---Lawyers are the new priests, and the government is God. We need them to intermediate between us and the Lord. But someone's gotta play Martin Luther sooner or later.
You know big the doors would have to be to shotgun rivet/staple/nail all those legal books to the front door of the supreme court? Damn. Then again, stapling the lawyers to the front wouldnt be that bad of an idea;-)
I know, I've been saying the same thing. Then I get hit with a Troll.
---This has nothing to do with the general "popularity" of Linux. Test time: Name any of the 10+ other operating systems used in embedded devices? Can't name them? Exactly.
1: QNX 2: Engineer programming group #1 3: Engineer programming group #2 (and so on)
That's the last thing you want for embedded stuff is an OS. Unless it's an RTos, you just dont use it. Usually, in embedded programming, you first design a flowchart (along with specs req'd) for your system. Then you find components that match the spec AND are most cost efficent. Then you start coding. It's either ASM(in the assembly of the chip you're working with) or C. If you need tight code (say your chip only has 16k onboard ram), you go with asm. Either that or buy a chip with more ram. You almost never want to buy ram chips. Raises devel costs too high.
---There's getting to be a more than a little annoying "Linux is the only operating system and should be used in everything from PCs to microwaves" rally. Doesn't that sound a whole lot like what Microsoft has been saying since the mid 1990s?
I use whatever works. For a while, I used Windows cause it supplied what I needed (and linux wasnt very good). Now I do more programming and "hacking" I use a system that shows its underbelly (linux). If windows did this, i might still be on it. For my PDA, I use a TI-86 graphing calculator. It has 90k ram which for me, is plenty enough for a shell, games, and a basic PIM. And it does complex math too;-) When I get home, I can upload my PIM to my computer.
What pisses people off is saying I USE WHAT WORKS.
---then there's the Signal-11 factor: M2 has become a string of spineless "accepts"... penalties for rogue M2 is garbage, if you penalize people for rejecting moderations in M2 then you lead people into a herd mentality
Actualy, I put an unfair on everybody. Doesnt matter if it's insightful or troll, unfair it gets. Even for general tech public, they're still idiots. I'd rather cycle through idiot moderators than keep the old ones in (sounds almost like politics).
Seems some trolls have mass-registered Emails and accounts for SLashdot under the name of "CLIT Drone No. (randNum)". Now they are mass-posting some anal gay fantasy at a default of +1. Editors are working on it, but the troll engine is still pumping crap in +1.
For your information, read at +2 for this article.
Sad. It seems if I piss off the status quo fanboys, I get modded troll or flamebait. Even if it is the truth.
________________
---The Gadgeteer has a review of the new clamshell-style Sharp Zaurus SL-C700 Linux-based PDA.
Ohhhhh Ahhhhhh. It runs linux. Like I care. I want something that works, not something to make a political stand.
Still the political stuff aside, why is Linux (a server based OS) on something that should be totally embedded? Yes, I know LinuxEmbedded is a project too, but whats the point? You use/make what's best for the job. The Linux kernel just doesnt look best for the job.
---This new model, currently only officially available in Japan, sports a larger keyboard than the SL-5500 we have in the US,
It's got a larger everything. The fucker's just a mini-laptop.
---as well as a full 640x480 screen and 400MHz XScale CPU.
Whatever happened to crusoe? Wasnt that one supposed to be the lowest heat and energy intake for a cpu of that class?
---The review mostly compares it against the HP200. The reviewer got his hands on an 'English version,' made available by Dynamism for a hefty pricetag of USD$700."
Hell, my TI-86 with serial link cable (Z-80 and 90k rom) only cost a hundred. Yes, any PDA will beat the socks off it, but it can do all that math, and with asm programs downloaded for free, it can be a PDA and game player too. And my TI calc lasts for days on, and I can put it in my pocket.
---Agreed. I use Palm OS. But at some point you have to make the decision between a moral/political stand and convenience. I believe in open source. I don't like Microsoft Ethics - therefore I refuse to use MS products.
