I've not tried it yet to comment wether it looks better. Its C with the OO features of SmallTalk thrown, which makes it sound appealing to me, in the sense its C and has credibile OO features.
www.objective-c.org
I tended to open system.ini and change the link: shell=Explorer.exe to shell=progman.exe for that nostalgic win3.1 look, with the added bounus that ur machine boot loads faster, and since progman dont load/run all the stuff in reg, it has less crap loaded, and to me is far more stable.
ofcoure i found a better way, and now run debian, but i still do this on uni machine. as well as set the background to c:\windows\logos.sys (stretched) just to confuse the luser who uses the machine after me >:)
I'd like to point out something that a lot of non debian (and some debian) people miss, that the official release of woody as stable is realy only the concern of those running production (or mission crittical) machines.
normal desktop users dont realy need to concern them self with this, woody has been plenty ready for desktop (as long as u can afford the big apt-get upgrade d/l each week).
in fact i'v ran woody since last summer, and it has been far more stable then any of the mandrake installs i've had (i use to use mandrake before i switched to debian last summer)
i've encountered plenty of people who run pototoe when i feel they should be at least on woody. I think its what people imagine 'stable' and 'unstable' to be they use their experience with that other proprietory os, which dont realy apply to debian, because as this article points out releasing packages aint as important as testing them, unlike that other os vender
a program not working in sid, aint that likely because the apt-get tends to fail before it gets to install a nasty package, and any way stuff gets fixed quick.
woody/testing only get these packages once they seen to install and run ok in sid, but some less obvious bugs may remain, up until the freeze starts (which it did some time ago) then only packages that fix know problems in woody packages get moved on from sid
potatoe is 2 years old, aint ever going to get younger, bugs are fixed by the security updates, but for a desktop its hopeless, you have no chance of compiling any decent games =)
Heres a trick i used back in my windows days at school.
open a dos prompt c: cd \recycled md games
now install your games to c:\recycled\games\blah, you cant browse to it you have to type the path into the install program. and thats the point their is no way windows is going to let you see any thing in the recycle bin thats not registered as deleted. Dont worry u can click empty recycle bin quite happily.
to run your game open a dos prompt c: cd \recycled\games\blah start game.exe
now no one will ever find it! erm well... bar/. readers =)
Have you ever seen a room of Brand new, realy nice pc in a CS department never used?
well in my uni there is such a room, since the sysadmin installed only Solaris on these i386 no one uses them. nor will i
i was hoping that now sun dropped i386 that these machines would be recovered, b4 their monitors are burnt out, from always being on and solaris not supporting apm to put them in standby.
i doubt sun will ever be able to fully support i386, hell even the i386 unix's dont fully support all i386 hardware
sun isn't going to be able to develop/maintain solaris/sparc and develop/maintain solaris/i386 it'll be too clostly w/o enough reward
API's? I think you forget Microsoft is a huge company. What's to stop you from using the Microsoft Speech component from C#? Nothing. In fact, C# is meant to take advantage of exisiting components. And though Java zealots hate to admit it, that means that there are more than zero API's that C# can use.
you fail to mention existing windows components.
Does Microsoft Speech component run on linux, solaris, mac os x and other non ms os?
you cant say C# has a full API and then use a os dependant API as an example
a/. reader anonymous account with nytime would be very nice
i just tried logins: slashdot/slashdot anonymous/anonymous d ephex/microsoft
non worked, do ny times spot and delete them? i live in uk, are the us only accounts? just thinking their mightbe something they check if these accounts do realy exist
True, when i was installing this bax, I did apt-cache kde | grep ^k, and made a list of what i wanted. point being i missed a few packages, and when i ran KDE i found no konsole, no konqueror and a few other KDE stuff, but what was installed ran fine and didn't care.
look at the pic on www.wehavethewayout.com notice the light shines out from their unix represntation, in to the dark MS world. which way would you go, from the light into the dark or from the dark in to the light?
One thing that concerns me about these plastic case it the lack of metel. ie the metal case on ur machine acts as a farraday cage, preventing out side EM noise interfering with it, and stop it give of interfering radiation.
now with these plastic cases the cage is broken and thus no longer works.
i beleive there are rules (i duno if law) about the fact ur electrical device most not give of (unreasonable) EM noise, and most with stand EM from other devices (eg in US this set by FCC)
how does plastic cases address these concerns, if at all?
