...but damnit they can learn if you give 'em enough time.
I'm glad to see AVEX cutting back and Sony backing off completely. Hopefully this means I'll actually be able to get some soundtracks and Do As Infinity CDs without worrying about the discs being f*cked and horribly fragile.
Maybe Pony Canyon and a few other labels in Japan will follow their lead and stop shipping this crap on their CDs.
This could be bad though... I'd have no reason to not buy more stuff from them!
At least songwriters wouldn't have to worry about subconscious plagiarism lawsuits.
No, this is a symptom that copyright needs fixing, not that it needs to be abolished.
On the other hand, how many people contribute to permissively licensed software such as the BSD operating systems and various data compression libraries such as libpng and libvorbis?
Quite a few. And this is proof that even without copyright -some- creative works would see the light of day. But consider that there's also all the GPL software, which I imagine has a non-insignificant number of contributors. All of that would be lost.
Well at least some musicians would be able to make a living from the over-21 crowd, who will pay for live performance of a musical work.
So music will only be for the over-21 crowd? What about the fools that record the live performances and sell them to people? Why should they be allowed to profit off the work of others? You know people would do that.
What I think people need is to learn some respect for the creators of works and realize that they continue to exist because they recieve money that keeps them on a stable foundation to continue. We also need to reform copyright laws to make things more fair, we need to beat the record industry execs senseless, and we need the general public to care.
No, the incentive would not dissapear, but it would be reduced significantly. Things moved at a given pace in the Rennaisance, said pace is MUCH faster now.
And yes, things would change. We wouldn't get -anything- that cost an appreciable amount of money. And while you can sell GPL software back to people, they have to include the source.
Without copyright, they can keep the source locked up. So GPL fans lose.
I'm making points against what you say. Killing copyright would do far more damage than one might think. The best course of action is reasonable balance to give people more incentive to create things that require significant investments of time and money.
You'll notice that a lot of the great works in the past were not made for free, but funded by Kings and other royalty. You'll also notice that the things that were made, were things the buyer liked.
If someone said there was no incentive to grow potatoes unless they could rip up your yard and plant some
Huh? There's incentive to grow FOOD, it's called human metabolism.
there was no incentive to say good things unless can control your speech
This is false. There is incentive to say good things without control, but there's MORE incentive to say things when there is control.
But the Renaissance happened without copyrights, so why can't the information age?
The reasoning expressed here is a fallacy, and ignores the massive changes that have occurred in the 400 or so years since the Rennaisance. First and foremost being that you could not get copies of an artists work. You could possibly have gotten moderate reproductions, but I imagine they'd have been expensive (people like to be paid for their work! Go figure!) and hard to come by.
So rather than being an equivalence relationship, copyrights are more like a form of censorship.
Once in the distant past. Copyrights are not granted to those who won't print bad things about the government. They're granted to everyone without respect to the subject.
people who copy are slandered with names such as thief and pirate
True, those aren't the right words. I prefer freeloader and warez kiddies. I have yet to meet anyone who loves downloading anything and everything instead of paying for it that doesn't fit in one of those categories.
these verbal assaults hide a cruel lie, the one that says - "copyrights benefit creative people"
Oh but it does! But as we've seen the laws need reform. This entire paragraph falls under this necessity.
and massive anti-trust behavior in the software industry
I think you mean "massively monopolistic behavior" or "increasingly trust-like behavior" since anti-trust would imply there was actually diversity keeping things shaken up.
well "how will we make money without copyrights?" Like a disingenuous thief asking "how will I feed my children without old ladies to mug?"
Oh, so now we're equating people who want to make money off the things they create with people who brutalize others and take. This makes no sense.
So say we abolish copyright. What then?
The number of creative works, good or bad, would trickle to a crawl. How many people contribute to GPL software because of the assurance provided by the license that their work won't be taken and sold back to them?
What about New Line Cinema, who put up the funding for Lord of the Rings? They'd never have put up the money if copyright wasn't available and rightly so, since all it'd take is one leak and they'd be ROYALLY FUCKED since every dvd producer and theater could show it without paying them any money.
And all authors would be fucked, since publishers would exploit a lack of copyright and never pay them. We'd be like Hong Kong, where bootleggers make it almost impossible for acts to make any money whatsoever by selling copies of cds for $1.
Until you can find a way to give people an incentive to create with the possibility that their work will be taken and sold and distributed without any compensation for them, the system will stay the same. The current system CAN be fixed, which you disagree with but I don't see why, and it needs to be but a complete abolishment of the system would do -far- more damage.
