great Pyramid"."

    "The pyramid effectiveness may also be explained using Einstein's concept of Tachyons and Tardyons. Tachyons are particles of invisible energy that move faster than the speed of light (that means it is faster than 186,282 miles per second). Tardyons behave in the opposite way, moving below or at the speed of light. This brings about the theory of negative space-time. [Negative space-time is 180 degrees from positive space-time. In positive space-time living organisms change from life to deterioration. In negative space-time, life moves from deterioration to rejuvenation. It is said that the pyramid serves as the interface between positive and negative space-time."

    Scoff if you wish, but they make some very, very fine wine.

    1. Re:No! Champagne must be aged under a pyramid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scoff..

    2. Re:No! Champagne must be aged under a pyramid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd have to be a TARDyon to fall for their scheme.

  51. I wonder... by John+Courtland · · Score: 1

    .. if little bubbles will my my everclear taste any better...

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  52. Re:While you're enjoying the bubbles and the aroma by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Informative

    Things like methanol (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd =Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3588516&dopt=Abstrac t) and fusel oil (a heavier alchohol) are supposed to aggravate hangovers. They're toxic. Of course so is ethanol, but the effects may be different.

    Methanol, by the way, becomes toxic when metabolized by alcohol dehydrogenase. A perfectly valid first aid measure for methanol ingestion is to feed the victim vodka. The ethanol keeps the enzyme busy until the methanol can be excreted unchanged. This *may* be why "hair of the dog" helps, though it could jus be general numbing.

    Hangovers seem to be a blend of several problems including dehydration.

  53. Re:If only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess we wont be seeing you on Queer Eye for a Sraight Guy any time soon.

  54. Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin by malia8888 · · Score: 1
    I had my first taste of real French champagne this New Year's Eve....woweee wow wow!!. It was a 1990. The stuff tasted fantastic but was so powerful it made my hands numb during the first glass.

    The taste was incredible. I always thought that French champagne had to be an overblown snob legend. It isn't. It really transports you taste wise. I had it with celebratory popcorn being a peasant n' all.

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    1. Re:Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Good first glass...

      Firstly, Veuve Clicquot are an excellent producer. Secondly, you got one of the finest years in a very long time. If memory serves me well, there hasn't been a better year since.

      I personally had a 1990 Lanson and it was brilliant.

      Don't expect the non-vintage stuff to be a patch on what you had, btw. Personally, I drink cheap fizz from Spain or regional France instead of NV champagne.

    2. Re:Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin by Insipid+Trunculance · · Score: 1

      Well if you want to splurge try
      1.Bollinger 61
      2.Krug (if possible get a n/v from early 70's)
      3.Louis Roederer Cristal 86/90 and their Rose from 90 and 82.
      4.Dom perignon try an 84 or 96.

      A bit pricey but once you try them you arent going anywhere

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    3. Re:Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1

      If it was the Grande Dame, you really started off with a bang. The 90 Grande Dame is a classic bottle. I actually liked the 89 even more, but it has been a couple of years since I've had the 90 and it may have improved. Haven't seen the 89 around for a while.

      If it was the Vintage Reserve. it was also probably very, very good. I haven't had the 90, but the 93 was outstanding in the $70 range and I would expect the 90 to tbe better. For that money it is a far better deal than two bottles of the "Yellow Label" Brut NV.

      La Grande Dame is named after Madame Clicquot, who invented the all important riddling process.

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    4. Re:Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes, Svejk, It was the "Vintage Reserve". And, though I don't have ANY other exposure to true champagne than this bottle, the taste was like nothing I have ever had.

      Thanks for the links. I especially liked the one about Madame Clicquot and her riddling process. That is brilliant.

