And by "vapid idiots" you mean "people who don't think like me."
the big problem is that all this desktop crap doesn't matter.
Not for you, perhaps.
X-over-ssh is non-negotiable.
And any applications you have that use X11 will continue to work. It's hideously inefficient for anything using a recent toolkit, but it'll work.
it would be great if the X-now-wayland wankers did their wanking on some more-async, lower-bandwidth interface that didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Well considering that they can capture the per-app buffers, compress them, and stream them over the network only on update (without polling), I'm sure that a wayland-derived remote system will easily be more efficient than X11 and VNC. Tunneled over SSH, of course.
Net Neutrality is not designed to stop actions like this.
If it's directed towards Netflix, yes it was.
The government does not care about this. They will not act against this.
Only because the FCC is hindered by Congress and can't put ISPs in the common carrier category they belong in. So Verizon looks at traffic and says "oh, sorry about Netflix being slow, have you seen our TV deals?!"
But please, be more enraged on behalf of abusive corporations. I'm sure they appreciate it.
Nice, but in case some fool takes you seriously...
Linux can't have a viral open source lock-down like GPL 3.0
Irrational statements like this show you argue from emotion rather than logic.
So things like Android and Steam OS aren't going to bring Linux style "freedom".
SteamOS being based on Debian means it could very well do so, as Debian readily uses GPLv3 packages and nothing Valve is doing would be impacted by the GPLv3.
You can still do TIVOization
Yet nothing indicates Valve will do so. If anything, their own behavior suggests the direct opposite.
There are and WILL be strings, unlike the operating system itself. Correct me if I am wrong, but I'm pretty sure I am correct --- and please only people that know what they are talking about (so thank you in advance!).
What strings? Can you name them? You can't be contradicted if you won't lay out your claims.
Competition is good, but in markets like the US where the mobile space is functionally broken due to the business models of the carriers, you can't enjoy innovation.
How many players are actually in the market?
Shockingly few, mostly those willing to crank out new handsets every 6 months (Samsung, HTC, et. al.) to comply with carrier demands or the single US example of Apple, who can build a single hardware platform and deliver one new handset to carriers per year.
Where are the small, innovative underdogs?
There are some minor players trying to do new things, but none of them sell into the US. The carriers and gorillas like Apple and Microsoft make it too dangerous.
Which is just how they want it. A stagnant market that is safe from competition.
No one justified anything. Stop trying to change the subject.
I'm not changing the subject, I'm directly questioning your assertion. There's no evidence that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq did a single, goddamn thing to prevent terrorism in the US. None.
Making it OK for the President to use the IRS to to harass and attack his political opponents?
It still hasn't been shown that the President was involved, I'm sure that his enemies would be all over the news if they had any actual evidence for it. But, again, we'll ignore the fact that "occupy" groups were overly scrutinized as well. You still didn't respond to my question regarding the EPA and ATF being used against political opponents.
"Suddenly" the President is using the IRS to harass and attack his political opponents.
Let's ignore the fact that the prior president started two wars and helped needlessly expand the power of the executive, increasing the threat to the public. Face it, you're a partisan hack and ignored the wrong-doing until "not your guy" ended up in office.
most of the dangerous terrorists were lured to Iraq and Afghanistan and killed.
Were they? Sounds more like a rationalization or ex post facto justification for those wars. I would argue that they didn't exist at the proclaimed threat level that was presented, given the lack of any real attacks in the mentioned time frame.
Now it's 2014 and the President is using the IRS
We'll just ignore, like the GOP did, that the IRS went after "Occupy" groups as well, and that every group investigated did get its non-profit status eventually.
EPA, and ATF to harass and attack his political opponents.
I know that people who hate Obama love to make baseless claims, so I'm going to have to ask you for some examples of this.
Government threats are real and present.
And they were ignored wholly from 2001 to 2008, then suddenly they became the biggest threat ever.
Because there is still some way to go before there is a fully functional Wayland environment.
There's already fully functional Wayland environments, it's shipping on at least one vehicle IVI system and Jolla's handset. What's missing is distro adoption, but even that's inevitable. Far from the "hope" that toolkits will take up the slack -- they already have.
it appears that even faint praise is taken as some sort of attack.
Are you so sensitive that you take simple replies as attacks?
You think you need Valve to give you WINE? How strange.
No, that's just you not reading me right. I explicitly said that I'd be more interested in testing Wine on my existing library, i.e. rather than avoiding it I would actually make the attempt.
if you let them do it, they get control of your computer in the deal.