Since she uses Linux every time she goes online, I have to conclude that, if you believe Linux is unusable, you desparately need to check into computer rehab, and get some better skills.
Get off your high horse you prick.
I use computers day in and day out since 7th grade (so I'm in my 3rd year of Uni now, so what) and yes, for anyone of a reasonable level of technical proficiency, linux is unusable as a desktop because as you so nicely stated it took you TWO WEEKS to get that stuff going.
That's two weeks I have better shit to be doing.
And your grandma doesn't have any trouble cause she doesn't actually do a damn thing with it. Linux snobs seem to forget there's more than just the "propeller head linux geek" who spends all of his time fucking with his scripts and sourcecode and apt-get, and the know-nothing computer user who uses the WEB and EMAIL. I know enough to use linux, but I still don't care to suffer the time to get a basic desktop going. I'd rather have a functional desktop ready and going at least an hour or two after install, after which I can learn the OS after the install is done.
As a server it's a fine OS. But as a desktop it's still a hopeless pile. And since the Kernel team refuses to sit still with the API making drivers scarce, and a thousand different ways to do things where the "best" option is obviously to throw a billion choices at the user and hope they can or even care to make sense of it, or just pile a ton of crap on the machine and leave the user to sort through the steaming pile once it's all landed.
I've tried linux many times as a desktop, but each time I encounter something that leads me to frustration. Something that takes me 3 hours to get working, or fix cause something else broke it (like when installing OO.org on Mandrake with the rpm whatever it has, deleted the entire contents of my KDE menu, without explanation) that I just decided to go back to windows, maybe to check in at a later date when I either have the interest to screw with it again or I find a distro that, you know, just might have a clue as to what constitutes a decently useable distro package.
Yeah, I see Firewire being around in 5 years. Much faster than current designs.
USB has no peer to peer capability, and I don't see Intel adding it anyitme soon (what, and lose the heavy CPU dependence?!) which secures it for one reason you've already mentioned.
Of course, the better technology does have a habit of losing to the most heavily marketed tech (even if it's worse for many uses than the other) so who knows?
Oh no, it's your god given right to enjoy the efforts of others labors for free and without compensation because you are special and deserving of all.
If 90% is crap, don't watch it all. Let others watch it and follow the reviews. I've learned this with pretty much ALL hollywood movies, and as a result I see very few.
You don't deserve anything free except that which has been deemed free, either by the will of the creator or that which has lapsed into the public domain. And if you disagree with that, then get the law changed but until then, shove it.
Short circuiting the democratic process would be more akin to abusing those electronic voting machines.
This is broadcasting a political message in an attempt to influence voters. This is -pure- politics, and purely a part of the free, democratic process we claim to hold so dear (yet see abused every time.)
Fuck the creators. They should just give us all their work for free, cause we DESERVE and are ENTITLED to it.
The people at mirkx are just a bunch of warez monkeys whose audience is full of whiners who feel entitled to various shows without having to pay for it.
I'd not shed a tear if mirkx went down. If you want someone's work, GO BUY IT. Cheap bastards.
Except the vaudville stars would have had no way to stop them, since they had no legal basis from which to bring their opposition. Same for the actors with bad speaking voices.
On the other hand, we have industries angry that people are widely and openly violating their copyrights. They do have a legal basis.
Personally I have no sympathy for any P2P networks, they should:
1) never be centralized 2) never have users that whine when copyright holders get pissed.
I do disagree with bad laws like the DMCA and this asinine INDUCE ACT, but don't mistake sharing stuff over P2P as putting old business methods out to pasture. Their business is making games, software, movies and music, not distributing it.
After it harassing me left and right about programs connecting to the internet. Even after letting it run for a while, it never spotted a program connecting that wasn't supposed to be.
I imagine things will continue as they have. No firewall. No spyware, no trojans, no 0wn3d machines. Just proper patches and Mozilla.
So what do you do after all the manufacturing jobs are gone?
They said "Go into computers!"
So now they're ALL in computers. And now all the computer jobs are being removed.
But it's more than that. All the research is leaving. All the development. Implementation. Why keep anything that can be done outside in the country?
I like to think it of as a sort of self-lobotomization, by eliminating the intelligence and insight by firing and destroying the research base, you hinder its future growth.
