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Is Enterprise Heading To Canada?
Tycoon Guy writes "TrekToday reports that the TrekUnited fan campaign a few weeks ago partnered with a group of Canadian production companies to pitch a co-production deal for 'Star Trek: Enterprise' to Paramount. As part of this deal, production would be moved up to Canada, and TrekUnited and the Canadian group would share the costs of a fifth season with Paramount. Apparently Viacom executives are considering the proposal, despite another branch of Paramount saying the cancellation was final just a few days ago."
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If this actually works, and Arrested Development gets cancelled, I would drain my bank account for a third season of that.
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It needs a rest. At least on TV.
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Please, can't we just let it die with dignity?
Did we expect that any large corporation would pass up the chance to make a buck?
Don't take life so seriously. No one makes it out alive.
(Still in denial... still in denial...)
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maybe they can find writers with a slightly wider world view...
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Seriously, it's over. Shows get cancelled.
Get on with your lives. Paramount owns the rights, and if they say it's over, it's over.
It's not just about production costs to the studio. It's about a shitty show that ruins the image of the studio, and destroys 30 years of "Star Trek" branding.
They need to start showing Sailor Moon reruns to distract these knobs.
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Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.
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As seen Wednesday nights at 8:00pm central on UPN.
Har har har.
Seriously, though. Even though I've never gotten into the series, I hope for the sake of hardcore ST fans it's allowed to continue in Canada. Maybe the show will get even better as a result, a la X-Files (only in reverse this time).
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The only reason it's comming here is because it's cheaper and no U.S tv network wants it!
--I didnt vote to have it here, canadian should have a say about this crapy t.v. show.
--Long live farscape ans babylon5--
which is way to easy anyhow.
The other side of Paramount which said the cancellation was "final." There are only two things in life that are final - death and taxes. Even the latter is not always final. So given that, throw enough money or potential money at Paramount and the "final cancellation" will get changed to "due to recent considerations, there will be a 5th season of Enterprise."
On a side note, I did like seeing Twilight again this past Friday and cannot wait for the season/series finale (though hope it is seasonal)
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I think Paramount wants to kill off Enterprise because they're ready to start with something fresh after Berman/Braga are canned. It seems to me that a company that is consistantly rejecting bribes to keep a rather popular show on the air is either incredibly stupid, or has an ace up their sleeve and doesn't want anyone to know about it.
Well, either that or they're trying to piss off the people who watch it via bittorrent (quite a few if I'm not mistaken).
"Haha!!! That'll show you commie pirates! We'll just cancel whatever you like to download."
When good geeks go bad.
Why not move production to the Moon? That might increase fund raising just a little.
Boldy producing what no Canadian had produced before!
Don't take life so seriously. No one makes it out alive.
Actually, if you read Paramount's statement carefully, it's worded a little oddly. It basically states that Enterprise on UPN is through. I thought it was strange they specified UPN, especially with all the talk about moving the show to another channel...
Hah! And people ask why I love this country so much!
What the ST Universe really needs is for Rick Berman to step down, and to let someone else take the helm. Maybe even wait a couple years, and then come out with a series that actually harkens back to the original- instead of trying to ignore it or worse. Until that happens, the entire franchise will continue to struggle.
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Stargate-SG1 and Atlantis are both filmed in Vancouver. Farscape was Australia(?), is all Sci-Fi destined to be outsourced?
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But only if they start exporting Corner Gas.
Trust me, we'd be getting the better end of the deal.
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NSFW...Enterprise is ordered to deliver a mysterious cargo labelled only "WHIPS" to the planet Equus Mortis.
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"The boardrooms of UPN are a dangerous place! But in our future, my crew and I fight to make it safe! I am Dylan Hunt, captain of the Enterprise Ascendant, and these are our adventures!"
(What, it's not like there isn't precedent for a hot shipboard computer. Back in TOS, I wouldn't have kicked Majel Barrett outa bed either. Rommie's just an upgraded version, isn't she?)
Trek needs to take a break, and come back in a year or two or three with fresh blood. I rather like the idea of J. Michael Straczynski - he did a great job with Babylon 5, and Jeremiah, and The Real Ghostbusters ;-}
Ah well, at least I'll get free healthcare now.
That's some funny shit.
To boldly escape death in a manner no sci-fi television show has done before. ;)
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What makes them think we'd want it?
Beam me up Scotty, ay?
an ill wind that blows no good
Its time to let it go people..
Look at the farscape fans.. We got a 'finale' and let it die a dignified death..
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Unfortunalely is too late for Scotty (the greatest Canadian Star Trek actor ever). They could rehire Nicole de Boer or even Shatner (may be not, he is a jerk)
Is Enterprise heading to canada?
The short answer is "Yes!"
However our correspondant has learned that upon ariving there, Mr. Spock was overheard saying "What the fuck is wrong with these people?"