I suggest build/installing the latest kernel with the aa VM (the default VM, since 2.4.10). If you still have VM (Swap) problems then go get the latest rmap VM patch and try that.
The kernel VM (Virtual Machine) is what manages memory and sawp, btw.
And if u did miss all the VM stories, a summery:
at the start of 2.4 a new fancy mv was put in to action, using something known as reverse mapping.
this was very clever but it wasn't quite ready and there were teathing troubles
then suddenly (2.4.10) Linus switched VM to one similar to that of 2.3 (with some updates and a few features from the previous 2.4 VM)
This started a big fight, which caused concerns (such that it may split the linux comunity)
which is better i dont know some swer by one other swer the other. but unless ur using RH 2.4.9 kernel i would not recommend a pre 2.4.10 kernel.
however you may need to experiment which is best the VM now in 2.4 (to stay) or rmap, u should try both and see
I dont think so, have you read the page? The only way not to get trapped by robotcop is to obey the robots.txt rules file.
whats the difference between a bad robot obeying rules and a good one?
sure ppl may try to work on robots that dont fall in the honey pot, but those dirs on real servers are not going to be as obvious as in the example, i do think however the random pages that a trapped bot gets is too much of a give away thet your trapped, but they now in a loosing fight!
It not that contradictory, it simply that the linux community is trying to have linux suit all sorts of people. including windows users. having desktop themes or wm that look like windows is good for those making the transition. but remember with linux unlike windows u not stuck to their choice. i for one run Enlightenment, but i am trying out rox at the mo too, and that copies risc os =)
I never installed redmond. and once i got use to linux i chucked out my mandrake and installed debian.
I have to admit to a windows partition buts thats for my gaming adiction, and I refuse (to the point of dening that i have win installed) to use it for any thing other then games.
We (students) once turned one of the computer rooms into a mosix cluster although us users knew (unlike this leeching) it was to the same effect, processes would migrate and spread the work load
once mosix get pthreads support (they han't last time i checked, i duno know, they were working on it) i think mosix would be a good thing to install even in offices. your work station being part of a cluster would make it last longer (ie in time b4 it too slow to use, and u upgrade all the office pcs)
This rox looks nice, i'm gona try it with my E desktop. ever since efm vapourised, E been missing a good fm. I been using konqueror (not kicker urrh), but if this run with e and not mess up my perdy desktop too much
You can run apps from both KDE and Gnome
and it looks real perdy. (i run a lot of epplets too =)
I use a lot of apps from kde (in my E desktop) KDE has so many apps and functions i think it has to take the crown from emacs*
Gnome i dont use, but i still have some gtk apps, although not many the gnome ppl. (eg xchat)
-Trevelyan
*emacs is my os, linux just does the i/o
will become KDE is my os, linux just does the i/o
assumption thats when execs tell their tech ppl to use MS for servers, and tech ppl just install linux, and edited apache to report as IIS. I see/hear of this happening more and more now a days.
Some one in another post said that retraining IT ppl would cost more then ms lic. but if it is the case that they were running linux any way (behind execs back) then they wrong.
plus I guessing (still undere above assumption) that execs have just found out what the tech ppl done/doing, and instead of forcing them to put MS on are turning this to thier advantage (joining the IBM bandwagon)
Slashdot Mirror
I've not tried it yet to comment wether it looks better. Its C with the OO features of SmallTalk thrown, which makes it sound appealing to me, in the sense its C and has credibile OO features.
www.objective-c.org
RMS seems happy with any name other then Linux, and if Linux is used they must use GNU with it.
This seems obserd.
Say I have a Tree, but its mainly made of wood. Under the same logic I should call it:
Wood/Tree
or maybe:
Wood/Leafs/Roots/Atoms/Cells/...../Tree =/
I dont think any linux user (bar maybe the _realy_ new ones) dont apreciate that their OS would be useless if all the GNU stuff was taken out.
