Even, as a hardcore linux user as myself; but I didn't start as one, no sir ye'; *got 10+ years of M$ experiance under my belt*; moving to linux was just the next logical step in my quest for
more knowledge; switching for someone like me was 'a day in the park' and within days I'd assimilated & familiarized myself to operate it as I have done with M$....
Why I think this is a great thing/idea; is that I'm rather aware others haven't got neither the interest(s), willingness, or nor the brains; to take such large steps as to switch OS, and/or dualboot....
And nor have they deep pockets, no switch to eg. Apple & Co, no.
For these people, bringing them the 'cool & neat stuff' is the way to go. For them a 'long term transition' is absolutely the right choice & course to help them out of harms way;-)
/* let's face it, M$ are monopolistic & rather narrow sighted (kinda like when you where a baby/child), and playing fair with others just isn't it their interests, if they can't benefit the most out of it.
Beeing the 'First' is what they are & strive for, 'second or third... etc' isn't in their reach of understanding that it's 'OK too' - if someone would ask me to describe Bill Gates & Co in short, I'd say:
"He & Co are rather the incarnation of a 'Pharaoh & +5000 b.c Egyptian dynasty era'; on the sole quest of resurrecting 'Pyramids & pyramidic thinking...' & 'Domination'. Why? Because it's the
only right thing todo, and you're either with them, or against them!"
(ps. I speak only what I see) */
So someone, offering a 'middle stepstone' toward OpenNess... is a honorable quest, *FromMyPOV*.
come on, fellow slashdoter *wake up*, this doesn't feel like a sport anymore, where's the fun, if noone tries to compete with you for first post? *hmm*
Why? do I say that,... well, of you read/heard their 'scheme' you'd know that they'll distribute 3million bottles with yellow caps, where only 1 million bottles will have a 'winning number', inscribed at the inside/underside of the 'bottle cap'.
*do the math*..., Now, how is this 'free songs' and not going to earn them money instead? There isn't one little thing about this 'scheme' that says 'Free, as in beer' to me.
another thing, this 'scheme' has a _big_ security risk, in my eyes.... what if people will just go into a store, unscrew a cap, till one gets a winning cap.... and walk out of the store... without them noticing anything?/* ok, not every store, but there are stores that don't have fancy 'sec. cameras' pointed at every direction... */... because they'd get pissed of, that they didn't get a winning cap, and have to buy, and buy more bottles, before they got a winning one....
in the end, they could lose more money with this 'scheme', then shipping 1millon bottles, where everyone was a winner...
(and, btw, apple said that they'll make it availible to other contries aswell, but at present time, nothing has been announced yet. *guess, we'll have to wait some more, then*)
or, 0 sec to do....*nothing*/* thanks to, running Konqueror, without a flash plugin */
;)
I don't want to troll, but that's running non Apple xor M$ box... or Mozilla on any of them
(sure, some still want to see certain flashes... but, I guess, then you either use another browser that supports it, and start picking the places you browse...if one dosen't have the skills to add hosts to banlists....anyway, it'll all be good in the end - users aren't so stupid when things start to irritate/bug them, they'll somehow manage to achive their goal)
btw, I've done some digging, and found this document, scroll down to page 33 & 37-39; which I wasn't aware that software could also enable/disable the LME register./* but then again, I don't know how/what they define 'software' to really mean/be. App & OS, OS not App, App not OS?...*/
/* thing that stikes me most, if the OS wanted to execute something, it got to have the CPU in it's 32-bit mode/* as M$ XP is 32-bit compatible only...*/, meaning that the 64-bit software first has to 'active long mode', execute it's instuction(s), 'deactivate long mode', give back control to OS, OS executes it's instuctions in 32-bit mode.... App then restarts it's cycle again by 'activating...'... *you get my drift..*/* and is this possible, to begin with? */
... and is this 'activaing / deactivating' any/much efficient in the long run? *anyway, moving along..* */
and scroll down/up to page 2:
"Defaults can be overridden in most modes using an instruction prefix or system control bit" - page 2 - table 1. "Operating Modes"/* but what's "most modes"? */
But, then again, does their 'proprietary' software do this 'instruction prefixing or system control biting'? is it possible for them to switch to '64-bit addressing' from inside 'legacy mode'?
The this hardware is the car that can run at a top speed of 440 Km/h, all the roads are adapted to handle 440 Km/h, everyone in the world allready drives at top speeds of 440 Km/h.... but the driver of this car has only got the balls to puch the car to speeds of 220 Km/h....
...App's *as I know them* are created to harness the power of 'the drivers'... so if a driver only can push 220Km/h... does it really matter the speeds the car is built to handle?