So if things go at their current pace, maybe this will be true (?):
1) the US will be unable to make anything on its own 2) the US will unable to develop anything new on its own
Apple is pissed because if RealGas fucks peoples cars up, APPLE has to suffer for it. Apple doesn't know if the RealGas causes problems in the engine, and people would be stupid enough to stick it in their tanks, cause after all they have RealPumps in their furnace at home so they -have- to put it in their car of course, even though their house's cooling system is now acting funny.
So what happens when Real's changes cause battery usage to skyrocket?
If users have freedom, it doesn't matter whether their system is better or worse.
Sure it does. If it's worse, people won't use it.
And wouldn't you guess, I still use Windows rather than Linux, cause I think that Linux as a desktop evironment is worse.
And I don't exactly want to spend all my time coding up fixes for percieved holes in my desktop environment (not when it'd involve fairly detailed knowlege of whatever I was using,) nor do I like being told to do so when I find what I think could use improvement or could be a bug.
Freedom means nothing if you aren't willing to help others achieve it. The linux community, as a whole, is wandering off to freedom, planting a minefield of difficulty and hostility in their wake.
Sony has to deal with game warezing everywhere. They don't like modchips at all cause, hell, the far majority of modchip use is for playing warezed games.
And yes while mod chips are the only way to legitimately play imports, I have yet to see a mod that does -only- that, they all seem focused on letting people play "backups."
"backups" "backups" "backups"-- my ass. It's all about the warez.
You can bypass the region lockout with a pair of wires, soldering iron, and a toggle switch, or a bootdisc. I see no reason this would fall under the regulation.
Unless you intended on playing copied games for some reason, in which case you're on your own.
Slashdot Mirror
Thankfully, innuendo is all the same.
And, of course, this is all completely valid justification for warezing it.
</sarcasm>
Check this out.
Huge auctions like these are futile, rarely would anyone ever put up that much money all at once for a gigantic collection.
Parting these things out into sets would probably work better (and hell, I'd go after a few if I could.)
...but damnit they can learn if you give 'em enough time.
I'm glad to see AVEX cutting back and Sony backing off completely. Hopefully this means I'll actually be able to get some soundtracks and Do As Infinity CDs without worrying about the discs being f*cked and horribly fragile.
Maybe Pony Canyon and a few other labels in Japan will follow their lead and stop shipping this crap on their CDs.
This could be bad though... I'd have no reason to not buy more stuff from them!
At least songwriters wouldn't have to worry about subconscious plagiarism lawsuits.
No, this is a symptom that copyright needs fixing, not that it needs to be abolished.
On the other hand, how many people contribute to permissively licensed software such as the BSD operating systems and various data compression libraries such as libpng and libvorbis?
Quite a few. And this is proof that even without copyright -some- creative works would see the light of day. But consider that there's also all the GPL software, which I imagine has a non-insignificant number of contributors. All of that would be lost.
Well at least some musicians would be able to make a living from the over-21 crowd, who will pay for live performance of a musical work.
So music will only be for the over-21 crowd? What about the fools that record the live performances and sell them to people? Why should they be allowed to profit off the work of others? You know people would do that.
What I think people need is to learn some respect for the creators of works and realize that they continue to exist because they recieve money that keeps them on a stable foundation to continue. We also need to reform copyright laws to make things more fair, we need to beat the record industry execs senseless, and we need the general public to care.
No, the incentive would not dissapear, but it would be reduced significantly. Things moved at a given pace in the Rennaisance, said pace is MUCH faster now.
And yes, things would change. We wouldn't get -anything- that cost an appreciable amount of money. And while you can sell GPL software back to people, they have to include the source.
Without copyright, they can keep the source locked up. So GPL fans lose.
I'm making points against what you say. Killing copyright would do far more damage than one might think. The best course of action is reasonable balance to give people more incentive to create things that require significant investments of time and money.
You'll notice that a lot of the great works in the past were not made for free, but funded by Kings and other royalty. You'll also notice that the things that were made, were things the buyer liked.
If someone said there was no incentive to grow potatoes unless they could rip up your yard and plant some
Huh? There's incentive to grow FOOD, it's called human metabolism.
there was no incentive to say good things unless can control your speech
This is false. There is incentive to say good things without control, but there's MORE incentive to say things when there is control.
But the Renaissance happened without copyrights, so why can't the information age?
The reasoning expressed here is a fallacy, and ignores the massive changes that have occurred in the 400 or so years since the Rennaisance. First and foremost being that you could not get copies of an artists work. You could possibly have gotten moderate reproductions, but I imagine they'd have been expensive (people like to be paid for their work! Go figure!) and hard to come by.
