Maybe you should post this to the mailing list for the LSB. I think that this would be the best way to approach a Linux standard that is actually a combination of two.
The only problem would come in keeping the two standards as close to each other as possible, so that most software will run on both.
traceroute to triton.slashdot.org (206.170.14.75), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 bab60-1.optonline.net (167.206.60.1) 20.86 ms 17.42 ms 17.881 ms 2 10.8.80.1 (10.8.80.1) 20.351 ms 22.864 ms 23.796 ms 3 cv-bb-hicks-01-fe-3-0.cvnet.com (10.1.1.75) 27.097 ms 64.866 ms 103.594 ms 4 sl-gw11-pen-11-0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.164.5) 27.189 ms 37.833 ms 24.678 ms 5 sl-bb11-pen-2-2.sprintlink.net (144.232.5.81) 30.047 ms 25.654 ms 23.85 ms 6 sl-bb12-pen-10-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.5.158) 23.653 ms 26.769 ms 23.262 ms 7 sl-bb10-rly-5-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.8.153) 26.689 ms 27.701 ms 24.047 ms 8 sl-bb12-rly-9-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.7.214) 23.556 ms 28.628 ms 23.799 ms 9 sl-bb1-rly-4-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.0.34) 25.143 ms 28.477 ms 24.131 ms 10 beth1sr2-2-0.md.us.ibm.net (165.87.97.226) 30.838 ms 27.282 ms 30.787 ms 11 165.87.29.162 (165.87.29.162) 31.02 ms 29.798 ms 30.854 ms 12 sfra1br2-2-0-1.ca.us.ibm.net (165.87.230.102) 138.019 ms 120.268 ms 137.402 ms 13 165.87.13.42 (165.87.13.42) 126.1 ms 126.464 ms 126.738 ms 14 165.87.161.73 (165.87.161.73) 119.358 ms 120.494 ms 120.174 ms 15 ded1-fe12-0-0.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.83) 117.514 ms 120.036 ms 119.906 ms 16 209.232.138.214 (209.232.138.214) 126.501 ms 123.852 ms 124.8 ms 17 triton.slashdot.org (206.170.14.75) 133.482 ms 127.02 ms 145.201 ms
Maybe, because as far as they are concerned, we are now becoming the mainstream, or at least the more knowledgable of the mainstream, i.e., and they can't get away with complete FUD anymore, because the Internet works to expose FUD really quickly?
Could that be possible?
I doubt it.:-) I have no respect for certain huge corporate publications that try to cater more to the $$$ from advertisers rather than to the people who actually have to administer it and/or use it. It seems like everything is huge and corporate nowadays, and I hate seeing the hanging threat of business and corporate $$$ all the time affecting our laws from drugs, to software patents, to intellectual property laws, ad inifinitum. All of the worst laws are put there because of greed. Maybe I'm just paranoid. Maybe capitalism wasn't such a good idea because now the government is controlled by greed and money. But then again, every other system has failed at one point or another because of that, and I guess capitalism is no exception at all. Bleh, let me shut up now.
that was a bit premature, it was going then.. but if you simply add gnome-session and gnome-terminal and a few other big packages and carefully keep adding dependencies as thye're needed, it does work. I have it runnon my machine right now.
I've seen like a few polls on Slashdot and on other sites that seem to give those figures.
I think it was around 50-55% Red Hat, 25-30% Debian, and the rest was divided between Suse and Caldera and Slackware..
But there's no real market data other than that. I think it's a better reflection of the true market, since those polls asked you what distribution you were running.
I think that open source and commercial software can co-exist and feed off each other under Linux. I think that was the point that this essay made.
Open Source and commercial software have different motives and reasons behind them. There is really something in each of those models that can be sold to a particular market.
This is a great rebuttal to the fear that Linux is not a platform developers will want to support.
Open Source is much less of a threat than Microsoft is. It's better to compete on a level playing field. The best thing to do is to develop software on an operating system that is owned by everyone.
More software developers need to get this message. Maybe some of them have realized, and that's why we're getting more and more software being released for Linux.
Why not tell him that if he's willing to run different software that works just as well, and if he's willing to get used to another operating system, that it would work.
If you want Linux to make it you've got to put a little bit of work into it.
