So many people on slashdot, home of "the creator should be compensated" jizzing so hard about a bit of software being made by a group of people dedicated to ripping every creator that exists off.
So... what? Is slashdot loaded with hypocrites?
Do you ENJOY giving the RIAA and MPAA excuses to point at as reasons they need $big_bad_law that we'll have to fight again later to get knocked back?
Why is it that so many people here feel ENTITLED to the works of others for free? If you don't like how copyright has been changed, then fix it and compensate the creators fairly.
Don't give them excuses. Beat them down. But no, slashbots would rather spend their time and effort creating methods by which creators can get fucked and the powers that be can even more effectively influence legislators with bad laws.
Let me reply to myself, since most people seem to disagree with me and thus feel I must not be seen. Maybe someone will read this.
First off, Kazaa is not the tool.
Let me repeat that.
KAZAA IS NOT THE TOOL.
The tool is the internet. There are many implementations of file transfer services that use the internet (or just TCP/IP networking in general.) Most can, and do, exist entirely independent of the material served up from them (FTP, HTTP) if copyrighted works distributed without authorization vanished tomorrow, people would continue to use them.
Kazaa however (and most P2P networks,) would likely experience a significant drop in the number of users on the system. So much, I imagine they'd probably drop into disuse since other methods of transferring non-infringing works are much easier.
Bittorrent is something that would gain valid use of the Betamax ruling. As would Freenet. DeCSS should have, but we got fucked on that.
Also the knife analogy is bad because hey, I can carry a knife, but any knife over 4 inches (10cm) is illegal in my area! So we have knives that are illegal and knives that are not. Chew on that.
No, because FTP has substantial non-infringing uses.
Without sharing other people's copyrighted works FTP still has a use.
Kazaa, without other people's copyrighted works, has nothing not available elsewhere.
The tool here is the concept of file transfer between users. It has substantial non-infringing uses. Kazaa's implementation, however, does not as can be seen by a rudimentary examination of the network.
I don't see many people trading public domain documents on Kazaa.
I do see that at Project Gutenberg, and they're doing a fine job of it.
If all the works being distributed over Kazaa without authorization vanished tomorrow, Kazaa would vanish as well, since no one would have a use for it. Everything else, however, would remain.
As I said to another poster, there is nothing Kazaa does that cannot be done in other ways that do not involve other people's copyrighted material.
P2P and file transfer over networks do have substantial non-infringing uses. Kazaa itself however, does not. Just browse it and you'll see that the majority is popular media copyrighted by companies and individuals, the great majority of whom did not give permission.
Kazaa fails it. Without other people's copyrighted material it and most other major P2P networks are NOTHING. Use some other method of transfer.
All I see is whining about Steam, with every possible evil prediction tacked on Valve.
The problem here is that people like to bitch because Valve has found a solution that works to enable easy distribution direct to gamers and gives warezers a hard time.
I like how people here immediately assume the worst and do nothing but bitch. As if every company was by default evil, and will always act with evil intentions against their users.
Try upwards of 13 books now, if you look at Gunnm Complete (the original Gunnm series with the original ending discarded) and all 6 volumes (soon to be 7) of Gunnm: Last Order.
And he's nowhere near ready to end it.
Oh let's not forget the Playstation game that Kishiro had direct involvement in.
FUCK YOU VALVE! FUCK YOU AND YOUR HARD WORK! THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR TRYING TO MAKE A KICKASS GAME! FUCK YOU!
Because arrogant armchair developers always know exactly how a company spends its money and why they spent a given amount, and they always know that the price charged for a game is always TOO high.
And that it's always justification for warezing it.
Frankly it sounds like Slashdot is full of whiny bitches that don't like paying for shit, and warezers who were grumpy that they couldn't crack valve's solution to them.
I'm sure having a volatile, quickly burning, quickly dissipating gas is lots more dangerous than a huge tank of a volatile, slow burning, slowly dissipating petrochemcial.
Something tells me that it'd be a lot easier to prevent a fire with hydrogen than with gasoline (seeing as how hydrogen doesn't stick around once released.)
Well, it may be legal to download but not to upload.
So if you're downloading, you shouldn't be anyway.
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Because people are giving extremely high scores to a game whose features are barely better than the first, which in and of itself is nothing special? The only people I know of that think its so insanely fun are people who have -never- played a PC FPS or the like. I'm playing through the Halo campaign with a friend right now, and while the story is interesting, I'm not seeing anything I haven't noticed in other FPS games. Nothing special in the multiplayer either. Capture the Flag, free for all, been there done that. Sniper rifle, rocket launcher, pistol, various energy weapons... all that and more in Unreal Tournament from what, 4 years ago? Never mind vehicles, which popped up back in the Tribes days.
As someone else said, this is the Quake of the console crowd. PC gamers won't find Halo or Halo 2 spectacular by any stretch of the imagination cause they've done this BEFORE, years ago.