I read the '64' *green'ish* as they mean it uses 64-bit computing (if you check their other products, one would see 'a simple brand' and a 'simple + 64 added to it barnd)...and they go on to say "64 bit Processing"
*anyway* what I wanted to say
is how could it be 64-bit computing, if they run 'Microsoft Windows XP Professional' ?
Am I missing something? do they run something specially licensed from M$? *something in those lines?, like 'they're running a beta of their upcomming 64-bit XP..'?*
Coach Wooden: "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that's teamwork."
I surely do, after reading a bunch of comments like your's. Pro-{KDE,Gnome} ppl that is, arguing about "how their oppinions/tastes are better/grander then the oppositions, what-else & what-not...".
In a quick sentense; Neither matter more or less then the other. Because einstein's "relativity theory" extends to other tings then just physics; and arguing which "choice" is
better or worse or equal than the other, simply doesn't exist in the mind of a true "relativity nutcase" as me;-) - they just exist *end of story*.
So if we stop biquering, for awhile, and step back a few step; and try to analyze things in a pacifistic way - maybe we'll get the picture.
*IMHO* - the 'picture' I see, from all of this, is actually, "more choices, then less" & "more satisfaction".
Howcome? *you (might) ask?* - let me put it in a breif anology:
KDE equals eg. 'Orange juce', while Gnome equals eg. 'Graphefrute juce'.
There are three sort of ppl in this world,
a) Either only drinks 'Orange juce' - dislikes the taste of 'Graphfrute juce'
b) Either only drinks 'Graphfrute juce' - dislikes the taste of 'Orange juce'.
c) Neither, 'A) or B)' xor 'can drink which of the two without any dislike what so ever over the other'.
I, happen to be one of the 'Case A)' ppl, *Am utterly, horrified over the taste of Graphfrute*, "just one of those things in life I can't do", is drink it. And who am I to bash on 'Graphfrute juce'-lovers out there, and who are they to bash me? And by now one might be content to say everyone should be more like 'Case C', and while I might understand your thought for awhile; things in life just are, so anyhow you try to 'bend it', in some or other way, all of the 'Cases' will forever exist.
!Thus, It's not a matter of 'which case one is', but more in the lines of "how can we get along, with each other, the way we are, with our tastes & dislikes?"
So for me this "GTK 2 QT Engine" is something that'll convert that horrid 'Graphfrute juce' I so dislike into something I love, 'Orange Juce'. *now, that's a pice of work, really - from my POV*
And while the quick thought out there, may start to think 'I found a flaw in his thinking' - That this, this engine, will extinct/exterminte Gnome / 'Case B' / 'Grapefrute juce'. And such a scenari is thus not my intention, thinking nor would I as a KDE lover go along with such a scheme - mearly because 'What if the tables would be the other way around?'; I know I wouldn't like extingtion to stumble upon my choices. So, what's missing, at present (to my knowledge), is a "QT 2 GTK Engine" that'll convert horrid 'Orange juce' into sweat 'Graphfrute juce' for those who drink it.
So, a "GTK 2 QT" & "QT 2 GTK" Engine - would be something both KDE & Gnome should invest in, to give us, the ppl, even "more choices, then less" & "more satisfaction", untop of those that they allready bless us with - After all, both are just a UserInterface, with a 'G' infront of them; what matters are the 'function(s)' unerneeth the 'hood we really don't see, unless we take a look underneeth' *emphasis on "Give us functions, and let us decide the UI of the G; after all isn't function(s) what we strive to use computers for?"*
brief, as brief as such a thing could be explained in... //danalien
he said it, 'if we ever want to leave or _magnetosphere_'.
and doesn't it seem a tad familiar, to all ST geeks? (something we have heard, lots and lots of times... 'polarize the main...'...
Now I know it's not as easy as it is to say, but isn't it withneeth our grasp to realize something that'll utilize 'creating some sort of artificial magnetoshpre around our vessels' to protect us?
ps, and may I suggest also utilizing 'neodymium' *if magnets we'll be our savour, as they are the the most powerfull magnetical 'minerals' I can think of...*
I've just steped by #xouvert... and as it turns out this 'MAS' isn't there. *and one of them, didn't even know about what MAS was, untill he read this slashdot post...*
.... and you could even make some money, if you cooperated with a 'flash memory key ring' manufacturer.. and sold them with your 'linux distro' allready on them.
Don't get me wrong, I like/love 'bootable cds', like knoppix - heck it's my rescue disk nowaday. But the only thing, that's kind of *bugging*/*irritating*, is that changes you make while you run it, won't get saved (unless you use, that floppy-option *but in a floppy-free comp, as mine, what then?*)... and, and...THE SPEED kind of like could be improved if you used a USB 2.0 interface instead.