At no point is Valve in control of my computer, even if they delivered Wine to me.
there's hope (and some evidence) that writers of toolkits such as Qt will pick up the slack.
Err, I don't know why you put it in such thin terms. Qt has pretty thoroughly integrated support for Wayland via QtWayland, which lets you write your own Wayland compositor using the QtCompositor class.
Architectures like Wayland directly benefit toolkits like Qt because it directly services what Qt was doing already: rendering in a buffer and displaying it.
By doing less it reduces attack surface and increases maintainability. No more wondering why Xorg won't start because it can't find some useless raster font. Everything is done in toolkits that render to buffers these days.
will have no decent device driver support.
The following quote from the Wayland FAQ is entirely true:
Where possible, Wayland reuses existing drivers and infrastructure.
Wayland uses EGL and GLES2, which means that any driver that exports those (virtually all of them, given that GLES2 is a subset of OpenGL 4) is already capable of working with Wayland - which is one reason libhybris works in allowing Wayland to use Android drivers.
The developer priesthood needs to venture forth from it's echo chamber once in awhile and actually observe real end users.
So "real end users" are doing what with X11 that can't be done otherwise?
What's wrong with doing work that you expect ZERO acknowledgement from anyone?
Nothing, so long as you explicitly acknowledge that as a possibility. Some would argue that it's a fool's errand, but in the end it's your choice. Some accept it and release under the BSD, some realize it and release under the GPL. Others play a game with dual licensing. All depends on what their goals are.
Why RMS is so against that yet claims to be pro freedom, I'll never understand.
Because his goal is to ensure that no one finds themselves in a position where they're using a binary without sources. Someone in that position is not free, and the GPL is his tool to ensure that doesn't happen.
I don't think he's asking you to agree with him. I think he's expressing his opinion of LLVM within the context of his goals. Given it happened on the GCC mailing list, I hardly see this as shocking or surprising.
why the hell should the open source community praise Valve for bringing proprietrary software to its most famous platform?
Because if anything is going to bring users to Linux it'll be games. Games are what tie me to Windows, and I'd be more interested in testing Wine on my existing library if I can get my newest games out of the (proverbial) box on Linux.
The fact is that an addition of proprietary software to a largely open ecosystem is not a benefit, but a threat.
Not as much of a threat as Microsoft's exclusive ownership of the PC gaming world.
This statement that the FOSS is praising Valve sends out the message that the FOSS community wants another Windows or Mac OS, i.e. another operating system with a great amount of support by proprietary software vendors. That is not what the FOSS community is about.
Please stop talking as if the "FOSS community" was a unified front. I would love to move to a FOSS operating system if I could still play my proprietary games on it. Valve may actually give me a chance.
The worst parts of Androids have always been the open-source components, the modifiable OS and UI that third-party carriers and OEMs routinely turn to crap.
Then your problem is with the OEMs, not the open source components. And if you're in the US, the carriers.
it can be argued that Google makes better software -- and more significantly, UX designs -- than the open-source world.
Not terribly relevant, especially when you consider that Google created all of the open source bits of Android.
For folks like me who just want a way to effectively use their Google accounts on the go, Google usually does it a lot better first-party than third party, open-source attempts.
Do you even know what you're talking about?
I WANT a closed Google Phone because it's less messy and better integrated.
Which is neither here nor there with respect to the software being open source. Perhaps you would be better off with an iPhone?
It's just my opinion, but open source isn't everything to everyone. Usability matters more to some, and in this case Google is a lot better at it than most third parties.
Which, again, is irrelevant. Of course, that you're at +5 just shows there are people with mod points that have equally poor understanding.
What are grad students for if not the massive man-hours required to simply photograph or scan every page?
Because there probably aren't enough man hours for such rote, manual labor? Particularly if you're underfunded and your time is split between the research you're supposed to be doing and something completely unrelated to your job?
Where is ANY sign of a volunteer effort to preserve this data?
Why should they have had to worry about it?
Lets say it had not been thrown out. What about Fire? Flood? Library of Alexandra mean anything to anyone?
Unlikely that they'd take out 22 libraries all at the same time, let alone that this is a straw man.
To blame funds alone on letting this data slip away is absolving from blame those in charge of caring for the data.
Given the infrastructure for caring for the data was being actively ripped out, I don't see how removal of funding can't be blamed.
I simply can't get worked up over the loss of data those closest too apparently never lifted a finger to digitally safeguard.
Then you're being callous towards those who are being targeted politically for the purpose of silencing them and punishing them for threatening the unclean profits of others.
Never mind that the Net Neutrality legislation that we had would have pretty much forced all ISP's to this pricing model before too long, unable to make pricing deals with popular streaming video sources...
