It bears repeating: The RIAA, The MPAA and all the other sue-the-customer organizations really really do want to make so that eventually you the consumer have NO RIGHTS, zip, zero, nadda to own anything.
Making everyone pay a fee each and every time they want to listen to or read or view something is their eventual goal.
You will own NOTHING.
You will have NO RIGHTS to view ANYTHING unless you pay their fees.
That IS the eventual goal.
Figure out how to tell this to non-librarians, non-techies
I am sure New Jersey could and say "No review, no contract". But WILL they? There are so many times when people COULD do the right thing, but they don't.
Spend ten bucks on a box of envelopes and some stamps and start writing those letters.
Put YOUR representative's office phone number on YOUR speed dial and CALL every week until we hear sense from them.
Do it. Do it. Do it.
It doesn't get much simpler or fundamental than this.
Two things: First, Loss of Quality is unacceptable when Converting from MP3s to CD then back to MP3 files. Second, our experience with Audible is that they do NOT like dealing with libaries, they are almost entirely geared towards individual consumers and as every FOUR devices we need to CALL an 800 number and get "reauthorized". Try doing that for 30 to 50 devices and see how much of a time waster that is. MORE than negates any time savings for the librarians. As for tools to strip out the DRM: it is easier to show all the librarians once how to use one tool (Audacity) to rip MP3s than it is to show them separate DRM stripping tools for each format.
"We don't do this to get around copyright law, we buy as many copies as are made available"
We ARE very strict. If we're are going to have 15 copies to circulate, then by gum we BUY 15 copies. What part of THAT LINE didn't you understand?!
How can you write an otherwise coherent followup to my comment and miss that?!
As the technical support to many librarians, whose ethics I find quite admirable, I am appalled that (even when missing that second clear sentence) you could misinterperet the intent of my first (albeit run-on) sentence! PLEASE re-read that first sentence and then realize that even though you think you're doing as much as you can to advocate for your patrons, you are not entirely in the right frame of mind. The thought process should not be "put up with DRM because distributor wants it their for the distributor's purposes/benefit even if it encumbers it to the point of being useless", but "What is the best way, within legal boundaries, to serve my patrons".
As the unwilling DRM expert in the school district I work for, I've told all the Librarians to NOT buy from either the Apple iTunes store or Audible.com, to instead buy the books as CD's or even Cassette Tapes and then make their own DRM-less MP3 files for use on the players the district checks out to students.
We don't do this to get around copyright law, we buy as many copies as are made available, but it is simply NOT WORTH THE TIME AND TROUBLE to deal with DRM.
Jeesh - Doesn't anyone read the classics anymore? It's only been available for over 130 years...
Entertainment vs. SETI vs. Coffee vs. whatever
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There are soooo.... MANY other things we could could spend three million a year on.
And in fact WE DO!
HUNDREDS of Millions a year on Video Games, Movies, Sporting events
HUNDREDS of Millions a year on "Gourmet" Coffee.
Not to mention how much is spent on Drugs, Sex and Rock and Roll.
Instead of that we could be spending that on medical research, feeding the poor, funding education, etc...
BUT we don't. So, as long as we're "letting" truly HUGE amounts of money be spent by society on "mindless pursuits", why not let a small section of society spend a RELATIVELY SMALL amount of money on a totally useless, wasteful, studid, wonderful, amazing search for life on other planets.
So, unless and until the majority of society is willing to de-fund ALL the sports, entertainment, gourmet coffee, (keep inserting names of more "non-essentials" here) hands off SETI!
Uninformed is simply not knowing about something, that MAYBE you should know, maybe not.
STUPIDITY is not knowing about something when you really should have already made it your business to know about it and/or refusing to see something for what it is.
Not saying the bone loss problem can't be solved, but ever since hearing about the bone loss problem I've felt that radiation would be easier to solve than bone loss.
A simplistic source, (http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0778174.html) has this easy to digest quote "... And because the gravity on Mars is only 38% of Earth's, ways to counteract any damaging effects of the weak gravity on their bodies, such as progressive bone loss and muscle atrophy, will have to be found. Currently, there is no fully effective treatment for microgravity-induced bone loss, and counter measures against bone loss are a top space science priority."
Sure I've got other news sources... Slashdot!.... But seriously, while you're obviously trying to bait me into defending NPR's style and/or politics (or why it isn't "Fair and Balanced"), PLEASE listen to at least one (or all three) of the clips and then comment on the actual content I referenced instead of just seeing three letters and taunting. Of course I just tipped my hand that, yes, I am more inlcined to listen to NPR than Clear Channel because I said words like "please" and "content". Ok, now, you can just react to my comments on your comments or... you could actually take the high ground and actually listen to the clips and comment on Randy Adams (not me or NPR), cause I'm telling you that regardless of how distastleful you find the organization doing the reporting or how they style that reporting, the REAL thing to focus on his how well this guy did by himself, his family and the dozens/hundreds of strangers he's helped.