The way this plays, makes me wish MS had never bought out Bungie. Halo was supposed to be the end-all FPS/RTS combo, like Battlezone/Battlezone II but better. Then MS bought them and all the RTS features had to go...
The minimum expected for a PC FPS game is along the level of DooM 3 or Half-Life 2. And I guarantee you that if either of those appear on the XBOX, they'll be there in a severly diminished graphical capacity.
Yeah, the people downloading it don't want to pay shit.
No amount of "cheap" will beat free.
And I imagine they didn't need the lawyers to talk them into pursuing copyright violators, if I had shit that was getting warezed to no end I'd pursue one or two myself.
It's not yours to give out. If I catch you, you're fucked. If you don't like that, work to change the law, don't just ignore it and act all indignant and justified when you get screwed.
Don't forget that the iPod plugin for winamp is not for use by anyone that doesn't speak English.
The iPod stores all extended european/asian/other characters in Unicode and winamp cannot display it. And the winamp developers refuse to implement it.
So use something else if you use more than just English.
Which *is* a problem, as my mother found out, when you rip your CDs using their software the files cannot be moved off that computer. And so she bought a new computer.
Thank you magic gate.
So now she'll have to re-rip her entire collection again in a more open format.
Knowing how deeply the government of China truly cares for its people, I imagine it was more a case of "his house was in our target landing zone" as opposed to "we missed our target landing zone and hit his house."
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So many people on slashdot, home of "the creator should be compensated" jizzing so hard about a bit of software being made by a group of people dedicated to ripping every creator that exists off.
So... what? Is slashdot loaded with hypocrites?
Do you ENJOY giving the RIAA and MPAA excuses to point at as reasons they need $big_bad_law that we'll have to fight again later to get knocked back?
Why is it that so many people here feel ENTITLED to the works of others for free? If you don't like how copyright has been changed, then fix it and compensate the creators fairly.
Don't give them excuses. Beat them down. But no, slashbots would rather spend their time and effort creating methods by which creators can get fucked and the powers that be can even more effectively influence legislators with bad laws.
Let me reply to myself, since most people seem to disagree with me and thus feel I must not be seen. Maybe someone will read this.
First off, Kazaa is not the tool.
Let me repeat that.
KAZAA IS NOT THE TOOL.
The tool is the internet. There are many implementations of file transfer services that use the internet (or just TCP/IP networking in general.) Most can, and do, exist entirely independent of the material served up from them (FTP, HTTP) if copyrighted works distributed without authorization vanished tomorrow, people would continue to use them.
Kazaa however (and most P2P networks,) would likely experience a significant drop in the number of users on the system. So much, I imagine they'd probably drop into disuse since other methods of transferring non-infringing works are much easier.
Bittorrent is something that would gain valid use of the Betamax ruling. As would Freenet. DeCSS should have, but we got fucked on that.
Also the knife analogy is bad because hey, I can carry a knife, but any knife over 4 inches (10cm) is illegal in my area! So we have knives that are illegal and knives that are not. Chew on that.
The internet is the tool, per se, as is the concept of file transfer between two people.
Repeat after me:
Kazaa is not the tool.
No, because FTP has substantial non-infringing uses.
Without sharing other people's copyrighted works FTP still has a use.
Kazaa, without other people's copyrighted works, has nothing not available elsewhere.
The tool here is the concept of file transfer between users. It has substantial non-infringing uses. Kazaa's implementation, however, does not as can be seen by a rudimentary examination of the network.
Your rant is mostly meaningless and offtopic.
Simply put, downloading stuff off Kazaa is not making private copies of other people's stuff for your use.
Kazaa is a means by which individuals can, knowingly or not, make availalbe to others a copy of a work that they do not have the right to do so.
They do when it's in the public domain.
I don't see what's so hard to understand about this.
I don't see many people trading public domain documents on Kazaa.
I do see that at Project Gutenberg, and they're doing a fine job of it.
If all the works being distributed over Kazaa without authorization vanished tomorrow, Kazaa would vanish as well, since no one would have a use for it. Everything else, however, would remain.
As I said to another poster, there is nothing Kazaa does that cannot be done in other ways that do not involve other people's copyrighted material.
P2P and file transfer over networks do have substantial non-infringing uses. Kazaa itself however, does not. Just browse it and you'll see that the majority is popular media copyrighted by companies and individuals, the great majority of whom did not give permission.
Kazaa fails it. Without other people's copyrighted material it and most other major P2P networks are NOTHING. Use some other method of transfer.
Oh but they ARE suing the users for sharing it!
And everyone at slashdot bitches when they do!
If slashdot is the physical embodiment of any concept, it would be "Cognitive Dissonance."
Sure it could, but they could also be shared other ways.
Kazaa has nothing going for it that cannot be done other way without involvement of other people's copyrighted material.
Linux ISOs - Bittorrent
Freeware/Shareware - Author's website
Old books/music - Gutenberg Project
Besides, no one's going to download your creations. What everyone wants is the popular crap. And that's what's traded on Kazaa.
Because the copies being shared cannot legally BE shared.
