Welcome to Australia. Firstly, do you live in an area where the local telco exchange has third party DSLAMs installed? If so, forget whats mentioned below. You can get up to 24mbit ADSL2 you lucky barstard.
You don't? We'll, your're like me. Welcome to telco monopoly by default. Whats a Baby Bell? Sorry, Baby Bell everywhere in the country only means one word: "Toolstra". Pity, we're stuck with only up to 1.5mbit ADSL.
(I'm on 512/128k ADSL with 15gb cap for $50 which ain't too bad, but where my ISP has installed their own DSLAMs people are getting up to 24mbits for the same price).
Cable? Whats that? Unlike our friends in America the whole country isn't cabled in DOCSIS lovin'. It took a while for the Pay TV battlers to figure out their shit didn't sell (and still doesn't), rolling two networks in the one street is stupid and the local city councils don't like them. Lucky? $70 for 10mbit/128k with 12gb. Less lucky because the only cable provider is a certain evil telco whos initals are N.C? ADSL pricing and speeds for you!
Live in outer suburbs? On a farm? On pair gain? Sorry, ISDN is for you. Want something faster? Geostationary orbit sattelites provide you with unencrypted data transmission for crappy prices. Just move somewhere else dammit.
Want access on to go? GPRS? $50AUD p/m on top of voice plan for 500mb. Don't want to pay $50? Sorry, anywhere from 0.11-2.2c/KB for j00.
Frontpage Express can generate pages that use frontpage serve extensions, google Frontpage Express and see if pages created by that work.
You're probably better off paying a small amount for PHP/MySQL/CGI capable webspace though.
I've been thinking of anti theft protection for laptops recently, and the flaw in most software is that they assume you will somehow end up on a open network which isn't firewalled.
One way around that is to put in a celluar radio, not only will it allow net access almost anywhere where coverage exists, it can be used to call home and do lots of things easily. Perhaps port LinuxBIOS to the laptop (if you can get the docs) and set it to self destruct on bootup remotely, not sure if any trapping is possible via LinuxBIOS while an user operating system is runnning.
The biggest barrier here is that there isn't many (I couldn't find any) intergrated cellular radios in miniPCI (probably due to power requirements?) form which would be suitable to plug in, I know Telstra down here in Aus is ordering rugged laptops from Fujitsu with an integrated GPRS radio (or perhaps CDMA judging by their recent monopoly boosting stance) to replace HP PDA's for field techs, but thats about all I've heard.
oh yeah, The WoW EMU community is well alive. Blizzard sent C&Ds to some sites, then (shock horror!) nice 'voluntary C&D' letters to others, quite a few caved in, but well...
Strange how Palm(One) PDA's appear to have a high failure rate by the time the units end up on the shelves.
I bought a Zire 31 last year and released later that night the battery appeared to shoot itself even before the thing was fully charged. I contacted PalmOne, they said to return it to the store within 30 days, I did it after 15 (I'm lazy) and the store guy said "Sorry we have a 14 day returns policy". I said "PalmOne said within 30 days". They ring up PalmOne and they are told to give me a replacement or (basically) expect angry words at their head office guys for breach of distribution contract (this is in Australia where all PalmOne distributors are supposed to be in agreement for a 30 day return policy).
Wake up this morning and I find my Treo 600 appears to have shat itself with a simular problem - it couldn't detect if the charger was plugged in nor did it have a working battery meter. I wasted a few hours attempting to 1) perform the battery disconnect reset 2) contact palmone 3) discharge it by way of playing music with screen and wireless mode on. Then I gave it a few wacks on the back and problem solved.
Pity how Palm(One) appears to have such a high failure rate, I've been quite happy with every PDA of theirs I've owned anyway, from the m100, Zire 31 and Treo 600. I bought a palm III second hand to help me organize my school stuff but the screen failed in my pocket, so I've been paranoid about how much pressure I allow my devices to be under since, although none of them have glass screens.
Pathetic? I don't think so. Pathetic compared to what? Judging from the two OS 5 devices I have used, the Zire 31 and Treo 600, they run quite smoothly. I can't speak for those who used later model OS 4 devices but those like me who had OS 3 ones and upgraded to OS 5 ARM devices haven't noticed.
If an application developer isn't interested in coding optimizations for OS 5 devices, well, your're the customer.