While you read through the rest of the comments, stream the following news clips and I dare you to NOT be inspired by this man's story.
Maybe his amazing(ly too rare) planning can't be scaled up to a city/state/national level but I sure would've liked to have seen HIM as head of FEMA.
Sidenote (about me the poster) - to be totally honest, even if Adams had been head of FEMA and had been able to do a great job, I'd probably be one of those still second guessing FEMA but please don't let that admission of my own readiness to gripe take away from the INSPIRING way Randy Adams conducted himself)
There are three links: the original story, a follow up, and a much better stated praise of Randy Adams in the form of a letter read out loud.
Weekend Edition - Saturday, September 3, 2005 At a Red Roof Inn in downtown Memphis, general manager Michelle Williams and hotel guest Randy Adams are coordinating efforts to help a weary collection of hurricane evacuees cope. Adams is among those who fled New Orleans ahead of Katrina.
People & Places New Orleans Evacuee Sorts Out Life in Memphis
Listen to this story... by Linda Wertheimer and Scott Simon
Weekend Edition - Saturday, September 17, 2005 Scott Simon checks back in with Randy Adams, a New Orleans native who has sought refuge at the Red Roof Inn in downtown Memphis, Tenn. Linda Wertheimer spoke with Adams on Sept. 3, when he was working to coordinate help for fellow evacuees.
Listeners Letters: Randy Adams, Neil Young, Bob Dylan
Listen to this story... by Scott Simon
Weekend Edition - Saturday, September 24, 2005 Scott Simon reads letters from listeners. Topics include displaced New Orleans resident Randy Adams and his volunteer work in Memphis; an interview with musician Neil Young; and reaction to a satirical look at songsmith Bob Dylan.
Thanks. I was really trying to remember the exact term FEP, couldn't, and tried to get away without actually naming them. So, do you think I'm right or just reaching in using this as an example of everyting old is new again?
Back in the early-mid 80's (and probably even before then) IBM mainframes using SNA instead of TCPIP used special networking processors that handled all of that "networking stuff" so that the mainframe CPU (which really was a "unit" and not just a single chip) could just concentrate on running its jobs and not be interrupted by the communications end of things.
Everything old is new again. Same situation, just smaller and faster (CPU and helper communications card take up 1U in a rack instead of 1 whole corner of the head end room).
So, does this mean that their program has successfully passed what I would call the first baby steps in a Turing test? Or does in only show poorly on the board of reviewers?
p.s. I know that a big part of a proper Turing test is that it is supposed to be an *interactive* dialogue but this has to qualify for something... at least proof that the board of reviewers themselves could be replaced with a program.
He was sneaking extra rations again!
And when confronted he'll just try to weasel out of responsibility like he did on all the previous episodes of Lost In Space!
I would like to remind everyone that there is a great series of books by the the author Ben Bova (www.benbova.com) on the very topic of manned exploration of the solar system. Great reading.
I wonder what his take is on this announcement.
SOMETIMES its called learning. SOMETIMES its called being a disruptive snot. SOMETIMES its called just being a harmless yet michevious kid. IT DEPENDS. Do you hear that all you self-righteous absolutists?!?!? IT DEPENDS!
Did it waste 30 seconds of classtime, roughly the same as passing a pen-and-paper note? or Was it the umpteenth time over the last week or two that a disruptive (or, heaven forbid, rude/veryrude/sickandwrong) message popped up and really did chew up classtime? or Was the kid rude/veryrude/etc... when caught?
When the kid KNOWS it will be disruptive AND its not the first time he's done something like this, then I say its the same as the old-as-dirt book drop trick: Should you get suspended for three days for doing that? Probably not. But if you do it over and over, maybe. If you show disrespect to the teacher and/or look for some other way to disrupt the class, yes you should be suspended.
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It bears repeating: The RIAA, The MPAA and all the other sue-the-customer organizations really really do want to make so that eventually you the consumer have NO RIGHTS, zip, zero, nadda to own anything.
Making everyone pay a fee each and every time they want to listen to or read or view something is their eventual goal.
You will own NOTHING.
You will have NO RIGHTS to view ANYTHING unless you pay their fees.
That IS the eventual goal.
Figure out how to tell this to non-librarians, non-techies
I am sure New Jersey could and say "No review, no contract". But WILL they?