      Thanks for your comments!

      malia8888

    5. Re:Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1
      Yes, Svejk, It was the "Vintage Reserve". And, though I don't have ANY other exposure to true champagne than this bottle, the taste was like nothing I have ever had.
      I know it sounds silly to call a $70 bottle of wine a bargain, but I think the VCP VR has very good price-performace for a Champagne. The whole genre has been obscenely overpriced since 1999, even though millenial overproduction resulted in a huge glut. For a while I could get Henri Abele by the case for $17 a bottle, but then is got a high Parker rating and the price doubled.
      Thanks for the links. I especially liked the one about Madame Clicquot and her riddling process. That is brilliant.
      She certainly was a Grande Dame. Too bad VCP recently changed their web site. They used to have a really cool comic strip version of the riddling story on the old site. The current version doesn't seem to mention it at all, although they have a page on her conquest of Russia.
      Thanks for your comments!
      My pleasure. Your standards are now unaturally high, but if you want to try some decent table bubblies in the $8-12 range, there are lots of nice Spanish Cavas. I like Segura Viudas's Aria. Actually, I've liked all the Segura Viudas cavas I've tried. Freixenet Cordon Negro is ubiquitous and not at all bad. Oddly, one of the best Cavas I've had is Julio Iglesias's J.

      Don't get me wrong, these are quite different wines from Champagne (different grapes for one thing), and nowhere near the quality of the VCP VR, but for the price they are all nice little bubblies. Rotari, an Italian label, is more like Champagne. It is made from Champagne grapes (Pinot Noir and Chardonay. Champagne may also have Pinot Meunier) but is priced like a Cava. Again, compared to your experience to date, this is not a special wine. But for $10 it compares favorably to a lot of $30-40 non vintage bottles from Champagne. Italy also has its own indigenous bubbly styles, such as secco and prosecco spumante, but I haven't had much luck with them.

      Just spreadin' the love. BTW, my best friend makes bubbly for a living.
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    6. Re:Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Just spreadin' the love. BTW, my best friend makes bubbly for a living.

      How fortunate for you to have such a friend. And, I am sure he appreciates your love of Champagne.

      I grow gourmet coffee. If you and your friend ever have too much Champagne you can call me for "first aid".

      malia

    7. Re:Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1
      How fortunate for you to have such a friend. And, I am sure he appreciates your love of Champagne.

      It's mostly due to him. What little I know about wine I learned from him. If you live in the north east US, try some of these. Or better yet, stop by the winery for a tour. My man is the Cellar Master (number two winemaker after Bill. I don't want to web publish his name without permission). If he's around , tell him svejk sent you. He'll give you the VIP treatment. All their bubblies are very good, but the Imperial RD is a real standout. It is only available onsite and is actually worth the $66. It will blow away most non-vintage Champagnes. Depending on your taste, it should compete with the VCP you had on New Year's Eve. Very different; it is made from a decidedly non-champagne grape.
      I grow gourmet coffee. If you and your friend ever have too much Champagne you can call me for "first aid".

      If you go to Westport, bring some of your bean with you. My man is a big coffee maven as well. He'd greatly appreciate it.

      My other best friend is the Chef at one of the top restaurants in our fair city. It is amazing I'm not even fatter than I am.
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    8. Re:Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      As much as I would like to visit Westport Rivers, it is rare I go to the mainland U.S. anymore. You see I wasn't kidding, I literally grow one of the most revered coffees in the world, Kona coffee. If I do ever get that far east I will be sure to look your friend up, if you don't mind. If you or your coffee loving friends find yourselves this direction, we would be happy to show you the coffee fields.

      My other best friend is the Chef at one of the top restaurants in our fair city. It is amazing I'm not even fatter than I am.

      I think, svejk, that anorexia is highly overrated. A person who looks like they enjoy life looks good.

      malia, now participating in Slashdot's longest thread ;)

    9. Re:Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1
      As much as I would like to visit Westport Rivers, it is rare I go to the mainland U.S. anymore. You see I wasn't kidding, I literally grow one of the most revered coffees in the world, Kona coffee. If I do ever get that far east I will be sure to look your friend up, if you don't mind. If you or your coffee loving friends find yourselves this direction, we would be happy to show you the coffee fields.
      Mmmmm...I love Kona. Plus, I am a Mets fan. I wish I were in Hawaii right now. It is -2 F here today.
      I think, svejk, that anorexia is highly overrated. A person who looks like they enjoy life looks good.
      Well then I get better looking every year. Toodles. :-)
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  55. Taste is subjective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful



    Taste is subjective. Not only in champagne but in life.