Captain Kirk, on the other hand could not be reached, as he was getting smashed with Scotty and Bones at a local hockey bar.
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One thing I never did understand is why when ever they are talking about distance, they always says kilometers never miles. Is there a reason for this? It is an American show.
So you've got this money.
And you've got all this energy.
And what are you doing with it?
Trying to save a TV show that even its defenders rarely describe in terms nicer than "it wasn't THAT bad", and whose plot is going to be wrapped up at the end of the season whatever you do.
While you've got all this excitement and energy and potential funding, why not direct it into more potentially productive efforts-- like, trying to get Paramount or some other production company to put together a new, GOOD show? (Preferably maybe even one Rick Berman is not associated with!)
There were rumors about William Shatner trying to go over Berman's head and pitch a series set at StarFleet; I think that would be pretty damn cool. Heck, there's a lot of potentially cool ideas within the Star Trek universe, continuity-error-ridden as it is, you could set a show around. You don't necessarily need Enterprise. And even without Star Trek (though I realize that's what the people pushing for enterprise to continue really want) I'm sure there's no shortage of directors, actors etc who would jump at the chance to do a sci fi tv show, if only some people could talk some studio into greenlighting it.
Television is allegedly a passive medium. Yet for once, for this moment, you've got a huge number of television viewers to stand up and decide that they want to participate. I think that has the potential to be pretty cool, if that were directed toward some productive end. But that potential is currently being wasted on lost causes.
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Maybe they were planning to cancel it here, aire it in Canada, and they thought we'd never find out about it. Heh heh heh... Thanks to Slashdot, their evil scheme was foiled! I'll get you next time, Gadget, next time!!!
I am pretty sure that Battlestar Galactica is filmed in Canada as well.
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I wonder if the cast would want to move to (or at least live in) Canada for six to nine months a year. Presumably they would shoot in Vancouver, which already has an established film industry in place, so it wouldn't be like they were moving to Moose Jaw, but it's still a major change. If it's being funded by Canadians, there's also US $ to Can $ issues to consider. Not only that, but it's possible that cast members may already have other commitments. There's also the question of having to deal with an entirely new production crew, and possibly a different CG crew.
That's a lot of questions for a show which hasn't attracted viewers over a span of four years. One could argue that UPN's mismanagement of Enterprise has led to its low ratings (or UPN's lack of availability outside of major metropolitan areas), but sometimes a bad show is just a bad show.
You're only as smart as your brain.
Not to say that it wasn't due to the poor writing, acting, etc. but I one of the thing that may have contributed to the death of Enterprise is the lack of a consistent time slot. I don't know how UPN had this thing scheduled, but in my local market the new episodes were run at 2:30 am. Not a rebroadcast of the same episode shown earlier that evening, that was the only time they ever showed it.
The actors seem to know something you all don't.
This show is as dead as a doornail right now and won't be coming back.
Officer: Captain! A group of geeks and Canadians are so willing to help our fledgling Enterprise that they have expressed interest in even helping to pay for our ship's repairs!
Captain: Excellent! Bring them aboard, make them Ensigns, then set course for Romulus! Warp 9!
People seem to forget.
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Next we're gonna take back Shatner!
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Am I the only geek who cares not the least about Star Trek? I absolutely cannot understand what the attraction is.
WTF is the deal with Dr. Who also?
Ok..... I am ready to die a horrible death now.
This isn't flame bait, I do want to hear from other people who feel the same way.
Good to know that Enterprise might have another chance of survival, but on the other side ST:ENT never was that great, it had a bunch of nice episodes, but far to many bad and boring ones, same was already true for Voyager and especially the last TNG movie was just awfull. So unless Enterprise gets significantly better I am really not so sure if bad StarTrek is really better than no StarTrek. Especially the comparism with Star Trek: Hidden Frontier makes ST:ENT and ST:VOY look bad. Hidden Frontier is a fan made series, just a green screen, a bit computer graphics with great 3d models and some make-up, yet they manage to pull off episodes that, while technically limited, are more interesting to watch then most of the average episodes of ST:ENT or Voyager. Which kind of tells about a lot about the official StarTrek stuff that made it to the TV in the last years.
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Mets les boucliers à "on", et tirons leur des torpilles dans les gencives, pis en tabarnak à part de ça!
The American accent of the computer voice will change.
'Bout time.
If the storylines are going to be just as rubbish for this new series I hope they can show they've got a sense of humour by using 'Blame Canada' as the outro theme music.
In fact, even Celine Dion would be better than the current intro music.
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What is there to understand? That sort of space travel involves a lot of physics. Astrophysics is most easily done in SI.
It's not like there are thousands of road signs in space that are marked in miles.
In addition, you might consider that in the Star Trek universe the U.S. underwent an economic collapse in the late 21st century, or something like this. The *instant* the US isn't the predominant economic force on Earth, you're going to have to switch to Metric to save money. Right now your market is large enough that it's worth creating things in strange sizes to suit you, but that won't last.