There are so many times when people COULD do the right thing, but they don't.
Spend ten bucks on a box of envelopes and some stamps and start writing those letters.
Put YOUR representative's office phone number on YOUR speed dial and CALL every week until we hear sense from them.
Do it. Do it. Do it.
It doesn't get much simpler or fundamental than this.
Two things: First, Loss of Quality is unacceptable when Converting from MP3s to CD then back to MP3 files. Second, our experience with Audible is that they do NOT like dealing with libaries, they are almost entirely geared towards individual consumers and as every FOUR devices we need to CALL an 800 number and get "reauthorized". Try doing that for 30 to 50 devices and see how much of a time waster that is. MORE than negates any time savings for the librarians. As for tools to strip out the DRM: it is easier to show all the librarians once how to use one tool (Audacity) to rip MP3s than it is to show them separate DRM stripping tools for each format.
"We don't do this to get around copyright law, we buy as many copies as are made available"
We ARE very strict. If we're are going to have 15 copies to circulate, then by gum we BUY 15 copies. What part of THAT LINE didn't you understand?!
How can you write an otherwise coherent followup to my comment and miss that?!
As the technical support to many librarians, whose ethics I find quite admirable, I am appalled that (even when missing that second clear sentence) you could misinterperet the intent of my first (albeit run-on) sentence! PLEASE re-read that first sentence and then realize that even though you think you're doing as much as you can to advocate for your patrons, you are not entirely in the right frame of mind. The thought process should not be "put up with DRM because distributor wants it their for the distributor's purposes/benefit even if it encumbers it to the point of being useless", but "What is the best way, within legal boundaries, to serve my patrons".
As the unwilling DRM expert in the school district I work for, I've told all the Librarians to NOT buy from either the Apple iTunes store or Audible.com, to instead buy the books as CD's or even Cassette Tapes and then make their own DRM-less MP3 files for use on the players the district checks out to students.
We don't do this to get around copyright law, we buy as many copies as are made available, but it is simply NOT WORTH THE TIME AND TROUBLE to deal with DRM.
Only outlaws will have geiger counters!
where members can "score" the comments of others... Nah, it'd never work. Sure to collapse from its own inbred weight in MUCH LESS than a decade...
Jeesh - Doesn't anyone read the classics anymore? It's only been available for over 130 years...
There are soooo.... MANY other things we could could spend three million a year on.
And in fact WE DO!
HUNDREDS of Millions a year on Video Games, Movies, Sporting events
HUNDREDS of Millions a year on "Gourmet" Coffee.
Not to mention how much is spent on Drugs, Sex and Rock and Roll.
Instead of that we could be spending that on medical research, feeding the poor, funding education, etc...
BUT we don't. So, as long as we're "letting" truly HUGE amounts of money be spent by society on "mindless pursuits", why not let a small section of society spend a RELATIVELY SMALL amount of money on a totally useless, wasteful, studid, wonderful, amazing search for life on other planets.
So, unless and until the majority of society is willing to de-fund ALL the sports, entertainment, gourmet coffee, (keep inserting names of more "non-essentials" here) hands off SETI!
Shouldn't that say "of" instead of "if"?
Claim that they *know* that *somewhere* in CREATION(ism) there are portions of code that *they* own. Somewhere.
Uninformed is simply not knowing about something, that MAYBE you should know, maybe not.
STUPIDITY is not knowing about something when you really should have already made it your business to know about it and/or refusing to see something for what it is.
just a low-tech thought... But where will I find a pair that don't clash with my tinfoil hat?
we'll just be living in it.
You get or need to make a call and... you want to use your computer while talking on your PHONE?
Basically its the same problem as when trying to use your phone as a PDA: Talk or type (or retrieve) but can't do both at the same time.
Forget about battery life. Answer me this either/or question first.
The points the previous post makes should rate at least a 4, not a 2 as they do at the time I post this...
Not saying the bone loss problem can't be solved, but ever since hearing about the bone loss problem I've felt that radiation would be easier to solve than bone loss.
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A simplistic source, (http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0778174.html) has this easy to digest quote
"... And because the gravity on Mars is only 38% of Earth's, ways to counteract any damaging effects of the weak gravity on their bodies, such as progressive bone loss and muscle atrophy, will have to be found. Currently, there is no fully effective treatment for microgravity-induced bone loss, and counter measures against bone loss are a top space science priority."
