As far as stability, Illustrator is god-awful. There are designers at my ad agency that can't even start the program on their Dual 2.5 G5's. I will agree that in most respects, Adobe products are relatively consistent (though some of the power user features are glaringly inconsistent, and you can't even use command+H to hide Adobe software on OSX).
Didn't CBS just say last week that they wouldn't be running politically-charged ads during the game? They turned down an anti-Bush ad and a PeTA ad, I think. Doesn't this qualify as a political statement as well? I'm an Apple user (not a Pepsi drinker) so I don't necessarily mind them allowing this, but it seems like CBS might be picking and choosing what they find politically insensitive...
On Ghost Recon for Mac, the Minimum Reqirements were above my 5-year old Mac's hardware specs. But it still runs like a champ, on the highest settings (or near-highest, can't remember). Soldier of Fortune 2 is a complete waste of time (10fps), even set to lowest settings across the board. And it has Minimum Reqs LOWER than Ghost Recon (if I remember correctly).
I think it has more to do with the intelligence of the coding team than anything. That's why I hold out faith that the MinReqs might be believable, considering it's Carmack...
I respectfully disagree (and we use Ill at work). Freehand has always had better RIP times, multiple pages, direct import to Flash, agreeable compatibility with Photoshop, better gradient and transparency printing, and with MX, smooth on-screen vectors, and effects that can be "switched" on and off for experimenting. Plus Ill 10 is dog-slow. My 2 pennies.
We just cancelled our subscription because people in our building would steal them, watch them, and return them. So we switched the mailing address to one of our workplaces and again, people in the mailroom would steal them, watch them, and return them.
If NetFlix would do something as simple as sending them in a nondescript brown wrapper (insert p0rn joke here) instead of the garish attention-getting bright red, it might make a lot of difference, theftwise.
But their business model is based on maximizing the profit by stretching the time between rentals. Since you have to wait a few days before you can declare something lost, it's time that you could have watched, returned, and been in the process of getting your next movie. So NetFlix gets paid whether you recieve your movie or not. Screw 'em.
Maybe, but they are attempting it THIS WEEK, so they can get it through before anyone notices. And lest we forget, it's a Republican Congress...
From the article:
Republicans may seek to move on the proposal this week by trying to attaching it to another antiterrorism bill that would make it easier for the government to use secret surveillance warrants against "lone wolf" terrorism suspects.
I tend to disagree when you say "the old blokes are probably running 5 or 4." I know people still using 3.x every day. Maybe they're only teaching InDesign at your school, but right now most of the industry is Quark 4 and 5. How quickly that changes, we'll see when 6 is released.
While I agree that many people want to use InDesign (I have it and use it) the bottom line is that print and publishing are extremely slow-moving beasts. Quark users have spent a hell of a lot on XTensions and pre-press apps that don't have counterparts in InDesign. And InDesign still needs another release or two before it can really be considered an equal to Quark, as far as printshop integration and marketshare.
I have to believe that when Quark comes out (and I agree they're a$$holes for waiting this long), that's when a lot of companies will start to upgrade to OSX.
And that's when we can really judge Adobe's commitment to Mac, IMHO.
I know this is article is just for video, but the fact that they include Illustrator and Photoshop is definitely disconcerting for all designers. There are millions of dollars spent on Mac hardware/software/fonts that aren't interchangeable with PC versions.
Seems like a stupid thing to advertise, given that Quark 6 is alpha and the new IBM chips are on the way. There are going to be tons of new Mac upgrades coming very soon.
I wonder if this is a move to get Apple's ass in gear as far as OS speed increases?
If Sony, MS, and Nintendo start making new consoles every two years they will alienate a lot of people.
Hell yeah. I got a PS2 when it first came out. If another one drops this year or next, there's no way I'm buying it. $300 (or close when it first came out) is a hell of a lot of money to drop every 2 years, especially in this economy. It's not like the DVD player will be out of date, and I can always play existing PS1/PS2 games.
Sorry, I had to add one more thing as I follow this intriguing discussion.
Hardcore UNIX users are way, way down the list. Somewhere after professional audio and film/video production (Shake, Final Cut Pro/Express, Logic) and bioscience (BLAST).