One good thing about PalmOS is backwards compatibility. Go out and buy some old Palm device such as a Palm III series or maybe m10x and find some apps for it.
Quite a few applications still support these devices, and if it was made by Palm you can upgrade them to OS 4 too.
I'd be interested in seeing it run on x86 natively (emulators already exist).
The PalmOS Simulator (NOT POSE) basically is PalmOS for x86, native components have to be in Windows.dlls and PACE (the 68k PRC environment for OS 5*) does the rest. Also does some emulation of GSM and CDMA radios.
And oh, Every PalmOS > 5 handheld runs an ARM processor these days. Ok, maybe some of the newer devices aren't in the Just Works(TM) category, but every PalmOS device i've used up to the Treo 600 I have here Just Works(TM).
* I haven't spent much time reading over PalmOS dev docs (I'm using the SuperWaba java language) but PalmSource doesn't seem to distribute the native ARM toolkit (FAST) anymore , instead asking developers to code PACE Native components and/or use the OS 6 Protein API.
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I'm a die hard NetBeans fan too. I'd be lost without it.
I don't really have a problem with the use of Swing at all, and NetBeans looks nice when your using the native look'n'feel from the 1.5 JDK.
I'm a person with Aspergers myself, while I'm increedibly smart for my age (14,11 months. Yes, thats 14years,11 months), I don't have an incredibly good social life, along with various other problems which have bogged me down. Interesting though that in this time article (just borrow the magazine from your local library) he says he managed to control some symptoms (in particular the urge to go out and flame people publically that we share) through various tactics, something which I have had extreme trouble controlling in the past. And like him, I basically learned everything {Java,Perl,some C,PHP,Linux} myself.
GNU Classpath and JamVM are smaller and faster than Suns JRE but they may not run Azureus yet. IIRC Azureus uses native GUI widgets by way of the Eclipse SWT so if JamVM supports the required communication methods between VM and System alright, then it won't be too hard to run.
I'm an Atomic MPC subscriber. I recieve the mag monthly and quite like it. As part of this change I am now a 'Green' member so I can continue to post in those sections.
The problem in this case is that people who signed up for the sign usually haven't ever read the magazine at all, making Haymarket publishing run the site at a big loss.
Furthermore, the sections talked about here (General Chat particularly and Trademart) are the only section a lot of users on the site look at, not only that, those same people never bought or subscribed to the magazine.
I fully support Haymarket in this decision so they don't have to waste money on supporting loss making websites instead of creating a good magazine.
Keep in mind there are OTHER forums on that site which will continue to be TOTALLY FREE OF CHARGE. Infact, the majority of my posts on AtomicMPC haven't been in the forums now marked for green access only.
BTW Whirlpool.net.au (an australian broadband forum) removed their general chat section completely and replaced it with a few member only lounges which only regular participants can see. They have never looked back... Although rumors of a secret club of the site creators beer drinking mates sharing a private forum on that site for $900 a year still circulate (i.e G.U.W.P.C.T)
I don't see a lot of difference between various games as of late. While there have been good attempts at creating unique concepts, where has the innovation gone?
All it is in the game industry now is: 1. Hire dev team 2. Come up with rehash of existing game concept 3. Push them to release some buggy piece of s**t which will require 2 patches to fix after release 4. ??? 5. Profit!
True. Leaked builds have had NT 6.0 for ages. NT 5.2 is WinServer2003 AFAIK.
DEVELOPER RANT: don't use if (win_version == nt5.1) use if (win_version >= nt51). It sucks, when I played around with the LH Alpha leaks, a lot of software didn't work out of the box because they didn't know what NT 6.0 is. Your firm may go bankrupt long before the LH release but don't go screwing your customers of any forwards compatibility.
But congrats to the Mozilla devs for having good native UI integration - Mozilla looks really good under LH 3653 and LH 4008 and the plex theme.
And among all the talk about LH being souped up XP in the past few days, isn't this feature called Aero still under lock and key? Or have M$ Shafted that too?
Its 2008. I haven't heard of any moves to push it back.
Walk into any major retailer (dick smith, myer etc.) and 95% of the display space is taken up by widescreen TV's, most bundled with a set top box.
Can we just ban the sale of a new TV without a set top box or intergrated reciever?