For deeper reading try:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd
Sure I've got other news sources... Slashdot!.... But seriously, while you're obviously trying to bait me into defending NPR's style and/or politics (or why it isn't "Fair and Balanced"), PLEASE listen to at least one (or all three) of the clips and then comment on the actual content I referenced instead of just seeing three letters and taunting. Of course I just tipped my hand that, yes, I am more inlcined to listen to NPR than Clear Channel because I said words like "please" and "content". Ok, now, you can just react to my comments on your comments or... you could actually take the high ground and actually listen to the clips and comment on Randy Adams (not me or NPR), cause I'm telling you that regardless of how distastleful you find the organization doing the reporting or how they style that reporting, the REAL thing to focus on his how well this guy did by himself, his family and the dozens/hundreds of strangers he's helped.
Randy Adams - Everything Brown SHOULD HAVE BEEN
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While you read through the rest of the comments, stream the following news clips and I dare you to NOT be inspired by this man's story.
Maybe his amazing(ly too rare) planning can't be scaled up to a city/state/national level but I sure would've liked to have seen HIM as head of FEMA.
Sidenote (about me the poster) - to be totally honest, even if Adams had been head of FEMA and had been able to do a great job, I'd probably be one of those still second guessing FEMA but please don't let that admission of my own readiness to gripe take away from the INSPIRING way Randy Adams conducted himself)
There are three links: the original story, a follow up, and a much better stated praise of Randy Adams in the form of a letter read out loud.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?stor
Katrina Evacuees Go All the Way to Memphis
Listen to this story...
Weekend Edition - Saturday, September 3, 2005 At a Red Roof Inn in downtown Memphis, general manager Michelle Williams and hotel guest Randy Adams are coordinating efforts to help a weary collection of hurricane evacuees cope. Adams is among those who fled New Orleans ahead of Katrina.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?stor
People & Places
New Orleans Evacuee Sorts Out Life in Memphis
Listen to this story... by Linda Wertheimer and Scott Simon
Weekend Edition - Saturday, September 17, 2005 Scott Simon checks back in with Randy Adams, a New Orleans native who has sought refuge at the Red Roof Inn in downtown Memphis, Tenn. Linda Wertheimer spoke with Adams on Sept. 3, when he was working to coordinate help for fellow evacuees.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?stor
Listeners
Letters: Randy Adams, Neil Young, Bob Dylan
Listen to this story... by Scott Simon
Weekend Edition - Saturday, September 24, 2005 Scott Simon reads letters from listeners. Topics include displaced New Orleans resident Randy Adams and his volunteer work in Memphis; an interview with musician Neil Young; and reaction to a satirical look at songsmith Bob Dylan.
Thanks. I was really trying to remember the exact term FEP, couldn't, and tried to get away without actually naming them. So, do you think I'm right or just reaching in using this as an example of everyting old is new again?
Back in the early-mid 80's (and probably even before then) IBM mainframes using SNA instead of TCPIP used special networking processors that handled all of that "networking stuff" so that the mainframe CPU (which really was a "unit" and not just a single chip) could just concentrate on running its jobs and not be interrupted by the communications end of things. Everything old is new again. Same situation, just smaller and faster (CPU and helper communications card take up 1U in a rack instead of 1 whole corner of the head end room).
So, does this mean that their program has successfully passed what I would call the first baby steps in a Turing test? Or does in only show poorly on the board of reviewers? p.s. I know that a big part of a proper Turing test is that it is supposed to be an *interactive* dialogue but this has to qualify for something... at least proof that the board of reviewers themselves could be replaced with a program.
He was sneaking extra rations again! And when confronted he'll just try to weasel out of responsibility like he did on all the previous episodes of Lost In Space!
I would like to remind everyone that there is a great series of books by the the author Ben Bova (www.benbova.com) on the very topic of manned exploration of the solar system. Great reading. I wonder what his take is on this announcement.
SOMETIMES its called learning.
SOMETIMES its called being a disruptive snot.
SOMETIMES its called just being a harmless yet michevious kid.
IT DEPENDS. Do you hear that all you self-righteous absolutists?!?!? IT DEPENDS!
Did it waste 30 seconds of classtime, roughly the same as passing a pen-and-paper note?
or
Was it the umpteenth time over the last week or two that a disruptive (or, heaven forbid, rude/veryrude/sickandwrong) message popped up and really did chew up classtime?
or
Was the kid rude/veryrude/etc... when caught?
When the kid KNOWS it will be disruptive AND its not the first time he's done something like this, then I say its the same as the old-as-dirt book drop trick: Should you get suspended for three days for doing that? Probably not. But if you do it over and over, maybe. If you show disrespect to the teacher and/or look for some other way to disrupt the class, yes you should be suspended.
So, again, IT DEPENDS.