No, this is better than that pricing "model." The problem here is that the price per gigabyte is ridiculously high.
Never mind that Net Neutrality as people are championing it is all about every byte to you being treated "equally" despite the fact that not one person on earth has not wished for network prioritization for favored content since the dawn of networking.
Most people want their data, whatever it may be, to be high priority. Solved by buying a higher throughput connection. Per-service, per-website discrimination should be left up to the user, not the ISPs who are hoping to use it to double dip for their pipes and hold their own customers hostage.
I can claim that gun control decreases health care costs (because it reduces gun violence and victims of violence use hospitals--this has been claimed for real). I could on the other hand claim that looser gun laws decrease health care costs (because people can use guns to protect themselves from criminals and people hurt by criminals use hospitals).
Or you could look at the underlying factors for the vast majority of food stamp consumption and gun violence: poverty.
Maybe we need stronger drug laws (stoned people don't take care of themselves very well)
The private prison industry would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
or weaker drug laws (the drug war sends people to prison where health is bad and they can't earn a living when they get out since they have an arrest record, making them poor, and so more likely to have high health care costs).
Protip: Treatment is cheaper than enforcement. Cleaner, properly dosed product is also less dangerous.
How about arguing that censoring video games reduces health care costs?
Baseless.
It's all about disguising a political position as a nonpartisan one, not about health care.
Or it's about the fact that one faction in this country sees the poor as the enemy, as directed by talking heads on channels like Fox News. Paid for, of course, by the corporations and rich in this nation that move jobs out of the country and clamor for lower taxes (pushing the burden they help worse off on the rest of the country.)
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And by "vapid idiots" you mean "people who don't think like me."
Not for you, perhaps.
And any applications you have that use X11 will continue to work. It's hideously inefficient for anything using a recent toolkit, but it'll work.
Well considering that they can capture the per-app buffers, compress them, and stream them over the network only on update (without polling), I'm sure that a wayland-derived remote system will easily be more efficient than X11 and VNC. Tunneled over SSH, of course.
If it's directed towards Netflix, yes it was.
Only because the FCC is hindered by Congress and can't put ISPs in the common carrier category they belong in. So Verizon looks at traffic and says "oh, sorry about Netflix being slow, have you seen our TV deals?!"
But please, be more enraged on behalf of abusive corporations. I'm sure they appreciate it.
Nice, but in case some fool takes you seriously...
Irrational statements like this show you argue from emotion rather than logic.
SteamOS being based on Debian means it could very well do so, as Debian readily uses GPLv3 packages and nothing Valve is doing would be impacted by the GPLv3.
Yet nothing indicates Valve will do so. If anything, their own behavior suggests the direct opposite.
What strings? Can you name them? You can't be contradicted if you won't lay out your claims.
Competition is good, but in markets like the US where the mobile space is functionally broken due to the business models of the carriers, you can't enjoy innovation.
Shockingly few, mostly those willing to crank out new handsets every 6 months (Samsung, HTC, et. al.) to comply with carrier demands or the single US example of Apple, who can build a single hardware platform and deliver one new handset to carriers per year.
There are some minor players trying to do new things, but none of them sell into the US. The carriers and gorillas like Apple and Microsoft make it too dangerous.
Which is just how they want it. A stagnant market that is safe from competition.
I'm not changing the subject, I'm directly questioning your assertion. There's no evidence that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq did a single, goddamn thing to prevent terrorism in the US. None.
It still hasn't been shown that the President was involved, I'm sure that his enemies would be all over the news if they had any actual evidence for it. But, again, we'll ignore the fact that "occupy" groups were overly scrutinized as well. You still didn't respond to my question regarding the EPA and ATF being used against political opponents.
Let's ignore the fact that the prior president started two wars and helped needlessly expand the power of the executive, increasing the threat to the public. Face it, you're a partisan hack and ignored the wrong-doing until "not your guy" ended up in office.
Were they? Sounds more like a rationalization or ex post facto justification for those wars. I would argue that they didn't exist at the proclaimed threat level that was presented, given the lack of any real attacks in the mentioned time frame.
We'll just ignore, like the GOP did, that the IRS went after "Occupy" groups as well, and that every group investigated did get its non-profit status eventually.
I know that people who hate Obama love to make baseless claims, so I'm going to have to ask you for some examples of this.
And they were ignored wholly from 2001 to 2008, then suddenly they became the biggest threat ever.
There's already fully functional Wayland environments, it's shipping on at least one vehicle IVI system and Jolla's handset. What's missing is distro adoption, but even that's inevitable. Far from the "hope" that toolkits will take up the slack -- they already have.