I really wouldnt mind using a MS PDA, but what I have saw, they eat battery power at horrendous rates (2 hours on my fiends pda-and that was the best times). That alone is the major deciding factor.
---Linux in the enterprise is actually a fairly new concept. Linus never wrote it for any other machine than his own desktop.
Unix based things have always been suited for servers. Linux is just a re-implementation of a Unix system.
---But of course it does run well as a server. But the same argument could be said of PocketPC. Why use a desktop OS on a PDA
In a way, that's what DOS was. Single user single tasking operating system. It didnt do much in terms of hardware (other than a very basic interface). Only the concept of 'Windowed content' brought multi-tasking to the masses.
---and furthermore - why use a desktop OS on a server. In fact I imagine linux is more suited than windows ever was, as all they have really ported is the Kernel, the rest is rebuilt, and the kernel is shrunk and tailored to a PDA anyway.
True, but the the "desktop OS vs server OS" was fought between Windows NT and Win9x. NT was network suited. If you bought the higher product, you got nt Server. MS just slapped server stuff on a Desktop OS. That's what merged those two together.
---And you are right, it is a mini laptop - which is why I want it. I work 24x7 support, and the idea of pulling out a linux machine with a useable keyboard from my pocket, logging in and doing my work, is very enticing.
That's exactlty my point. They oughtta call it MINI-laptop or something. Still, if you're in tech support, does it have serial ports to use? I didnt look close at the pictures.
---And the XScale and the Crusoe are in completely different classes, please don't trust MHz ratings.
I was asking based on related energy input and heat output. The less those 2 are, the better for small computers. In a PDA type setting, I really dont care about speed of the cpu, just as long the unit is snappy (and bloat-decreased).
---The fact that linux is opensource and can be stripped down *does* make it an ideal embedded os. At least in its stripped down form its smaller than any other embedded os that still has a VM (this doesn't include palm as it was a single tasking os).
But why not stay with the single-tasking OS that palm is?
---And as for crusoe, it's only the lowest heat and energy intake for an intel compatible processor. The XScale is the next generation of the ARM processor, a completely different instruction set that just happens to be really easy to design a low power cpu out of.
I thought that was the case with the crusoe, but I wanted to be sure. Still, back to the PDA thing. I guess I want/expect only certain things out of PDA's.
1: Why not a single task system? Eliminates VM (and associated overhead). 2: Why soo big monitor? 640x480 is a lot of power to keep lit. Try 320x240 3: WHy is monitor color? If it's a pda, you need text and grayscale images. Needless energy waste. 4: People want devices that do XYZ. Why not have plugin devices that power themselves (on their own batteries)? Your 802.11 card dies. big deal. You can still use yoru pda. 5: Have no keyboard onboard. Makes things too klunky. Have the gui able to handle all touch access but have a keyboard adaptor (along with keyboard battery) so you dont have to hunt letters. 6: Why not use a slower processor but have dedicated circuits that are only used when demanded (music decompresser).
I want something small, lightweigat, something that isnt going to die on me, can do basic jobs and whatnot. IF I WANT LAPTOP FUNCTIONALITY, I'LL BUY A LAPTOP. I just need a basic name/address/phone/email catalog and time organizer.
---The Gadgeteer has a review of the new clamshell-style Sharp Zaurus SL-C700 Linux-based PDA.
Ohhhhh Ahhhhhh. It runs linux. Like I care. I want something that works, not something to make a political stand.
Still the political stuff aside, why is Linux (a server based OS) on something that should be totally embedded? Yes, I know LinuxEmbedded is a project too, but whats the point? You use/make what's best for the job. The Linux kernel just doesnt look best for the job.
---This new model, currently only officially available in Japan, sports a larger keyboard than the SL-5500 we have in the US,
It's got a larger everything. The fucker's just a mini-laptop.
---as well as a full 640x480 screen and 400MHz XScale CPU.
Whatever happened to crusoe? Wasnt that one supposed to be the lowest heat and energy intake for a cpu of that class?
---The review mostly compares it against the HP200. The reviewer got his hands on an 'English version,' made available by Dynamism for a hefty pricetag of USD$700."