I don't know about you, but switching everything around for non-crafty-tech-folk isn't the best way of doing a transition.
I found out that that could only make things worse, as they get pretty much confused, and demand their old configuration back.
so if I where an admin there, I'd do the trasition in several steps, slowly under a longer period of time (like 1-2 years...but
it all depends on what level the users are on..):
start reclaping their Office-suite out with an open one;like OpenOffice (still running on windows)
Add Mozilla on their desktop, with the link "Internet Browser" (or other win32 open source allternative.
and no, not Opera it is pay-for-app, so unless you want to run WAREZ, leave it be..)
(the biggest of them all) under the course of time *slowly* install (and replace only the still paying
softwares installed) with alternative win32 open source apps. Here are a few links worth knowing of:
... and if that's not enough for you, just ask slashdot for more links =)
and everytime "they/you ask" for a soulution, dig deeper (than an M$/proprietary solution) and give/tell them an open source (still on their win32 platform) solution.
(ps, maybe by this time it's time to, a) either send your available "only M$ & windows drones for admins" on open source/software coureses/lectures/conferences.. etc,
b) xor if they protest, fire them =) *it's in your right as 'THE BIG HOUNCHO'=)*, and bring in new admins with knowledge deeper in open source/software than M$ *plenty out there...*)
..one year lator *or so*; have available, in a "in-your-face"-kind of place, customized uptodate burned KNOPPIX Cd's somewhere your cooworkers can see them,
take one and give it a spin; (HENCE, with all the availible software you are useing on the win32, for the linux platfrom, +plus additional.
PS, also good if ${YOU the}/your admin customize more than what apps are on it, and configure it be just as/more like the win32 install you
are useing/running....*and such stuff*)
then, when they start asking "why are we still running & paying for M$ windows?, when everything we do is available on the
free/open enviorment linux (linux/gnu) platform, for a fraction of the cost."... then I would say, it's a supreme situation
to dring forth that linux install...
think of the +plus side, of it; time will only make the linux kernel and distros better, and give you plenty of oppertunity to
plan & execute the whole trasition very/more effectlly.
PS. Don't forget, that M$ had lots of time getting their users used to using apps only for their platform, that after a while
users can't/couldn't see past running anything else than windows, as the software they know & love is only win32....
so it makes sense to first "un-program" them from that restriction...
I got,
I'm to lazy to copycat my previous post, so here's the link to it...
oh, yeah, what I missed to say in there, is that as a VIP customer, you're able to listen and preview all tracks (in 24kbit/bitrate) before you deside to buy anything...
Why? do you ask?... well, we allready found a better, and oooh yes, I mean _better_ sercive (and I mean _a paying service_, not file tradeing..).
there's a saying, "if you want something _done_ properly , turn/go to the russians";-)... www.allofmp3.com
you can even choose your _encoding_ to what sooths your needs/taste to "the bigger biterate, the bigger my balls are!"-moto;-) . mp3 (up to 384 kbit/sec), wma (up to 320kbit/sec), ogg (up to 320kbit/sec), mpc (up to 270kbit/sec), and *drum rolls* MPEG-4 AAC [mp4] (up to _320_ kbit/sec).
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You can download up to 1000 files monthly
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and there are: 16809 albums of 5463 artists and 200517 compositions 1053 videos of 318 artists
that's over 14167 hours music non-stop! you can choose from!!!
oooh, yeah; *mega _drum rolls_*, the service is platform independent, works for everyone who has a browser;-).. so ppl like me *linuxboy*, don't have to run windows software thur winex or even worst, *yrk*, dual-boot Winx'P
Slashdot Mirror
kinda makes it hard to browse for info...
Even, as a hardcore linux user as myself; but I didn't start as one, no sir ye'; *got 10+ years of M$ experiance under my belt*; moving to linux was just the next logical step in my quest for more knowledge; switching for someone like me was 'a day in the park' and within days I'd assimilated & familiarized myself to operate it as I have done with M$ ....
Why I think this is a great thing/idea; is that I'm rather aware others haven't got neither the interest(s), willingness, or nor the brains; to take such large steps as to switch OS, and/or dualboot.... And nor have they deep pockets, no switch to eg. Apple & Co, no.
For these people, bringing them the 'cool & neat stuff' is the way to go. For them a 'long term transition' is absolutely the right choice & course to help them out of harms way ;-)
"He & Co are rather the incarnation of a 'Pharaoh & +5000 b.c Egyptian dynasty era'; on the sole quest of resurrecting 'Pyramids & pyramidic thinking...' & 'Domination'. Why? Because it's the only right thing todo, and you're either with them, or against them!"