    For example, what do you call a blog whore who constantly promotes his own site with the deceptive phrase and link "This summary gives you more details"?

    Since when does a summary give more details than the original article?

    Simply say you've provided a link to your blog and be done with it. Or is the real problem that fewer people clickthrough when you inform them the link is to your blog?

    How do champagne bubbles have anything to do with "How new technologies are modifying our way of life"? Answer: It doesn't. It's just another cheap way to drive traffic to his site.

    From the many comments I've seen since Piquepaille has been posting here, I'm not alone in thinking that the deceptive way he writes his posts is in bad taste.

  56. champagne spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can you imagine the spam header: Decrease the size of your b_ubb_les fjgs kjlgh

  57. Redundant? by bobalu · · Score: 1

    Gee, are you not allowed to respond to an idiot? or is that the redundant part?

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  58. my tastes are a bit different. by flacco · · Score: 1
    i like my champagne like my women - cheap and sweet.


    a six-buck bottle of ballatore is fine for me. usually i mix it with orange juice (mimosa) or peach nectar (bellini) anyway.

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  59. Really not a news ... by beaufils · · Score: 1

    ... well at least for every people living in Champagne.
    No need to make a publication of the ACS in order to discover that thing just ask people from Champagne.

    If it interests you, we, people who lived or have passed some time in Champagne, all know that. Next big thing to learn about Champagne ?

    • Champagne is MUCH better before eating that after. In fact we NEVER drink champagne with sugared thing, unless it is of half-dry (demi-sec in french) kind.
    • Best glasses to drink champagne in are small one with the shape of a pipe.

    All those stuff are based on people-experience and on serious studies. The University of Reims (URCA) makes a lot of very serious studies on the stuff. When I studied there some of my friends passed their master thesis on the topic of Champagne Wine. Let's imagine courses where your job is to taste champagne :-)

    Il n'y a de Champagne que de la Champagne !

    Sparkling wine from other place that Champagne is not champagne, not because of stupid copyright, trademark, or patent law, but because of the quality and nature of the ground, of the undeground cellars, and the way (as in algorithm) it is made.

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  60. "Smell" over "Taste" by gradji · · Score: 1

    As many wine enthusiast already know, most of the appreciation of a wine/champagne comes from its aroma/smell rather than its "taste" per se.

    Biologically speaking, although our sense of smell pales in comparison to many other mammals, our olfactory capability (in our nose) is still superior to our "tasting" capability (taste buds on our tongue).

    This is the main reason why some wine drinkers swirl/gurgle their wine in their mouth when tasting. The swirl/gurgle allows the aroma to develop in the mouth cavity (leading eventually to our nose). So, yes, there is a "scientific" rationale for that otherwise boorish behavior ...

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  61. Reminds me of an Article by aphexbrett · · Score: 1

    This story reminds me of an article I saw here. Looks like story has a link to the C&EN article and the original article that appeared in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry.

  62. Scientists crack champagne bubble size problem by cheezus · · Score: 1

    Still no cure for cancer.

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  63. GREAT Timing!!!!! by Rastafarout · · Score: 4, Funny

    This gets posted 2 full DAYS after New Years, and 36 hours before the first Monday morning of 2004.

    THANKS for the timely advice! I'll keep that piece of useless information firmly stored in my head for another 360-ish!!

  64. "The answer is pretty obvious"? by DownTheLongRoad · · Score: 1

    Really? I would not have thought that. I might have thought, "It has something to do with the bubbles" but not "It's because more bubbles are releasing the flavor and aroma in my mouth". Is it always necessary to make commentary when submitting a story? Are not the details by themselves enough? Not even good commentary mind you, just mindless babble.

  65. You got it backwards by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1
    Please, it's the red wine and the ale that matter. The food is secondary. If you feel that certain types of drink and food go together please get your priorities straight. :-)

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  66. Good vinters, yes...scientific minds? no... by FatSean · · Score: 1, Funny

    Not that that is a bad thing..but...I can't stop laughing. I'm gonna build a fucking pyramid over my bed so my sperm align in the best arrangement for effective fertilization...weeee....

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  67. I`m on a Different Wavelength ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I`m always amazed at the way people talk about alcoholic drinks as if they have any importance whatsoever.