Hell, my TI-86 with serial link cable (Z-80 and 90k rom) only cost a hundred. Yes, any PDA will beat the socks off it, but it can do all that math, and with asm programs downloaded for free, it can be a PDA and game player too. And my TI calc lasts for days on, and I can put it in my pocket.
Why not just disregard patent law? the folks at MPlayer did. They just took shop in a non-patent law country (as in one that doesnt see our patents as world patents).
FSF announces GNU GNURM, the new, improved network worm!
Tired of old, outdated, buggy worms clogging up your system? Then be happy to know that FSF, the people who've done more to destroy intellectual property that anyone else, are proud to announce the release of GNURM 1.0. Even better, GNURM is being released into the public domain (and the public data networks), so it's absolutely free. You don't have to go and get GNURM, GNURM will come and get you!
What GNURM does:
Using advanced techniques that could only be programmed by people who have grants, trust funds, or other means by which they don't have to work for a living, GNURM roams the networks, using little known bugs, stupid errors by sysadms, and other methods that you couldn't possibly understand to ensconce itself in your system.
Once there, GNURM provides your system with the many benefits that the FSF has decided you need!
* GNURM updates all your old, tired utilities to the
brand-new, shiny, GNU versions!
* GNURM's advanced AI frees your software from the bondage
of copyright laws by seeking out and destroying any
copyright statements in the code or source (thus saving
valuable disc space). GNURM's special GNUTRON BOMB
feature destroys intellectual property rights, while
leaving the code standing!
* Best of all, when GNURM has finished, it moves itself
onto your friends computer, spreading goodwill and
copylefts everywhere it goes.
Don't waste time, get GNU'd today!
Processor cycles are precious things, and it takes a lot of them to crack your root password. This could result in some slowdowns for your friends as GNURM tries to access your system. Don't be impolite. Change your root password to GNU today! You'll be glad you did tomorrow!
Is Sun still NOT supplying basic low-level data documents on how to control memory management and chip accesses? If I remember correctly, SUN allowed a Linux developer see the required documents and code a kernel compile for the Sparc64 platform, but is holding out on the BSD's.
Thing is, if you request the papers, you have to sign a NDA to get them. They arent even saying Yes to the BSD developers (probably cause BSD's better than sunos, and they see Linux as sucky piece of shit).
---That is what TV Tuners are for. You could get an extra tuner and hook it up. You could buy a few tuner cards for a computer and record them all at once.
Dont you see getting 2 of the same unit somewhat redundant, when 1 can read the signal? WHat I'm suggesting is a 'smart tuner' that could read multiple channels and possibly record many of them at once. After all, every channel is going down that nice coax from your antaenna.
Oh well. Food for thought, stuff that might matter.
---My TiVo is set for this one. One hitch: it's on at the same time as the usual new Sunday Simpsons episode, so Bravo has thoughtfully repeated the show at midnight so fans can record both.
What I dont understand is ALL frequencies are running through that wire going in to the TiVo. Why cant you just do a stream record of the WHOLE analog signal (ad converter) and then re-play all channels when you want to?
Would BUY a web browser? These things are commodity now in the terms of operating systems. We have IE and Mozilla for Windows, KHTML and Mozilla for Linux, and IE and Mozilla and KHTML for Mac.
We have Mouse gestures for Moz by plugin, Tabbed bowsing for Moz and Konq, and any other feature deemed ok can easily be added in to Mozilla (either by source adds or plugins).
Can somebody answer me why someone would buy a web bowser these days?
---While I appreciate the history of your life, I can't figure out how in the hell you're breaking W2K!
I think if we had the source code, we'd figure it out.
---What are you doing, exactly that "breaks" W2K?
Hell if I know, but I have similar problems. I have those problems with new devel drivers AND windows certified drivers. Windows just freezes occaisionally- as in total lockup, nothing moves, works. And I have a nasty login problem. It takes 1-2 minutes for me to get a login screen. And if it goes into screensaver mode, I have to restart. I've also had STOP! screens during install, and other weird places. Simple apps, installed as non-admin has hosed the system.
