I think the whole point is there are thousands of virus/exploit writers that work on all operating systems. I used to know lots of guys in a group called gH, they all were raided the same day by the FBI. These guys wrote plenty of exploits,etc.. and I only know of 2 they every wrote for windows. The fact of the matter is, windows is less secure, and things seem to rarely get patched. So when someone writes something for windows it exists for months, as opposed to something written to exploit *BSD or some linux process which ends up being patched within a week. I understand that theres plenty of Windows boxes out there in comparison however I don't believe thats even a leading reason as to why they are so many 'efficient' and 'global' virus for windows. I would agree that the reason thers 234234324 virii for windows is because of this, mind you thats not the reason thers so many damaging (email) etc.. virii for windows, considering how losely the security is in the OS, and how it hasn't even been a concern for Microsoft in the past.
Too the contrary they've demonstrated countless times they can and will 'stoop to a lower level'.
One words comes to mind, Security Releases, Admission of holes and their nice times about when patches are fixed.
Example:
Some guy publishes problem with IE in say January, in September 10th it makes it in the news, and Microsoft aknowledges a problem. On the 11th in late afternoon Microsoft release a patch, then a press releasing showing it took them just over 24hours to release a working patch for a problem discovered on the 10th of September. (this is relative to their new FUD campaing against Linux) This is not a troll, just a valid account of things that have happened and continue to happen with Microsoft.
Actualy there were lots of adverse side-effects from the vaccine and that is one of the reasons why they stoped. My one cousin for example spends 90% of her time in a mental care facility because she had an adverse reaction to the vaccine and is now extremely mentally handicapped.
Moreover, the company said the issue doesn't affect the latest version of the software, Exchange Server 2003.
Ya, so lets upgrade, and don't worry by the time someone manages to publish a big security flaw in 2003 without microsoft covering the situation up, 2003a or 2004 will be out with new and different flaws, staying ahead of the security analysts everywhere!
Parent is hardly a troll, its my opinion from growing up. I'm 21 now and I know what it is like to be targeted at a school or in the community by other children.
Parents these days (not all but enough of them) do not provide their own kids with the instruction, guidance and a loving home that children need. All the bullies at my school were kids with bad home lives, or poor role models / un-educated parents. As for the kids being teased, instead of waiting for the end of school why not be proactive, use the insults as fuel to get in better shape, or to practice sports so you can join a sports team and fit in better. If you don't want to play sports or get in shape, find something else to do with another group from the school. I think the best thing a teased kid can do with the insults and/or threats is use them as fuel.
Fuel to get better at...
Those violent gun episodes in schools where a bullied kid attacks another student is not only the fault of the bully but the fault of the victum and his parents. The victum for failing to think of the consiquences and for failing to turn the negative situation into positive. The parents fault for failing to notice the childs obvious problems and as well they're inability to instill values and morals into their own childs character. The other half of the problem relies on the bully and his/her parents. Where are they? if the school or other parents have contacted them why havn't they resolved this situation, and morally the bully has to understand what bully'ing is like... maybe his parents should bully him for a day and teach him a lesson? open his eyes? I'm not sure? but I think at least 60% of the blaim is on the parents (both victum and agressor) and the rest lay on the children.
Well, I must say I could talk about a lot of different things here, or bitch about things I don't like what parents do. None the less I'm just going to give you my $0.02 as requested.
I first access another network via BBS (lol) and my parents knew I was on them, but they didn't know what I was doing all the time. They asked questions (IMPORTANT) but they didn't sit behind me the whole time I was there.
My mother has said a few things to try and protect me from making foolish mistakes online such as "looking at pictures of naked women under 18 is illegal". I didn't mind hearing stuff like that. I first got a computer in my room when.... I bought a computer in my room. The idea was if I took the responsibility to get a job, earn $1500 and buy a computer, put it together, and maintain it then I could have a computer in my room... provided I did certain things such as, not allways tie up the phone line, do school work, etc.. If your really worried about your kids online, you should talk about the risk from giving out personal information and inform them of the dangers to downloading things or going into sites which show explicid material. I've lived through my parents devorce, which I must say was very hard (at age 15) and the things that made it easier where communication, my parents let my brother have my dad's car and didn't tell any neighbours so we were entrusted to tell our friends when we were ready to. I guess what I'm saying is communication, trust (both ways) are the most important things to build/work at. Start with strict rules, and when they show responsibility in respecting these rules then in time increase your distance and trust you instill in them. Also sometimes when a teenager is acting out a lot its because the rules are too strict or there being smoothered. Something I remember my principle telling a few of us in highschool was "We have a no hats rule, because sometimes teenagers need a rule to break, and thats one of the reasons rules like that exist"
My Parents spent time telling me rights and wrongs repididly when I was younger, but as I grew up some things where just not mentioned so I could make decesions and I could make mistakes. The comment by the Parent who said "My House, my Electricity, my network, etc.." thats very true. When they turn 18, move out, get taken advantage of, become(get someone) pregnant, be introduced to drugs/alcohol, and freedom.... how will you sheild them now? or is it their own fault now that there 18??