Looks like I'll just have to spring for the kde 1.1 deb packages. I've never been able to get the insane libraries that gnome wants, and i can't find any deb packages that work right.
Apple sucks because they would be just as bad as Microsoft if they had market share.
Think about it. The hardware is tied to the OS. They are a completely closed company. You have no choice in what vendor you buy hardware from, what operating system to get with the computer, or anything else. They are the epitome of closed systems.
That's why they never were about to compete against PC's.
I submitted this one, and I think it's VERY relevant.
According to the Arcana Mailing List the culture in the U.S. Patent office calls for approving more and more patents, and they're already approving 80% of patent submissions. Here's a cool excerpt from these E-mails from people who've worked for the patent office:
> This needs to be made clear to more people. The Patent Office is heavily >biased towards rewarding examiners who allow a lot, and it is creating a >culture to match. Unfortunately, our 'customers' are collectively paying >the higher costs of confusion and legal help to sort the whole mess out.
I think I saw a posting on here a while ago saying that they've show then kids that have seen porn when they're younger don't turn out any worse than kids who don't see it, or something like that.
So, what's the big deal?
It's not like you're not going to find out from your friends and/or magazines your friends have if you're really looking for it.
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Maybe you should post this to the mailing list for the LSB. I think that this would be the best way to approach a Linux standard that is actually a combination of two.
The only problem would come in keeping the two standards as close to each other as possible, so that most software will run on both.
Is anyone any worse off than me?
:-)
Well, at least I have a cable modem. Nyah.
traceroute to triton.slashdot.org (206.170.14.75), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 bab60-1.optonline.net (167.206.60.1) 20.86 ms 17.42 ms 17.881 ms
2 10.8.80.1 (10.8.80.1) 20.351 ms 22.864 ms 23.796 ms
3 cv-bb-hicks-01-fe-3-0.cvnet.com (10.1.1.75) 27.097 ms 64.866 ms 103.594 ms
4 sl-gw11-pen-11-0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.164.5) 27.189 ms 37.833 ms 24.678 ms
5 sl-bb11-pen-2-2.sprintlink.net (144.232.5.81) 30.047 ms 25.654 ms 23.85 ms
6 sl-bb12-pen-10-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.5.158) 23.653 ms 26.769 ms 23.262 ms
7 sl-bb10-rly-5-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.8.153) 26.689 ms 27.701 ms 24.047 ms
8 sl-bb12-rly-9-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.7.214) 23.556 ms 28.628 ms 23.799 ms
9 sl-bb1-rly-4-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.0.34) 25.143 ms 28.477 ms 24.131 ms
10 beth1sr2-2-0.md.us.ibm.net (165.87.97.226) 30.838 ms 27.282 ms 30.787 ms
11 165.87.29.162 (165.87.29.162) 31.02 ms 29.798 ms 30.854 ms
12 sfra1br2-2-0-1.ca.us.ibm.net (165.87.230.102) 138.019 ms 120.268 ms 137.402 ms
13 165.87.13.42 (165.87.13.42) 126.1 ms 126.464 ms 126.738 ms
14 165.87.161.73 (165.87.161.73) 119.358 ms 120.494 ms 120.174 ms
15 ded1-fe12-0-0.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.83) 117.514 ms 120.036 ms 119.906 ms
16 209.232.138.214 (209.232.138.214) 126.501 ms 123.852 ms 124.8 ms
17 triton.slashdot.org (206.170.14.75) 133.482 ms 127.02 ms 145.201 ms
Maybe, because as far as they are concerned, we are now becoming the mainstream, or at least the more knowledgable of the mainstream, i.e., and they can't get away with complete FUD anymore, because the Internet works to expose FUD really quickly?
:-) I have no respect for certain huge corporate publications that try to cater more to the $$$ from advertisers rather than to the people who actually have to administer it and/or use it. It seems like everything is huge and corporate nowadays, and I hate seeing the hanging threat of business and corporate $$$ all the time affecting our laws from drugs, to software patents, to intellectual property laws, ad inifinitum. All of the worst laws are put there because of greed. Maybe I'm just paranoid. Maybe capitalism wasn't such a good idea because now the government is controlled by greed and money. But then again, every other system has failed at one point or another because of that, and I guess capitalism is no exception at all. Bleh, let me shut up now.
Could that be possible?
I doubt it.
I'm depressed.
See what you did?
