Normally I don't answer to my own post, but this is not Goedel completness theorem. I just can't seem to remmember thwat is the proof of completness of C. Oh well...
Number which cannot be expressed as a mean of a division of two integer. For example PI, Square Root 2, Exp (1) etc... Those numbe do exists. but they do Not belong to the rational ensemble.
For kicker :
|N
Which read , natural integer ensemble N is included in positive and negative integer ensemble Z , which is included in rational ensemble Q, which is included in real ensemble R which is included into complex ensemble C at which point a therom (completness theorem?) says there is no ensemble in which C is included and is "greater".
I am a physiker (Physicist?) and worked with a lot of mathematiker (mathematics?). Until recently I programmed on big irons & clusters. We all used only one thingas : Fortran. We programmed on cray, On Origin, on cluster. And we (many groups over many countries) used Fortran. Why is that ? 40 Years worth of mathematical libraries. Extremly optimised compiler code, generating machine code as packed as direct assembler code. And a community you can talk to to get code snippet or code solutions hand on. MPI with years over years of experience.
Fat chance in hell any of us use anything *BUT* fortran. Why should we care for new language which do NOT BRING ANYTHING to us and force us to port many many libraries, debug again what is mostly now bug free, and start over ? Man. Get a clue. And Make a MS-FOrtran for that cluster and MAYBE if for the same price we get better performance you might get a chance. But for worst performance and same price... And forcing another language... Only a manager would buy such a system for scientifics, and the scientific would snicker while formating all HD and install an OS where High performant Fortran does exists.
As for security... What security ? By the time your are on the cluster you should already have been thru with security, through a front end. The Cluster is to be used for high performance calculation NOT for securly checking bounds of arrays.
Frankly I think this offer is only directed towward marketing/enterprise which use their cluster for ANYTHING but mathematics.
You do not justify why this should be limited to those 16... Why not electricity for example ? Seeing the california disaster , I think many californian would agree... Bottom line what comes in your list of "governement funded" and not funded is only philosophy or politic. And if it is politic, then why not : 17 free communication to uphold free speech (since private ISP can redux free speech at will, well I jsut found a reason to have municipality funded communication !).
Aside the blah-blah about gods (with a small g) created the world and yada yada, If you go beyond the religious (unprovable) statement, then the gods of each civilisation were a by product of those civilisation's history and social environement. Do you really think Anubis stood for the old egyptian in the afterworld to judge them (or was it Horus?) or did the egyptian imagine the jackal God and gave him a position as watcher of the Dead ? Do you really think Hades and Cerberus exists or was it a mythos formed by the grec society ?
This is why the coment above was modded as insightful. Naturally if you are a believer in *any* God I perfectly understand this rattle you.
After all, you can for copyright infrigement and redistribution (aka, copying bits and bytes when not authorised) get a stiffer penalty and prison stay than , say, when doing a rape or killing somebody.
No Flash. Java mostly blocked. No pop up allowed. People speaks about a recrudescence of pop up and floater and whatever, but really, if you shut every of those annoying extension down (and frankly they are mostly used for annoying effect) then your (browsing) life get "better". As for web site which REQUIRE you to have flash/java/shocked/whatever then either they are important and then I bring up iexplore.exe, or I jsut ignore them and go to another site to browse.
You are comparing a pure meccanical phenomen (friction of tectonic plate having a probability to provok earthquake within a certain epriod of time and thus a tsunami) to a social phenomen. The difference is that you cannot reason / change your environemental politic to avoid Tsunami, but you can VERY WELL change your foreign politic to lessen or even avoid the threat of terrorism. And if you REALLY think that terrorism is only a matter of probability instead of politic, then you world perpsective is, allow me, really screwed pessismisticaly up IMO.
Here around when there is a clearly marked bicycle path (where only bicycle are allwoed) then they are NOT secondary road. They belong to the main road and car turning have to pay attention to bicycle the same way car turning have to pay attention to other incoming car traffic. If in the US the bicycle specific path are considered secondary road, then really this is screwed up. But I can imagine reading the way the grand parent post write that like most US citizen he is a vehicule driver which do not care that much for pedestrian (they are tolerated) and for other road user like bicycle (the "superjock" get it coming at them when a faster , heavier vehicule on a primary road break their paltry secondary road).