---I've been using it for years, and NT 4.0 before that, and I've never even *heard* of the problems that you're talking about, like having to open fewer apps, having to reinstall, Windows slowing down by just installing new things, etc.
Are you a casual user?
---It sounds like this is completely made up. I kind of doubt that you're the only person on the planet trying to open up multiple apps at the same time with W2K.
Open too many (or perhaps certain combinations) apps and your stability goes to shit. Crash explorer.exe and it comes back up. Crash it any more, and you might as well reboot. I also end up with hangs on the "Notwork Neighborhood" constantly. And the damn filemanager cant refresh in a timely manner when I put a cd in a drive.
---I mean really, this isn't even believable. You honestly think that out of the millions of people using W2K right this second, that you're the only one who opens up many different apps at once? And you think that all of these people are all sitting around happily with crashing computers when they can go buy RedHat at Best Buy? I definitely smell something, and it ain't roses.
__--YAWN--__
People learn how do deal with crashes because most people dont know any different.
---Linux on the desktop is NOT the issue since Linux is a Kernel not an OS; and certainly it is not a a GUI. The window manager, applications and device detection/drivers are the issues desktop users care about.
Yeah, I think I'll go out and buy SuSE 6 cd Kernel distro. All the major possible kernel compile options included. Source is on 6'th cd.
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---Lawyers are the new priests, and the government is God. We need them to intermediate between us and the Lord. But someone's gotta play Martin Luther sooner or later.
;-)
You know big the doors would have to be to shotgun rivet/staple/nail all those legal books to the front door of the supreme court? Damn. Then again, stapling the lawyers to the front wouldnt be that bad of an idea
And if it was FreeBSD you could chroot jail the process. Then the kernel kills any request that might lead to a 'r00t'
I know, I've been saying the same thing. Then I get hit with a Troll.
;-) When I get home, I can upload my PIM to my computer.
---This has nothing to do with the general "popularity" of Linux. Test time: Name any of the 10+ other operating systems used in embedded devices? Can't name them? Exactly.
1: QNX
2: Engineer programming group #1
3: Engineer programming group #2
(and so on)
That's the last thing you want for embedded stuff is an OS. Unless it's an RTos, you just dont use it. Usually, in embedded programming, you first design a flowchart (along with specs req'd) for your system. Then you find components that match the spec AND are most cost efficent. Then you start coding. It's either ASM(in the assembly of the chip you're working with) or C. If you need tight code (say your chip only has 16k onboard ram), you go with asm. Either that or buy a chip with more ram. You almost never want to buy ram chips. Raises devel costs too high.
---There's getting to be a more than a little annoying "Linux is the only operating system and should be used in everything from PCs to microwaves" rally. Doesn't that sound a whole lot like what Microsoft has been saying since the mid 1990s?
I use whatever works. For a while, I used Windows cause it supplied what I needed (and linux wasnt very good). Now I do more programming and "hacking" I use a system that shows its underbelly (linux). If windows did this, i might still be on it. For my PDA, I use a TI-86 graphing calculator. It has 90k ram which for me, is plenty enough for a shell, games, and a basic PIM. And it does complex math too
What pisses people off is saying I USE WHAT WORKS.
I work? Must be apple's line of clothing ;-)
---then there's the Signal-11 factor: M2 has become a string of spineless "accepts"... penalties for rogue M2 is garbage, if you penalize people for rejecting moderations in M2 then you lead people into a herd mentality
Actualy, I put an unfair on everybody. Doesnt matter if it's insightful or troll, unfair it gets. Even for general tech public, they're still idiots. I'd rather cycle through idiot moderators than keep the old ones in (sounds almost like politics).
Seems some trolls have mass-registered Emails and accounts for SLashdot under the name of "CLIT Drone No. (randNum)". Now they are mass-posting some anal gay fantasy at a default of +1. Editors are working on it, but the troll engine is still pumping crap in +1.
For your information, read at +2 for this article.