Are you so sensitive that you take simple replies as attacks?
No, that's just you not reading me right. I explicitly said that I'd be more interested in testing Wine on my existing library, i.e. rather than avoiding it I would actually make the attempt.
At no point is Valve in control of my computer, even if they delivered Wine to me.
Err, I don't know why you put it in such thin terms. Qt has pretty thoroughly integrated support for Wayland via QtWayland, which lets you write your own Wayland compositor using the QtCompositor class.
Architectures like Wayland directly benefit toolkits like Qt because it directly services what Qt was doing already: rendering in a buffer and displaying it.
By doing less it reduces attack surface and increases maintainability. No more wondering why Xorg won't start because it can't find some useless raster font. Everything is done in toolkits that render to buffers these days.
The following quote from the Wayland FAQ is entirely true:
Wayland uses EGL and GLES2, which means that any driver that exports those (virtually all of them, given that GLES2 is a subset of OpenGL 4) is already capable of working with Wayland - which is one reason libhybris works in allowing Wayland to use Android drivers.
So "real end users" are doing what with X11 that can't be done otherwise?
Argument from apathy?
How so? I would argue that this drives home the point for Stallman that GCC needs to be better.
It means that they're free to go to someone who can do something with it, and have them work their magic. It ensures that there are always options.
Nothing, so long as you explicitly acknowledge that as a possibility. Some would argue that it's a fool's errand, but in the end it's your choice. Some accept it and release under the BSD, some realize it and release under the GPL. Others play a game with dual licensing. All depends on what their goals are.
Because his goal is to ensure that no one finds themselves in a position where they're using a binary without sources. Someone in that position is not free, and the GPL is his tool to ensure that doesn't happen.
I don't think he's asking you to agree with him. I think he's expressing his opinion of LLVM within the context of his goals. Given it happened on the GCC mailing list, I hardly see this as shocking or surprising.
Because if anything is going to bring users to Linux it'll be games. Games are what tie me to Windows, and I'd be more interested in testing Wine on my existing library if I can get my newest games out of the (proverbial) box on Linux.
Not as much of a threat as Microsoft's exclusive ownership of the PC gaming world.
Please stop talking as if the "FOSS community" was a unified front. I would love to move to a FOSS operating system if I could still play my proprietary games on it. Valve may actually give me a chance.
Then your problem is with the OEMs, not the open source components. And if you're in the US, the carriers.
Not terribly relevant, especially when you consider that Google created all of the open source bits of Android.
Do you even know what you're talking about?
Which is neither here nor there with respect to the software being open source. Perhaps you would be better off with an iPhone?
Which, again, is irrelevant. Of course, that you're at +5 just shows there are people with mod points that have equally poor understanding.
Because there probably aren't enough man hours for such rote, manual labor? Particularly if you're underfunded and your time is split between the research you're supposed to be doing and something completely unrelated to your job?
Why should they have had to worry about it?
Unlikely that they'd take out 22 libraries all at the same time, let alone that this is a straw man.
Given the infrastructure for caring for the data was being actively ripped out, I don't see how removal of funding can't be blamed.
Then you're being callous towards those who are being targeted politically for the purpose of silencing them and punishing them for threatening the unclean profits of others.
It's quite sad how it's led to self-blame and self-hate like this.
Keep in mind that much of this happens at a young age, and children can be very, very horrible to each other.
No, this is better than that pricing "model." The problem here is that the price per gigabyte is ridiculously high.
Most people want their data, whatever it may be, to be high priority. Solved by buying a higher throughput connection. Per-service, per-website discrimination should be left up to the user, not the ISPs who are hoping to use it to double dip for their pipes and hold their own customers hostage.
That iPhones run xnu is irrelevant given how hard they fight to keep you away from it.
A pointless and moralistic stance.
Sure, but that's beside the point.
Opposition to contraceptives and proper sex education is purely malicious.
Hey, maybe we should look into ending this? No, that would simply enrage Wall Street.
I see you're believing the lie. Good job!
Or you could look at the underlying factors for the vast majority of food stamp consumption and gun violence: poverty.
The private prison industry would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Protip: Treatment is cheaper than enforcement. Cleaner, properly dosed product is also less dangerous.
Baseless.
Or it's about the fact that one faction in this country sees the poor as the enemy, as directed by talking heads on channels like Fox News. Paid for, of course, by the corporations and rich in this nation that move jobs out of the country and clamor for lower taxes (pushing the burden they help worse off on the rest of the country.)