There is no hypocrisy or irony here, as desperate as some people are to find it.
Forgive me, but with your glowing praise of Senator Hatch, I'm having a little trouble identifying the source of the desperation in this discussion. Would you care to support that point?
From where I am sitting, he made the statement that copyright violation should be met with immediate destructive result without the benefit of due process under law. He said this while being in violation of copyright with regard to software used on his web site. Looks like hypocrisy to me.
Honestly, you people who use the term "frankenfood" have absolutley no clue what you are talking about.
If you have ever eaten corn, or any product based thereon, then you have no clue what you are talking about. Modern corn is so modified by selective breeding that it couldn't even reproduce without our intervention, and most of this process took place before we knew what DNA was.
And that's just assuming you are a vegetarian. Have you ever seen a herd of wild chicken or cows?
Ever since the Agricultural Revolution, pretty much all of our food is frankenfood, regardless of whether or not it comes in an unbleached container.
Where is the outcry from all the conservatives and fellow Republicans about this suggestion?
Well, I certainly am doing a lot of crying out over this, but I haven't been a Republican since before the 2000 election. I also have been moving more toward the left, primarily because of issues such as this. I have also gotten involved in expert witness testimony assisting criminal defense firms in cases such as you describe. The answer to your question is a very great many mistakes.
I guess piracy, although applicable to a 13 year old kid who downloads a Metallica song, is not applicable to the likes of Ken Lay and Richard Scrushy. I would suggest that if the Senator is truly concerned about fighting crime, he start by returning the money bilked from Healthsouth investors.
I have been increasingly concerned about the contingent of Hollywood Democrats
who have sought to cripple, extort, and otherwise destroy the progress of
technology in the name of defending copyright holders from distribution of
their works online. I've found especially disturbing the idea that is is
valid for the government to hold due process hostage in order to force the
technology community to solve the content industry's distribution problems by
developing and implementing technical means to protect their work - by
threatening to allow private organizations to maliciously attack computer
systems alleged to be used to distribute protected works without the legal
benefits accorded under criminal and civil law. This is an especially
outrageous abandonment of the principles on which our government is supposed
to stand.
I thought I could look to the Republican party to serve as a balance against
this senseless legislative paranoia with regard to technology, but it seems
that this is not the case. Although I am not a resident in your state, your
words on this issue have caused me to reconsider ever supporting anyone from
your party for elected office.
If you read his comments in context, the truth of what he said becomes obvious.
Cyberphobia among the old guard, as represented by people in Hatch's generation, has given way to overt, unbridled hatred of technology and its advocates. He views internet users as a group of miscreants who must be taught a lesson and his suggestions of remote computer destruction as a perfectly valid means of holding due process hostage to force us to solve the content industry's problems.
Is this related to Transmeta wanting to distance themselves from Linux until the SCO bull$hit is resolved?
WTF?
What in the hell would Transmeta be afraid of? Getting a letter saying something like this: "We don't like one of your employees, so we are going to sue you for damages."
One of the reasons that American companies sue is because they expect more mileage out of the resultant fear than would ordinarily result from the actual litigation. Let's not throw gasoline on a fire, shall we?
For one thing, at the moment you begin to criticize someone or something, you put them in control, backed by the full authority of the law, of the content of your web site/blog/whatever.
Questions such as sufficient prominence (a reply on slashdot would be required to be modded to the same level as the original post), period of time, etc., would have the effect of making controversial speech too difficult to create and publish. Can you imagine getting a letter from Scientology ordering you to include their 100Gb response to your link to Xenu.net? Suppose the link code they demand you to post is some wildly contorted munge of obscure and proprietary server side code they know you don't (or can't) support.
The wiggle room in such a law is much greater than the wiggle room in voter testing laws which were used to prevent minorities from participating in government in the U.S. If such laws were not wisely shut down in the U.S. (we occaisonally get something right), I am quite certain Microsoft would have used them to shut down Slashdot long before now.
Maybe, just maybe - Europe's onto a good thing, actually.
Or the rule is intended simply to make life difficult enough to restore the operational ceiling of free speech to those with the means to publish information in conventional forms. Sort of like requiring a test before voting. On paper a good idea, but in practice a means of controlling participation.
Well, actually, I recently decided not to purchase a hybrid vehicle, because I was unable to find one that didn't look like a suppository. The Insight came close, but the rear wheel covers are clearly intended to advertise liberal coolness to all my liberal friends.
I have no liberal coolness, and my liberal friends wouldn't give a shit about wheel covers. It must makes the car look like an abandoned Logan's Run prop. Bottom line - if you want me to buy a hybrid, it needs to look like a car.
On the other hand, if SCO loses, it will send a strong message to the world: "Stay away from anything GPL, or you'll find your proprietary code taken away from you."
