First, forget the internet. The problems lie in the fact that parent's these days are just too damn lazy and/or stupid to pay attention to their kids. I play Unreal a lot and don't feel like going out and killing people. The other problems? Well, it would be nice if the education systems in this country concentrated on boosting the self-esteem of kids. It seems everyone is hung up on sports (hey, many kids just aren't athletically talented!) or something else. PAY ATTENTION TO THE DAMN KIDS!!!! Even our president doesn't get it. He's allocated billions of dollars today so that schools can hire armed guards. That's about as effective as building more prisons to fight crime. It ignores the underlying problems!! Next? The NRA. I don't give ashit what anyone says, this "organization" needs to go. They control the Congress with it's radical agenda. Take a LOOK at gun violence in this country! Open your f**king eyes, people! We have an epidemic! Countries like Japan and England have VERY strict gun laws. You better not be caught with one or you're in deep doo-doo. Most countries (smart ones...) realize that it's citizens do not need to be armed. The Constitution needs to eliminate this antiquated amendment. And look who's heading up the NRA! That stupid old fool, Charlton Heston. This bozo said if the school had an armed guard, there wouldn't have beem a problem. I would like to have seen his face when he was informed that there were, in fact , two. Great solution, assh*le. Anyway, my point is that we are going to hell in a handbasket. The rest of the world looks at us in absolute disbelief. Can you blame them? We are an advanced society? yeah.... right. It's the constant sensationalism these cases generate. The ease of gun access. The trash that exists in this country. The lack of understanding and intelligence in the education systems. Etc. The quality is going down and the kids are being taken down with it. No one is adressing the problem of growing anger and conscience-less kids growing up in the US. God help us all..... End of rant.....
Why? What the hell do we need another chat progrma for? ICQ, AIM, AOL, IRC....... What's the point? Try finishing this browser that was supposed to appear a while ago instead of more chat software...
4-way is NT's sweet spot. Linux has not yet been tuned to take full advantage of 4 CPUs. On single and dual, Linux will spank an NT box. But higher end configs have yet to be optimized for Linux. Even Linus admits that. (He said so at the AIIM conference last week).
Give me a break. They didn't go "out of their way" to make the Linux box look bad. They simply should've made sure to have a well-set up server. Another fact is that NT DOES beat up on Linux in 4-way systems. It's just another thing Linux needs to catch up on. But give the conspiracy theories a rest already.... And get back to class....
Here's to Guy and John for doing an incredible job of carrying the Mac torch for many years. I enjoyed being a member of list. But, yes, our "beleagured" Apple is now KICKING ASS. And, no, Slashdot WILLNOT SURPASS the EvangeList in RC5. You r puny machines just can't keep up.....;-)
....if he was at one of these conferences and the audience just started laughing hysterically at his blatant stupidity/FUD? Just imagine....((insert dreamy music here)) Billy: "Linux is unstable, and will never have an impact on the market!" Audience: BWWAAAAAAAAAAAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! (continues for about 5 minutes) Billy: "What?? WHAT???" (looking stupid...)
GOOD!!! TOO MANY DAMN PEOPLE!!!
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Relax, junior. CAn't take much sarcasm and dark humor, huh? Besides, you obvioulsy missed the part about getting rid of all the trash (i.e. white trash) and placing them in ground zero. You did make me remember one other point. Wouldn't it be great to see it hit France??????? And, btw, I bike quite a lot and do my fair share of pollution prevention and cleanup.....
GOOD!!! TOO MANY DAMN PEOPLE!!!
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Too bad this thing isn't hitting now. Let's hope it smacks SE Asia or India. Too many people and, damn, do they pollute.... Then again, maybe we can line up all the trash in this country and have them wait in that special place! We need something to wipe out half the people on this planet. We're doomed one way or another. A plague or other disaster would do the world a lot of good.
That's probably the DUMBEST reason I have ever heard NOT to buy a particular computer. I feel sorry for those who buy their computer because of the logo on the outside....