    When I was young I used to watch adults drinking and expected that one day I would follow in their footsteps - I thought that`s what happened as you grew up. I`m now middle aged and although I have tried I find the taste of alcoholic drinks revolting (for want of another word). In many other respects my palette would seem to be the same as any other adult - in fact I even like the smell of beer, shame about the awful taste. Why is it that alcoholic drinks taste dreadful to me (with an apparently average palette) but the majority of the population seem to regard them as the second coming ?

    1. Re:I`m on a Different Wavelength ... by Spinality · · Score: 1

      Probably because they taste bad to you but taste good to most of the rest of us. We aren't pretending we like the taste -- we really do like it. Anyway, chacun a son gout: each to his own taste.

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  68. More things that made it better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's something known for all people of "champagne" like producing areas. (I'm from Catalonia).
    One more thing to see the quality of a "cava" (as we call it here) is that the bubbles had to be going up in a straight line and draw a "crown" once on the top (We have a word for it "coronar")
    That has been studied from years in all enology departments of our universities.
    If they only search a little on google they could find some papers on the subject(In a minute I found: http://www.tdx.cesca.es/TESIS_URV/AVAILABLE/TDX-01 15103-114605/1IndexJustifiobjectius.pdf
    for example. It's in catalan, suppose that's the problem. And I suppose a lot of like this in French will be around there also.

  69. Re:If only by nelsonal · · Score: 1

    In a more clear manner, he is saying unless you want to blow the price of a new Pentium on a bottle of sparkling wine, avoide the prestige name houses. They have some cheaper stuff, but it is not nearly as good. The less well known houses, are more likely to give you a much better bottle for the same price as the value bottles from a well known house, and that's very good advice.

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  70. No, the answer is even simpler. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NOTHING will make champagne taste acceptable.

  71. WHAT ABOUT FOR CUNTBUBBLES? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  72. duh by Boss+Sauce · · Score: 1
    quoting the quoter's quotes:
    The answer is pretty obvious.
    sigh... for your searching pleasure: http://manyforms.blogspot.com
  73. duh! by Boss+Sauce · · Score: 1
    quoting the quoter's citation:
    The answer is pretty obvious.
    This made /. how?

    searches

  74. Re:Chamagne goes with everything -- red wine doesn by gtrubetskoy · · Score: 1
    You can have it with dinner, at a party, or even for breakfast.

    Breakfast... It's 2:30pm and I haven't had breakfast yet, writing code while the kids demolish the house.... Champagne sounds like a great idea right now!

  75. Causes of bubble size by ElectricRook · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From my saltwater aquarium days, I noticed that bubble size is related to higher salinity; which is also related to water density. I imagine these also affect surface tension too.

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  76. The Lesson of This Story by hao2lian · · Score: 1

    Size really does matter.

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  77. sometimes sugar? by sbma44 · · Score: 1

    I thought the addition of sugar was always necessary to provide fuel for the secondary fermentation?

    1. Re:sometimes sugar? by phayes · · Score: 1

      Not always. Some wines have enough sugar left over after the primary fermentation, so no sugar is needed. I don't know how often they need to add sugar as the winegrowers I have talked to have different stories. Most say that the other guys always have to add sugar while they rarely/never need to...

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    2. Re:sometimes sugar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Originally "brut" meant that no additional sugar was added to the bottle for the secondary fermentation. Generally though that term now means a wine made in that style - or as dry as can be expected for a given cuvee.

      Occasionally you'll see a bottling marked "natural" which is an indication that no sugar dosage was used.

    3. Re:sometimes sugar? by Poulpy · · Score: 1

      The true name for a Champagne without any sugar addition is "sans dosage" which can be translated as "without any additive".

      Regards,
      Poulpy.

      PS: Sorry, I missed the preview button for the previous posts.

  78. Re:Chamagne goes with everything -- red wine doesn by slowbad · · Score: 1

    'fizz' help cleanse the palatte between mouthfuls so that you can get the full taste sensation from the 20th bite as you did with the 1st.