Nice FUD bombing. I'm working on a research project to uncover Microsoft's professional forum poster program, and I'll definately keep an eye on you from now on. First of all, as other posters have commented, you are assuming SCO is right in their allegations, and that a negative outcome (for them) would come about in spite of that (assumed) fact. Second of all, I thought the whole point of the GPL was to keep it out of the hands of those with proprietary code.
I'm a lot more interested in users of code being free to download and use it rather than an outfit like Microsoft internally adopting the GPL.
It's files are based on XML and doesn't really get annoying like PPT. With PowerPoint, you don't get much satisfaction. It's like fucking for the sole reason of concieving. With Keynote it's more like fucking for pleasure and getting results at the same time.
Goddammit - see what I mean?! That is what I call marketing. I want keynote now after reading that, and he didn't use one power point slide. All he used was one well placed simile. (That's right, kids, a figure of SPEECH).
Although it would have made a pretty funny slide--
"Ok, as you can see, this rabbit is fucking for pleasure."
Overseas outsourcing of the creation of power point presentations.
You know, I've always been disgusted that modern business people are incapable of conceptualizing thought without resorting to power point slides, but this piece of knowledge just places me on a whole new plateau of disdain and revulsion toward basically every human being in this country who wears a suit.
I guess it must be the combination of absurd dependence on power point to think and communicate combined with the sheer soul-whithering miserliness to actually outsource the development of slideshows to overseas labor.
Retrain and relocate and you will never suffer unemployment for long.
Well, I have something like 10 years of experience in systems integration, network management, design, and various security disciplines related thereto. I also have a wife and three kids. Do you really think I can get up to speed in foodservice fast enough to make, say, half of what I was making in 1998?
Lucky for you I don't necessarily have to worry, as I have a job making more than I made in 1998, which makes you as presumptive as you are insensitive. I wasn't whining. Most of my friends lost their jobs and not all of them have new ones yet. This is reality. To expect someone to take a 10K/year part time starter job in heavy equipment when they have 50K/year in obligations and years invested in their IT skillset is arrogant in the extreme.
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There is no hypocrisy or irony here, as desperate as some people are to find it.
Forgive me, but with your glowing praise of Senator Hatch, I'm having a little trouble identifying the source of the desperation in this discussion. Would you care to support that point?
From where I am sitting, he made the statement that copyright violation should be met with immediate destructive result without the benefit of due process under law. He said this while being in violation of copyright with regard to software used on his web site. Looks like hypocrisy to me.
Whats the next glorious "light"-idea? Castrated husbands?
Don't give them any ideas.
Honestly, you people who use the term "frankenfood" have absolutley no clue what you are talking about.
If you have ever eaten corn, or any product based thereon, then you have no clue what you are talking about. Modern corn is so modified by selective breeding that it couldn't even reproduce without our intervention, and most of this process took place before we knew what DNA was.
And that's just assuming you are a vegetarian. Have you ever seen a herd of wild chicken or cows?
Ever since the Agricultural Revolution, pretty much all of our food is frankenfood, regardless of whether or not it comes in an unbleached container.
Can someone please explain to me how it is possible to mod comments redundant that concern themselves with the redundancy of the topic?
There have been whole threads in this topic bitchslapped redundant.
Shaven Yak? here? In Birmingham (which is here to me as well)? Coincidence? I think not.
Where is the outcry from all the conservatives and fellow Republicans about this suggestion?
Well, I certainly am doing a lot of crying out over this, but I haven't been a Republican since before the 2000 election. I also have been moving more toward the left, primarily because of issues such as this. I have also gotten involved in expert witness testimony assisting criminal defense firms in cases such as you describe. The answer to your question is a very great many mistakes.
Do I count?
Wow. Your sarcasm was so aerodynamic that its passing completely evaded the attention of at least three respondents. Nice work.
Will someone please investigation campaign contributions made to Orrin?
investigation complete.
1. HealthSouth Corp $38,255
As in this Healthsouth?
I guess piracy, although applicable to a 13 year old kid who downloads a Metallica song, is not applicable to the likes of Ken Lay and Richard Scrushy. I would suggest that if the Senator is truly concerned about fighting crime, he start by returning the money bilked from Healthsouth investors.
I have been increasingly concerned about the contingent of Hollywood Democrats who have sought to cripple, extort, and otherwise destroy the progress of technology in the name of defending copyright holders from distribution of their works online. I've found especially disturbing the idea that is is valid for the government to hold due process hostage in order to force the technology community to solve the content industry's distribution problems by developing and implementing technical means to protect their work - by threatening to allow private organizations to maliciously attack computer systems alleged to be used to distribute protected works without the legal benefits accorded under criminal and civil law. This is an especially outrageous abandonment of the principles on which our government is supposed to stand.
I thought I could look to the Republican party to serve as a balance against this senseless legislative paranoia with regard to technology, but it seems that this is not the case. Although I am not a resident in your state, your words on this issue have caused me to reconsider ever supporting anyone from your party for elected office.
send your comments to: senator@hatch.senate.gov
If you read his comments in context, the truth of what he said becomes obvious.