But anyway, Foxtel (and soon Optus) are having more luck signing up people to their [crappy?] digital (or in the Optus case - soon to be) services at last count than the retailers have had selling intergrated digital TV's and STBs.
Funny, just as I was writing that my ISP turned on 18mbps ADSL2+ services where they had DSLAMS:
http://whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/1472?show=repl ies
Pity economics mean that I either move or wait a looong time before I get that.
Yeah but a B device on a G network will make all G clients B.
Only one chipset I know of gets around this, Conexant's Prism54 has a 'Nitro' mode which takes care of B and G clients without speed problems.
I suggest you go out on the street with netstubler though, people are going to be pissed if a council installation knocks out their network.
Its actually not that expensive now that ISPs frustrated with the main Tel^Monopoly are installing their own equipment and providing good deals.
Main ADSL speeds are 256/64, 512/128, 1500/256 and 512/512, but you have to be able to get 1500/256 to get any, because downstream will sync at 1500 regardless of connection though, so my 512/128 is really 1500/128 shaped at 512/128.
Note that Australia IS NOT CABLED (i.e HFC) ALL OVER. The councils marched on the telcos when they wanted to duplicate networks years ago and as such most parts of Australia will never see any HFC coax. Ever. The cable ISP that rolled out cable in my city who wanted to cable more is currently being bought out by its frustrated venture captialists. Why? The company only subscribed 12,000 out of its 85,000 locations covered, and offered plans higher than the highest cost national ISP, BigPond.
Anyway, my 512/128 @ $49p/m for 16gb then 56k shaping is good value for me.
Yep, just because you can use it to pirate something doesn't mean its illegal, and the recording industry can't grasp that.
In Australia, a pratice used by some ISPs to attract users is to offer free/'unmetered' traffic to certain desintations, in People Telecoms (was known as Swiftel's case), unmetered traffic between users.(there aren't any 'completely unlimited' broadband plans in Australia yet, because the main DSL wholesaler and monopoly Telco, Telstra, charges an arm and leg to transport data over their network. Thats ~$900AU to have a 1500/256 connection download at 150k constantly. ISPs have offered user-to-user, peering exchange or ISP mirror/server traffic as some ways to differentiate themselves without blowing the bank.)
And what do the ISP fanboys do? Set up their own DC++ or Bittorrent trackers. This is what happened here. People Telecom was acting as the common carrier, nothing else.
I should do what Linux Australia did: distribute open software with names matching hollywood movies and threaten to sue them every time a fake C&D comes. Repeat until it costs more to defend a fake C&D than issue another potentially fake ones.
Same here with a Treo 600. Although the CPU power is less than current palm devices (so the upper limit is ~200kbps Ogg), it works well with a 256mB SD card and AeroPlayer.
To Sony: Whoopee Fucking Doo.
The mum and dad user wants to walk in to a computer store and buy some boxed package, not download ISO's and burn them - in fact, the lowest priced "broadband" plans, of which are targeted at the Mum and Dad market don't have enough quota to download a distro for "free".
A lot of the Choice/Australian Consumer Assocation reviews get coverage on TV, so it would be interesting to see this on TV.
IMHO, Choice reviews appears to be about getting more per $, but this is their first OS review so maybe the next one might be better.
The maximum down/up on the Telstra wholesale network is 1536/256k. No exceptions. Want more upload speed? Pay for 512/512, which is actually 1536 downstream shaped down at the Telstra network level. Of course - you still have to qualify for a 1536/256k service. If you don't: Too bad. Your line may be capable of a "OMFG IT ISN'T BROADBAND" 256/64 or 512/128 service, but Telstra doesn't care.
However, in Areas where iiNet have installed their own DSLAM's, the upload speed is unlocked, i.e it will go right up to the max up speed suppored by the users phyiscal phone line.
Bandwidth costs suck bigtime here in Aus - ~$800 per megabit or on a ratio of in/out are the usual pricing options. Want a 100mbit Ethernet Internet connection? - Telstra would rather you take something a lot lot less.
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Welcome to Australia. Firstly, do you live in an area where the local telco exchange has third party DSLAMs installed? If so, forget whats mentioned below. You can get up to 24mbit ADSL2 you lucky barstard.