Sad. It seems if I piss off the status quo fanboys, I get modded troll or flamebait. Even if it is the truth.
________________
---The Gadgeteer has a review of the new clamshell-style Sharp Zaurus SL-C700 Linux-based PDA.
Ohhhhh Ahhhhhh. It runs linux. Like I care. I want something that works, not something to make a political stand.
Still the political stuff aside, why is Linux (a server based OS) on something that should be totally embedded? Yes, I know LinuxEmbedded is a project too, but whats the point? You use/make what's best for the job. The Linux kernel just doesnt look best for the job.
---This new model, currently only officially available in Japan, sports a larger keyboard than the SL-5500 we have in the US,
It's got a larger everything. The fucker's just a mini-laptop.
---as well as a full 640x480 screen and 400MHz XScale CPU.
Whatever happened to crusoe? Wasnt that one supposed to be the lowest heat and energy intake for a cpu of that class?
---The review mostly compares it against the HP200. The reviewer got his hands on an 'English version,' made available by Dynamism for a hefty pricetag of USD$700."
Hell, my TI-86 with serial link cable (Z-80 and 90k rom) only cost a hundred. Yes, any PDA will beat the socks off it, but it can do all that math, and with asm programs downloaded for free, it can be a PDA and game player too. And my TI calc lasts for days on, and I can put it in my pocket.
---Agreed. I use Palm OS. But at some point you have to make the decision between a moral/political stand and convenience. I believe in open source. I don't like Microsoft Ethics - therefore I refuse to use MS products.
I really wouldnt mind using a MS PDA, but what I have saw, they eat battery power at horrendous rates (2 hours on my fiends pda-and that was the best times). That alone is the major deciding factor.
---Linux in the enterprise is actually a fairly new concept. Linus never wrote it for any other machine than his own desktop.
Unix based things have always been suited for servers. Linux is just a re-implementation of a Unix system.
---But of course it does run well as a server. But the same argument could be said of PocketPC. Why use a desktop OS on a PDA
In a way, that's what DOS was. Single user single tasking operating system. It didnt do much in terms of hardware (other than a very basic interface). Only the concept of 'Windowed content' brought multi-tasking to the masses.
---and furthermore - why use a desktop OS on a server. In fact I imagine linux is more suited than windows ever was, as all they have really ported is the Kernel, the rest is rebuilt, and the kernel is shrunk and tailored to a PDA anyway.
True, but the the "desktop OS vs server OS" was fought between Windows NT and Win9x. NT was network suited. If you bought the higher product, you got nt Server. MS just slapped server stuff on a Desktop OS. That's what merged those two together.
---And you are right, it is a mini laptop - which is why I want it. I work 24x7 support, and the idea of pulling out a linux machine with a useable keyboard from my pocket, logging in and doing my work, is very enticing.
That's exactlty my point. They oughtta call it MINI-laptop or something. Still, if you're in tech support, does it have serial ports to use? I didnt look close at the pictures.
---And the XScale and the Crusoe are in completely different classes, please don't trust MHz ratings.
I was asking based on related energy input and heat output. The less those 2 are, the better for small computers. In a PDA type setting, I really dont care about speed of the cpu, just as long the unit is snappy (and bloat-decreased).
---The fact that linux is opensource and can be stripped down *does* make it an ideal embedded os. At least in its stripped down form its smaller than any other embedded os that still has a VM (this doesn't include palm as it was a single tasking os).
But why not stay with the single-tasking OS that palm is?
---And as for crusoe, it's only the lowest heat and energy intake for an intel compatible processor. The XScale is the next generation of the ARM processor, a completely different instruction set that just happens to be really easy to design a low power cpu out of.
I thought that was the case with the crusoe, but I wanted to be sure. Still, back to the PDA thing. I guess I want/expect only certain things out of PDA's.
1: Why not a single task system? Eliminates VM (and associated overhead).
2: Why soo big monitor? 640x480 is a lot of power to keep lit. Try 320x240
3: WHy is monitor color? If it's a pda, you need text and grayscale images. Needless energy waste.