For one, it takes a LOT of money for a small company to "got out and test SMP systems themselves." Second, you guys would bitch if you didn't like the results, basically because it appears any criticism of Linux is heresy. Benchmarks like TPC-C and SPECweb96 are established industry benchmarks. They are developed by a consortium of vendors over a period of YEARS. This takes a lot of money and a lot of work. You want benchmarks? Then why don't you whining babies download some benchmarks toolkits (I believe you can get your hands on the code for SPECweb96, etc.) and have someone maintain a credible depository for these results. Once you guys can demonstrate real world performance, it will be easier to match up against the bigger guns. Then you can brag a little more. I am sure Tony Iams' panel discussion with Linus is going to be great. Tony is incredibly knowledgeable when it comes to operating systems (believe me, he tests them all extensively over and over again right in his office). I think they still have an AS/400 vs. NT report where he SLAMMED NT's capabilities. Funny thing is, M$ takes his analysis VERY seriously. I know this report was NOT an intentional ding on Linux. I know some of you have a hard time with real criticism, but that's the truth. I'd take it as more of a challenge to improve upon what Linux is now, and use it as a roadmap.
I'll agree with you on that. Your school DOES suck! Most wired schools provide connections to a campus LAN and/or provide a phone line in the room. Where the hell do you go to school?
Well, apparently, you didn't read what I said. Who invented FireWire? Look how many companies are clamoring to incorporate it into their products. That inlcudes Compaq, Sony, Panasonic, IBM, etc. What's kinda funny is that Dell didn't buy into it early enough and will end up paying more or get left behind. Next, what about Quicktime? Are you saying QT 3.x and 4.0 are "small things?" Try again. It's going to kick the crap out of Real and Windows Media Player. Again, the surge of USB products (while not an Apple invented technology) lies SOLELY with the iMac and Apple. They pushed hard for it and vendors who make USB peripherals are seeing a nice increase in sales. Don't tell me there is no USB market. I won't argue with you about service. Apple needs to get its tushy in gear as far as that's concerned.
I love this argument. I've heard it about 50 times. Yet, since the iMac came out, I have yet to hear of ONE report where the CD-ROm tray actually broke. Give it a rest already.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... they pioneered the direct PC marketing movement. WHat else have they done? Not a lot. After Michael Dell's shares start to sputter during the next few years, let's see how "brilliant" Dell is. Their hardware is generic. Their industrial design sucks. They are an OEM reseller as far as I am concerned and nothing Michael Dell says means anything to me anymore. The day Dell comes up with something REMOTELY ingenius, like Apple seems to do on a regular basis, I might pay more attention to them....
Since when has Apple been accused of "stealing" ideas in the PC industry? Who brought the GUI to the rest of us (don't start with the PARC thing...)? What about the true portable (PowerBook)? SCSI on the desktop? Firewire? USB (let's see when USB actually took off. PCs have had it for 2 years, yet no one gave a sh*t about it until the iMac came along and Apple pushed hard for it). Sure, they've had their fair share of "proprietary technologies," but so what? So has IBM. Now, they INCORPORATE PCI, EIDE disks, etc. I think your premise that "ideas from other markets are worthless" is stupid.
First of all, Linux places NO threat to Intel. Does Intel REALLY care what kind of OS runs on their chips? No. This is just another "initiative" announcement that means nothing. We will never see a "thin" server from this pair. Besides, the cost of ownership doesn't justify it. Maybe if it was about $500, then..... But that'll never happen either.
(Before I go on... Yes, I actually do make a living in the IT industry selling my "expertise" to industry vendors. I keep my identity private for a reason).
Actually, I *DID* read the report, hot shot. And I feel given their methodology, the report was fair and valid. No, they didn't do in-house testing. Why should they? What is to be gained by that? (They also probably cannot afford to buy an AlphaServer, Sun Enterprise server, SGI Origin box, and an RS/6000, but that's another issue...) PC Week and Info World labs do it for everyone to read. I don't believe you will find any kind of "score card summary" from anyone else. And considering the work Mr. Iams has done in the past (which I doubt you have any knowledge of) I consider this to be an excellent feature-for-feature comparison. You can argue till your blue in the face about whether or not you agree. But I simply believe that this is a credible study and report. What it appears to me is that, like many others on here, you can't accept the fact that Linux isn't the be-all-end-all fo OSes. I certainly do not discount it's power. But let's face the facts that it still does NOT compare to AIX and many other Unices that have been developed over the past 30-whatever years. I certainly expect it to be an "enterprise-class" OS in the forseable future, but you sure as hell don't see anyone running a Linux box to handle, say, an HMO's data center. Do you? I'd call that "enterprise class." Now, you criticize DHBA for using industry standard (read: industry *recognized* benchmarks that have been developed over a long period of time...) benchmarks to gauge performance. Well, what do you expect them to do? Spend money and resources they most likely do not have to come up with their won performance benchmarks? I'd like to see _you_ do that. Even if they did, you'd jump on them because they were using something that no one else in the industry recognizes as a standard! (FYI, it usually takes about 3 years of intense debate and testing by a consortium of vendors and programmers to certify a benchmark such a SPECweb96). Also, I don't see why you think this firm is putting down Linux and trying to defend some sort of status quo. The study simply points out what the OS currently lacks and where development efforts need to be focused. They point out the plusses AND minuses of EACH OS. As someone else stated, this study can serve as a form of roadmap for Linux.