    And if you still any left in the bottle after that 20th gulp, HERE'S how you make those bubblies last long enough to cleanse the palatte the next morning between bites of quiche:

    "Set a silver spoon, stem side down, into an open bottle of champagne. This should keep the sparkle alive for a day or two in your refrigerator"

  79. Re:While you're enjoying the bubbles and the aroma by thelexx · · Score: 1

    Not sure of the chemistry, but I do know that about four glasses of champagne can make me feel worse the next day than an entire bottle of sake. While not hangover free, I've found nothing I like to drink that has as mild of an after-effect.

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  80. To each his own, I prefer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..the sweet smell of an organically grown sativa.

    go to http://www.emeryseeds.com (sure he is an egomaniac who makes Steinbrenner look like a buddhist monk but hes got great choice)
    and you will see that cannabis connaiseurs are just as anal as boozers.

    After years of buying commercial indicas that would leave you couchlocked like you werer reading /. all day, the uplifting pleasant and energizing buzz of a fine Haze is really a welcome change.

    After years of playing hockey, soccer and rugby and drinking myself into a coma with the lads, bud helps to unwind without having to worry about hangovers. (we all also dont have urine fetishists here!)

    gert

  81. your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All of these have supposedly are possible.

    You're welcome...

    Oh, and I positively adore my T23, although Win2K sucks. One of these days I'll get off my ass and get Linux of one flavor or another installed on it.

  82. Re:If only by e.colli · · Score: 0

    I live in a wine producer region close to an Chandom Winery. They import the famous Don Perignon champagne and sell for US500 a bottle. In a visit I asked to the him proved and if it really worth that, and they said that was "almost the same thing" the other who costs U$10... :) It's the price of the "grife"

  83. Re:If only by Zoop · · Score: 1

    I don't take advice from a dude who uses "creamy texture" and "welcomed by the back of my throat" in the same sentence.

    I take it you're not a fan of "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy," then.

  84. Good science? by steppin_razor_LA · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I only read the discovery article, but the science seems a bit weak to me.

    From what I gather, they took a number of sparkling wines that were rated of different qualities and then tried to determine the difference. Given this methodology, its not at all surprising that they found that the size of the bubbles was the differentiator since I was under the impression it was already well known that smaller bubbles was better.

    If the wine tasting community already believed that smaller bubbles were better and that influenced their ranking, then it shouldn't be too surprising that the study turned up a correlation.

    Perhaps I'm not giving the study enough credit -- because Discovery doesn't go into that level of detail... but I hope that they used some sort of blind taste test w/ people other than trained wine tasters to establish the ranking system for the different champagnes that they tested...

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  85. Hangovers... by Cyno01 · · Score: 3, Informative

    An EMT friend of mine (not a doctor, but still) informed me that a hangover is caused mostly by dehydration, as you mentioned, and vitamin deficiency. Alcohol dehydrates you and with that also saps out all the water soluble vitamins. He said a surefire cure for a hangover is 2 ibuprofin, like 5 multivitamins and at least 2 summerfest cups(su of mesurment for milwaukee) of water. Its worked for me pretty well, got pretty trashed wed night, took vitamins before bed and felt pretty good in the morning (well, i didn't get up till late afternoon). Also as you mentioned, impurities are also a factor, cheap liquor is a guaranteed hangover. Spring a couple of extra bucks for Kettle 1 instead of some cheap vodka and your head will thank you in the morning.

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    1. Re:Hangovers... by sugar+and+acid · · Score: 1

      Yep, it's a combination of a vitamin deficiency (B6 i think), dehydration, and the metabolism of left over residual methanol and other nasty impurities which are just by-products of fermentation.

      Good ways to avoid hangovers, and help hangovers once you have them. Drink water, and take something to replace B vitamins, vegemite and cheese with sandwiches are the ducks nuts in this regard.

      Properly distilled spirits (like good vodka, whiskey, gin etc.) purifies the ethanol and removes methanol and other nasty impurities, so the toxic breakdown products of these impurites aren't as bad, but if you drink spirits close to straight you get even more dehydrated

      Improperly distilled spirits (worse case being moon-shine) can some times do the reverse and increase the amount of impurities, which is one of the dangers of illegal home distilled spirits.