Finished drug product take a long time sometimes as much as 10 years to come to the mass(sic) market. This could be potentially far longer since 1) this is not even a finished product only some research which might or might not pan out, have to be peer reproduced etc... 2) this is more than a drug, this is a retrovirus therapy and you bet the FDA and other local country equivalent will want to CYA since this is very novel.
Quote of the BoingBoing Article : "recently discovered that it's now illegal to publish photographs of the Eiffel Tower at night". Tourist and whatnot can photography and get away with it as long as they do not publish the resulting photo (aka: they keep everything for private usage). Well I ve got news for you : many of the public monument and/or sculpture and painting which are "well known" have copyright notice on their reproduction on photo. This is how some museum recoup loss : by selling right to publish photography on mona Lisa for example. If you come along and photography the mona lisa and sell / publish the photo then you are violating those copyright. Mind you, if I remmember the french law, you could still make a reproduction of the nighttime Eiffel tower in another format, like oil painting and be safe. Only some sort of publication like hpoto are protected.
I never heard of SciFi before the net and before the infamous scifi tv channel was born. It was always referenced as "SF genre", in bibliothek under the "SF thema" and we wrote about SF book. Heck it was sometimes SPOKEN as S.F. but first time I heard of it as SciFi in the last 25 years was in the late 99 on the net. Now granted it could also be a country/culture difference on how you name it.
Which explain why there was at yet no charge retained against the new suspect. Nevertheless to those usually saying "if you have nothing to hide you do not need privacy" well this is one example of WHY we want privacy. Instead of searching for hard proof, the police seems to have only concentrated on circumstancial evidence (supermarket sale, and dog go right to the door).
"What if we are dealing with something resembling a neural net, and the easiest way to describe it fully is to depict the states of all neurons and the relations between them? What if that is simply too much to depict?"
It does not matter whether it is too hard to use as description or whatever. The point I think the parent poster had, is, right now the only scientific explanation for consciousness (sic) is the brain, nothing more. If you have another hypothese involving more than signal coming from and going out of the brain for consciousness, please tell us. And then if you can falsify it and prove it, you not only get the right to be modded insightful, but also get a medicine and biology nobel price ! Isn't science wonderful ?
OTOH if you have nothing but conjecture that something else than the brain is the siege of consciousness, then frankly you are quite clearly diping in the "belief" side.
Even History book coming from extrem majority christian religious country do not put "jesus" as a proven existence. Heck, try for example Hindu or chinese history books and text (please no religious text book) and citate me on which page it says Jesus has a proven existence.
"the existence of a historical figure named Jesus is commonly accepted by Christians and non-Christians alike" is the worst of all. Please look back for publication which purport that and sooner or later you will find out that there are no proof beyond oral stories and written stuff up until 4th century AC.
Like all people you are confunding "commonly accepted existence" (aka without proof) and prooved existence.
Look at this quote : "Scientists differ as to whether global warming is caused by man-made emissions of carbon dioxide and other "greenhouse" gases, by natural climate cycles or if it exists at all. "
This look suspiciously like one of those article which gives same air time to proponent of different theory even if the extrem majority of the community support one theory ("there is global warming") and only a few scientist, many having prooven link to the bush administration/petroleum industry support the other ("there is no global warming")
alone this "even if it exists at all" be given same weight as the rest make the rest of the article suspect.
Furthermiore as other poster remarked, the rest is not about "fossile fuel burning helps global warming" but rather "fossile fuel generate OTHER polluant which alleviate the CO2 problem". Frankly do you know what does sulfur does to the vegetation ? Do you know what Acid rain is ? Well next time you are in some aprt of Europe have a good look at what it did to the trees.
Yahho SCOX share price
Click on 5d, 1d or 3m. It looks like it is still hovering around 4.0 something. heck the price looks higher than it was 3 monthes ago... It is only a 12% plunge and it rose again soon after 3 to 5% more (4.5->4.0->4.2 circa).
[rant mode on]
I mean the video game industry is maybe 10bn$ but quality is down the gutter. Same for film industry. I mean just look at how they transformed a good story from Asimov into a action flick. How many film made you think recently ? How many classical like "once upon the time in the west", or even "The Seventh Seal" and many other ? The game industry had become what I always hated in the last 10 years about the film industry : more and more copying and reusing the same sucessful "recept" for the mass (Shooter Episode VII : the return of the evil priester) and few and far original game.