Anyway, I am done. Enough time wasted on this topic...
Apparently he didn't. I am amazed at the stupidity by some people basing their ignorant flames on a WSJ article that completely misquoted and/or misunderstood the report. Obviously, this genius shouldn't be IN the position to dictate what services his company purchases since he has no clue what the report says. Gee, that's smart. Base your purchasing decisions on a newspaper article. I doubt DH Brown would want your business anyway....
As someone who works with them, I can tell you for a fact that NO ONE paid for this study. They've been doing them for years. That's one of the reasons you have to PAY for it. Don't start slandering a company you know nothing about. It can get you in trouble. Why don't you do a search for a report the author did comparing AS/400 to NT a couple of years back and you will see there is no funding done by M$.
Read the report before making judgements.
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As I said, read the report before making judgements on it based on an article written by the WSJ. Do you really think they (the WSJ) know about Linux in the deepest technical sense? Ha!
HERE IS WHERE YOU CAN READ THE REPORT, YOU BOZOS!!
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http://www.dhbrown.com/dhbrown/linux.html
Now, instead of making the FUD statements, etc. why don't you take a look for yourself. Several things, from waht I can tell, were taken way out of context in the WSJ article. Go take a look and then talk.
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First, forget the internet. The problems lie in the fact that parent's these days are just too damn lazy and/or stupid to pay attention to their kids. I play Unreal a lot and don't feel like going out and killing people.
The other problems? Well, it would be nice if the education systems in this country concentrated on boosting the self-esteem of kids. It seems everyone is hung up on sports (hey, many kids just aren't athletically talented!) or something else. PAY ATTENTION TO THE DAMN KIDS!!!! Even our president doesn't get it. He's allocated billions of dollars today so that schools can hire armed guards. That's about as effective as building more prisons to fight crime. It ignores the underlying problems!!
Next? The NRA. I don't give ashit what anyone says, this "organization" needs to go. They control the Congress with it's radical agenda. Take a LOOK at gun violence in this country! Open your f**king eyes, people! We have an epidemic! Countries like Japan and England have VERY strict gun laws. You better not be caught with one or you're in deep doo-doo. Most countries (smart ones...) realize that it's citizens do not need to be armed. The Constitution needs to eliminate this antiquated amendment.
And look who's heading up the NRA! That stupid old fool, Charlton Heston. This bozo said if the school had an armed guard, there wouldn't have beem a problem. I would like to have seen his face when he was informed that there were, in fact , two. Great solution, assh*le.
Anyway, my point is that we are going to hell in a handbasket. The rest of the world looks at us in absolute disbelief. Can you blame them? We are an advanced society? yeah.... right. It's the constant sensationalism these cases generate. The ease of gun access. The trash that exists in this country. The lack of understanding and intelligence in the education systems. Etc. The quality is going down and the kids are being taken down with it. No one is adressing the problem of growing anger and conscience-less kids growing up in the US.
God help us all.....
End of rant.....
Why? What the hell do we need another chat progrma for? ICQ, AIM, AOL, IRC....... What's the point? Try finishing this browser that was supposed to appear a while ago instead of more chat software...
4-way is NT's sweet spot. Linux has not yet been tuned to take full advantage of 4 CPUs. On single and dual, Linux will spank an NT box. But higher end configs have yet to be optimized for Linux. Even Linus admits that. (He said so at the AIIM conference last week).
I *meant* to say that 4-way Linux box does not, even under ideal conditions, spank a 4-way NT system. Sorry about that.