Remember, it's pretty much just you, Burma, and Liberia still on Imperial. The rest of us use the same units. I can go to Australia and the markings on packages will make sense to me.
I don't suppose part of the deal is getting rid of that guy everyone hates, is it? (bremer, bermer) Might be a good move if it is. I am tired of plot flaws in the show. The Andorian planet one just about killed me. Yeah, a race of reclusives that you can't get in touch with, but they can call you up on the video phone *rolling eyes*.
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How many are they? I only know about three:
J.D. (Scotty) - the greatest Start Trek actor ever;
W.S (Kirk) - a bad actor and a jerk;
Nicole de Boer - adequate acting, it could have been better. Anyway she is the cuttest Star Trek actress ever,and thus everything is forgiven. I would like to see her again in new Trek epiosodes.
Genevieve Boujold, also a Canadian, would have been a MUCH BETTER Janeway than K.M. but unfortunately she got scared and left the show. I HATED K.M. as Janeway.
Are there any others?
It's JUST a TV show!!!!!!
Please... everyone backing this... this.... just can't go on! It's... insane!
I think it's great that people can still be passionate about a cause, but let's make it something that really affects the world we live in! How about something like backing politics that fight against the ridiculously evil things going on now that are attempting to take your freedoms away?
I know this will be marked as a troll or off-topic or something but I hope before it does, I actually reach someone.
There's a bunch of people out there that could make a BIG difference if they pull together to make it happen. It's happening now but the cause is a freaking form of entertainment that lines the pockets of people who don't know or care about you in the least. On the other hand, there are causes that could really improve peoples lives.
Truthfully, are we saying that the effort and resources used to save a TV show should be more significant than those spent in preserving our way of life or making it better? Are we REALLY just a bunch of people who would rather lose our freedoms just so that we can watch a TV show? (Bear in mind that there are plenty of religious fundies who would just LOVE to cancel Star Trek and any SciFi that questions the existance of their god.)
This is one show... I wish the same effort was put into a cause that actually improves life in the here, now and future. I find it incredulous to witness people caring so little about our government and law and so much about something so trivial.
Captain, they're coming aboot!
I wonder if the show will adopt Canada's colorful lingo as well?
Captain: "Hey you freak'n hoser! I told you to get to your battle stations! We're aboat to me attacked, eh!" Crew: "That's messed up, eh! Can we play hockey afterwards?"
"It's not rocket science, Smithers! It's only brain surgery!" --Mr. Burns
Besides, a lot of U.S. TV shows are produced there. Including an unlikely number of SF shows:
I feel compelled to point out here that the X-Files didn't begin to suck until after they moved production from Canada to California...
(To be fair, the first season in california was actally really good. The Sucking did not begin until the *second* California-filmed season. But we can chalk this up to inertia. Canadian inertia.)
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hmm...?
What's this? A chance that Enterprise to be filmed in Vulcan... oh the irony!!! The logic !!! The jokes!!!!
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Let Sleeping Dog's Lie..
And Enterprise Freakin' Die!
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The Star Trek franchise has long struggled to escape the Teela Brown syndrome.
Teela Brown, from Larry Niven's "Known World" series, embodies the concept that after an SF Universe has developed enough really, really keen ideas, authors have trouble coming up with interesting plots. Teela Brown was so effectively bred for Good Luck that nothing really bad could happen to her, which is boring from a plot standpoint (Niven found a great one-time exception to the rule, but that won't work for a series.)
Original Star Trek: had a great sense of "Anything Can Happen" because no-one really knew what was Out There. And Anything DID happen, which was great for making stories! However, after the Treaty of Organia, the Gaurdian Of Time, the Doomsday Device, and Poor Lazarus jamming the door from alternate universes, it was getting harder and harder to come up with plausible threats. Thank goodness for the Klingons who were just powerful enough to be threatening whenever they were needed!
ST:TNG wisely ignored the Teela Brown stuff ... for some reason the Organians didn't interfere with the Klingons, Cardassians, Borg, etc.... Creatures who could have been series-killers were given useful limitations, e.g. Q was a joker, the Borg both too far away to bother destroying the Federation in the near future and yet close enough to do it if they felt grouchy, and so on. A nice balance of threats kept open the possibilities.
ST:DS9 overtly balanced the great powers; in some sense it was all about balancing the various cosmic threats & opportunities for the Federation. And ... most notably ... once the major conflicts were resolved (the Dominion went home and the Wormhole Aliens finished writing their novel) the series ended! There was nothing more to say on the subject, and hopefully we won't get a movie from it.
ST: Voyager got a balance of problems by throwing the ship far far away from the Federation. Once again Anything Could Happen: Federation technology could be either useless or the perfect McGuffin, whenever it was needed. But once the underlying problem was solved --- the ship got Home --- the series was over, no movies please!