So rather than being an equivalence relationship, copyrights are more like a form of censorship.
Once in the distant past. Copyrights are not granted to those who won't print bad things about the government. They're granted to everyone without respect to the subject.
people who copy are slandered with names such as thief and pirate
True, those aren't the right words. I prefer freeloader and warez kiddies. I have yet to meet anyone who loves downloading anything and everything instead of paying for it that doesn't fit in one of those categories.
these verbal assaults hide a cruel lie, the one that says - "copyrights benefit creative people"
Oh but it does! But as we've seen the laws need reform. This entire paragraph falls under this necessity.
and massive anti-trust behavior in the software industry
I think you mean "massively monopolistic behavior" or "increasingly trust-like behavior" since anti-trust would imply there was actually diversity keeping things shaken up.
well "how will we make money without copyrights?" Like a disingenuous thief asking "how will I feed my children without old ladies to mug?"
Oh, so now we're equating people who want to make money off the things they create with people who brutalize others and take. This makes no sense.
So say we abolish copyright. What then?
The number of creative works, good or bad, would trickle to a crawl. How many people contribute to GPL software because of the assurance provided by the license that their work won't be taken and sold back to them?
What about New Line Cinema, who put up the funding for Lord of the Rings? They'd never have put up the money if copyright wasn't available and rightly so, since all it'd take is one leak and they'd be ROYALLY FUCKED since every dvd producer and theater could show it without paying them any money.
And all authors would be fucked, since publishers would exploit a lack of copyright and never pay them. We'd be like Hong Kong, where bootleggers make it almost impossible for acts to make any money whatsoever by selling copies of cds for $1.
Until you can find a way to give people an incentive to create with the possibility that their work will be taken and sold and distributed without any compensation for them, the system will stay the same. The current system CAN be fixed, which you disagree with but I don't see why, and it needs to be but a complete abolishment of the system would do -far- more damage.
Since she uses Linux every time she goes online, I have to conclude that, if you believe Linux is unusable, you desparately need to check into computer rehab, and get some better skills.
Get off your high horse you prick.
I use computers day in and day out since 7th grade (so I'm in my 3rd year of Uni now, so what) and yes, for anyone of a reasonable level of technical proficiency, linux is unusable as a desktop because as you so nicely stated it took you TWO WEEKS to get that stuff going.
That's two weeks I have better shit to be doing.
And your grandma doesn't have any trouble cause she doesn't actually do a damn thing with it. Linux snobs seem to forget there's more than just the "propeller head linux geek" who spends all of his time fucking with his scripts and sourcecode and apt-get, and the know-nothing computer user who uses the WEB and EMAIL. I know enough to use linux, but I still don't care to suffer the time to get a basic desktop going. I'd rather have a functional desktop ready and going at least an hour or two after install, after which I can learn the OS after the install is done.
As a server it's a fine OS. But as a desktop it's still a hopeless pile. And since the Kernel team refuses to sit still with the API making drivers scarce, and a thousand different ways to do things where the "best" option is obviously to throw a billion choices at the user and hope they can or even care to make sense of it, or just pile a ton of crap on the machine and leave the user to sort through the steaming pile once it's all landed.
I've tried linux many times as a desktop, but each time I encounter something that leads me to frustration. Something that takes me 3 hours to get working, or fix cause something else broke it (like when installing OO.org on Mandrake with the rpm whatever it has, deleted the entire contents of my KDE menu, without explanation) that I just decided to go back to windows, maybe to check in at a later date when I either have the interest to screw with it again or I find a distro that, you know, just might have a clue as to what constitutes a decently useable distro package.
Flame away... tuning out.
Yeah, I see Firewire being around in 5 years. Much faster than current designs.
USB has no peer to peer capability, and I don't see Intel adding it anyitme soon (what, and lose the heavy CPU dependence?!) which secures it for one reason you've already mentioned.
Of course, the better technology does have a habit of losing to the most heavily marketed tech (even if it's worse for many uses than the other) so who knows?
Oh no, it's your god given right to enjoy the efforts of others labors for free and without compensation because you are special and deserving of all.
If 90% is crap, don't watch it all. Let others watch it and follow the reviews. I've learned this with pretty much ALL hollywood movies, and as a result I see very few.
You don't deserve anything free except that which has been deemed free, either by the will of the creator or that which has lapsed into the public domain. And if you disagree with that, then get the law changed but until then, shove it.
Troll meat!
Short circuiting the democratic process would be more akin to abusing those electronic voting machines.
