An idea that I've been playing with for a while is that this is just some virus. Could be on any of the major os, as long as you have many users. So instead of 5 infected machines each with a 10Gig pipe (pulling numbers out of my bum.) you would have approx 829,857 infected (oh say) AOL users. (You've got virus.) (Figures come from dividing 10Gigabits by 56,000 (56kilobits), someone correct me if I'm way out on that number.)
At anyrate the number really isn't that big. These guys are obviously very sophicsticated (since they are forgeing packets, it's a good bet they aren't macro-kiddies), they could have even engineer the two different attacks that are being used. (By either releasing two viruses(sp?), or with date sensitive code. It will be interesting to see if it re-occurs around the 10th of next month and next year....)
Personally I think it does. If you take Unsung hero to mean unsung by the press.
I mean think of all the press Linus/Red Hat/etc. gets... and then compare that to RMS, ESR, Alan, etc. etc. etc. etc. I mean OSS is literally standing on the shoulders of giants. (Personally I think the unsung hero should have gone to the MoRE for their DeCSS, but that's me. Nothing against Alan, love the man like a son. (not really, don't know but he does impress the *fuck* out of me.) And I think this is an apporpriate way to reward the less appreciated amongst the OSS community....
They aren't putting all the entries on their entries page. In fact, my entry (which was submitted friday ) still hasn't shown up. So I'm willing bet that even this is a farce. (I'm sure rlb will correct me if I'm wrong.)
Here is my flame in it's entirety.
Hey guys, how's it going? Remember me.
Remember the night that we were at Paddy's and you laid out to me that scheme where you all would make millions by grabbing onto a buzzword, and going IPO while the hype was still hot?
Then I had the brilliant plan that if you guys were getting a lot of heat you could start a flamewar contest to make the investors (who would have to be morons anyway I think my words were) think that all the heat was part of a really popular contest????
So how's that going for you then??? Did you ever get it started.
(Disclaimer: I don't know these guys. Never have, if I saw them in the street I'd probably bitch slap them for taking advantage of the uninformed masses of the IPO market. I think they are the scum of the earth and should all be either sterilized or euthanasia. I full expect to see them on the streets in a year due to their own arrogance. )
Give it up guys, we all know the truth, you aren't fooling anyone. Pack up shop and go home, before the SEC comes down on your asses _hard_.
The bonus applies to anyone with a karma over like 25. (I have it, but don't use it usually, I'm using here to show you that I have it too even though I work for a company unrealted to either company.) It is not any kind of special perk.
I've been reading the site since (approx) the begining, and I agree with Kurt. (And no MR/MRS Conspiracy Theorist, I am not employed by andover or VA Linux!) Yes, there has been a slight change in the stories, but it is because Rob et al have changed and grown, just like the software industry has. It's natural.
As for the site being slower. It's definately faster than 9/20 when I first started using the company's T1. Then I would have to wait 5+ minutes for a page, now the time is inconsquential.....
The only thing that has really changed is that there are _more_ emotionally stunted individuals reading/. No I am not refering to those who insist that/. has changed! Wipe that hurt look off your face.
I am refering the individuals that break into conversations with meaningless trolls, ads for their company and/or statements like "free the source"/"Free hacker Y" and so on. And indivduals who are coming here only to be "proven right," no matter how wrong they are. But, really if you think about it, as long as you set your threshold right, these people are usually not even visible.... So when you get down to it, there isn't that much of a problem.
Dude. If you're not going to read my post. Don't respond. I did _NOT_ say they were a market leader, I said they were being portrayed as a market leader. In other words, there have been more articles about upcoming versions of linux than about win2000.
Secondly, I thought I made it clear in my first post that I am hands off as far as what my family uses. If they need help I'll help them but it's their descision.
Hmmm.... Gee, every member of my wife's family and mine are thinking about switching to Linux.... (with no encoragement from me, btw) Why? Positive experiences of friends, neighbors, co-workers and good press...
The professions are: Wife's Father : Plant Manger Wife's Mother : Teacher My Mother : Social Worker My 1st Brother : Cult Expert My 2nd Brother : HVAC Repairman My 1st Sister : Librarian My 2nd Sister : Social Worker
As you can see, these are not technical people. (Although my 1st brother did found the magazine "UnixWorld" in the mid-80's)
I think you reallly need to take you head out of Bill Gate's ass and look around. The press is full of positive stories about linux, and negative ones about _every_ other (except for the first time since '84 Apple) OS manufactuerer. Like it or not Linux is being protrayed as the market leader.....