ST: Enterprise got the only remaining really large era of uncertainty in the ST Universe: the past, prior to the Federation. However, we know how the story arc must end: The Federation is created. That puts a limit on the stories, e.g. the Earth can't really get blown up because someone would just have to re-build it so Kirk can get born there.
ST: Canada So what is left? Where in the ST Universe is there enough uncertainty to make interesting plots?
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I simply don't understand the zealotry here. If this was a good show (which it is not by almost every barometer of taste) then I could understand it. Why arent they trying to save the franchise rather than the show? Wouldnt it make more sense to say "Hey, give US a better new show" rather than "save the show that no one watched". WIth BSG having the raised the bar so high - I find this all very hard to understand.
-_-
... they are issued their red uniforms.
Has anyone seen the movie 'Trekkies'? Do you realize how crazy people are about this show? I mean... wow.
If a large portion of it has for quite awhile been filmed out-of-country, wouldn't that mean it isn't so much being outsourced as just not insourced?
As we join the Royal Canadian Multi-stellar Police in their voyages across the Galaxy, we can remember they always get their lifeform ...
... and they'll have more women on the crew too.
...
At least they won't be censored like the US show was in showing Romulan Ale and other such things that scare the beejabbers out of the faint of heart Yanks
Not sure if I'm looking forward to all the filming of snow planets though, in search of a viable Hockey franchise
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Don't Canadian productions get tax breaks for having Canadian actors in their productions?
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Just like the casting of that other Canadian-produced show, Battlestar Galactica.
Oh, knock me over and feed me donuts and 7 percent hard cider in litre bottles.
Make it so, eh?
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I'm not a Star Trek expert or anything. But wasn't there something called the eugenics wars in the Star Trek timeline?
That might have something to do with the no certain ethnicities.
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For the sake of all that is decent and vaguely interesting, let this pile of shit die. The series was bad, worse than Voyager (which I didn't actually think was possible).
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...where no Canuck has gone before, eh?
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For all of you Star Trek fans, don't worry. Canada's version, Start Trek: Degrassi, will be of excellent production quality. It will offer a moral lesson in every episode. New topics will be introduced that have never been seen before in a Star Trek series, such as teen pregnancy and drug use.
Since it'll air on CBC, profitablity won't be an issue because it is government supported. Best of all, it'll never get cancelled -- no matter how uninterested viewers are!
I used to like the US production of Airwolf, a former Bellasarius production. It died in the US market, losing Jan Michael Vincent, Ernest Borgnine and a few other characters, but was resurrected in Canada. Having watched Airwolf since about 1983 or 1984, I was surprised when in 1988 in Bahrain at the Admin Support Unit lounge and saw Airwolf on TV. But, I was initially dismayed at the glassy-screen-like camera treatment and the character changes. But, actually, I ended up liking it a bit later, despite it moving up north and using different formatting/ratios. One thing I did later liked was that the cinematography was different: The camera angles and movements and even focal length seemed un-US-like. I like it. The show then seemed "quicker" and "grittier" in some aspects.
However, many US Trek fans and unions will probably bitch like hell at the move. If it can be moved to Canada, some will reason, then why can't the costs be brought down, and it kept here in the US. Well, maybe the Canadian studios do the same or better work for slightly less up-front cost. I dunno, but for a production to leave the US and go to another country, SOMEthing is being saved. Or, someone else wants the cachet of having Trek or (name your show) on their notched belt.
Heck, even the Simpsons show has most of if not all of its artwork and animation done in South Korea. It costs a fraction of what it would in the US, and the Korean team is doing a great job, it seems.
To the dismay of a number of Trek fans, and maybe even the cast, as with Airwolf, some or all of the cast and characters might change. I wouldn't be surprised if some elites or idealists in Canada tweak Enterprise to be more CanaPrize, making Star Trek's vision of the future include MORE of the real world, instead of Hollywood's US-market-centric/pleasing view of the world.
For example:
Voyager had Harry Kim, cuz "we gotta please the economically powerful and politically savvy Asian community..." yet while Tom Paris was a misfit inmate who caused the death of Starfleet personnel, he was eventually promoted to Lieutenant on Voyager, the ship, not just the show. Clean-nosed, sometimes defiant Harry Kim? Oh, he's done what NO ensign wants to do/be: Remain ensign for SEVEN YEARS on the same ship. His not receiving a field promotion by Janeway was NOT a Federation/UFP/Starfleet issue. I DARE say it was a US-centric, hollywood "thing" about keeping Garret Wang's character "down". (No, Kim's being promoed AFTER Voyager destroyed/set back the Borg does NOT count, since his promotion was a cheesy-assed future-scene, not part of Voyagers' Fans chronology...)
Of course, that example won't fly when compared to DS9, since women were elevated, but aside from Cassidy Yates, most were not real-life ethnic minorities.