This is broadcasting a political message in an attempt to influence voters. This is -pure- politics, and purely a part of the free, democratic process we claim to hold so dear (yet see abused every time.)
YAY FOR COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS.
Fuck the creators. They should just give us all their work for free, cause we DESERVE and are ENTITLED to it.
The people at mirkx are just a bunch of warez monkeys whose audience is full of whiners who feel entitled to various shows without having to pay for it.
I'd not shed a tear if mirkx went down. If you want someone's work, GO BUY IT. Cheap bastards.
Clue: They're not paying to lose flexibility.
They're paying for a device that they thinks works better that simply does not include flexibility they don't need.
Copyright also benefits all those independent musicians, web comic artists, and other individuals who produce creative works.
Including your dearly beloved GPL, which would be -moot- without it.
The laws need to be revised, not removed. If they were removed the number of creative works being produced would shrink to a trickle.
And as someone else said, All those other more utilitarian vehicles have additional requirements that must be met by the driver.
They're also designed to work in unison with smaller cars.
Hummers are meant for off road military use. Excursions are just gluttony, and Suburbans are just a smaller form of the same.
HOSERS HOBBLE HUBBLE!
:)
Would be an appropriate headline for the newspapers, I think
Except the vaudville stars would have had no way to stop them, since they had no legal basis from which to bring their opposition. Same for the actors with bad speaking voices.
On the other hand, we have industries angry that people are widely and openly violating their copyrights. They do have a legal basis.
Personally I have no sympathy for any P2P networks, they should:
1) never be centralized
2) never have users that whine when copyright holders get pissed.
I do disagree with bad laws like the DMCA and this asinine INDUCE ACT, but don't mistake sharing stuff over P2P as putting old business methods out to pasture. Their business is making games, software, movies and music, not distributing it.
After it harassing me left and right about programs connecting to the internet. Even after letting it run for a while, it never spotted a program connecting that wasn't supposed to be.
I imagine things will continue as they have. No firewall. No spyware, no trojans, no 0wn3d machines. Just proper patches and Mozilla.
So what do you do after all the manufacturing jobs are gone?
They said "Go into computers!"
So now they're ALL in computers. And now all the computer jobs are being removed.
But it's more than that. All the research is leaving. All the development. Implementation. Why keep anything that can be done outside in the country?
I like to think it of as a sort of self-lobotomization, by eliminating the intelligence and insight by firing and destroying the research base, you hinder its future growth.
So if things go at their current pace, maybe this will be true (?):
1) the US will be unable to make anything on its own
2) the US will unable to develop anything new on its own
We can't deal with it when companies can shift jobs freely from one country to another, but we can't hope to possibly compete for them.
We can't live on an equivalent salary.
We can't move to India (you think it's easy? You think they'll let you come and take 'their jobs'?)
We can't do anything when our own government is encouraging companies to fire us and giving them tax breaks to send jobs elsewhere.
You'd think the administration had vested interests in the profits of some companies.
Except to continue this analogy:
Apple is pissed because if RealGas fucks peoples cars up, APPLE has to suffer for it. Apple doesn't know if the RealGas causes problems in the engine, and people would be stupid enough to stick it in their tanks, cause after all they have RealPumps in their furnace at home so they -have- to put it in their car of course, even though their house's cooling system is now acting funny.
So what happens when Real's changes cause battery usage to skyrocket?
If users have freedom, it doesn't matter whether their system is better or worse.
Sure it does. If it's worse, people won't use it.
And wouldn't you guess, I still use Windows rather than Linux, cause I think that Linux as a desktop evironment is worse.
And I don't exactly want to spend all my time coding up fixes for percieved holes in my desktop environment (not when it'd involve fairly detailed knowlege of whatever I was using,) nor do I like being told to do so when I find what I think could use improvement or could be a bug.
Freedom means nothing if you aren't willing to help others achieve it. The linux community, as a whole, is wandering off to freedom, planting a minefield of difficulty and hostility in their wake.
Sony has to deal with game warezing everywhere. They don't like modchips at all cause, hell, the far majority of modchip use is for playing warezed games.
And yes while mod chips are the only way to legitimately play imports, I have yet to see a mod that does -only- that, they all seem focused on letting people play "backups."
"backups" "backups" "backups"-- my ass. It's all about the warez.
There are no GC modchips.
You can bypass the region lockout with a pair of wires, soldering iron, and a toggle switch, or a bootdisc. I see no reason this would fall under the regulation.
Unless you intended on playing copied games for some reason, in which case you're on your own.