    2. Re:Hangovers... by dnoyeb · · Score: 1

      Thats bullshit.

      Alcohol + sugar = massive hangover.
      Alcohol - sugar = mild hangover.

      The difference is in sugar, not water and yet the hangover effect is drastically changed.

      I believe subconciously this is why older folks drink their beverages straight or on the rocks, but rarely fruity tooty.

      Notwithstanding alcohol and coffee are both diuretics, and they knock out vitamins.

    3. Re:Hangovers... by Cyno01 · · Score: 1
      None of what i said is bullshit, but you are correct also, the forced metabolism of sugar AND alcohol by your body will accelerate the depletion of B vitamins and make the hangover worse. From: http://rupissed.com...

      A hangover is caused by a combination of the toxic by-product of alcohol metabolism (acetaldehyde), dehydration, and Vitamin A, B (particularly B6) and C depletion caused by the chemical action of alcohol on your system. The symptoms are usually a dry mouth, nausea, fatigue, dizziness and headache and are caused by a combination of these factors.

      Apart from the obvious toxic effects, you should realise you're suffering the effects of a mild overdose of a depressant drug and your nerves are reacting accordingly, and you have also flushed a signifnicant quantity of vitamins and nutrients from your system causing a degree of metabolic shock that your body is struggling to compensate against. This is why hangover symptoms often include disorientation and "the jitters".

      Some drinks give you worse hangovers than others due to the actions of impurities called Congeners. While it's the ethyl alcohol (ethanol) that gets you drunk, amyl alcohol, butyl alcohol, methyl alcohol, propyl alcohol, and isopropyl alcohol is also found in most drinks to varying degrees, and the concentration of these Congeners will go a long way to determining the severity of the hangover.

      Vodka and gin (clear liquors) are generally lower in congeners than whisky, rum and bourbon, due to the filtering process involved, and hence usually give a less intense hangover. Unfortunately the congeners also give flavor, smell and appearance to alcohol.

      Another contributor to the hangover is the "freshness" of the alcohol since the natural oxidation product of ethanol is also acetaldehyde. Finishing off an already open bottle of red, or drinking beer that's been in the boot of your car for a week, will provide you with a ready made supply of acetaldehyde so you don't have to wait for your liver to make it in order to have a really good hangover.

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    4. Re:Hangovers... by dnoyeb · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I recind my declaration of "Bullshit."

  86. 1..2...3... profit by zakezuke · · Score: 1

    1. Buy wine two seasons before the winter, and prime them your self, add sugar and yeast to produce small bubbles
    2. Sell them in the holidays
    3. Profit!

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  87. food/wine geekdom by andrew71 · · Score: 0


    to be precise, it's not just the size of the bubbles (they're called perlage, after the French word for "pearl"), but their number and shape to account for the overall quality.

    In Italy (my own country), sparkling wine is called spumante (Asti is just a brand, named after a city in the northweastern side, although very popular).

    Sparkling wines are classified by the vinification method. here is a sample. I am all but knowledgeable about white/sparkling wines, but I believe a broader nomenclature exists.

    and see what they call 15 litres of wine... props for a good Matrix pun.

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  88. Burning bread and letting it get cold ... by billstewart · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... on the other hand, is an English invention.

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  89. Re:If only by BenV666 · · Score: 1

    Seems you have no problem with it either ;)

  90. I am... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sxe, you insensitive clod!

  91. Re:If only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was probably trying to cheer you up.

  92. The party's over. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude! The party's over. Go home!

  93. After New Year's Eve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (or more specifically, after new year's day), I don't even want to think about Champagne, you insensitive clod!

  94. Practical? by owlstead · · Score: 1

    So now we go to the store and count the bubbles? Or the size of them? With tiny meters? And don't we have to open the champagne before we get bubbles?

    Oh well, if I get to a restaurant and get a glass with big bubbles I will send it back. Waiter, could I get another glass? The bubbles are too big.

    Sheesh.

  95. I thought this sounded familiar by buckeyeguy · · Score: 1
    and yes, it has been covered before: in Scientific American.

    The idea, of course, is to put the making of a fermented beverage under the microscope of science, but I see by the above posts that the discussion has degenerated into another US vs. Euro pissing match. Hmph.