Be careful! The DeCSS wasn't covered under the reverse engineering clause (according to the preliminary injunction). If the RIAA or mp3.com sees this as trying to circumvent a copy protection scheme, then you could get hauled into court. Granted just like the DeCSS you would (will) probably win either the first case or on appeal... but still if you are trying to avoid _all_ legal troubles.... I'd consult with a lawyer!
It seems to me that the only a few creative types (in the 20th century) have been able to truely entertain both children and adults. (Jim Henson, Dr. Suess, George Lucas, Frank L. Baum, and maybe Disney).
And the very best (IMHO) tried to entertain the child while teaching the adult something about their child's world. Examples would be "The Lorax" which tries to show what a child might think about industry or "The Labrynth" which is probably just about the best movie to show a preteen to prep them and you for their voyage into adult hood.
Sorry, but I had to comment because I just found out I'm going to be a father (due 8/12) and I've been thinking about this alot!
What with thier product they are doing is just what the GPL encorages(sp?). But what they are doing with their hype is completely wrong.
1) They claim that they have the easiest to use Linux. -- False, it's just a repackaged Red Hat.
2) They claim to bring skill at internationalization to the table. -- Maybe, but they should be working with the proper groups so that every bodies programs will work with their distro.
3) They try to make themselves sound like "the next red hat". -- False, at the time they filed for IPO, they had no product and had only invested $5,000 in equipment/office suplies.
Basically people are pissed because the potential investors are being lied to, and it's probably going to make linux look really, really bad!
No, actually I don't misunderstand your point. Sadly, I think I didn't explain my point that well. My point is that laptops are not expected to be as fast as desktops, even in the pro market. (The same point Transmeta makes with thier webpads, etc.)
This may be a cheap way to bring a low Mhz, low power etc laptop to the masses. It seems to me, that you combine the low power of a transmeta chip with an emulated G4 (including altivec which the chip should be able to handle fairly well considering that the chip is VLIW...) and you have a very powerful,cheap,light,long battery life for the power user on the go. If you could get an "AltiVec enabled Photoshop Pad" or an apple branded webpad, or an Ibook for say $600, would you really care about the Mhz? Most consumers wouldn't....
Not only that it would fulfill Jobs vision of making Apple the sony of the computer world. (Not the market leader in $$$, but the market maker...)
As for the UMA, all that it would require is UMA3 have slots for the extra chips and what ever... Remember that as far as the rest of the machine cares the only difference is in the pins.
I'm not saying that the rumor is true, I'm just saying there is more sense to it than some people believe.
From the article you site: According to an email Strum received from Apple, which CNET News.com obtained a copy of, the company said its contract with resellers restricts sales to end users only, meaning the computers can't be redistributed by Freemac. Strum, as one might expect, thinks that argument doesn't wash because a corporate customer buying from a CompUSA redistributes products to employees.
Looks to me like apples hands were tied. It is entirely possible that the distbutors threatened apple with a really, really big stick.
While there are many ills that can be laid at the feet of apple (I know, I own a performa 6400 with a yellow flickering 15" Av Monitor), I don't think they had much choice in the matter.
But you are assuming that the port would be to the x86 instruction set. If (as the engineers at Transmetat have admitted could be done) the Apple-Cursoe is given the software to emulate a G4 instead of x86, (with an exculsive licensce to apple of course).... you see where I'm going, right?
There would be a lot of value to apple in at least considering this. Remember Jobs wants to be the Sony of the computer world (not the market leader in sales, but in innovation). This would really get them a _lot_ of cheap publicity while saving them $100+ per chip.
Of course, a Apple-Curose combo would obviously only happen in the laptop area, where speed is less important than power consumption and heat!!
Just picture an iBook running macos or linux of *BSD that can last 24+ hrs on a single battery charge. This could really explode the apple brand.
Take a new Apple laptop ( not a high Mhz monster ) through in a Curosoe that has been given the software to "be" a G4 (just like it can "be" an x86) and you have a partial solution to the G4 shortage and a pretty cool laptop tooo (that could run linux).
If the prices at Transmeta are correct it would also be cheaper for apple then getting G4's,
Apparently USB 2 is going to be faster than Firewire
Nope, USB 2 is going to be faster than USB 1, but still slower than Firewire 1. (Faster implementations of Firewire are expected to be around before USB 2 is finalized.)