(ps. I speak only what I see) */
So someone, offering a 'middle stepstone' toward OpenNess
hot diggidy, *woohhaa* competition feels great .... but coming fith doesn't :-)
'Fifth Post Raiders'
where we, matey's, raid every 'ShipArticle' sailing our way, by stiling their virgin 'Post' *aarr arrrghh* matey's.
come on, fellow slashdoter *wake up*, this doesn't feel like a sport anymore, where's the fun, if noone tries to compete with you for first post? *hmm*
>posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a >comment.
not fair! not fair! - how the heck should I then come first & second post?!
but can it warm my 'yamies' to a comfy 24.2 Celcius?
Why? do I say that, ... well, of you read/heard their 'scheme' you'd know that they'll distribute 3million bottles with yellow caps, where only 1 million bottles will have a 'winning number', inscribed at the inside/underside of the 'bottle cap'.
*do the math*..., Now, how is this 'free songs' and not going to earn them money instead? There isn't one little thing about this 'scheme' that says 'Free, as in beer' to me.
another thing, this 'scheme' has a _big_ security risk, in my eyes.... what if people will just go into a store, unscrew a cap, till one gets a winning cap.... and walk out of the store... without them noticing anything? /* ok, not every store, but there are stores that don't have fancy 'sec. cameras' pointed at every direction... */ ... because they'd get pissed of, that they didn't get a winning cap, and have to buy, and buy more bottles, before they got a winning one....
in the end, they could lose more money with this 'scheme', then shipping 1millon bottles, where everyone was a winner...
And you have the choice to choose your encoding, mp3 cbr, mp3 vbr, mp4 aac upto 320 bitrate, ogg, wma... etc *got a few*
(and, btw, apple said that they'll make it availible to other contries aswell, but at present time, nothing has been announced yet. *guess, we'll have to wait some more, then*)
I don't want to troll, but that's running non Apple xor M$ box... or Mozilla on any of them
(sure, some still want to see certain flashes... but, I guess, then you either use another browser that supports it, and start picking the places you browse...if one dosen't have the skills to add hosts to banlists....anyway, it'll all be good in the end - users aren't so stupid when things start to irritate/bug them, they'll somehow manage to achive their goal)
btw, I've done some digging, and found this document, scroll down to page 33 & 37-39; which I wasn't aware that software could also enable/disable the LME register. /* but then again, I don't know how/what they define 'software' to really mean/be. App & OS, OS not App, App not OS?...*/
*/
and scroll down/up to page 2: "Defaults can be overridden in most modes using an instruction prefix or system control bit" - page 2 - table 1. "Operating Modes" /* but what's "most modes"? */
But, then again, does their 'proprietary' software do this 'instruction prefixing or system control biting'? is it possible for them to switch to '64-bit addressing' from inside 'legacy mode'?
The this hardware is the car that can run at a top speed of 440 Km/h, all the roads are adapted to handle 440 Km/h, everyone in the world allready drives at top speeds of 440 Km/h.... but the driver of this car has only got the balls to puch the car to speeds of 220 Km/h....
*anyway* what I wanted to say
is how could it be 64-bit computing, if they run 'Microsoft Windows XP Professional' ?
Am I missing something? do they run something specially licensed from M$? *something in those lines?, like 'they're running a beta of their upcomming 64-bit XP..'?*
Coach Wooden: "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that's teamwork."
Ref.
Size doesn't matter.
I surely do, after reading a bunch of comments like your's. Pro-{KDE,Gnome} ppl that is, arguing about "how their oppinions/tastes are better/grander then the oppositions, what-else & what-not...".
In a quick sentense; Neither matter more or less then the other. Because einstein's "relativity theory" extends to other tings then just physics; and arguing which "choice" is better or worse or equal than the other, simply doesn't exist in the mind of a true "relativity nutcase" as me ;-) - they just exist *end of story*.
So if we stop biquering, for awhile, and step back a few step; and try to analyze things in a pacifistic way - maybe we'll get the picture.
*IMHO* - the 'picture' I see, from all of this, is actually, "more choices, then less" & "more satisfaction".
Howcome? *you (might) ask?* - let me put it in a breif anology:
KDE equals eg. 'Orange juce', while Gnome equals eg. 'Graphefrute juce'. There are three sort of ppl in this world,
I, happen to be one of the 'Case A)' ppl, *Am utterly, horrified over the taste of Graphfrute*, "just one of those things in life I can't do", is drink it. And who am I to bash on 'Graphfrute juce'-lovers out there, and who are they to bash me? And by now one might be content to say everyone should be more like 'Case C', and while I might understand your thought for awhile; things in life just are, so anyhow you try to 'bend it', in some or other way, all of the 'Cases' will forever exist.