I'm not sure where you obtained your marketing figures, but you're wrong. Actually, I'll let Apple's website refute your argument for me (from this link's FIRST PARAGRAPH):
And whether you're a Mac user who's upgrading, a Windows user who's looking at switching to the Mac or a UNIX user who loves the idea of using key applications like Microsoft Office on top of a state-of-the art BSD UNIX implementation, this is the OS for you.
That's along with links to Darwin and professional-grade developer tools further down on the main page. I'd say Apple considers all three equally important (as they should).
And *what* gave you the idea that Mac doesn't want the audio and film/video audience?? How can you even mention Final Cut Pro/Express and then claim they don't want that audience? Do you ever read the Pro Page, where they regularly do spotlights on artists in the fields you just dismissed as unimportant?
As a longtime Mac user, I have to agree with drsmithy, you are one of those people that give Apple users a bad name, because you CANNOT digress from what you see as "The Apple Way," whether or not that actually *is* The Apple Way. OSX is very much a work-in-progress, and they've never claimed it was a finished product (or there would be no reason for updates).
And this reinforces the original argument, that just because YOU haven't discovered something, doesn't make it useless. You're so caught up in trying to show off your complete comprehension of shortcuts and hidden features (which we already know) that you're missing the key point: None of those features addresses a basic user need, which tabs has (thus far) done the best job of fulfilling.
Ok, I can see we're never going to agree (which is fine), but I'll make one last comment set:
Quick! Which one of those tabs refers to the NSTextField documentation page, which one refers to the NSTableView page, and which one refers to NSToolbarItem?
I wouldn't know (beyond saying "One of the 3 NST pages, obviously"), but I'd assume you do since you're the one who made the tabs.
The point of tabs is to show you all the window titles at once.
Truthfully, I think of tabs as "hints" to the different sites you're visiting, not a means to read page titles. So I don't agree on your point.
You're missing the whole point of this discussion. You're arguing that you can do things with tabs. That's fine and good, but it's not the point.
Sure it is! The point of the discussion as I see it is that you don't think tabs serve any useful function. I'm saying they don't hinder YOU if YOU don't use them. No one MAKES you use them, but they've quickly become a nice little convenience (and one that's in high demand) for people who do. They HELP me when I'm surfing 5 different websites and want to control clutter. IMHO, it's more of a compromise NOT to include them, and others agree. I won't use Safari until they're included.
PS- My girlfriend is the antithesis of a "power user," and she'd rather use the tabs on Chimera or Mozilla than Safari or IE's non-tab GUI.
Wow, I couldn't disagree with you more, my friend.
Depending on window size, you can only fit between four and eight tabs across the window before they have to be truncated. If you can't read the titles, the advantage of tabs evaporates.
If I understand correctly, you assume that people have absolutely no short-term memory to figure out what pages they've visited. If they understand the tab concept and they're using it, they're also well aware of which pages they've visited, and in roughly what order they opened new tabs. You're telling me this tab I'm reading Slashdot in loses all benefit because the title of the tab only reads "Chimera Developer Consid..." instead of "Chimera Developer Considers Dropping It"?? That's ludicrous.
On the other hand, it prevents you from looking at two pages side-by-side without jumping through hoops.
What hoops? I open another window without opening a new tab, and put them next to each other. Am I missing something?
I'm not saying they're perfect (I don't like Chimera's use of History as a tab-based object, it seems to work better in Mozilla) but they do add tons more options for the power-user without getting in the way of lesser users.
That's true, but I heard that among the animators at Disney, Miyazaki is considered a god. I'm sure they had some kind of internal PR campaign to push this movie, and the fact that it outranks "Titanic" in ticket sales in Japan helps the suits go along...
AWESOME movie BTW, go see it in the theatre if you can or buy the DVD when it comes out. I loved it, my girlfriend loved it, and some other non-anime type people we dragged along loved it too. So much more intelligent than anything Disney has come up with themselves.
No actually I know what I'm talking about, thanks.