This is one stock that is destined to be big. mp3.com is going to be a steal at whatever price they start it off at..
that was a bit premature, it was going then.. but if you simply add gnome-session and gnome-terminal and a few other big packages and carefully keep adding dependencies as thye're needed, it does work. I have it runnon my machine right now.
They work for me! Maybe you screwed something up, but dpkg -i *.deb in the directory I downloaded it from worked..
All you naysayers that think that Mozilla is going nowhere, take a look at www.mozillazine.org
It takes time to develop something stable and working. You don't want Mozilla coming out and being as stable as Gnome is, do you?
You should do
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/dir/where/mozilla/is
export MOZILLA_HOME=/dir/where/mozilla/is
before you try to run apprunner
Take a look there for screenshots and some information on Mozilla and its development.
You might be surprised, but they have progressed very far and have quite a lot to show for it. It will really make a splash when it comes out.
I've seen like a few polls on Slashdot and on other sites that seem to give those figures.
I think it was around 50-55% Red Hat, 25-30% Debian, and the rest was divided between Suse and Caldera and Slackware..
But there's no real market data other than that. I think it's a better reflection of the true market, since those polls asked you what distribution you were running.
I thought that was the point of Debian. It works under the same model that Open Source does.
It has 30% market share, nothing to dismiss. It's the second-most widely used distro.
Maybe your view of the world is warped.
Have you ever considered that?
I think that open source and commercial software can co-exist and feed off each other under Linux. I think that was the point that this essay made.
Open Source and commercial software have different motives and reasons behind them. There is really something in each of those models that can be sold to a particular market.
This is a great rebuttal to the fear that Linux is not a platform developers will want to support.
Open Source is much less of a threat than Microsoft is. It's better to compete on a level playing field. The best thing to do is to develop software on an operating system that is owned by everyone.
More software developers need to get this message. Maybe some of them have realized, and that's why we're getting more and more software being released for Linux.
Don't do that!
Why not tell him that if he's willing to run different software that works just as well, and if he's willing to get used to another operating system, that it would work.
If you want Linux to make it you've got to put a little bit of work into it.
But it's very much worth it.
Is the standard open?
From what I saw on the web page, it didn't seem like I could find out how the compression worked or how to write my own viewer, but maybe I'm wrong.
Eh, fudsters, 40% of windows applications still don't run under W2k...
At least as far as I know...
That's exactly what I'm using it for, as a PDC.
All it does is authenticate passwords, serve roaming profiles, serve files, and serve printers.
The PDC support is very young, you should be able to find help on the samba web site at www.samba.org
I'm using Samba 2.0.2 and setting it up to serve roaming profiles and act as a primary domain controller for a 100 client network.
:-)
It is saving a lot in licensing costs, to say the least.
Looks like I'll just have to spring for the kde 1.1 deb packages. I've never been able to get the insane libraries that gnome wants, and i can't find any deb packages that work right.
Apple sucks because they would be just as bad as Microsoft if they had market share.
Think about it. The hardware is tied to the OS. They are a completely closed company. You have no choice in what vendor you buy hardware from, what operating system to get with the computer, or anything else. They are the epitome of closed systems.
That's why they never were about to compete against PC's.
I submitted this one, and I think it's VERY relevant.
According to the Arcana Mailing List the culture in the U.S. Patent office calls for approving more and more patents, and they're already approving 80% of patent submissions. Here's a cool excerpt from these E-mails from people who've worked for the patent office:
> This needs to be made clear to more people. The Patent Office is heavily
>biased towards rewarding examiners who allow a lot, and it is creating a
>culture to match. Unfortunately, our 'customers' are collectively paying
>the higher costs of confusion and legal help to sort the whole mess out.
Why doesn't anyone listen to scientific research?
I think I saw a posting on here a while ago saying that they've show then kids that have seen porn when they're younger don't turn out any worse than kids who don't see it, or something like that.
So, what's the big deal?
It's not like you're not going to find out from your friends and/or magazines your friends have if you're really looking for it.
Why limit everyone else's freedom?
Damnit! I was hoping Linux would get the credit for Microsoft's downfall, since Linux was starting to make waves before the Microsoft trial.
Ah well.
That's what I did!
And I got the contract! 100 client samba server to go, on hardware that is so much more than would ever be necessary.