You don't? We'll, your're like me. Welcome to telco monopoly by default. Whats a Baby Bell? Sorry, Baby Bell everywhere in the country only means one word: "Toolstra". Pity, we're stuck with only up to 1.5mbit ADSL.
(I'm on 512/128k ADSL with 15gb cap for $50 which ain't too bad, but where my ISP has installed their own DSLAMs people are getting up to 24mbits for the same price).
Cable? Whats that? Unlike our friends in America the whole country isn't cabled in DOCSIS lovin'. It took a while for the Pay TV battlers to figure out their shit didn't sell (and still doesn't), rolling two networks in the one street is stupid and the local city councils don't like them. Lucky? $70 for 10mbit/128k with 12gb. Less lucky because the only cable provider is a certain evil telco whos initals are N.C? ADSL pricing and speeds for you!
Live in outer suburbs? On a farm? On pair gain? Sorry, ISDN is for you. Want something faster? Geostationary orbit sattelites provide you with unencrypted data transmission for crappy prices. Just move somewhere else dammit.
Want access on to go? GPRS? $50AUD p/m on top of voice plan for 500mb. Don't want to pay $50? Sorry, anywhere from 0.11-2.2c/KB for j00.
Lousy Telstra. Want to roll your own network in regional Australia? sorry, thats a monopoly too. My ISP had to use microwave.
Frontpage Express can generate pages that use frontpage serve extensions, google Frontpage Express and see if pages created by that work. You're probably better off paying a small amount for PHP/MySQL/CGI capable webspace though.
I've been thinking of anti theft protection for laptops recently, and the flaw in most software is that they assume you will somehow end up on a open network which isn't firewalled.
One way around that is to put in a celluar radio, not only will it allow net access almost anywhere where coverage exists, it can be used to call home and do lots of things easily. Perhaps port LinuxBIOS to the laptop (if you can get the docs) and set it to self destruct on bootup remotely, not sure if any trapping is possible via LinuxBIOS while an user operating system is runnning.
The biggest barrier here is that there isn't many (I couldn't find any) intergrated cellular radios in miniPCI (probably due to power requirements?) form which would be suitable to plug in, I know Telstra down here in Aus is ordering rugged laptops from Fujitsu with an integrated GPRS radio (or perhaps CDMA judging by their recent monopoly boosting stance) to replace HP PDA's for field techs, but thats about all I've heard.
oh yeah, The WoW EMU community is well alive. Blizzard sent C&Ds to some sites, then (shock horror!) nice 'voluntary C&D' letters to others, quite a few caved in, but well...
This reminds me of Dozomo, that 'internet commandline' created for the 24hour Dotcom. The two basically do the same thing afaik.
Slashdot does this to see if you are posting from a open proxy.
Strange how Palm(One) PDA's appear to have a high failure rate by the time the units end up on the shelves.
I bought a Zire 31 last year and released later that night the battery appeared to shoot itself even before the thing was fully charged. I contacted PalmOne, they said to return it to the store within 30 days, I did it after 15 (I'm lazy) and the store guy said "Sorry we have a 14 day returns policy". I said "PalmOne said within 30 days". They ring up PalmOne and they are told to give me a replacement or (basically) expect angry words at their head office guys for breach of distribution contract (this is in Australia where all PalmOne distributors are supposed to be in agreement for a 30 day return policy).
Wake up this morning and I find my Treo 600 appears to have shat itself with a simular problem - it couldn't detect if the charger was plugged in nor did it have a working battery meter. I wasted a few hours attempting to 1) perform the battery disconnect reset 2) contact palmone 3) discharge it by way of playing music with screen and wireless mode on. Then I gave it a few wacks on the back and problem solved.
Pity how Palm(One) appears to have such a high failure rate, I've been quite happy with every PDA of theirs I've owned anyway, from the m100, Zire 31 and Treo 600. I bought a palm III second hand to help me organize my school stuff but the screen failed in my pocket, so I've been paranoid about how much pressure I allow my devices to be under since, although none of them have glass screens.
Pathetic? I don't think so. Pathetic compared to what? Judging from the two OS 5 devices I have used, the Zire 31 and Treo 600, they run quite smoothly. I can't speak for those who used later model OS 4 devices but those like me who had OS 3 ones and upgraded to OS 5 ARM devices haven't noticed.
If an application developer isn't interested in coding optimizations for OS 5 devices, well, your're the customer.