Cyberphobia among the old guard, as represented by people in Hatch's generation, has given way to overt, unbridled hatred of technology and its advocates. He views internet users as a group of miscreants who must be taught a lesson and his suggestions of remote computer destruction as a perfectly valid means of holding due process hostage to force us to solve the content industry's problems.
I am aghast.
Is this related to Transmeta wanting to distance themselves from Linux until the SCO bull$hit is resolved?
WTF?
What in the hell would Transmeta be afraid of? Getting a letter saying something like this: "We don't like one of your employees, so we are going to sue you for damages."
One of the reasons that American companies sue is because they expect more mileage out of the resultant fear than would ordinarily result from the actual litigation. Let's not throw gasoline on a fire, shall we?
A troll recently advised me to get a real job - Like Linus.
Is it just me, or is that the stupidest comment ever on slashdot?
It is chilling for a variety of reasons.
For one thing, at the moment you begin to criticize someone or something, you put them in control, backed by the full authority of the law, of the content of your web site/blog/whatever.
Questions such as sufficient prominence (a reply on slashdot would be required to be modded to the same level as the original post), period of time, etc., would have the effect of making controversial speech too difficult to create and publish. Can you imagine getting a letter from Scientology ordering you to include their 100Gb response to your link to Xenu.net? Suppose the link code they demand you to post is some wildly contorted munge of obscure and proprietary server side code they know you don't (or can't) support.
The wiggle room in such a law is much greater than the wiggle room in voter testing laws which were used to prevent minorities from participating in government in the U.S. If such laws were not wisely shut down in the U.S. (we occaisonally get something right), I am quite certain Microsoft would have used them to shut down Slashdot long before now.
Maybe, just maybe - Europe's onto a good thing, actually.
Or the rule is intended simply to make life difficult enough to restore the operational ceiling of free speech to those with the means to publish information in conventional forms. Sort of like requiring a test before voting. On paper a good idea, but in practice a means of controlling participation.
Well, actually, I recently decided not to purchase a hybrid vehicle, because I was unable to find one that didn't look like a suppository. The Insight came close, but the rear wheel covers are clearly intended to advertise liberal coolness to all my liberal friends.
I have no liberal coolness, and my liberal friends wouldn't give a shit about wheel covers. It must makes the car look like an abandoned Logan's Run prop. Bottom line - if you want me to buy a hybrid, it needs to look like a car.
On the other hand, if SCO loses, it will send a strong message to the world: "Stay away from anything GPL, or you'll find your proprietary code taken away from you."
Nice FUD bombing. I'm working on a research project to uncover Microsoft's professional forum poster program, and I'll definately keep an eye on you from now on. First of all, as other posters have commented, you are assuming SCO is right in their allegations, and that a negative outcome (for them) would come about in spite of that (assumed) fact. Second of all, I thought the whole point of the GPL was to keep it out of the hands of those with proprietary code.
I'm a lot more interested in users of code being free to download and use it rather than an outfit like Microsoft internally adopting the GPL.
It's files are based on XML and doesn't really get annoying like PPT. With PowerPoint, you don't get much satisfaction. It's like fucking for the sole reason of concieving. With Keynote it's more like fucking for pleasure and getting results at the same time.
Goddammit - see what I mean?! That is what I call marketing. I want keynote now after reading that, and he didn't use one power point slide. All he used was one well placed simile. (That's right, kids, a figure of SPEECH).
Although it would have made a pretty funny slide--
"Ok, as you can see, this rabbit is fucking for pleasure."
Overseas outsourcing of the creation of power point presentations.
You know, I've always been disgusted that modern business people are incapable of conceptualizing thought without resorting to power point slides, but this piece of knowledge just places me on a whole new plateau of disdain and revulsion toward basically every human being in this country who wears a suit.
I guess it must be the combination of absurd dependence on power point to think and communicate combined with the sheer soul-whithering miserliness to actually outsource the development of slideshows to overseas labor.
It fills me with an urge to defile a golf course.
You could build 50 of them for the cost of only one F-15!
Six million. Yeah. I'm excited.
He just didn't want to pay you. Experience counts for something, and this hirer wanted something for nothing.
The skulls also demonstrate evidence of ritual burial.
They must have been going for chivalry. Knights kick ass.
Retrain and relocate and you will never suffer unemployment for long.
Well, I have something like 10 years of experience in systems integration, network management, design, and various security disciplines related thereto. I also have a wife and three kids. Do you really think I can get up to speed in foodservice fast enough to make, say, half of what I was making in 1998?
Lucky for you I don't necessarily have to worry, as I have a job making more than I made in 1998, which makes you as presumptive as you are insensitive. I wasn't whining. Most of my friends lost their jobs and not all of them have new ones yet. This is reality. To expect someone to take a 10K/year part time starter job in heavy equipment when they have 50K/year in obligations and years invested in their IT skillset is arrogant in the extreme.
You've cracked the code. It isn't the type of system that gets you. It's the size.