Not to sound paranoid, but in my experiences with startups there are three things that can happen.
1) A second-string player can pick and leave for a better position with a competitor. All the work _you_ did as a first string player is then exposed, leaving your company to scramble to get some compelling features.
2) If $$$ gets tight the managers get wierd. I was "asked" to put in 100+ hr weeks a few years ago right before christmas. I was promised time and half even though the company couldn't afford it. I got my work done with 3 days to spare, but the "VP" kept trying to blame the failed install on me. In particular he claimed that I missed the deadline, even though I had a printed email from him acknowledge the receipt of the final product and accepting it as being final. (The "VP" is the one who over-promised to get the measly $100K in sales.)
3) Get _EVERYTHING_ in writting. (If a promise or technique or whatever is email to you print it out, and make it common knowledge that you do this!) I've had kudo's turn into feces on several occasions (like #2 above). Keep the files _at_ _your_ _home_ for at _least_ 5 years.
Don't get me wrong, startups are a _blast_, but you are constantly on the edge (like the poor guy above!), and people once loyal will turn on you like a trapped animal!
DeCSS was designed from the word go to bootleg CDs
Ummm... CDs don't use CSS.
As for the rest of your point. At this time, bootlegging DVD is economically unfeasible. 1) No DVD-RAM on the market has enough storage space. 2) It would cost more for 2+ dvd-ram discs than it would for 95% of the commercially availble DVDs.
Seeing that at the time of the creation of this program, there is no market for bootleg DVDs, I think that you would find it hard to prove in a court of law* that DeCSS was made to bootleg DVDs.
If you can't prove that, there is _NO_ _CASE_.
Further, we are defending our right as programmers to play with technology and "see how they did it." At this time (the the befuddlement of many corporations) this is still perfectly legal.
* The concept of "proving" in a court of law, while not as stringent as that of the scientific community, is still very strict. This case is still very much up in the air. (BTW, IANAL (thank god))
Your assignment if you choose to accept it is parallels between the Matrix and Buddhist Epistimlolololology(never could spell that right.:) )
Actually I see the movie as a huge rosach(sp? the inkblots) test. I saw it as a very interesting take on some of the Mahayana Buddist explinations of reality....
Don't underestimate this book.
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This was one of the first "real" sci-fi books I read. (Up until I read it at age 12, I was 100% pure fantasy) It was and continues to be one of the major factors in my love of sci-fi!
It looks like (from th eff's brief) that they are arguing that decryption is free speech (correct me if I'm wrong). This would be a huge win, since it could (by a good lawyer) be streched to reverse engineering.....
Disclaimer: IANAL! (but I do watch ally mcbeal every week...:) )
True conservatives are. Just like true liberals are for compassionate gov't.... (sigh, sometimes I think I'm one of the last true liberals around.)
However the conservative moniker is currently (last 10 years or so) being usurped by the "Family values" movement. (Just like the liberals are being usurped by the Politically Correct movement).
The family values has very little to do with true conservativism and a lot more with make certain televanglists *cough* pat robertson *cough* a lot of money....
Although if the Internet division kept IE along with the other props, it would provide at least some competition for AOL Time Warner. Sort of trying to kill two trusts with one stone.
That's why it's a problem in libraries - public computers are a whole different animal. Still, all you really need is a librarian looking over your shoulder and a rule requiring anyone who accesses porn to leave.
My sister is a librarian. A guy would come into her library and umm... "relieve his needs" in the basement where the kept the old periodicals...He'd been caught many times (even b4 my sister started), but kept doing it.
Maybe though you have an idea.... Let me bounce this back off of you...
1)Any kid under 14(or whatever age the library deems apporpriate) has to have the parent sign their Library card application and provide a valid email address.
2) The kid has to log onto the computer with their library card number
3) a log of all http/ftp/gopher requested initiating from that computer is sent to the parents. The parent can then just do a quick scan for any sites s/he might not want thier kid viewing.
OTHO, there are some sites (www.hotthrobbing$*$*$.com) that I would like to premptively prevent my child from seeing....
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An idea that I've been playing with for a while is that this is just some virus. Could be on any of the major os, as long as you have many users. So instead of 5 infected machines each with a 10Gig pipe (pulling numbers out of my bum.) you would have approx 829,857 infected (oh say) AOL users. (You've got virus.) (Figures come from dividing 10Gigabits by 56,000 (56kilobits), someone correct me if I'm way out on that number.)