I tended to open system.ini and change the link:
shell=Explorer.exe
to
shell=progman.exe
for that nostalgic win3.1 look, with the added bounus that ur machine boot loads faster, and since progman dont load/run all the stuff in reg, it has less crap loaded, and to me is far more stable.
ofcoure i found a better way, and now run debian, but i still do this on uni machine. as well as set the background to c:\windows\logos.sys (stretched) just to confuse the luser who uses the machine after me >:)
I'd like to point out something that a lot of non debian (and some debian) people miss, that the official release of woody as stable is realy only the concern of those running production (or mission crittical) machines.
normal desktop users dont realy need to concern them self with this, woody has been plenty ready for desktop (as long as u can afford the big apt-get upgrade d/l each week).
in fact i'v ran woody since last summer, and it has been far more stable then any of the mandrake installs i've had (i use to use mandrake before i switched to debian last summer)
i've encountered plenty of people who run pototoe when i feel they should be at least on woody. I think its what people imagine 'stable' and 'unstable' to be they use their experience with that other proprietory os, which dont realy apply to debian, because as this article points out releasing packages aint as important as testing them, unlike that other os vender
a program not working in sid, aint that likely because the apt-get tends to fail before it gets to install a nasty package, and any way stuff gets fixed quick.
woody/testing only get these packages once they seen to install and run ok in sid, but some less obvious bugs may remain, up until the freeze starts (which it did some time ago) then only packages that fix know problems in woody packages get moved on from sid
potatoe is 2 years old, aint ever going to get younger, bugs are fixed by the security updates, but for a desktop its hopeless, you have no chance of compiling any decent games =)
In my VLSI class, it is often pointed out the realy good chip designers, generaly do one full custom asic, and then retire
Heres a trick i used back in my windows days at school.
/. readers =)
open a dos prompt
c:
cd \recycled
md games
now install your games to c:\recycled\games\blah, you cant browse to it you have to type the path into the install program. and thats the point their is no way windows is going to let you see any thing in the recycle bin thats not registered as deleted. Dont worry u can click empty recycle bin quite happily.
to run your game open a dos prompt
c:
cd \recycled\games\blah
start game.exe
now no one will ever find it! erm well... bar
Have you ever seen a room of Brand new, realy nice pc in a CS department never used?
well in my uni there is such a room, since the sysadmin installed only Solaris on these i386 no one uses them. nor will i
i was hoping that now sun dropped i386 that these machines would be recovered, b4 their monitors are burnt out, from always being on and solaris not supporting apm to put them in standby.
i doubt sun will ever be able to fully support i386, hell even the i386 unix's dont fully support all i386 hardware
sun isn't going to be able to develop/maintain solaris/sparc and develop/maintain solaris/i386 it'll be too clostly w/o enough reward
works better then java
have you have looked at the flash plugin files? in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins:
ShockwaveFlash.class libflashplayer.so
how does something that is in java work better then java?
API's? I think you forget Microsoft is a huge company. What's to stop you from using the Microsoft Speech component from C#? Nothing. In fact, C# is meant to take advantage of exisiting components. And though Java zealots hate to admit it, that means that there are more than zero API's that C# can use.
you fail to mention existing windows components.
Does Microsoft Speech component run on linux, solaris, mac os x and other non ms os?
you cant say C# has a full API and then use a os dependant API as an example
a /. reader anonymous account with nytime would be very nice
d ephex/microsoft
i just tried logins:
slashdot/slashdot
anonymous/anonymous
non worked, do ny times spot and delete them?
i live in uk, are the us only accounts?
just thinking their mightbe something they check if these accounts do realy exist
True, when i was installing this bax, I did apt-cache kde | grep ^k, and made a list of what i wanted.
point being i missed a few packages, and when i ran KDE i found no konsole, no konqueror and a few other KDE stuff, but what was installed ran fine and didn't care.
Try that with windows, well if u could =/
look at the pic on www.wehavethewayout.com notice the light shines out from their unix represntation, in to the dark MS world.
which way would you go, from the light into the dark or from the dark in to the light?
thier PR ppl missed that metaphore =)
hehe
god know we would love u to have only one password too >:P
One thing that concerns me about these plastic case it the lack of metel.
ie the metal case on ur machine acts as a farraday cage, preventing out side EM noise interfering with it, and stop it give of interfering radiation.
now with these plastic cases the cage is broken and thus no longer works.
i beleive there are rules (i duno if law) about the fact ur electrical device most not give of (unreasonable) EM noise, and most with stand EM from other devices (eg in US this set by FCC)
how does plastic cases address these concerns, if at all?