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  96. I have never had an alcoholic beverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, I can't add anything to the discussion.

    1. Re:I have never had an alcoholic beverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right on! Don't screw up your brain with rotten fruit juice!

  97. Re:Chamagne goes with everything -- red wine doesn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personally, I'm of the opinion that champagne tastes like carbonated gasoline and goes best with the drain, but your milage may vary.

  98. That easy, huh ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Neat ! Now, *where* is that ultrassound transducer... ?

    Wait ! Has anyone ever tried to sonoluminesce champagne ? Or "sparkling wine" ? Or say "sonoluminesce" after having a few glasses ? Which brand will give the best effect ?

    Damn! The tesla's out on loan again!

  99. Respectability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is automatic, when they succeed in associating, as rational, sentient humanoids.

  100. hey, you fixed it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and you didn't even say 'thanks'

    jeez, what an ingrateful clod... :(

    1. Re:hey, you fixed it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could, you know, email me or something. ;)

  101. Re:Chamagne goes with everything -- red wine doesn by kinaidos · · Score: 1

    Oddly enough the one red wine that goes consistently well with most fish is Pinot Noir which is also the principle grape in champagne, at least in most cuvee. The grape works with fish because the acids tend not to be as astringent. I suspect the same acidity without astringency helps give champagne it's crispness. As for Riesling, I think any riesling, dry or not, goes pretty well with most fish, though it has to be a good Riesling with a nice acidic core. But something like a Loosens's MSR Spatlese goes pretty well even with swordfish or salmon. On the other hand you can go wrong pairing white wine and fish too. Chardonnay tends to taste like stainless steel when drunk with salmon. A Loire style Sauv. blanc is generally safe, but not exactly fitting for something like Sole. Champagne goes with most foods safely, but I can't imagine enjoying it with a good steak, roast etc. Then again it would probably be finished before the main course, so would it matter?

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  102. Really informative, but... by Poulpy · · Score: 1

    ... the Champagne winegrowers association just defended their name, not a f**cking process patent. Would you allow anyone stealing your name?

    I bet Linus would have done the same if MS (or anyone else) used the Linux name for one of their own product without any respect to the GPL.

    What about a 100% Champagne compatible label?

    Best regards and
    Meilleurs voeux!

    Poulpy.

  103. Sans dosage?a by Poulpy · · Score: 1

    The true name for a Champagne without any sugar addition is "sans dosage" which could barely be translated as "whithout

  104. Corrected and continued... by Poulpy · · Score: 1

    "without any additives". Regards, Poulpy.

  105. true geeks don't drink - alcohol shrinks the brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do not think anyone on slashdot (especially someone who has debugged badly written code) should encouraged. Medical science has shown (for all common sense purposes), that alcohol shrinks the brain reducing cognitive abilities and motor functions. This (again for all common sense purposes) is an undesirable thing. Here is some info about the recent Johns Hopkins study:


    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-920 73 0,00.html

    Me, I haven't had a drink in 3 weeks. Still drinking lots of coffee though! Eventually I will switch to water and roasted grain beverages.

    *CHEERS* [Raising my sparkling non-alcholic apple
    cider]

  106. True, but the price is not an absolut sign... by Poulpy · · Score: 1

    ... I just got an amazing deal on real good Champagne (I live near Champagne, France) at 5.6 (euro) a bottle. IANAT (tastewine-r) but still can pretend having some taste ;)

  107. Probably been beet to death. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OF course...

    <Don Ho>

    Tiny bubbles
    In the Wine
    Make me feel happy
    Make me feel fine...

    </Don Ho>

  108. Re:While you're enjoying the bubbles and the aroma by jcoy42 · · Score: 1

    When I was 19 I spilled some everclear on the countertop at the apartment. I cleaned it up within 5 minutes- but it had already eaten through about a millimeter of the surface.

    Scary stuff to be drinking strait (I have, but rarely after that).