At anyrate the number really isn't that big. These guys are obviously very sophicsticated (since they are forgeing packets, it's a good bet they aren't macro-kiddies), they could have even engineer the two different attacks that are being used. (By either releasing two viruses(sp?), or with date sensitive code. It will be interesting to see if it re-occurs around the 10th of next month and next year....)
Just an idea.....
RobK
Personally I think it does. If you take Unsung hero to mean unsung by the press.
I mean think of all the press Linus/Red Hat/etc. gets... and then compare that to RMS, ESR, Alan, etc. etc. etc. etc. I mean OSS is literally standing on the shoulders of giants. (Personally I think the unsung hero should have gone to the MoRE for their DeCSS, but that's me. Nothing against Alan, love the man like a son. (not really, don't know but he does impress the *fuck* out of me.) And I think this is an apporpriate way to reward the less appreciated amongst the OSS community....
They aren't putting all the entries on their entries page. In fact, my entry (which was submitted friday ) still hasn't shown up. So I'm willing bet that even this is a farce. (I'm sure rlb will correct me if I'm wrong.)
Here is my flame in it's entirety.
Hey guys, how's it going? Remember me.
Remember the night that we were at Paddy's
and you laid out to me that scheme where you all would make millions by grabbing onto a buzzword, and going IPO while the hype was still hot?
Then I had the brilliant plan that if you guys were getting a lot of heat you could start a flamewar contest to make the investors (who would have to be morons anyway I think my words were) think that all the heat was part of a really popular contest????
So how's that going for you then??? Did you ever get it started.
(Disclaimer: I don't know these guys. Never have, if I saw them in the street I'd probably bitch slap them for taking advantage of the uninformed masses of the IPO market. I think they are the scum of the earth and should all be either sterilized or euthanasia. I full expect to see them on the streets in a year due to their own arrogance.
)
Give it up guys, we all know the truth, you aren't fooling anyone. Pack up shop and go home, before the SEC comes down on your asses _hard_.
The bonus applies to anyone with a karma over like 25. (I have it, but don't use it usually, I'm using here to show you that I have it too even though I work for a company unrealted to either company.) It is not any kind of special perk.
I've been reading the site since (approx) the begining, and I agree with Kurt. (And no MR/MRS Conspiracy Theorist, I am not employed by andover or VA Linux!) Yes, there has been a slight change in the stories, but it is because Rob et al have changed and grown, just like the software industry has. It's natural.
/. No I am not refering to those who insist that /. has changed! Wipe that hurt look off your face.
As for the site being slower. It's definately faster than 9/20 when I first started using the company's T1. Then I would have to wait 5+ minutes for a page, now the time is inconsquential.....
The only thing that has really changed is that there are _more_ emotionally stunted individuals reading
I am refering the individuals that break into conversations with meaningless trolls, ads for their company and/or statements like "free the source"/"Free hacker Y" and so on. And indivduals who are coming here only to be "proven right," no matter how wrong they are. But, really if you think about it, as long as you set your threshold right, these people are usually not even visible.... So when you get down to it, there isn't that much of a problem.
Dude. If you're not going to read my post. Don't respond. I did _NOT_ say they were a market leader, I said they were being portrayed as a market leader. In other words, there have been more articles about upcoming versions of linux than about win2000.
Secondly, I thought I made it clear in my first post that I am hands off as far as what my family uses. If they need help I'll help them but it's their descision.
Hmmm....
Gee, every member of my wife's family and mine are thinking about switching to Linux.... (with no encoragement from me, btw) Why? Positive experiences of friends, neighbors, co-workers and good press...
The professions are:
Wife's Father : Plant Manger
Wife's Mother : Teacher
My Mother : Social Worker
My 1st Brother : Cult Expert
My 2nd Brother : HVAC Repairman
My 1st Sister : Librarian
My 2nd Sister : Social Worker
As you can see, these are not technical people. (Although my 1st brother did found the magazine "UnixWorld" in the mid-80's)
I think you reallly need to take you head out of Bill Gate's ass and look around. The press is full of positive stories about linux, and negative ones about _every_ other (except for the first time since '84 Apple) OS manufactuerer. Like it or not Linux is being protrayed as the market leader.....