4: People want devices that do XYZ. Why not have plugin devices that power themselves (on their own batteries)? Your 802.11 card dies. big deal. You can still use yoru pda.
5: Have no keyboard onboard. Makes things too klunky. Have the gui able to handle all touch access but have a keyboard adaptor (along with keyboard battery) so you dont have to hunt letters.
6: Why not use a slower processor but have dedicated circuits that are only used when demanded (music decompresser).
I want something small, lightweigat, something that isnt going to die on me, can do basic jobs and whatnot. IF I WANT LAPTOP FUNCTIONALITY, I'LL BUY A LAPTOP. I just need a basic name/address/phone/email catalog and time organizer.
---The Gadgeteer has a review of the new clamshell-style Sharp Zaurus SL-C700 Linux-based PDA.
Ohhhhh Ahhhhhh. It runs linux. Like I care. I want something that works, not something to make a political stand.
Still the political stuff aside, why is Linux (a server based OS) on something that should be totally embedded? Yes, I know LinuxEmbedded is a project too, but whats the point? You use/make what's best for the job. The Linux kernel just doesnt look best for the job.
---This new model, currently only officially available in Japan, sports a larger keyboard than the SL-5500 we have in the US,
It's got a larger everything. The fucker's just a mini-laptop.
---as well as a full 640x480 screen and 400MHz XScale CPU.
Whatever happened to crusoe? Wasnt that one supposed to be the lowest heat and energy intake for a cpu of that class?
---The review mostly compares it against the HP200. The reviewer got his hands on an 'English version,' made available by Dynamism for a hefty pricetag of USD$700."
Hell, my TI-86 with serial link cable (Z-80 and 90k rom) only cost a hundred. Yes, any PDA will beat the socks off it, but it can do all that math, and with asm programs downloaded for free, it can be a PDA and game player too. And my TI calc lasts for days on, and I can put it in my pocket.
Why not just disregard patent law? the folks at MPlayer did. They just took shop in a non-patent law country (as in one that doesnt see our patents as world patents).
FSF announces GNU GNURM, the new, improved network worm!
Tired of old, outdated, buggy worms clogging up your system? Then
be happy to know that FSF, the people who've done more to destroy
intellectual property that anyone else, are proud to announce the
release of GNURM 1.0. Even better, GNURM is being released into
the public domain (and the public data networks), so it's
absolutely free. You don't have to go and get GNURM, GNURM will
come and get you!
What GNURM does:
Using advanced techniques that could only be programmed by people
who have grants, trust funds, or other means by which they don't
have to work for a living, GNURM roams the networks, using little
known bugs, stupid errors by sysadms, and other methods that you
couldn't possibly understand to ensconce itself in your system.
Once there, GNURM provides your system with the many benefits that
the FSF has decided you need!
* GNURM updates all your old, tired utilities to the
brand-new, shiny, GNU versions!
* GNURM's advanced AI frees your software from the bondage
of copyright laws by seeking out and destroying any
copyright statements in the code or source (thus saving
valuable disc space). GNURM's special GNUTRON BOMB
feature destroys intellectual property rights, while
leaving the code standing!
* Best of all, when GNURM has finished, it moves itself
onto your friends computer, spreading goodwill and
copylefts everywhere it goes.
Don't waste time, get GNU'd today!
Processor cycles are precious things, and it takes a lot of them to
crack your root password. This could result in some slowdowns for
your friends as GNURM tries to access your system. Don't be impolite.
Change your root password to GNU today! You'll be glad you did
tomorrow!
Is Sun still NOT supplying basic low-level data documents on how to control memory management and chip accesses? If I remember correctly, SUN allowed a Linux developer see the required documents and code a kernel compile for the Sparc64 platform, but is holding out on the BSD's.
Thing is, if you request the papers, you have to sign a NDA to get them. They arent even saying Yes to the BSD developers (probably cause BSD's better than sunos, and they see Linux as sucky piece of shit).
---That is what TV Tuners are for. You could get an extra tuner and hook it up. You could buy a few tuner cards for a computer and record them all at once.