I must say a PERFECT example of this is a girl I went to elmentary school with. She was so sheltered she had to wait until she was 16 to use the phone in a room without her parents. She was not allowed out on hallowen. Etc.. she had no rules to break, only strict rules to follow. So when she got into highschool she was introduced to drugs.. she got a chance to party and she went over board, got into weed (not a big deal ) however thats what got her pregnant.. and of course her parents FORCED her to have the baby, they secluded her from the world after she was 4-5months pregnant, and they FORCED her to give the baby up. Poor girl.
Everyone on here is bitching away how the Debian 'installer' sucks. I think what you mean is their old installer sucked ass. How can you call this one shity, when it has everything but pretty pictures? Text is nice, and I for one don't need a picture for everything while I install a system. How can you say its only up to 'redhat 7' when it has everything redhat9.2 has and more. Realize that this is a new installer, this story is not called 'Lets bitch about the 'installer' and assume it still sucks like the old one'. This is not a flaimbait.... I just want people to know that debian did what was needed. A new installer, and look a new installer is what they've come up with.
Understand something before you make statements about it. The installer 'is up to redhat7.0 standards'. Lets avoid ignorant statements, and obviously flaimbaits.
This is not a flaimbait, its just my discust of having all these mod 3+ posts that talk about it sucking etc etc.. I think we all know the old one sucked, becaise it was extremely old, broken and missing important features.
Are you smoking something? Your going to turn over documents, turn over things that you don't even know whether SCO has rights to them because your too lazy to get legal defence? If your subpoenaed you get a lawyer. Its not a complicated thing, when your dealing with anything tied into a large legal case or your character you get a lawyer.
This is a great development. It demonstrates the Open Source communities Strength to come together and defend its code as an entity. Considering how many thousands? hundred of thousands? millions? of people are involved in the Open Source community actions like this make the community look very 'organized' despite the fact of geographical, racial and culural differences. SCO will be hard pressed to claim the community is 'un-organized' with actions like these.
As well I think its safe to say had this not happened in such a quick fashion the community would have supported his legal defence.
People will fund entities who stand for their own views. - Me - Now
Knoppix, Live CD, includes a simple, graphical install for the harddrive that can be run from the live cd, very nice.
Knoppix is another Debian based distro one can consider. It runs from the live CD, with wicked WICKED auto-hardware detection. You can install to the harddrive by running one command that brings up a nice user-friendly graphical install.
Knoppix has blown me away... the thing detected everything I have these stupid USB speakers that sony made, deemed Microsoft USB Speaker system... and it detected that, amazing!
Microsoft Windows can't even get the speakers picked out right on the first try!
Say no thanks and vote at home? Forget to bring your PIN to the office? Forget to take it to church? Tell them to fuckoff?
This is Canada. I'm not sure where you are but no one I konw in London Ontario is going to let there boss force them to vote a certain way. You've got to be kidding me.
Assuming the logs are accessible at the time of the election and that they can be read, also assuming that there are not backup's, time stamps and other checks in place.
I think your forgetting that even out of the "40% of the population researches, interrogates and cares" most people don't understand how everything works. I hopefully won't receive a flaimbait for this, but take the NDP (in Canada).. they want everything to be a free and more funding for this that and that and yet only a small tax increase. They create such funding problems that they essentially cause damage that takes 5x the amount of time to reverse. Politics is all about business, providing the people who need funding with funding, but the line has to be drawn somewhere or else we don't balance the books and we add to our nice total of billions we owe. Most people don't understand that, and even if we encourage more lazy votes in this way, your # of informed voters will still be extremely low.. I believe 40% is more along the lines of 15%.
My $0.02:P
I don't know about you, but my GrandFather is 75 years old and he isn't going to change his vote based on some 'aid' person or a friend of the family. He votes for what he wants. Lets not assume old people are stupid, sometimes they may be gullable by new a fraud scheme but they understand the voting process better then some of us.