[/rant mode off]
Even simpler, go to a random internet caffe every day, use a random chat cleint on a random server using passphrase convenied in advance. Why make it complicated when you only need good legs or a good trnasportation system in a good metropole to avoid wiretapping ?
Hey, sorry but it sounds to me that they are using a hole in a digital system to allow free usage of the PHYSICAL property of somebody else. I will leave to IP philosophe whether to copy IP is stealing or not, but to use somebody else property because the lock is not strong enough is obvious STEALING and VANDALISM. How about going into somebody else flat, eating their food, sleeping in their bed, because their digital alarm system with door code can be easily hacked with the maintenance password ? What on slashdot next ? How to steal a car by bypassing ignition key system ???
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Science never suppose the existence or the inexistence of supra-human entity. It isn't a question of SCOPE, it is a question of REPRODUCIBILITY and PROOF (falsibility?). True it is entirely possible a God exists, but there is no proof either toward existence or non-existence. But using the existence of God as an hypothesis for a explanation of a phenomennon make it belong to religion/philosophy, not science. That is, unleess you can prove God exists. then it would belong to science to. Thus the argument of the original poster that creationism is not science and should not belong to biology teaching is 100% right.
Homeopathic remedy for AIDS ?
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Sending Homeopathic remedy for AIDS to a country is not bad science. It is murder pure and simple. You might jsut as well give them sweets and tell them it is a medicament. Oh , wait...
Terrorist instead of using an expensive GPS tracked device, use the old "visual" guidance missile (can't remmember the name), or put themselves in a truck loaded with diesel fuel and chemicals and ram it in the building they want to target. Heck Mc veigh with his truck and bombing did not need GPS. Even better , we are speaking here of people which do not qualm at dying for their cause. So they have de-facto ther best guidance system of the world : themselves. So i do not think terrorist are the key here.
I think the key is that the US military ensure they have an incredible advantage over the opposition, so degradation should be there only in case of military operation. I seriously doubt that a degradation would occurs on US soil just for anti-terrorist purpose.
Maybe I should have said P.I.N. instead of pin:P. But i still stand that I want a password/Personal number so that nobody can use my body parts alone to open/enable a security feature like ATM.
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Normally I don't answer to my own post, but this is not Goedel completness theorem. I just can't seem to remmember thwat is the proof of completness of C. Oh well...
Number which cannot be expressed as a mean of a division of two integer. For example PI, Square Root 2, Exp (1) etc... Those numbe do exists. but they do Not belong to the rational ensemble.
For kicker : |N Which read , natural integer ensemble N is included in positive and negative integer ensemble Z , which is included in rational ensemble Q, which is included in real ensemble R which is included into complex ensemble C at which point a therom (completness theorem?) says there is no ensemble in which C is included and is "greater".
I am a physiker (Physicist?) and worked with a lot of mathematiker (mathematics?). Until recently I programmed on big irons & clusters. We all used only one thingas : Fortran. We programmed on cray, On Origin, on cluster. And we (many groups over many countries) used Fortran. Why is that ? 40 Years worth of mathematical libraries. Extremly optimised compiler code, generating machine code as packed as direct assembler code. And a community you can talk to to get code snippet or code solutions hand on. MPI with years over years of experience.
... And forcing another language... Only a manager would buy such a system for scientifics, and the scientific would snicker while formating all HD and install an OS where High performant Fortran does exists.
Fat chance in hell any of us use anything *BUT* fortran. Why should we care for new language which do NOT BRING ANYTHING to us and force us to port many many libraries, debug again what is mostly now bug free, and start over ? Man. Get a clue. And Make a MS-FOrtran for that cluster and MAYBE if for the same price we get better performance you might get a chance. But for worst performance and same price
As for security... What security ? By the time your are on the cluster you should already have been thru with security, through a front end. The Cluster is to be used for high performance calculation NOT for securly checking bounds of arrays.
Frankly I think this offer is only directed towward marketing/enterprise which use their cluster for ANYTHING but mathematics.
You do not justify why this should be limited to those 16... Why not electricity for example ? Seeing the california disaster , I think many californian would agree... Bottom line what comes in your list of "governement funded" and not funded is only philosophy or politic. And if it is politic, then why not : 17 free communication to uphold free speech (since private ISP can redux free speech at will, well I jsut found a reason to have municipality funded communication !).