As for Enterprise, Mayweather seems to gleefully smile at the console, from most of the episodes I've seen. It is true he and Hoshi had their little moments, one of Hoshi's being to copulate with an alien and "exchange some language"...
I hope the Canadians take Trek where it's never been before: GLOBAL!
It would be nice to see an Indian in a turbin on duty, in uniform. It would be NICE to see a Black/Asian couple aboard ship, instead of the all-too-beaten/submission-forced Anglo/Sino pairings. It would be nice to see an Iraqi, or Greek, or person from Tuvalu or Vunuato and identified as such, on the ship. It would be nice to see crew members in their off-duty, and NOT just the main ensemble.
In Canada's hands, after about a year of some close-minded segment of the audience kvetching, Trek could TRULY improve, for instance, diving into details of a new and improved UN Security Council's fictional but pivotal role in rescuing the world from one-country-control, despite global markets theoretically dictating that one country cannot control the world.
Yeh, up to this point, Trek has been a franchise of US origin, and it is a venture/business driven by demographics. Well, it's time for WORLD demo
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Canada is still in the process of choosing and defining what part it will play in the new world order. If the U.S. rejects an anti-government message which can find support in Canada, then this says something.
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I'm proud to be Canadian, and this would be kinda cool. I just hope that we don't start backing every stupid idea that comes out of the francise...
Please explain why this show is worth saving, compared to such shows as Battlestar Galactica, Farscape, and Firefly?
I'm serious. I've watched it over the last four years, and I've never seen anything more than derivative and hackneyed story telling.
This franchise is like having a sick relative, that finally dies, but instead of burying him, you prop up the corpse on the couch and everyone pretends nothing's wrong.
Thanks now I'll never get that song out of my head.
I need to go shoot up a post office now. Make the music stop. Make it stop. AAAUUUGGGGHHH!!!!
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..would love to see a mix of 'Enterprise' and SCTV's 'Bob & Doug McKenzie' (Hey! They're puttin' some out on DVD!).
'The Great White North' and 'Farm Film Report' were probably the only funny things on SCTV.
Ahhh. Funny Canadians.
Take off, hosers.
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Eh?
the cast changed. There were occasional if fleeting references to String(fellow Hawk) and his bother, St.John ("sin-juhn") began flying the Airwolf.
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It might be interesting, tho, as I pointed out in another commentary in this thread, to have multiple ships of the Enterprise type doing a combinatiof Voyager/BattleStar Galactica, except a bunch of UFP/Vulcan and other scientists would be moved to some "expanse" to set up the (Vulcan-feared) human manifest destiny type of outposts.
Then multiple ships and crews could be filmed. Logistically and politically, though, actors, their unions and reps might balk at the division/reduction of pay from doubling or tripling the sets and payroll.
They COULD try something like "UFO" (den-den-den-den deh-det-det-deh-deh-dett-deh-deh, deew-dee-deww deww,
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And have aliens trying to interfere with things. But the main thing to learn from UFO is that it's OK to rotate cast and characters around, sort of like on real ships, despite the need to bring new reports up to speed. Or, they should just cover crew members lives and duties, not just fixate on 5 or 7 people with many moons between "a day in the life of a vital crewmember below decks..."
Then, again, they could always go out looking for Gracie's grandparents... and seek to relocate some "wolphins"...
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Anyway, I was wondering if they did ever resolve that whole "Futureman/Temperal Time Cold War" thing.
Who was futureman?
So in the end, what was the whole war about?
Did that crewman on the Enterprise (forget his name, but he was from the 29th century and they sealed off his quarters) have anything to do with it?
Did you like how it resolved?
makes no sense
also latin should be auto modded down since its a dead language and people that use it just want to sound intelligent (which they might if anyone actually understood them)(but thye dont)
just let it DIE!!!
You *are* aware that every time you remind someone that William Shatner is Canadian, their opinion of the country halves?
Right, I forgot. But does he even act like he is from San Francisco? He acts more like a recent Chinese/Japanese immigrant to San Francisco which is still similar to a native Chinese/Japanese in China/Japan.
Smallville, I belive, is filmed just outside of Vancouver BC. That's why Kansas looks like it has more forest than prairie.
Jeebus, to have that sort of spare time again...
I live ze unknown. I love ze unknown. I am ze unknown.
Why so much effort to save a half-assed series that violates official Star Trek canon at every damned step? Enterprise is GARBAGE.
If there is any passion for the series at all it should be for something worthy of the cause: Enterprise is NOT. How about the Starfleet Academy show? That would be worth it. How about post-fall-of-the-Federation? That has HUGE possibilities. Enterprise? Give me a break.
Would it kill Paramount to just make up their minds?
...but is it art?
Gahh
Dead collector: Bring out your dead!
Trek Fans: Here's one.
Collector: Ninepence
Enterprise: I'm not dead!
Collector: What?