Give me a break. They didn't go "out of their way" to make the Linux box look bad. They simply should've made sure to have a well-set up server. Another fact is that NT DOES beat up on Linux in 4-way systems. It's just another thing Linux needs to catch up on.
But give the conspiracy theories a rest already.... And get back to class....
I wonder if everyone's going to kick this company while it's down, just like Apple. Waiting......
Here's to Guy and John for doing an incredible job of carrying the Mac torch for many years. I enjoyed being a member of list. But, yes, our "beleagured" Apple is now KICKING ASS. And, no, Slashdot WILLNOT SURPASS the EvangeList in RC5. You r puny machines just can't keep up..... ;-)
....if he was at one of these conferences and the audience just started laughing hysterically at his blatant stupidity/FUD?
Just imagine....((insert dreamy music here))
Billy: "Linux is unstable, and will never have an impact on the market!"
Audience: BWWAAAAAAAAAAAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! (continues for about 5 minutes)
Billy: "What?? WHAT???" (looking stupid...)
Relax, junior. CAn't take much sarcasm and dark humor, huh? Besides, you obvioulsy missed the part about getting rid of all the trash (i.e. white trash) and placing them in ground zero.
You did make me remember one other point. Wouldn't it be great to see it hit France???????
And, btw, I bike quite a lot and do my fair share of pollution prevention and cleanup.....
Too bad this thing isn't hitting now. Let's hope it smacks SE Asia or India. Too many people and, damn, do they pollute.... Then again, maybe we can line up all the trash in this country and have them wait in that special place! We need something to wipe out half the people on this planet. We're doomed one way or another. A plague or other disaster would do the world a lot of good.
That's probably the DUMBEST reason I have ever heard NOT to buy a particular computer. I feel sorry for those who buy their computer because of the logo on the outside....
For one, it takes a LOT of money for a small company to "got out and test SMP systems themselves." Second, you guys would bitch if you didn't like the results, basically because it appears any criticism of Linux is heresy. Benchmarks like TPC-C and SPECweb96 are established industry benchmarks. They are developed by a consortium of vendors over a period of YEARS. This takes a lot of money and a lot of work.
You want benchmarks? Then why don't you whining babies download some benchmarks toolkits (I believe you can get your hands on the code for SPECweb96, etc.) and have someone maintain a credible depository for these results. Once you guys can demonstrate real world performance, it will be easier to match up against the bigger guns. Then you can brag a little more.
I am sure Tony Iams' panel discussion with Linus is going to be great. Tony is incredibly knowledgeable when it comes to operating systems (believe me, he tests them all extensively over and over again right in his office). I think they still have an AS/400 vs. NT report where he SLAMMED NT's capabilities. Funny thing is, M$ takes his analysis VERY seriously. I know this report was NOT an intentional ding on Linux. I know some of you have a hard time with real criticism, but that's the truth. I'd take it as more of a challenge to improve upon what Linux is now, and use it as a roadmap.
I'll agree with you on that. Your school DOES suck! Most wired schools provide connections to a campus LAN and/or provide a phone line in the room. Where the hell do you go to school?
Yeah, but that thing was the size of a suitcase. I am talking a true portable/laptop. And the debut of the trackball!!
Well, apparently, you didn't read what I said. Who invented FireWire? Look how many companies are clamoring to incorporate it into their products. That inlcudes Compaq, Sony, Panasonic, IBM, etc. What's kinda funny is that Dell didn't buy into it early enough and will end up paying more or get left behind.
Next, what about Quicktime? Are you saying QT 3.x and 4.0 are "small things?" Try again. It's going to kick the crap out of Real and Windows Media Player.
Again, the surge of USB products (while not an Apple invented technology) lies SOLELY with the iMac and Apple. They pushed hard for it and vendors who make USB peripherals are seeing a nice increase in sales. Don't tell me there is no USB market.
I won't argue with you about service. Apple needs to get its tushy in gear as far as that's concerned.
I love this argument. I've heard it about 50 times. Yet, since the iMac came out, I have yet to hear of ONE report where the CD-ROm tray actually broke. Give it a rest already.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... they pioneered the direct PC marketing movement. WHat else have they done? Not a lot. After Michael Dell's shares start to sputter during the next few years, let's see how "brilliant" Dell is. Their hardware is generic. Their industrial design sucks. They are an OEM reseller as far as I am concerned and nothing Michael Dell says means anything to me anymore. The day Dell comes up with something REMOTELY ingenius, like Apple seems to do on a regular basis, I might pay more attention to them....