Her high school is on a 5.0 scale (which means honor and Advanced Placement classes are rated on a 5.0 scale, and "regular" classes are on a 4.0 scale). She's gotten damn near straight A's while taking as many AP and honor classes as possible, but "regular" classes pull down her GPA into the 4's.
All that while she talks and chews gum at the same time. Not bad for a girl.
Jesus, were you EVER a teenager? Did you EVER use slang that old people didn't approve of? Who the fuck cares how many times she says "like" in the interview or how she talks?
My sister is in high school, talks EXACTLY like this girl, and has a 4.79 GPA. Just because the interviewer decided to keep all the slang and "likes" and "uhhs" in the transcription doesn't mean the American School System Is Going To Shit. It only means this girl hasn't taken her Public Speaking course yet. She seems pretty intelligent, mature, and courteous to her international detractors for a 15-year-old.
Besides, do you think maybe, possibly, the interviewer transcribed it that way for **effect**? It was done this way so people like you could look at it, shake your head gravely, and make some witty remark on Slashdot about That Stoner Chick.
Take the stick out of your Anonymous Coward ass and quit looking down your nose at someone none of us have met.
It's not a competing product. It's a hack of a free, less full-featured Apple product that gives the same functionality as a more expensive Apple product. Like hacking Photoshop LE to give it the same functions as Photoshop 7.
How is the free markets supposed to work if you cannot sell a competing product with the same functionality at a reduced price?
Apple had a right to profit from it's own product line, while giving away a lesser version free. Their plan is that it would spark interest in the not-free version for people who need more features. I'd say that's how the free market works.
My girlfirend works for a major ad agency, but they would only hire her as an intern, even though she has a Masters degree and lots of previous experience. She's getting paid less than her first job out of college (which was barely McDonald's level), has to travel cross-country on weekends without compensation, and regularly works until midnight with no overtime.
And she hasn't quit because it's the only thing available. In fact, she doesn't even know if she'll be employed when the internship's over in a month.
Suddenly unions don't sound like such a crazy idea...
I have heard it said that the Star Wars films haave yet to show a profit
LITERALLY, lives are at stake here, people! Go buy Episode 2 on DVD before George's kids starve to death! (But don't buy too many DVDs, see it in the theatre 3 or 4 times first.)
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As far as stability, Illustrator is god-awful. There are designers at my ad agency that can't even start the program on their Dual 2.5 G5's. I will agree that in most respects, Adobe products are relatively consistent (though some of the power user features are glaringly inconsistent, and you can't even use command+H to hide Adobe software on OSX).
I think this hardly qualifies as a "better product", especially since color iPods came out yesterday.
And even then, my 40GB iPod in LCD gray is still going to get the job done perfectly for the next couple years.
Not all Apple users are hyper-emotional blind-consumer twits (not that you implied that, but other posters did).
Didn't CBS just say last week that they wouldn't be running politically-charged ads during the game? They turned down an anti-Bush ad and a PeTA ad, I think. Doesn't this qualify as a political statement as well? I'm an Apple user (not a Pepsi drinker) so I don't necessarily mind them allowing this, but it seems like CBS might be picking and choosing what they find politically insensitive...
Also:
Tony Hawk 4
Tom Clancy Ghost Recon
Aliens Vs Predator 2
Soldier Of Fortune 2
NOLF 2
Tiger Woods 2003
Bloodrayne
and coming soon:
Halo
Splinter Cell
Doom 3
Not always!
On Ghost Recon for Mac, the Minimum Reqirements were above my 5-year old Mac's hardware specs. But it still runs like a champ, on the highest settings (or near-highest, can't remember). Soldier of Fortune 2 is a complete waste of time (10fps), even set to lowest settings across the board. And it has Minimum Reqs LOWER than Ghost Recon (if I remember correctly).
I think it has more to do with the intelligence of the coding team than anything. That's why I hold out faith that the MinReqs might be believable, considering it's Carmack...
We just cancelled our subscription because people in our building would steal them, watch them, and return them. So we switched the mailing address to one of our workplaces and again, people in the mailroom would steal them, watch them, and return them.