Trek Fans: Nothing. Here's your ninepence
Enterprise: I'm not dead!
Collector: Here. He says he's not dead.
Trek Fans: Yes he is.
Enterprise: No I'm not!
Collector: He isn't?
Trek Fans: Well he will be soon. He's very ill.
Enterprise: I'm getting better!
Trek Fans: No you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment.
Collector: Look, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.
Enterprise: I don't want to go on the cart!
Trek Fans: Oh don't be such a baby.
Collector: I can't take him.
Enterprise: I feel fine!
Trek Fans: Oh, do us a favor?
Collector: I can't.
Trek FansWell can you make it around in a couple of minutes? He won't be long.
Collector: No... I've got to go to the Robinsons. They've lost nine today.
Trek Fans: Well when's your next round?
Collector: Thursday.
Enterprise: I think I'll go for a walk.
Trek Fans: You're not foolin' anyone, you know. Look. Isn't there something you can do?
Enterprise: I feel happy! I feel Happy!
(Sound of trekunited being hit in the head with a large club)
Trek Fans: Oh, thanks very much.
Collector: Not at all. See you on Thursday.
Trek Fans: Right.
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
Look you pointy eared freaks, Star Trek NEEDS TO DIE!
What's the point? After TNG, there was nothing left.
DS9 was soap opera drivel and Let me not even start on Voyager.
Enterprise - hahahaha I stopped wathing that the second season when I was disgusted by the complete lack of continuity that all the other series had worked hard to maintain and that it was obviously going to be one time travel episode after the next. Personally, I think Berman purposefully planned to give the entire Star Trek Franchise a complete and utter assfucking with Enterprise. And that he did.
So hey -- put away the terry cloth Kirk Uniform, stop speaking Klingon, stop throwing conventions and maybe just maybe in 20+years, someone else can pick it up and maybe it'll be cool again.
This is starting to remind me of when Airwolf was cancelled and picked up by a canadian network. It didn't last another season.
I'd hate to see all this effort go to waste.
"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality." -Jules de Gautier
Yes! The saliva-string french kiss between Hoshi and T'Pol might yet happen!
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The reason why the whole Star Trek universe (besides Enterprise) was fairly successfull was due to the fact that the Star Trek Universe was re-imagined 75 years into the future. The difference was fresh and COMPLETELY different from the old series.
I think they should do it again...jump into the future...but this time, don't jump 75 years...jump 750 years! or maybe even a couple thousand years!
It would give the writers the latitude to imagine how the federation (and the Star Trek Universe) would evolve far into the future and create some REALLY interesting storylines.
The new "Call for Help" is produced in Toronto. It's not as flashy/blinky as the old one and Americans can't get it.
> It would be nice to see an Indian in a turbin on duty, in
> uniform.
Not likely. Not likely at all.
Almost anytime you see someone wearing a turban, it's not necessarily just an "indian", but specifically a practitioner of the sikh faith. It's not an ethnic or regional thing. It's a religious thing. Not cutting their hair, and covering it with the turban in public "brings them closer to god" or somesuch.
And, if you'll remember, one part of Gene Roddenberry's vision of humanity's future was that, by the time of Star Trek, we'd have progressed beyond such superstitious nonsense. You'll note that various other religious headgear (Jewish skullcaps, muslim veils, and so on) was also notably absent from the Enterprise. And if you'll recall old-school internet discussion, one of the reasons that DS9 left a sour taste in the mouths of some fans of TOS and TNG is that DS9 regressed Star Trek in this regard, and that Berman and his goons filled DS9 with an absolutely tedious amount of pseudo-religious claptrap.
For that matter, even by present day, we were supposed to have gotten past SOME of said BS. In Space Seed, Lt. McGivers mentions that Khan was a sikh. And you'll note that Khan, a 1990's contemporary, was not particularly inclined to wear a turban himself.
So, no, if future incarnations of Star Trek make even a token effort at staying true to Gene's vision... no turbans on the Enterprise.
cya,
john
Imagine all the people...
Ahem... NO. Now take your whiney political correctness and leave, before a big mean white guy wearing a red shirt sporting a southern US accent shows you the brig.
Canada should be ashamed of Shatner and proud of J.D. (Scotty)
Shatner is a Canadian Jew, Jewish people should be also ashamed of Shatner and proud of Nimoy,the best Jewish Star Trek actor ever.
Long live Spock and prosper!
While not filmed there, the CBC is involved in the new Dr. Who as well. Up next, Dr. Who visits Whoville!
They're men in Canada, they're the ones that don't trim their beards.
"...from Larry Niven's "Known World" series..." I believe Niven's universe was/is called "Known Space".
If you have money on your hands, and the talents of many hobby writers, and maybe some very good student actors, why not roll your own series, driven by fans?