Since when has Apple been accused of "stealing" ideas in the PC industry? Who brought the GUI to the rest of us (don't start with the PARC thing...)? What about the true portable (PowerBook)? SCSI on the desktop? Firewire? USB (let's see when USB actually took off. PCs have had it for 2 years, yet no one gave a sh*t about it until the iMac came along and Apple pushed hard for it). Sure, they've had their fair share of "proprietary technologies," but so what? So has IBM. Now, they INCORPORATE PCI, EIDE disks, etc. I think your premise that "ideas from other markets are worthless" is stupid.
First of all, Linux places NO threat to Intel. Does Intel REALLY care what kind of OS runs on their chips? No. This is just another "initiative" announcement that means nothing. We will never see a "thin" server from this pair. Besides, the cost of ownership doesn't justify it. Maybe if it was about $500, then..... But that'll never happen either.
(Before I go on... Yes, I actually do make a living in the IT industry
selling my "expertise" to industry vendors. I keep my identity private for
a reason).
Actually, I *DID* read the report, hot shot. And I feel given their
methodology, the report was fair and valid. No, they didn't do in-house
testing. Why should they? What is to be gained by that? (They also probably
cannot afford to buy an AlphaServer, Sun Enterprise server, SGI Origin box,
and an RS/6000, but that's another issue...) PC Week and Info World labs do
it for everyone to read. I don't believe you will find any kind of "score
card summary" from anyone else. And considering the work Mr. Iams has done
in the past (which I doubt you have any knowledge of) I consider this to be
an excellent feature-for-feature comparison. You can argue till your blue
in the face about whether or not you agree. But I simply believe that this
is a credible study and report. What it appears to me is that, like many
others on here, you can't accept the fact that Linux isn't the
be-all-end-all fo OSes. I certainly do not discount it's power. But let's
face the facts that it still does NOT compare to AIX and many other Unices
that have been developed over the past 30-whatever years. I certainly
expect it to be an "enterprise-class" OS in the forseable future, but you
sure as hell don't see anyone running a Linux box to handle, say, an HMO's
data center. Do you? I'd call that "enterprise class."
Now, you criticize DHBA for using industry standard (read: industry
*recognized* benchmarks that have been developed over a long period of
time...) benchmarks to gauge performance. Well, what do you expect them to
do? Spend money and resources they most likely do not have to come up with
their won performance benchmarks? I'd like to see _you_ do that. Even if
they did, you'd jump on them because they were using something that no one
else in the industry recognizes as a standard! (FYI, it usually takes about
3 years of intense debate and testing by a consortium of vendors and
programmers to certify a benchmark such a SPECweb96).
Also, I don't see why you think this firm is putting down Linux and trying
to defend some sort of status quo. The study simply points out what the OS
currently lacks and where development efforts need to be focused. They
point out the plusses AND minuses of EACH OS. As someone else stated, this
study can serve as a form of roadmap for Linux.
Anyway, I am done. Enough time wasted on this topic...
Apparently he didn't. I am amazed at the stupidity by some people basing their ignorant flames on a WSJ article that completely misquoted and/or misunderstood the report. Obviously, this genius shouldn't be IN the position to dictate what services his company purchases since he has no clue what the report says. Gee, that's smart. Base your purchasing decisions on a newspaper article. I doubt DH Brown would want your business anyway....
Well, genius, that IS the point of running a business. Is it not? And that's what they do. Stop trying to make it something it's not.
As someone who works with them, I can tell you for a fact that NO ONE paid for this study. They've been doing them for years. That's one of the reasons you have to PAY for it.
Don't start slandering a company you know nothing about. It can get you in trouble. Why don't you do a search for a report the author did comparing AS/400 to NT a couple of years back and you will see there is no funding done by M$.
As I said, read the report before making judgements on it based on an article written by the WSJ. Do you really think they (the WSJ) know about Linux in the deepest technical sense? Ha!
http://www.dhbrown.com/dhbrown/linux.html
Now, instead of making the FUD statements, etc. why don't you take a look for yourself. Several things, from waht I can tell, were taken way out of context in the WSJ article. Go take a look and then talk.