You assuming every connection and vote via the webpage is not logged seperately. Your also assuming that all the phone conversations, data exchanged and votes placed are not stored per operator plus in the database.
Here in Canada.. it is possible for weather to be the reason people don't come out and vote. If you've just spent an hour and 30minutes driving through the snow in a normal 25minute drive, you may think twice about the 15minute drive to the nearest polling station.
Ok lets think about this. Tommorow morning SCO has a press conference and says they have to fold as they have run out of money to cover legal costs. They also state on there way out the door, that "They believe they were right, and wish they had the money to take down IBM, and other IP infringers". Can they do something like this? I think it would seriously hurt open-source because no one could fight back, the company would be gone but their statements would be everywhere. A crazy idea, but just came to me and I tought I might inquire as to the possibilities of something like this happening. Can SCO legally do something like I mentioned above? Will they? Will it be a big blow to Open-Source?
When they take a certain product on the market. Say Graphic Development Studios (like photoshop) and now integrated a similar program into the OS, I believe that to be anti competitive. Lets not forget in Windows if something is Integrated into the OS the odds are that you have to live with it or go on a extreme journey to remove that said 'feature'. Another thing, you can't compare adding something to linux, because everything in linux is free, and easily installable/uninstallble (besides the base system). The OS is supposed to be the OS with common utilities needed to use it. The OS should not be the OS and 500 software programs integrated in. I do see the fine line which you speak of, but they crossed it along time ago, and now their closing in on the next 'line'. I watched anti-trust last night, kinda makes you think. Does microsoft buy ideas from small companies and put them in their OS and put the small companies out of business? I wouldn't doubt on it... so thers no killing like in anti-trust, but the rest of the problems I would assume exist or do in some similar manner.
I cannot see in any way how all the new 'integration' is even close to fair to competitors! There now building everything inside the OS, so basically your being forced to use there stuff no matter what. Macromedia should sue the pants off MS as soon as it can aquire enough information of new Anti-Trust movements which are directed at the market place and their own companies software Flash.
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I think the whole point is there are thousands of virus/exploit writers that work on all operating systems. I used to know lots of guys in a group called gH, they all were raided the same day by the FBI. These guys wrote plenty of exploits,etc.. and I only know of 2 they every wrote for windows. The fact of the matter is, windows is less secure, and things seem to rarely get patched. So when someone writes something for windows it exists for months, as opposed to something written to exploit *BSD or some linux process which ends up being patched within a week. I understand that theres plenty of Windows boxes out there in comparison however I don't believe thats even a leading reason as to why they are so many 'efficient' and 'global' virus for windows. I would agree that the reason thers 234234324 virii for windows is because of this, mind you thats not the reason thers so many damaging (email) etc.. virii for windows, considering how losely the security is in the OS, and how it hasn't even been a concern for Microsoft in the past.
Victory is ours!
bring back FAMILY GUY!
If I had the cash I would. IANAL but if my understaing of my country laws are correct I could infact sue. go canada go!! :)
Too the contrary they've demonstrated countless times they can and will 'stoop to a lower level'. One words comes to mind, Security Releases, Admission of holes and their nice times about when patches are fixed.
Example:
Some guy publishes problem with IE in say January, in September 10th it makes it in the news, and Microsoft aknowledges a problem. On the 11th in late afternoon Microsoft release a patch, then a press releasing showing it took them just over 24hours to release a working patch for a problem discovered on the 10th of September. (this is relative to their new FUD campaing against Linux) This is not a troll, just a valid account of things that have happened and continue to happen with Microsoft.
Actualy there were lots of adverse side-effects from the vaccine and that is one of the reasons why they stoped. My one cousin for example spends 90% of her time in a mental care facility because she had an adverse reaction to the vaccine and is now extremely mentally handicapped.
Actually its an error considering when the login FAILS you can still send email. RTFA!!!
Parent is hardly a troll, its my opinion from growing up. I'm 21 now and I know what it is like to be targeted at a school or in the community by other children.
Parents these days (not all but enough of them) do not provide their own kids with the instruction, guidance and a loving home that children need. All the bullies at my school were kids with bad home lives, or poor role models / un-educated parents. As for the kids being teased, instead of waiting for the end of school why not be proactive, use the insults as fuel to get in better shape, or to practice sports so you can join a sports team and fit in better. If you don't want to play sports or get in shape, find something else to do with another group from the school. I think the best thing a teased kid can do with the insults and/or threats is use them as fuel.