One good thing about PalmOS is backwards compatibility. Go out and buy some old Palm device such as a Palm III series or maybe m10x and find some apps for it.
Quite a few applications still support these devices, and if it was made by Palm you can upgrade them to OS 4 too.
I'd be interested in seeing it run on x86 natively (emulators already exist).
.dlls and PACE (the 68k PRC environment for OS 5*) does the rest. Also does some emulation of GSM and CDMA radios.
The PalmOS Simulator (NOT POSE) basically is PalmOS for x86, native components have to be in Windows
And oh, Every PalmOS > 5 handheld runs an ARM processor these days. Ok, maybe some of the newer devices aren't in the Just Works(TM) category, but every PalmOS device i've used up to the Treo 600 I have here Just Works(TM).
* I haven't spent much time reading over PalmOS dev docs (I'm using the SuperWaba java language) but PalmSource doesn't seem to distribute the native ARM toolkit (FAST) anymore , instead asking developers to code PACE Native components and/or use the OS 6 Protein API.
I'm a die hard NetBeans fan too. I'd be lost without it. I don't really have a problem with the use of Swing at all, and NetBeans looks nice when your using the native look'n'feel from the 1.5 JDK.
I'm a person with Aspergers myself, while I'm increedibly smart for my age (14,11 months. Yes, thats 14years,11 months), I don't have an incredibly good social life, along with various other problems which have bogged me down. Interesting though that in this time article (just borrow the magazine from your local library) he says he managed to control some symptoms (in particular the urge to go out and flame people publically that we share) through various tactics, something which I have had extreme trouble controlling in the past. And like him, I basically learned everything {Java,Perl,some C,PHP,Linux} myself.
Good on him.
GNU Classpath and JamVM are smaller and faster than Suns JRE but they may not run Azureus yet. IIRC Azureus uses native GUI widgets by way of the Eclipse SWT so if JamVM supports the required communication methods between VM and System alright, then it won't be too hard to run.
I'm an Atomic MPC subscriber. I recieve the mag monthly and quite like it. As part of this change I am now a 'Green' member so I can continue to post in those sections.
The problem in this case is that people who signed up for the sign usually haven't ever read the magazine at all, making Haymarket publishing run the site at a big loss.
Furthermore, the sections talked about here (General Chat particularly and Trademart) are the only section a lot of users on the site look at, not only that, those same people never bought or subscribed to the magazine.
I fully support Haymarket in this decision so they don't have to waste money on supporting loss making websites instead of creating a good magazine.
Keep in mind there are OTHER forums on that site which will continue to be TOTALLY FREE OF CHARGE. Infact, the majority of my posts on AtomicMPC haven't been in the forums now marked for green access only.
BTW Whirlpool.net.au (an australian broadband forum) removed their general chat section completely and replaced it with a few member only lounges which only regular participants can see. They have never looked back... Although rumors of a secret club of the site creators beer drinking mates sharing a private forum on that site for $900 a year still circulate (i.e G.U.W.P.C.T)
I don't see a lot of difference between various games as of late. While there have been good attempts at creating unique concepts, where has the innovation gone?
All it is in the game industry now is:
1. Hire dev team
2. Come up with rehash of existing game concept
3. Push them to release some buggy piece of s**t which will require 2 patches to fix after release
4. ???
5. Profit!
Sad thing is the above is actually true.
True. Leaked builds have had NT 6.0 for ages. NT 5.2 is WinServer2003 AFAIK.
DEVELOPER RANT: don't use if (win_version == nt5.1) use if (win_version >= nt51). It sucks, when I played around with the LH Alpha leaks, a lot of software didn't work out of the box because they didn't know what NT 6.0 is. Your firm may go bankrupt long before the LH release but don't go screwing your customers of any forwards compatibility.
But congrats to the Mozilla devs for having good native UI integration - Mozilla looks really good under LH 3653 and LH 4008 and the plex theme.
And among all the talk about LH being souped up XP in the past few days, isn't this feature called Aero still under lock and key? Or have M$ Shafted that too?
Its 2008. I haven't heard of any moves to push it back.
Walk into any major retailer (dick smith, myer etc.) and 95% of the display space is taken up by widescreen TV's, most bundled with a set top box.
Can we just ban the sale of a new TV without a set top box or intergrated reciever?