It obviously couldn't be called "Star Trek" or "Enterprise". There probably wouldn't be a "Star Fleet Command" either, but it could have the spirit of Star Trek, and maybe a universe loosy leaning on Star Trek's, but not a clone. Surely there are areas where the universe could be much better, e.g. more fined-grained politics, economics etc.. Star Trek often simplifies questions too much for my taste - in the universe, in the doctrines and the stories.
But it should keep the spirit of Star Trek: Scientific. An optimistic projection of the future. Pointing out social dilemmas, teaching good moral values (mostly). It could use more personalty-building insights. And more hints where to look for more background on certain questions.
As for concrete organisation, even with 3 millions you don't get far with traditional production, so it would have to rely a lot on hobbyists and university students. I think there is a lot of talent that is unused, it could be the student excerzise in many areas, but obviously writing, acting, camera, cut. Maybe you'll also find volunteers to help with the scenery, both design and building. A critical part will be the decision making process, to avoid long discussions, quarrels and splits. I guess a reasonable goverance/management will be best to drive things forward and avoid long internal discussions.
I guess the money would have to be spent on the materials alone, and it might not even be enough for that.
I hope the Canadians take Trek where it's never been before: GLOBAL!
Damn I hope not. Global is notorious for showing part of a season of a good show and then never showing the rest. They seem to love buying up the rights to Sci-Fi shows and sticking them in shitty timeslots if they air them at all.
Oh. You weren't talking about the TV network. Never mind.
Why is it cheaper to produce shows in Canada? Does anyone know for sure?
You guys stole Shatner, now were taking the whole frikken show!
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Now, maybe I'm going to be the "boy that cried wolf", but ...
It's all to easy for "hollywierd" to pay lip service to a religion, a race, or somesuch, but it's also ALL to easy for them to dive into ALIEN religion practices because they're "off-world", not here in Iraq, Jerusalem, Ireland, or some reservation on North Dakota. Chakotay is a notable exception, but aside from him and Robert Beltran, it's hard for me to recall when Hollywood showed some balls in some of these aspects.
It's one thing for Marla McGivers/Gyvers to "refer" to Khan as "Sikh", and another for the studio (particularly in the 60's) to dress him/costume him and show him kneeling and praying, so instead, to possibly distract us, he's doing isometrics, summoning his powers borne by genetics.
But, humans being humans, particularly those in wealth and who care more about accumulating maldistributed wealth, in TODAY's world, we will not, except in theme-based productions, see a lot of Trek showing real-life religions, a Travis/Hoshi pairing, and so on. In REAL LIFE, I've met a number of Black/Asian pairings, and yet Star Trek, scurrying into a comfort zone, couldn't even recognize that.
There comes a time when scripts have to show reality, even in fiction, and not just cozily kiss ass for some market or demographic numbers. Many of today's youth tend to be more worldly (cuz mommy and daddy or even their own governments can send them abroad on student exchange programs, thankfully) and accepting (thanks to no major xenophobia and thanks to the US having bombed so many of the wrong targets in South East Asia that in atonement, not out of some superior/ideological-mindedness, it HAD to take in hundreds of thousands of emigrants-- I know, I have PLENTY of Asian friends whose homes were bombed or who have relatives who were bombed and weren't even the so-called designated targets...) that hopefully it will be just a matter of time until some remnants still in charge just "go away".
Final race-tone example: I recently watched a recent production of high school economics class students on KTEH/54. I was saddened that from the 30 minutes or so that I watched, the camera gave plenty of background face time to the non-African American and non-Asian students. The camera just dwelled on them for long enough to tell their opinion, but when the camera moved past them, it moved fairly FAST. For the non-minorities, fore- OR background, the camera was in nor hurry to pan/scan/zoom. That, my friend, exemplifies that if it's not a minority-produced show (forced in some ways to retaliate, or kiss up to upstage the mainstream productions not center staging a Denzel), the camera moves fast and the dialog is short.
We need to do something about it here, otherwise US minorities going overseas will CONTINUE to be shunned, ignored, or presumed to be drug dealers, non-contributors and the like, other than in music, sports, or a few niche areas.
I dislike having said this, to some extent, but it has to be said. Trek is ideal, and idealistic, but it ultimately will follow the money trail more than the Ideal Trail. That's PROBABLY why Berman (I believe it was him) or others dismissed DS9 as being "not really part of the Franchise..." Probably because Avery Brooks was in charge, a few women (Keiko, Neris, Jadzia and her lively-feisty-dilithium-powered-Worf-mounting replacement (interestingly, also Canadian), Cassidy, and a few I can't recall) almost outnumbered and out-ranked or out-brained some of the men. Ultimately, Sisko was "vaporized" into an "Emissary", pretty much removing him from corporeal status, and possibly killing off ANY decent theatrical presentation of DS9.
(Pops 10 vials of lithium...)
David Syes
But, as I said before, this is present-day Earth.