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  109. Re:Chamagne goes with everything -- red wine doesn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my mileage varies, but not by much. i think it tastes like carbonated and diluted vomit ;)

  110. Re:Chamagne goes with everything -- red wine doesn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Champagne does not mix well with Nachos... (i.e., corn tortilla chips slathered with queso blanco or cheddar, maybe "spicy" beef and frijoles refritos or frijoles negros, some jalapenos, and stuck under the broiler for about 30 seconds or so to melt the cheese).

    I would hate to see what happens to the stomach that has Champagne and Cheez-Whiz in it at the same time...

  111. Re:While you're enjoying the bubbles and the aroma by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

    Actually, champagne gets you drunk faster than other types of booze! No, really. It contains ethyl pyrocarbinate, which enters the bloodstream faster than ordinary ethanol.

  112. Yeux de crapaud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what the French call cheap champagne with big bubbles. The ACS may have published "their" results, but the French have know for years about tiny bubbles.

  113. Reaction From a Professional Vintner by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1
    I forwarded this article to a friend who makes several well regarded Methode Chamenoise bubblies professionally. Here is his reaction:

    This string is highly informative of the fine line between uninformed and misinformed. The study mentioned was either poorly conducted or deliberately misleading. I suspect the latter as it included beer and carbonated water. Real science would use controlled factors, such as the same base wine, same storage conditions, etc. As to the 'sparkling wine' in the study, we are not informed whether it is injection carbonated, bulk transfer, bottle transfer, or traditional method(methode champenoise). These processes all contribute or detract from the flavor of finished wine. Do apples taste better than oranges? I think so, but I wouldn't then draw conclusions about the organaleptic superiority of malic acid over citric acid.


    In my research, evidence about a correlation between bubble size and gustatory quality is mixed. Cited in the following article is one of many studies that draws a more ambivalent conclusion, but I have read others as well. There is also an explanation of the Guiness cascade effect.


    However, bubble science itself is wicked cool.


    By the way, according to the EU, the term 'methode champenoise' referring to wines grown and produced outside of Champagne, also causes enough confusion so as to be banned in Europe. While I agree with protection of appellation through regulation-mainly because businesses have proven they will stoop to any prevarication in order to increase sales-this one I would have to disagree with as it is a description of process and it seems to me it is done in a respectful and even deferential way. The term used now is 'methode traditionelle' or 'traditional method.'
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  114. Re:While you're enjoying the bubbles and the aroma by babbage · · Score: 1

    The advice I was given by the med school older brother of a friend in college was that the major problem with hangovers is the dehydration, for which he suggested two simple remedies:

    • Drink as much water as you can stomach before going to bed drunk. It's the obvious remedy to dehydration, and it also helps flush out your system.
    • Try to eat a couple of slices of bread with the water, as it can soak up some of the alcohol and provides some nutrients as well.

    Another commenter suggested taking vitamins, which doesn't sound like a bad idea, but I've used the simple bread & water trick to help many people avoid waking up with a nasty headache after they drank too much, and for most of them it worked pretty well.

  115. Cava cheap plonk? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    For a second it seemedlike you knew what you were talking about....

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  116. Blah, blah, blah. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    All that would be well and good if the US was not permitting the hijacking of names like Basmati or Roiboss.

    All your quasi logical apology sounds hollow when you learn what US companies have tried to make of names like these.

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    1. Re:Blah, blah, blah. by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Straw man. I'm not defending the assanine position of letting a US company patent Basmati rice and register a trademark on the name. I just dislike the EU's PDO designation system and their attempts to foist their own madness on the rest of the world via the WTO. I'm actually rooting for India to overrule the US's madness in letting RiceTec get its way.

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  117. Nope. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Nowadays you can buy some decent champagne at very reasonable prices, it has stopped to be the preserve of the upper rich.

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  118. Well.. how could you call Scotch anything else? by deprogram · · Score: 1

    I mean, really. Here's something that has it's value in a long history of high manufacturing standards and basic quality. Likewise, it would be ridiculous to allow imitators to simply label their products 'Scotch' regardless of their country of origin.

    As far as I know, this is enforced internationally by... I'm not sure what. Intimidation? However, it works - you can tip back your glass of Balvenie assured that it does indeed contain snow from the mountains of Scotland.

    I actually think that's a good thing. Huh, fancy that :p