But anyway, Foxtel (and soon Optus) are having more luck signing up people to their [crappy?] digital (or in the Optus case - soon to be) services at last count than the retailers have had selling intergrated digital TV's and STBs.
Funny, just as I was writing that my ISP turned on 18mbps ADSL2+ services where they had DSLAMS: http://whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/1472?show=repl ies
Pity economics mean that I either move or wait a looong time before I get that.
Yeah but a B device on a G network will make all G clients B. Only one chipset I know of gets around this, Conexant's Prism54 has a 'Nitro' mode which takes care of B and G clients without speed problems. I suggest you go out on the street with netstubler though, people are going to be pissed if a council installation knocks out their network.
Its actually not that expensive now that ISPs frustrated with the main Tel^Monopoly are installing their own equipment and providing good deals.
Main ADSL speeds are 256/64, 512/128, 1500/256 and 512/512, but you have to be able to get 1500/256 to get any, because downstream will sync at 1500 regardless of connection though, so my 512/128 is really 1500/128 shaped at 512/128.
Note that Australia IS NOT CABLED (i.e HFC) ALL OVER. The councils marched on the telcos when they wanted to duplicate networks years ago and as such most parts of Australia will never see any HFC coax. Ever. The cable ISP that rolled out cable in my city who wanted to cable more is currently being bought out by its frustrated venture captialists. Why? The company only subscribed 12,000 out of its 85,000 locations covered, and offered plans higher than the highest cost national ISP, BigPond.
Anyway, my 512/128 @ $49p/m for 16gb then 56k shaping is good value for me.
You may also want to listen to StarStuff on ABC NewsRadio (like Radio National, without opinion and focused more on world events).
Quite interesting. Each show usually goes for 1 hour, sometimes half with a crossover to a science program from another network.
Bzzt. The NT TCP/IP stack was written in house by Microsoft.
Yep, just because you can use it to pirate something doesn't mean its illegal, and the recording industry can't grasp that.
In Australia, a pratice used by some ISPs to attract users is to offer free/'unmetered' traffic to certain desintations, in People Telecoms (was known as Swiftel's case), unmetered traffic between users.(there aren't any 'completely unlimited' broadband plans in Australia yet, because the main DSL wholesaler and monopoly Telco, Telstra, charges an arm and leg to transport data over their network. Thats ~$900AU to have a 1500/256 connection download at 150k constantly. ISPs have offered user-to-user, peering exchange or ISP mirror/server traffic as some ways to differentiate themselves without blowing the bank.)
And what do the ISP fanboys do? Set up their own DC++ or Bittorrent trackers. This is what happened here. People Telecom was acting as the common carrier, nothing else.
I should do what Linux Australia did: distribute open software with names matching hollywood movies and threaten to sue them every time a fake C&D comes. Repeat until it costs more to defend a fake C&D than issue another potentially fake ones.
Same here with a Treo 600. Although the CPU power is less than current palm devices (so the upper limit is ~200kbps Ogg), it works well with a 256mB SD card and AeroPlayer. To Sony: Whoopee Fucking Doo.
The mum and dad user wants to walk in to a computer store and buy some boxed package, not download ISO's and burn them - in fact, the lowest priced "broadband" plans, of which are targeted at the Mum and Dad market don't have enough quota to download a distro for "free". A lot of the Choice/Australian Consumer Assocation reviews get coverage on TV, so it would be interesting to see this on TV. IMHO, Choice reviews appears to be about getting more per $, but this is their first OS review so maybe the next one might be better.
The maximum down/up on the Telstra wholesale network is 1536/256k. No exceptions. Want more upload speed? Pay for 512/512, which is actually 1536 downstream shaped down at the Telstra network level. Of course - you still have to qualify for a 1536/256k service. If you don't: Too bad. Your line may be capable of a "OMFG IT ISN'T BROADBAND" 256/64 or 512/128 service, but Telstra doesn't care.
However, in Areas where iiNet have installed their own DSLAM's, the upload speed is unlocked, i.e it will go right up to the max up speed suppored by the users phyiscal phone line.
Bandwidth costs suck bigtime here in Aus - ~$800 per megabit or on a ratio of in/out are the usual pricing options. Want a 100mbit Ethernet Internet connection? - Telstra would rather you take something a lot lot less.