Aside the blah-blah about gods (with a small g) created the world and yada yada, If you go beyond the religious (unprovable) statement, then the gods of each civilisation were a by product of those civilisation's history and social environement . Do you really think Anubis stood for the old egyptian in the afterworld to judge them (or was it Horus?) or did the egyptian imagine the jackal God and gave him a position as watcher of the Dead ? Do you really think Hades and Cerberus exists or was it a mythos formed by the grec society ?
This is why the coment above was modded as insightful. Naturally if you are a believer in *any* God I perfectly understand this rattle you.
After all, you can for copyright infrigement and redistribution (aka, copying bits and bytes when not authorised) get a stiffer penalty and prison stay than , say, when doing a rape or killing somebody.
No Flash. Java mostly blocked. No pop up allowed. People speaks about a recrudescence of pop up and floater and whatever, but really, if you shut every of those annoying extension down (and frankly they are mostly used for annoying effect) then your (browsing) life get "better". As for web site which REQUIRE you to have flash/java/shocked/whatever then either they are important and then I bring up iexplore.exe, or I jsut ignore them and go to another site to browse.
You are comparing a pure meccanical phenomen (friction of tectonic plate having a probability to provok earthquake within a certain epriod of time and thus a tsunami) to a social phenomen. The difference is that you cannot reason / change your environemental politic to avoid Tsunami, but you can VERY WELL change your foreign politic to lessen or even avoid the threat of terrorism. And if you REALLY think that terrorism is only a matter of probability instead of politic, then you world perpsective is, allow me, really screwed pessismisticaly up IMO.
Here around when there is a clearly marked bicycle path (where only bicycle are allwoed) then they are NOT secondary road. They belong to the main road and car turning have to pay attention to bicycle the same way car turning have to pay attention to other incoming car traffic. If in the US the bicycle specific path are considered secondary road, then really this is screwed up. But I can imagine reading the way the grand parent post write that like most US citizen he is a vehicule driver which do not care that much for pedestrian (they are tolerated) and for other road user like bicycle (the "superjock" get it coming at them when a faster , heavier vehicule on a primary road break their paltry secondary road).
Finished drug product take a long time sometimes as much as 10 years to come to the mass(sic) market. This could be potentially far longer since 1) this is not even a finished product only some research which might or might not pan out, have to be peer reproduced etc... 2) this is more than a drug, this is a retrovirus therapy and you bet the FDA and other local country equivalent will want to CYA since this is very novel.
At least HIV mutate a lot, As Far As I Remmember. Also the cold virus (grippe?) mutate a lot this why you have to vaccinate every year AFAIR.
mutability of influenza
some propaganda but also speaks of HIV mutability. I did not have time to search for more HIV article but google is your friend.
Quote of the BoingBoing Article : "recently discovered that it's now illegal to publish photographs of the Eiffel Tower at night". Tourist and whatnot can photography and get away with it as long as they do not publish the resulting photo (aka: they keep everything for private usage). Well I ve got news for you : many of the public monument and/or sculpture and painting which are "well known" have copyright notice on their reproduction on photo. This is how some museum recoup loss : by selling right to publish photography on mona Lisa for example. If you come along and photography the mona lisa and sell / publish the photo then you are violating those copyright. Mind you, if I remmember the french law, you could still make a reproduction of the nighttime Eiffel tower in another format, like oil painting and be safe. Only some sort of publication like hpoto are protected.
I never heard of SciFi before the net and before the infamous scifi tv channel was born. It was always referenced as "SF genre", in bibliothek under the "SF thema" and we wrote about SF book. Heck it was sometimes SPOKEN as S.F. but first time I heard of it as SciFi in the last 25 years was in the late 99 on the net. Now granted it could also be a country/culture difference on how you name it.
Which explain why there was at yet no charge retained against the new suspect. Nevertheless to those usually saying "if you have nothing to hide you do not need privacy" well this is one example of WHY we want privacy. Instead of searching for hard proof, the police seems to have only concentrated on circumstancial evidence (supermarket sale, and dog go right to the door).
"What if we are dealing with something resembling a neural net, and the easiest way to describe it fully is to depict the states of all neurons and the relations between them? What if that is simply too much to depict?"
It does not matter whether it is too hard to use as description or whatever. The point I think the parent poster had, is, right now the only scientific explanation for consciousness (sic) is the brain, nothing more. If you have another hypothese involving more than signal coming from and going out of the brain for consciousness, please tell us. And then if you can falsify it and prove it, you not only get the right to be modded insightful, but also get a medicine and biology nobel price ! Isn't science wonderful ?