Dont you see getting 2 of the same unit somewhat redundant, when 1 can read the signal? WHat I'm suggesting is a 'smart tuner' that could read multiple channels and possibly record many of them at once. After all, every channel is going down that nice coax from your antaenna.
Oh well. Food for thought, stuff that might matter.
---My TiVo is set for this one. One hitch: it's on at the same time as the usual new Sunday Simpsons episode, so Bravo has thoughtfully repeated the show at midnight so fans can record both.
What I dont understand is ALL frequencies are running through that wire going in to the TiVo. Why cant you just do a stream record of the WHOLE analog signal (ad converter) and then re-play all channels when you want to?
We need to put a foundry and a small biome on the moon. From those, we can build from those supplies.
I'm not able to see any comments at all in the first 2 articles.
Own your own domain and sub-let email boxes: dell@domain.com , MS@domain.com and the like.
When "spam" comes, you know who sent it to you.
007 Nightfire for GCN: $49.99
007 Nightfire for PC: $19.99
Local warez D00D: Pricless
---We are here to make fucking money
If you're here to make "Fucking money" go be a pimp. There's plenty of us nerds to handle computer systems.
And will this water-cooling pump disentgrate pthe cpu pump and leak water all over that nice chip?
Oh well. The chip was probably a DOritos..
---You've obviously never used Opera.
Dont assume. You make an ass out of you and me.
---Besides, you don't HAVE to buy it. If you can put up with a small, non-flashing banner ad, it's totally free as in beer.
That aint free. That's ADWARE. Crap I dont want on windows OR Linux.
Now how about some decent features that opera has that all others dont that make opera worth something like 20$ or 30$ (whatever it is now).
Would BUY a web browser? These things are commodity now in the terms of operating systems. We have IE and Mozilla for Windows, KHTML and Mozilla for Linux, and IE and Mozilla and KHTML for Mac.
We have Mouse gestures for Moz by plugin, Tabbed bowsing for Moz and Konq, and any other feature deemed ok can easily be added in to Mozilla (either by source adds or plugins).
Can somebody answer me why someone would buy a web bowser these days?
---While I appreciate the history of your life, I can't figure out how in the hell you're breaking W2K!
I think if we had the source code, we'd figure it out.
---What are you doing, exactly that "breaks" W2K?
Hell if I know, but I have similar problems. I have those problems with new devel drivers AND windows certified drivers. Windows just freezes occaisionally- as in total lockup, nothing moves, works. And I have a nasty login problem. It takes 1-2 minutes for me to get a login screen. And if it goes into screensaver mode, I have to restart. I've also had STOP! screens during install, and other weird places. Simple apps, installed as non-admin has hosed the system.
---I've been using it for years, and NT 4.0 before that, and I've never even *heard* of the problems that you're talking about, like having to open fewer apps, having to reinstall, Windows slowing down by just installing new things, etc.
Are you a casual user?
---It sounds like this is completely made up. I kind of doubt that you're the only person on the planet trying to open up multiple apps at the same time with W2K.
Open too many (or perhaps certain combinations) apps and your stability goes to shit. Crash explorer.exe and it comes back up. Crash it any more, and you might as well reboot. I also end up with hangs on the "Notwork Neighborhood" constantly. And the damn filemanager cant refresh in a timely manner when I put a cd in a drive.
---I mean really, this isn't even believable. You honestly think that out of the millions of people using W2K right this second, that you're the only one who opens up many different apps at once? And you think that all of these people are all sitting around happily with crashing computers when they can go buy RedHat at Best Buy? I definitely smell something, and it ain't roses.
__--YAWN--__
People learn how do deal with crashes because most people dont know any different.
---Linux on the desktop is NOT the issue since Linux is a Kernel not an OS; and certainly it is not a a GUI. The window manager, applications and device detection/drivers are the issues desktop users care about.
Yeah, I think I'll go out and buy SuSE 6 cd Kernel distro. All the major possible kernel compile options included. Source is on 6'th cd.
ps: everything else sold seprately.