If NetFlix would do something as simple as sending them in a nondescript brown wrapper (insert p0rn joke here) instead of the garish attention-getting bright red, it might make a lot of difference, theftwise.
But their business model is based on maximizing the profit by stretching the time between rentals. Since you have to wait a few days before you can declare something lost, it's time that you could have watched, returned, and been in the process of getting your next movie. So NetFlix gets paid whether you recieve your movie or not. Screw 'em.
From the article:
That doesn't mean they're wrong.
Can you give us an example of a conservative paper that would invalidate these two as reporting false information?
I tend to disagree when you say "the old blokes are probably running 5 or 4." I know people still using 3.x every day. Maybe they're only teaching InDesign at your school, but right now most of the industry is Quark 4 and 5. How quickly that changes, we'll see when 6 is released.
While I agree that many people want to use InDesign (I have it and use it) the bottom line is that print and publishing are extremely slow-moving beasts. Quark users have spent a hell of a lot on XTensions and pre-press apps that don't have counterparts in InDesign. And InDesign still needs another release or two before it can really be considered an equal to Quark, as far as printshop integration and marketshare.
I have to believe that when Quark comes out (and I agree they're a$$holes for waiting this long), that's when a lot of companies will start to upgrade to OSX.
And that's when we can really judge Adobe's commitment to Mac, IMHO.
I know this is article is just for video, but the fact that they include Illustrator and Photoshop is definitely disconcerting for all designers. There are millions of dollars spent on Mac hardware/software/fonts that aren't interchangeable with PC versions.
Seems like a stupid thing to advertise, given that Quark 6 is alpha and the new IBM chips are on the way. There are going to be tons of new Mac upgrades coming very soon.
I wonder if this is a move to get Apple's ass in gear as far as OS speed increases?
Sure it's possible. The RIAA has been sued and lost before: Just recently they lost a case for CD price fixing.
But that really had nothing to do with why CD sales are down. Sales are down because of lecherous teenagers.
Hardcore UNIX users are way, way down the list. Somewhere after professional audio and film/video production (Shake, Final Cut Pro/Express, Logic) and bioscience (BLAST).
I'm not sure where you obtained your marketing figures, but you're wrong. Actually, I'll let Apple's website refute your argument for me (from this link's FIRST PARAGRAPH): That's along with links to Darwin and professional-grade developer tools further down on the main page. I'd say Apple considers all three equally important (as they should).
And *what* gave you the idea that Mac doesn't want the audio and film/video audience?? How can you even mention Final Cut Pro/Express and then claim they don't want that audience? Do you ever read the Pro Page, where they regularly do spotlights on artists in the fields you just dismissed as unimportant?
As a longtime Mac user, I have to agree with drsmithy, you are one of those people that give Apple users a bad name, because you CANNOT digress from what you see as "The Apple Way," whether or not that actually *is* The Apple Way. OSX is very much a work-in-progress, and they've never claimed it was a finished product (or there would be no reason for updates).
And this reinforces the original argument, that just because YOU haven't discovered something, doesn't make it useless. You're so caught up in trying to show off your complete comprehension of shortcuts and hidden features (which we already know) that you're missing the key point: None of those features addresses a basic user need, which tabs has (thus far) done the best job of fulfilling.
Ok, I can see we're never going to agree (which is fine), but I'll make one last comment set:
Quick! Which one of those tabs refers to the NSTextField documentation page, which one refers to the NSTableView page, and which one refers to NSToolbarItem?
I wouldn't know (beyond saying "One of the 3 NST pages, obviously"), but I'd assume you do since you're the one who made the tabs.
The point of tabs is to show you all the window titles at once.
Truthfully, I think of tabs as "hints" to the different sites you're visiting, not a means to read page titles. So I don't agree on your point.
You're missing the whole point of this discussion. You're arguing that you can do things with tabs. That's fine and good, but it's not the point.
Sure it is! The point of the discussion as I see it is that you don't think tabs serve any useful function. I'm saying they don't hinder YOU if YOU don't use them. No one MAKES you use them, but they've quickly become a nice little convenience (and one that's in high demand) for people who do. They HELP me when I'm surfing 5 different websites and want to control clutter. IMHO, it's more of a compromise NOT to include them, and others agree. I won't use Safari until they're included.