The betamax defense should work for DVD ripping software and DVD-Rs/PVR devices.
Kazaa does not qualify for this kind of protection.
Wah wah wah!
All I see is whining about Steam, with every possible evil prediction tacked on Valve.
The problem here is that people like to bitch because Valve has found a solution that works to enable easy distribution direct to gamers and gives warezers a hard time.
I like how people here immediately assume the worst and do nothing but bitch. As if every company was by default evil, and will always act with evil intentions against their users.
Gimme a fucking break.
Why do I get this rather annoying feeling that a rather large segment of slashdot is rooting for the warezers, as though they're doing something good?
Try upwards of 13 books now, if you look at Gunnm Complete (the original Gunnm series with the original ending discarded) and all 6 volumes (soon to be 7) of Gunnm: Last Order.
And he's nowhere near ready to end it.
Oh let's not forget the Playstation game that Kishiro had direct involvement in.
Because no matter how good a director Cameron is, there is no hope that he can capture everything in Gunnm that makes it awesome.
What will he cover, Ido discovering Gally in the Scrapyard?
Her relationship with Yugo?
Her time as an agent of Zalem?
Or MOTORBALL?
And damnit, he'll probably use the name VIZ gave to Gally (Gary?) in the early 90s when they were just getting started on it.
Yeah.
Yeah!
FUCK YOU VALVE! FUCK YOU AND YOUR HARD WORK! THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR TRYING TO MAKE A KICKASS GAME! FUCK YOU!
Because arrogant armchair developers always know exactly how a company spends its money and why they spent a given amount, and they always know that the price charged for a game is always TOO high.
And that it's always justification for warezing it.
Frankly it sounds like Slashdot is full of whiny bitches that don't like paying for shit, and warezers who were grumpy that they couldn't crack valve's solution to them.
Fuck the warez puppies. Go valve.
Trivial.
Just do a netstat. Or even easier, load it up with a program that can show you by application what IP's you're connected to. Game over.
Trust me, I use WinNY. It's by no means a safe haven.
I'm sure having a volatile, quickly burning, quickly dissipating gas is lots more dangerous than a huge tank of a volatile, slow burning, slowly dissipating petrochemcial.
Something tells me that it'd be a lot easier to prevent a fire with hydrogen than with gasoline (seeing as how hydrogen doesn't stick around once released.)
Well, it may be legal to download but not to upload.
So if you're downloading, you shouldn't be anyway.
Because people are giving extremely high scores to a game whose features are barely better than the first, which in and of itself is nothing special? The only people I know of that think its so insanely fun are people who have -never- played a PC FPS or the like. I'm playing through the Halo campaign with a friend right now, and while the story is interesting, I'm not seeing anything I haven't noticed in other FPS games. Nothing special in the multiplayer either. Capture the Flag, free for all, been there done that. Sniper rifle, rocket launcher, pistol, various energy weapons... all that and more in Unreal Tournament from what, 4 years ago? Never mind vehicles, which popped up back in the Tribes days.
As someone else said, this is the Quake of the console crowd. PC gamers won't find Halo or Halo 2 spectacular by any stretch of the imagination cause they've done this BEFORE, years ago.
The way this plays, makes me wish MS had never bought out Bungie. Halo was supposed to be the end-all FPS/RTS combo, like Battlezone/Battlezone II but better. Then MS bought them and all the RTS features had to go...
The minimum expected for a PC FPS game is along the level of DooM 3 or Half-Life 2. And I guarantee you that if either of those appear on the XBOX, they'll be there in a severly diminished graphical capacity.
Yeah, the people downloading it don't want to pay shit.
No amount of "cheap" will beat free.
And I imagine they didn't need the lawyers to talk them into pursuing copyright violators, if I had shit that was getting warezed to no end I'd pursue one or two myself.
It's not yours to give out. If I catch you, you're fucked. If you don't like that, work to change the law, don't just ignore it and act all indignant and justified when you get screwed.
Yeah, damn them for having to pay money to make their movie.
Damn them for asking money in exchange for viewing their film.
You see, it's not a matter of the method being easier, it's the matter that PEOPLE WANT SHIT FOR FREE. That's all.
Don't forget that the iPod plugin for winamp is not for use by anyone that doesn't speak English.
The iPod stores all extended european/asian/other characters in Unicode and winamp cannot display it. And the winamp developers refuse to implement it.
So use something else if you use more than just English.
Which *is* a problem, as my mother found out, when you rip your CDs using their software the files cannot be moved off that computer. And so she bought a new computer.
Thank you magic gate.
So now she'll have to re-rip her entire collection again in a more open format.
Wow, that was blindingly ignorant.
The iPod can play mp3 directly, it is not dependent on only one format (AAC).
Now maybe you're thinking of the stupid 20GB Sony Walkman, which forces you to convert everything to ATRAC3 before loading it on the device.
Knowing how deeply the government of China truly cares for its people, I imagine it was more a case of "his house was in our target landing zone" as opposed to "we missed our target landing zone and hit his house."