OTOH if you have nothing but conjecture that something else than the brain is the siege of consciousness, then frankly you are quite clearly diping in the "belief" side.
Even History book coming from extrem majority christian religious country do not put "jesus" as a proven existence. Heck, try for example Hindu or chinese history books and text (please no religious text book) and citate me on which page it says Jesus has a proven existence.
"the existence of a historical figure named Jesus is commonly accepted by Christians and non-Christians alike"
is the worst of all. Please look back for publication which purport that and sooner or later you will find out that there are no proof beyond oral stories and written stuff up until 4th century AC.
Like all people you are confunding "commonly accepted existence" (aka without proof) and prooved existence.
Look at this quote : "Scientists differ as to whether global warming is caused by man-made emissions of carbon dioxide and other "greenhouse" gases, by natural climate cycles or if it exists at all. "
This look suspiciously like one of those article which gives same air time to proponent of different theory even if the extrem majority of the community support one theory ("there is global warming") and only a few scientist, many having prooven link to the bush administration/petroleum industry support the other ("there is no global warming")
alone this "even if it exists at all" be given same weight as the rest make the rest of the article suspect.
Furthermiore as other poster remarked, the rest is not about "fossile fuel burning helps global warming" but rather "fossile fuel generate OTHER polluant which alleviate the CO2 problem". Frankly do you know what does sulfur does to the vegetation ? Do you know what Acid rain is ? Well next time you are in some aprt of Europe have a good look at what it did to the trees.
Yahho SCOX share price Click on 5d, 1d or 3m. It looks like it is still hovering around 4.0 something. heck the price looks higher than it was 3 monthes ago... It is only a 12% plunge and it rose again soon after 3 to 5% more (4.5->4.0->4.2 circa).
[rant mode on] I mean the video game industry is maybe 10bn$ but quality is down the gutter. Same for film industry. I mean just look at how they transformed a good story from Asimov into a action flick. How many film made you think recently ? How many classical like "once upon the time in the west", or even "The Seventh Seal" and many other ? The game industry had become what I always hated in the last 10 years about the film industry : more and more copying and reusing the same sucessful "recept" for the mass (Shooter Episode VII : the return of the evil priester) and few and far original game. [/rant mode off]
Even simpler, go to a random internet caffe every day, use a random chat cleint on a random server using passphrase convenied in advance. Why make it complicated when you only need good legs or a good trnasportation system in a good metropole to avoid wiretapping ?
Hey, sorry but it sounds to me that they are using a hole in a digital system to allow free usage of the PHYSICAL property of somebody else. I will leave to IP philosophe whether to copy IP is stealing or not, but to use somebody else property because the lock is not strong enough is obvious STEALING and VANDALISM. How about going into somebody else flat, eating their food, sleeping in their bed, because their digital alarm system with door code can be easily hacked with the maintenance password ? What on slashdot next ? How to steal a car by bypassing ignition key system ???
Science never suppose the existence or the inexistence of supra-human entity. It isn't a question of SCOPE, it is a question of REPRODUCIBILITY and PROOF (falsibility?). True it is entirely possible a God exists, but there is no proof either toward existence or non-existence. But using the existence of God as an hypothesis for a explanation of a phenomennon make it belong to religion/philosophy, not science. That is, unleess you can prove God exists. then it would belong to science to. Thus the argument of the original poster that creationism is not science and should not belong to biology teaching is 100% right.
Sending Homeopathic remedy for AIDS to a country is not bad science. It is murder pure and simple. You might jsut as well give them sweets and tell them it is a medicament. Oh , wait ...
Terrorist instead of using an expensive GPS tracked device, use the old "visual" guidance missile (can't remmember the name), or put themselves in a truck loaded with diesel fuel and chemicals and ram it in the building they want to target. Heck Mc veigh with his truck and bombing did not need GPS. Even better , we are speaking here of people which do not qualm at dying for their cause. So they have de-facto ther best guidance system of the world : themselves. So i do not think terrorist are the key here.
I think the key is that the US military ensure they have an incredible advantage over the opposition, so degradation should be there only in case of military operation. I seriously doubt that a degradation would occurs on US soil just for anti-terrorist purpose.
Maybe I should have said P.I.N. instead of pin :P. But i still stand that I want a password/Personal number so that nobody can use my body parts alone to open/enable a security feature like ATM.