PS- My girlfriend is the antithesis of a "power user," and she'd rather use the tabs on Chimera or Mozilla than Safari or IE's non-tab GUI.
Wow, I couldn't disagree with you more, my friend.
Depending on window size, you can only fit between four and eight tabs across the window before they have to be truncated. If you can't read the titles, the advantage of tabs evaporates.
If I understand correctly, you assume that people have absolutely no short-term memory to figure out what pages they've visited. If they understand the tab concept and they're using it, they're also well aware of which pages they've visited, and in roughly what order they opened new tabs. You're telling me this tab I'm reading Slashdot in loses all benefit because the title of the tab only reads "Chimera Developer Consid..." instead of "Chimera Developer Considers Dropping It"?? That's ludicrous.
On the other hand, it prevents you from looking at two pages side-by-side without jumping through hoops.
What hoops? I open another window without opening a new tab, and put them next to each other. Am I missing something?
I'm not saying they're perfect (I don't like Chimera's use of History as a tab-based object, it seems to work better in Mozilla) but they do add tons more options for the power-user without getting in the way of lesser users.
That's true, but I heard that among the animators at Disney, Miyazaki is considered a god. I'm sure they had some kind of internal PR campaign to push this movie, and the fact that it outranks "Titanic" in ticket sales in Japan helps the suits go along...
AWESOME movie BTW, go see it in the theatre if you can or buy the DVD when it comes out. I loved it, my girlfriend loved it, and some other non-anime type people we dragged along loved it too. So much more intelligent than anything Disney has come up with themselves.
...and you're talking about HEIDI FLIESS, the Hollywood Madame.
Yeah, you got a 4.0
No actually I know what I'm talking about, thanks.
Her high school is on a 5.0 scale (which means honor and Advanced Placement classes are rated on a 5.0 scale, and "regular" classes are on a 4.0 scale). She's gotten damn near straight A's while taking as many AP and honor classes as possible, but "regular" classes pull down her GPA into the 4's.
All that while she talks and chews gum at the same time. Not bad for a girl.
Jesus, were you EVER a teenager? Did you EVER use slang that old people didn't approve of? Who the fuck cares how many times she says "like" in the interview or how she talks?
My sister is in high school, talks EXACTLY like this girl, and has a 4.79 GPA. Just because the interviewer decided to keep all the slang and "likes" and "uhhs" in the transcription doesn't mean the American School System Is Going To Shit. It only means this girl hasn't taken her Public Speaking course yet. She seems pretty intelligent, mature, and courteous to her international detractors for a 15-year-old.
Besides, do you think maybe, possibly, the interviewer transcribed it that way for **effect**? It was done this way so people like you could look at it, shake your head gravely, and make some witty remark on Slashdot about That Stoner Chick.
Take the stick out of your Anonymous Coward ass and quit looking down your nose at someone none of us have met.
Apple had a right to profit from it's own product line, while giving away a lesser version free. Their plan is that it would spark interest in the not-free version for people who need more features. I'd say that's how the free market works.
I know you're not ripping on Mac, but:
WC3 for Mac
"With Warcraft III, we are doing our first simultaneous shipment for Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, and Windows on the same CD."
Plus the Mac version has a World Editor
Very true, very well put.
My girlfirend works for a major ad agency, but they would only hire her as an intern, even though she has a Masters degree and lots of previous experience. She's getting paid less than her first job out of college (which was barely McDonald's level), has to travel cross-country on weekends without compensation, and regularly works until midnight with no overtime.
And she hasn't quit because it's the only thing available. In fact, she doesn't even know if she'll be employed when the internship's over in a month.
Suddenly unions don't sound like such a crazy idea...
I have heard it said that the Star Wars films haave yet to show a profit LITERALLY, lives are at stake here, people! Go buy Episode 2 on DVD before George's kids starve to death! (But don't buy too many DVDs, see it in the theatre 3 or 4 times first.)
This has to be the first anticipatory slashdotting
Don't you need permission from Congress for an action like that?