...
Fuel to get better at
Those violent gun episodes in schools where a bullied kid attacks another student is not only the fault of the bully but the fault of the victum and his parents. The victum for failing to think of the consiquences and for failing to turn the negative situation into positive. The parents fault for failing to notice the childs obvious problems and as well they're inability to instill values and morals into their own childs character. The other half of the problem relies on the bully and his/her parents. Where are they? if the school or other parents have contacted them why havn't they resolved this situation, and morally the bully has to understand what bully'ing is like... maybe his parents should bully him for a day and teach him a lesson? open his eyes? I'm not sure? but I think at least 60% of the blaim is on the parents (both victum and agressor) and the rest lay on the children.
Well, I must say I could talk about a lot of different things here, or bitch about things I don't like what parents do. None the less I'm just going to give you my $0.02 as requested.
.... I bought a computer in my room. The idea was if I took the responsibility to get a job, earn $1500 and buy a computer, put it together, and maintain it then I could have a computer in my room... provided I did certain things such as, not allways tie up the phone line, do school work, etc.. If your really worried about your kids online, you should talk about the risk from giving out personal information and inform them of the dangers to downloading things or going into sites which show explicid material. I've lived through my parents devorce, which I must say was very hard (at age 15) and the things that made it easier where communication, my parents let my brother have my dad's car and didn't tell any neighbours so we were entrusted to tell our friends when we were ready to. I guess what I'm saying is communication, trust (both ways) are the most important things to build/work at. Start with strict rules, and when they show responsibility in respecting these rules then in time increase your distance and trust you instill in them. Also sometimes when a teenager is acting out a lot its because the rules are too strict or there being smoothered. Something I remember my principle telling a few of us in highschool was "We have a no hats rule, because sometimes teenagers need a rule to break, and thats one of the reasons rules like that exist"
.... how will you sheild them now? or is it their own fault now that there 18??
I first access another network via BBS (lol) and my parents knew I was on them, but they didn't know what I was doing all the time. They asked questions (IMPORTANT) but they didn't sit behind me the whole time I was there.
My mother has said a few things to try and protect me from making foolish mistakes online such as "looking at pictures of naked women under 18 is illegal". I didn't mind hearing stuff like that. I first got a computer in my room when
My Parents spent time telling me rights and wrongs repididly when I was younger, but as I grew up some things where just not mentioned so I could make decesions and I could make mistakes. The comment by the Parent who said "My House, my Electricity, my network, etc.." thats very true. When they turn 18, move out, get taken advantage of, become(get someone) pregnant, be introduced to drugs/alcohol, and freedom
I must say a PERFECT example of this is a girl I went to elmentary school with. She was so sheltered she had to wait until she was 16 to use the phone in a room without her parents. She was not allowed out on hallowen. Etc.. she had no rules to break, only strict rules to follow. So when she got into highschool she was introduced to drugs.. she got a chance to party and she went over board, got into weed (not a big deal ) however thats what got her pregnant.. and of course her parents FORCED her to have the baby, they secluded her from the world after she was 4-5months pregnant, and they FORCED her to give the baby up. Poor girl.
Communicate,
Love,
Build Trust / Trust
Everyone on here is bitching away how the Debian 'installer' sucks. I think what you mean is their old installer sucked ass. How can you call this one shity, when it has everything but pretty pictures? Text is nice, and I for one don't need a picture for everything while I install a system. How can you say its only up to 'redhat 7' when it has everything redhat9.2 has and more. Realize that this is a new installer, this story is not called 'Lets bitch about the 'installer' and assume it still sucks like the old one'. This is not a flaimbait.... I just want people to know that debian did what was needed. A new installer, and look a new installer is what they've come up with. Understand something before you make statements about it. The installer 'is up to redhat7.0 standards'. Lets avoid ignorant statements, and obviously flaimbaits. This is not a flaimbait, its just my discust of having all these mod 3+ posts that talk about it sucking etc etc.. I think we all know the old one sucked, becaise it was extremely old, broken and missing important features.
Are you smoking something? Your going to turn over documents, turn over things that you don't even know whether SCO has rights to them because your too lazy to get legal defence? If your subpoenaed you get a lawyer. Its not a complicated thing, when your dealing with anything tied into a large legal case or your character you get a lawyer.