!Thus, It's not a matter of 'which case one is', but more in the lines of "how can we get along, with each other, the way we are, with our tastes & dislikes?"
So for me this "GTK 2 QT Engine" is something that'll convert that horrid 'Graphfrute juce' I so dislike into something I love, 'Orange Juce'. *now, that's a pice of work, really - from my POV*
And while the quick thought out there, may start to think 'I found a flaw in his thinking' - That this, this engine, will extinct/exterminte Gnome / 'Case B' / 'Grapefrute juce'. And such a scenari is thus not my intention, thinking nor would I as a KDE lover go along with such a scheme - mearly because 'What if the tables would be the other way around?'; I know I wouldn't like extingtion to stumble upon my choices. So, what's missing, at present (to my knowledge), is a "QT 2 GTK Engine" that'll convert horrid 'Orange juce' into sweat 'Graphfrute juce' for those who drink it.
So, a "GTK 2 QT" & "QT 2 GTK" Engine - would be something both KDE & Gnome should invest in, to give us, the ppl, even "more choices, then less" & "more satisfaction", untop of those that they allready bless us with - After all, both are just a UserInterface, with a 'G' infront of them; what matters are the 'function(s)' unerneeth the 'hood we really don't see, unless we take a look underneeth' *emphasis on "Give us functions, and let us decide the UI of the G; after all isn't function(s) what we strive to use computers for?"*
brief, as brief as such a thing could be explained in...
//danalien
he said it, 'if we ever want to leave or _magnetosphere_'.
and doesn't it seem a tad familiar, to all ST geeks? (something we have heard, lots and lots of times... 'polarize the main...'...
Now I know it's not as easy as it is to say, but isn't it withneeth our grasp to realize something that'll utilize 'creating some sort of artificial magnetoshpre around our vessels' to protect us?
ps, and may I suggest also utilizing 'neodymium' *if magnets we'll be our savour, as they are the the most powerfull magnetical 'minerals' I can think of...*
Hold your hourses, there *for a while*
... and as it turns out this 'MAS' isn't there. *and one of them, didn't even know about what MAS was, untill he read this slashdot post...*
I've just steped by #xouvert
So it's not even included in the sources.... etc.
*though*, who knows, what the futre will behold.
Instead of 'bootable cds'..,
.... and you could even make some money, if you cooperated with a 'flash memory key ring' manufacturer.. and sold them with your 'linux distro' allready on them.
'bootable flash memory key rings'?
Don't get me wrong, I like/love 'bootable cds', like knoppix - heck it's my rescue disk nowaday. But the only thing, that's kind of *bugging*/*irritating*, is that changes you make while you run it, won't get saved (unless you use, that floppy-option *but in a floppy-free comp, as mine, what then?*)... and, and...THE SPEED kind of like could be improved if you used a USB 2.0 interface instead.
*anyway*, just my three cent's, for an Idea.
japp.
so if I where an admin there, I'd do the trasition in several steps, slowly under a longer period of time (like 1-2 years...but it all depends on what level the users are on..):
then, when they start asking "why are we still running & paying for M$ windows?, when everything we do is available on the free/open enviorment linux (linux/gnu) platform, for a fraction of the cost."... then I would say, it's a supreme situation to dring forth that linux install...
think of the +plus side, of it; time will only make the linux kernel and distros better, and give you plenty of oppertunity to plan & execute the whole trasition very/more effectlly.
PS. Don't forget, that M$ had lots of time getting their users used to using apps only for their platform, that after a while users can't/couldn't see past running anything else than windows, as the software they know & love is only win32.... so it makes sense to first "un-program" them from that restriction...
I got,
I'm to lazy to copycat my previous post, so here's the link to it...
oh, yeah, what I missed to say in there, is that as a VIP customer, you're able to listen and preview all tracks (in 24kbit/bitrate) before you deside to buy anything...
nothing, nada, zilch, inget, njet'zki, nicht'ski... etc
Why? do you ask?
there's a saying, "if you want something _done_ properly , turn/go to the russians"
you can even choose your _encoding_ to what sooths your needs/taste to "the bigger biterate, the bigger my balls are!"-moto
Price?
Traffic subscription:
Monthly subscription:
and there are:
16809 albums of 5463 artists and 200517 compositions
1053 videos of 318 artists
that's over 14167 hours music non-stop! you can choose from!!!
oooh, yeah; *mega _drum rolls_*, the service is platform independent, works for everyone who has a browser