Be careful! The DeCSS wasn't covered under the reverse engineering clause (according to the preliminary injunction). If the RIAA or mp3.com sees this as trying to circumvent a copy protection scheme, then you could get hauled into court. Granted just like the DeCSS you would (will) probably win either the first case or on appeal... but still if you are trying to avoid _all_ legal troubles.... I'd consult with a lawyer!
It seems to me that the only a few creative types (in the 20th century) have been able to truely entertain both children and adults. (Jim Henson, Dr. Suess, George Lucas, Frank L. Baum, and maybe Disney).
And the very best (IMHO) tried to entertain the child while teaching the adult something about their child's world. Examples would be "The Lorax" which tries to show what a child might think about industry or "The Labrynth" which is probably just about the best movie to show a preteen to prep them and you for their voyage into adult hood.
Sorry, but I had to comment because I just found out I'm going to be a father (due 8/12) and I've been thinking about this alot!
What with thier product they are doing is just what the GPL encorages(sp?). But what they are doing with their hype is completely wrong.
1) They claim that they have the easiest to use Linux. -- False, it's just a repackaged Red Hat.
2) They claim to bring skill at internationalization to the table. -- Maybe, but they should be working with the proper groups so that every bodies programs will work with their distro.
3) They try to make themselves sound like "the next red hat". -- False, at the time they filed for IPO, they had no product and had only invested $5,000 in equipment/office suplies.
Basically people are pissed because the potential investors are being lied to, and it's probably going to make linux look really, really bad!
No, actually I don't misunderstand your point. Sadly, I think I didn't explain my point that well. My point is that laptops are not expected to be as fast as desktops, even in the pro market. (The same point Transmeta makes with thier webpads, etc.)
This may be a cheap way to bring a low Mhz, low power etc laptop to the masses. It seems to me,
that you combine the low power of a transmeta chip with an emulated G4 (including altivec which the chip should be able to handle fairly well considering that the chip is VLIW...) and you have a very powerful,cheap,light,long battery life for the power user on the go. If you could get an "AltiVec enabled Photoshop Pad" or an apple branded webpad, or an Ibook for say $600, would you really care about the Mhz? Most consumers wouldn't....
Not only that it would fulfill Jobs vision of making Apple the sony of the computer world. (Not the market leader in $$$, but the market maker...)
As for the UMA, all that it would require is UMA3 have slots for the extra chips and what ever... Remember that as far as the rest of the machine cares the only difference is in the pins.
I'm not saying that the rumor is true, I'm just saying there is more sense to it than some people believe.
From the article you site:
According to an email Strum received from Apple, which CNET News.com obtained a copy of, the company said its contract with resellers restricts sales to end users only, meaning the computers can't be redistributed by Freemac. Strum, as one might expect, thinks that argument doesn't wash because a corporate customer buying from a CompUSA redistributes products to employees.
Looks to me like apples hands were tied. It is entirely possible that the distbutors threatened apple with a really, really big stick.
While there are many ills that can be laid at the feet of apple (I know, I own a performa 6400 with a yellow flickering 15" Av Monitor), I don't think they had much choice in the matter.
But you are assuming that the port would be to the x86 instruction set. If (as the engineers at Transmetat have admitted could be done) the Apple-Cursoe is given the software to emulate a G4 instead of x86, (with an exculsive licensce to apple of course).... you see where I'm going, right?
There would be a lot of value to apple in at least considering this. Remember Jobs wants to be the Sony of the computer world (not the market leader in sales, but in innovation). This would really get them a _lot_ of cheap publicity while saving them $100+ per chip.
Of course, a Apple-Curose combo would obviously only happen in the laptop area, where speed is less important than power consumption and heat!!
Just picture an iBook running macos or linux of *BSD that can last 24+ hrs on a single battery charge. This could really explode the apple brand.
Again, if the rumor is true.
Take a new Apple laptop ( not a high Mhz monster )
through in a Curosoe that has been given the software to "be" a G4 (just like it can "be" an x86) and you have a partial solution to the G4 shortage and a pretty cool laptop tooo (that could run linux).
If the prices at Transmeta are correct it would also be cheaper for apple then getting G4's,
Sounds like a perfect match to me.
Apparently USB 2 is going to be faster than Firewire
Nope, USB 2 is going to be faster than USB 1,
but still slower than Firewire 1. (Faster implementations of Firewire are expected to be around before USB 2 is finalized.)