This is a great development. It demonstrates the Open Source communities Strength to come together and defend its code as an entity. Considering how many thousands? hundred of thousands? millions? of people are involved in the Open Source community actions like this make the community look very 'organized' despite the fact of geographical, racial and culural differences. SCO will be hard pressed to claim the community is 'un-organized' with actions like these.
As well I think its safe to say had this not happened in such a quick fashion the community would have supported his legal defence.
People will fund entities who stand for their own views. - Me - Now
Knoppix, Live CD, includes a simple, graphical install for the harddrive that can be run from the live cd, very nice. Knoppix is another Debian based distro one can consider. It runs from the live CD, with wicked WICKED auto-hardware detection. You can install to the harddrive by running one command that brings up a nice user-friendly graphical install. Knoppix has blown me away... the thing detected everything I have these stupid USB speakers that sony made, deemed Microsoft USB Speaker system... and it detected that, amazing! Microsoft Windows can't even get the speakers picked out right on the first try!
Where is my SCO story? theres been an IBM vs. SCO story up at groklaw.net since earlier today! I want my SCO FOR the day!!!
Say no thanks and vote at home? Forget to bring your PIN to the office? Forget to take it to church? Tell them to fuckoff? This is Canada. I'm not sure where you are but no one I konw in London Ontario is going to let there boss force them to vote a certain way. You've got to be kidding me.
Assuming the logs are accessible at the time of the election and that they can be read, also assuming that there are not backup's, time stamps and other checks in place.
I think your forgetting that even out of the "40% of the population researches, interrogates and cares" most people don't understand how everything works. I hopefully won't receive a flaimbait for this, but take the NDP (in Canada).. they want everything to be a free and more funding for this that and that and yet only a small tax increase. They create such funding problems that they essentially cause damage that takes 5x the amount of time to reverse. Politics is all about business, providing the people who need funding with funding, but the line has to be drawn somewhere or else we don't balance the books and we add to our nice total of billions we owe. Most people don't understand that, and even if we encourage more lazy votes in this way, your # of informed voters will still be extremely low.. I believe 40% is more along the lines of 15%. My $0.02 :P
I don't know about you, but my GrandFather is 75 years old and he isn't going to change his vote based on some 'aid' person or a friend of the family. He votes for what he wants. Lets not assume old people are stupid, sometimes they may be gullable by new a fraud scheme but they understand the voting process better then some of us.
You assuming every connection and vote via the webpage is not logged seperately. Your also assuming that all the phone conversations, data exchanged and votes placed are not stored per operator plus in the database.
Here in Canada.. it is possible for weather to be the reason people don't come out and vote. If you've just spent an hour and 30minutes driving through the snow in a normal 25minute drive, you may think twice about the 15minute drive to the nearest polling station.
Are you sure?? if they were allready in trouble before say 'owning $40million' then they only got $10million, now they claim its all spent... no?
Ok lets think about this. Tommorow morning SCO has a press conference and says they have to fold as they have run out of money to cover legal costs. They also state on there way out the door, that "They believe they were right, and wish they had the money to take down IBM, and other IP infringers". Can they do something like this? I think it would seriously hurt open-source because no one could fight back, the company would be gone but their statements would be everywhere. A crazy idea, but just came to me and I tought I might inquire as to the possibilities of something like this happening. Can SCO legally do something like I mentioned above? Will they? Will it be a big blow to Open-Source?
When they take a certain product on the market. Say Graphic Development Studios (like photoshop) and now integrated a similar program into the OS, I believe that to be anti competitive. Lets not forget in Windows if something is Integrated into the OS the odds are that you have to live with it or go on a extreme journey to remove that said 'feature'. Another thing, you can't compare adding something to linux, because everything in linux is free, and easily installable/uninstallble (besides the base system). The OS is supposed to be the OS with common utilities needed to use it. The OS should not be the OS and 500 software programs integrated in. I do see the fine line which you speak of, but they crossed it along time ago, and now their closing in on the next 'line'. I watched anti-trust last night, kinda makes you think. Does microsoft buy ideas from small companies and put them in their OS and put the small companies out of business? I wouldn't doubt on it... so thers no killing like in anti-trust, but the rest of the problems I would assume exist or do in some similar manner.
I cannot see in any way how all the new 'integration' is even close to fair to competitors! There now building everything inside the OS, so basically your being forced to use there stuff no matter what. Macromedia should sue the pants off MS as soon as it can aquire enough information of new Anti-Trust movements which are directed at the market place and their own companies software Flash.