Lucky he never went to Canada in the game, would have made Bob page well happy, JC with no augmentations.
Nooooooo my 1337 sniping skillz
(well that was what concentrated my skill points on)
Did you miss all the 2.4 Linux VM Stories?
I suggest build/installing the latest kernel with the aa VM (the default VM, since 2.4.10). If you still have VM (Swap) problems then go get the latest rmap VM patch and try that.
The kernel VM (Virtual Machine) is what manages memory and sawp, btw.
And if u did miss all the VM stories, a summery:
at the start of 2.4 a new fancy mv was put in to action, using something known as reverse mapping. this was very clever but it wasn't quite ready and there were teathing troubles then suddenly (2.4.10) Linus switched VM to one similar to that of 2.3 (with some updates and a few features from the previous 2.4 VM) This started a big fight, which caused concerns (such that it may split the linux comunity)
which is better i dont know some swer by one other swer the other. but unless ur using RH 2.4.9 kernel i would not recommend a pre 2.4.10 kernel.
however you may need to experiment which is best the VM now in 2.4 (to stay) or rmap, u should try both and see
steps
Install 2.4.[17,18,19]
try it
if it fails u try the rmap patch
what those liquid cooled boxes, that way u can seal them up good an proper, no need for air intake and stuff.
i'd give a url, but it'll only be the result of a google search so: http://www.google.com =)
I dont think so, have you read the page?
The only way not to get trapped by robotcop is to obey the robots.txt rules file.
whats the difference between a bad robot obeying rules and a good one?
sure ppl may try to work on robots that dont fall in the honey pot, but those dirs on real servers are not going to be as obvious as in the example, i do think however the random pages that a trapped bot gets is too much of a give away thet your trapped, but they now in a loosing fight!
It not that contradictory, it simply that the linux community is trying to have linux suit all sorts of people. including windows users.
having desktop themes or wm that look like windows is good for those making the transition.
but remember with linux unlike windows u not stuck to their choice.
i for one run Enlightenment, but i am trying out rox at the mo too, and that copies risc os =)
I never installed redmond. and once i got use to linux i chucked out my mandrake and installed debian.
I have to admit to a windows partition buts thats for my gaming adiction, and I refuse (to the point of dening that i have win installed) to use it for any thing other then games.
We (students) once turned one of the computer rooms into a mosix cluster
although us users knew (unlike this leeching) it was to the same effect, processes would migrate and spread the work load
once mosix get pthreads support (they han't last time i checked, i duno know, they were working on it) i think mosix would be a good thing to install even in offices. your work station being part of a cluster would make it last longer (ie in time b4 it too slow to use, and u upgrade all the office pcs)
This rox looks nice, i'm gona try it with my E desktop.
ever since efm vapourised, E been missing a good fm.
I been using konqueror (not kicker urrh), but if this run with e and not mess up my perdy desktop too much
if rox works with sawfish, it'l work with E?
You can run apps from both KDE and Gnome
and it looks real perdy. (i run a lot of epplets too =)
I use a lot of apps from kde (in my E desktop) KDE has so many apps and functions i think it has to take the crown from emacs*
Gnome i dont use, but i still have some gtk apps, although not many the gnome ppl. (eg xchat)
-Trevelyan
*emacs is my os, linux just does the i/o
will become KDE is my os, linux just does the i/o
Plus the conflicting GNU and BSD licences, me thinks
assumption thats when execs tell their tech ppl to use MS for servers, and tech ppl just install linux, and edited apache to report as IIS. I see/hear of this happening more and more now a days.
Some one in another post said that retraining IT ppl would cost more then ms lic. but if it is the case that they were running linux any way (behind execs back) then they wrong.
plus I guessing (still undere above assumption) that execs have just found out what the tech ppl done/doing, and instead of forcing them to put MS on are turning this to thier advantage (joining the IBM bandwagon)
they can't strip out the white spaces
a lot of it in VB, and VB is CR(/LF) terminated
ie no ';' and 1 command/statement to a line
i'm sure any good perl programmer is blocking this fact from their head, for the fear of it.