Not to sound paranoid, but in my experiences with
startups there are three things that can happen.
1) A second-string player can pick and leave for
a better position with a competitor. All the work _you_ did as a first string player is then exposed, leaving your company to scramble to get some compelling features.
2) If $$$ gets tight the managers get wierd. I was "asked" to put in 100+ hr weeks a few years ago right before christmas. I was promised time and half even though the company couldn't afford it. I got my work done with 3 days to spare, but the "VP" kept trying to blame the failed install on me. In particular he claimed that I missed the deadline, even though I had a printed email from him acknowledge the receipt of the final product and accepting it as being final. (The "VP" is the one who over-promised to get the measly $100K in sales.)
3) Get _EVERYTHING_ in writting. (If a promise or technique or whatever is email to you print it out, and make it common knowledge that you do this!) I've had kudo's turn into feces on several occasions (like #2 above). Keep the files _at_ _your_ _home_ for at _least_ 5 years.
Don't get me wrong, startups are a _blast_,
but you are constantly on the edge (like the poor guy above!), and people once loyal will turn on you like a trapped animal!
Good Luck!
RobK
DeCSS was designed from the word go to bootleg CDs
Ummm... CDs don't use CSS.
As for the rest of your point.
At this time, bootlegging DVD is economically unfeasible. 1) No DVD-RAM on the market has enough storage space. 2) It would cost more for 2+ dvd-ram discs than it would for 95% of the commercially availble DVDs.
Seeing that at the time of the creation of this program, there is no market for bootleg DVDs, I think that you would find it hard to prove in a court of law* that DeCSS was made to bootleg DVDs.
If you can't prove that, there is _NO_ _CASE_.
Further, we are defending our right as programmers to play with technology and "see how they did it." At this time (the the befuddlement of many corporations) this is still perfectly legal.
* The concept of "proving" in a court of law, while not as stringent as that of the scientific community, is still very strict. This case is still very much up in the air. (BTW, IANAL (thank god))
Your assignment if you choose to accept it is parallels between the Matrix and Buddhist Epistimlolololology(never could spell that right. :) )
Actually I see the movie as a huge rosach(sp? the inkblots) test. I saw it as a very interesting take on some of the Mahayana Buddist explinations of reality....
This was one of the first "real" sci-fi books I read. (Up until I read it at age 12, I was 100% pure fantasy) It was and continues to be one of the major factors in my love of sci-fi!
It looks like (from th eff's brief) that they are arguing that decryption is free speech (correct me if I'm wrong). This would be a huge win, since it could (by a good lawyer) be streched to reverse engineering.....
:) )
Disclaimer: IANAL! (but I do watch ally mcbeal every week...
Xerox got the chance to invest money in Apple right before apple went public.
In the end Xerox made a great deal of money and alot of the engineers that worked at PARC ended up working for Apple or Microsoft.
True conservatives are. Just like true liberals are for compassionate gov't.... (sigh, sometimes I think I'm one of the last true liberals around.)
However the conservative moniker is currently (last 10 years or so) being usurped by the "Family values" movement. (Just like the liberals are being usurped by the Politically Correct movement).
The family values has very little to do with true conservativism and a lot more with make certain televanglists *cough* pat robertson *cough* a lot of money....
Although if the Internet division kept IE along with the other props, it would provide at least some competition for AOL Time Warner. Sort of trying to kill two trusts with one stone.
:)
Just an idea.....
That's why it's a problem in libraries - public computers are a whole different animal. Still, all you really need is a librarian looking over your shoulder and a rule requiring anyone who accesses porn to leave.
My sister is a librarian. A guy would come into her library and umm... "relieve his needs" in the basement where the kept the old periodicals...He'd been caught many times (even b4 my sister started), but kept doing it.
Maybe though you have an idea....
Let me bounce this back off of you...
1)Any kid under 14(or whatever age the library deems apporpriate) has to have the parent sign their Library card application and provide a valid email address.
2) The kid has to log onto the computer with their library card number
3) a log of all http/ftp/gopher requested initiating from that computer is sent to the parents. The parent can then just do a quick scan for any sites s/he might not want thier kid viewing.
OTHO, there are some sites (www.hotthrobbing$*$*$.com) that I would like to premptively prevent my child from seeing....
Oh well, just a thought.
Ok, well what do you suggest as an alternative?
I was trying to get a point to start the discussion.