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Now move along.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
"...from Larry Niven's "Known World" series..." I believe Niven's universe was/is called "Known Space".
Ooops, thanks; I just mixed up SF and SCA ... they are stored in overlapping brain cells
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Religion played a role in several TOS episodes.
We had the "Son-worshipers" on the paralell Earth with a 20th-century Rome, in which ep McCoy states "we represent many different faiths".
The M5 computer essentially commits suicide after coming to believe that murder is "against the laws of man and god".
The Vulcans seem awefully Zen-like with their robes and their meditation. (Of course people argue whether Zen is a religion or not.)
The asteroid world Yonada was ruled by a priestess
And we had space hippies searching for Eden.
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You cannot wash away blood with blood
Sun God:
In Bread and Circuses, the "God" Flavius Maximus and Septimus and others believed in or feared suited the religious powers that be. It purports that the God of Earth Humans is pervasive, enduring, and omnipresent such that even aliens of another world would value it/him/her just as supposedly "most" judeo-christians do or claim to.
M-5:
M-5, technologically-- and logically-- in that case, HAD to do itself in. After all, Daystrom imprinted his OWN belief system, his "memory engrams" onto M--5's core programming. That is why M-5 stated, after bullying queries by Kirk, "... murder is contrary to the laws of God and Man..." That is why when Kirk asked M-5, "And what is the punishment for murder", M-5 replied "This... unit... must... DIE", upon which time we get the dramatic "dew-dew-dew--doo-doo" sound piece. Then, of course, Shatner's lines--probably added by himself-- were "Scotty! Get to Engineering. Pull the PLUG. Pull the plug FAST!"
Planet Vulcan:
Since Spock's Pon Farr and other mystical or cultural issues or attributes were alluded to or partially seen in prior episodes or would have been discussed (since Nimoy and his character were principal pieces of TOS), it was obligatory to show off-worlder "mysticism". Again, as I mentioned in one of my prior follow-ups, it is NOT too terribly easy for Paramount and Trek to deal with HUMAN characters' religious mores that are parallel to our own. It's easy for them to have Sisko and Picard and Janeway IMPOSE upon or graft on to an issue or species their "script-edited" value, but as for the characters' day-to-day internal issues with God, humanity, manifest destiny, exploration and, it's only tossed in as a dramatic device, not as a tool to spend more than 15 seconds per episode with...
Yonada/Kalandrans?:
Diana Princess' homeland was ruled by women, and I believe a few Johnny Weismueller/Tarzan episodes tackled the issue of women. As long as it's not an episodic, 3 or 4 times per season (unless they're scantily-clad and escaping the body-parts censors), the studios and audience and elites won't complain, at least not too much...
"Stehhp-pin' ennn-to Eeden, Yah... Bwudder"
"No more trouble in my body or my mind...eat all the fruit and throw away the vine" surely harkens to Adam and Eve. But, hippies of the episode were an academy dropout, a son of an elitist, a few misfits, and otherss capable of acquiring a space vessel to escape a disillusioning existence among their other fellow humans. Even today, if there were a place to which escape were possible and yet far enough away to not be subject to the laws of their various countries, people would take the chance. Hell if I could find an unclaimed island and had resources, I'd set up a minimal government (set up as an entity under protection of a number of countries in and outside of the UN, ASEAN, SEATO, African Union, European Union, Asian Union, and others, JUST to show the US "it AINT gonna get every fricking thing it wants..."), an idealist/idyllic environment, and even build up a navy and DARE the US government to impose it's black-ships ports visits upon me. But, we KNOW how long my little idyllic plateau would last before being nuked, bombed, or shaved down a few dozen feet.
---- Further/deeper...
Censors of the 60's were "ignorant" when it came to ST:TOS. Until Trek (and even a bit after Trek), despite a number of ground-breaking Sci-Fi films/movies and TV features (Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits, Night Gallery--if that can be included), some of these issues of metaphysical and religious value were not noticed. Because Trek was sci-fi, it apparently was not dreamed that religion, racism, class culture, elitism and so on could slip past the censors. Though the censors and some studio execs zeroed in on Spock's "devilish" ears, they particularly missed the anti-Vietnam sentiments, or did a good enough job pretending to not catch and cenor the anti-war statements/messages. ("Balance of Terror", "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
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But, you forget, that you can't crowd everything toward something.
Think of it like this, you can't move/have everyone live along the equator ... - you got to let ppl spread/live where they want to live ....
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Ummmm where has all this info about production coming up here to Canada? For all intents and purposes, it is a wrap on the series. They say on the website that there is nothing planned at present. http://www.detnews.com/2005/screens/0504/16/scree- 152160.htm
Too true. I would assume that his parents were recent immigrants, and he was, in fact, born there.
Ooh if they decide to do the filming in Vancouver, that be sweet :D I'll be on the look out for the set then and the actors. I might even see T'pal then. That be even more sweet :D
My Gawd WTF...